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mikesilvia
12-08-2010, 09:53 PM
Ouch (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2010/12/08/os-outfielder-luke-scott/)!

The funny part is this is pretty accurate!

”If someone accuses me of not being born here, I can go — within 10 minutes — to my filing cabinet and I can pick up my real birth certificate and I can go, ‘See? Look! Here it is. Here it is.’ The man has dodged everything. He dodges questions, he doesn’t answer anything. And why? Because he’s hiding something.”

habsheaven
12-08-2010, 10:07 PM
It's complete BS!! Obama has provided LEGAL documentation from the state of Hawaii proving his birthplace. This just shows, it doesn't matter what line of work someone is in, there are idiots everywhere.

andrewhoya
12-08-2010, 10:09 PM
Heh, that's pretty brave of him to say. I'm guessing he voted McCain...

gatorboymike
12-08-2010, 10:28 PM
Are we still talking about this? Give me a break. Somebody's grasping at straws, and I'm not just talking about baseball players. But you know, the man must have a keen grasp of politics, being somebody who gets all sweaty swinging sticks at balls for a living. Surely some professional athlete's "belief" is real news, and something every senator and congressperson should drop what they're doing and organize a thorough and meticulous investigation into. And you know what, maybe Luke "believes" that the higher offices of the IRS have been compromised by spies from Zimbabwe. Let's all investigate that too, until he's satisfied.

duwal
12-08-2010, 10:54 PM
really??? people are going to listen to what baseball players have to say?? I bet he also believes Barry Bonds unknowingly was taking steroids :)

I didn't vote for Obama but hearing people like this try and make delusional sense for my side is pretty sad He talks about 50-80 years ago, come on now. No one can gives examples like that as fact unless they actually experienced it themselves at that particular time.

11chaos
12-08-2010, 11:11 PM
It's complete BS!! Obama has provided LEGAL documentation from the state of Hawaii proving his birthplace. This just shows, it doesn't matter what line of work someone is in, there are idiots everywhere.

Aren't you a Canadian

duwal
12-08-2010, 11:43 PM
Aren't you a Canadian


for shame!! Non-Americans knowing more about U.S. politics than a great percentage of Americans!! Blasphemy

11chaos
12-09-2010, 12:16 AM
for shame!! Non-Americans knowing more about U.S. politics than a great percentage of Americans!! Blasphemy

not what I meant. I was just saying it seems like habsheaven always has something to say about the lower portion of North America and none of it seems to be positive. and I got nothing but Love for my North American relatives.

and you know this to be true, politicians are evil

TheGrapher
12-09-2010, 02:05 AM
Who the hell is Luke Scott to say? Sounds like another bitter teabagger.

SingleDaddyof2
12-09-2010, 02:54 AM
Someone says/believes something bad about the president? ZZZZZZZ......

INTIMADATOR2007
12-09-2010, 07:39 AM
Well he does have a point .....Quit dogging the questions and show the real paper work . Although we don't expect the Illegels to so why should he have to .

habsheaven
12-09-2010, 08:03 AM
not what I meant. I was just saying it seems like habsheaven always has something to say about the lower portion of North America and none of it seems to be positive. and I got nothing but Love for my North American relatives.

and you know this to be true, politicians are evil

I have tons of positive things to say about the US, unfortunately this messageboard is full of threads from members bashing Obama with nonsense. I am sorry if you see my defence of him as a negative. I still don't see what MY citizenship has to do with it though.

mikesilvia
12-09-2010, 08:24 AM
for shame!! Non-Americans knowing more about U.S. politics than a great percentage of Americans!! Blasphemy

Unfortunately, you are correct.

In most places voters are simply not informed and vote for people because their neighbor has a yard sign or for the person that promises them free stuff. Or people simply vote the party line.

I do find it funny that people are slamming Luke Scott with slurs because he is a professional athlete. Doesn't he have a right to an opinion? Also, why do people on the left find Tea Party activists so offensive?

gatorboymike
12-09-2010, 02:06 PM
I do find it funny that people are slamming Luke Scott with slurs because he is a professional athlete. Doesn't he have a right to an opinion? Also, why do people on the left find Tea Party activists so offensive?

"There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity."
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

sanfran22
12-17-2010, 12:26 PM
"There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity."
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
This is a perfect quote for all those on the left.

duane1969
12-17-2010, 01:31 PM
This is a perfect quote for all those on the left.

Beat me to it. Virtually everyone who vents and rages on this board is from the left and often their position is uninformed.

As for Obama's BC, has an actual physical version of it been presented? I know that there are images of it all over the place but I have Photoshop too so I am not impressed. I have looked and looked but can't find any documentation of him actually presenting a notarized state issued BC. I have seen a BC from Kenya and a non-notarized copy of a BC that is supposed to be from Hawaii but that is as good as I have found.

gatorboymike
12-17-2010, 02:39 PM
You expect him to come to your home personally and show it to you? Why should he? Especially when even if he did, you'd still just say "Nuh-uh! I still don't believe you were born in America!" Ever consider that the reason he doesn't try to satisfy YOU is because YOU and your opinion don't matter to him, or the operation of the federal government in any part, in any way?

Do you think he would even have made it to the candidate stage if he hadn't produced this document for the people who needed to see it, and they hadn't been convinced of its authenticity? And with the dust cloud you people have been kicking up for the past three years, do you think it hasn't been double- and triple-checked by those people's superiors and their superiors' superiors? I think it reveals a shocking lack of confidence in the country you claim to love, if you think there are no measures whatsoever in place to keep foreign nationals from assuming high office. If you really believe the political system in this country is so hopelessly and thoroughly flawed, why are you so enthusiastically participating in it? To hear you talk, you'd think Kim Jong Il himself could be elected president, and no one would think twice about it until two years into his presidency.

If you don't like Obama's policies, that's perfectly understandable. I'm not on board with many of them myself. If you don't like his personality, that's also perfectly understandable. Both of those are perfectly legitimate reasons not to like a politician. But that's not what this birth certificate thing is all about, and we all know it. Why you would focus on this manufactured, illegitimate grievance when there are plenty of legitimate gripes with Obama's politics confuses me.

duane1969
12-17-2010, 05:40 PM
You expect him to come to your home personally and show it to you?

Is that what I said? Thanks for once again taking an innocuous statement and turning it into some extreme accusation that has absolutely no basis or foundation whatsoever and then going over the top retaliating against a statement that I didn't even make.

Why is it that you are always accusing someone of saying something that they didn't say and then attacking them for it?

duwal
12-18-2010, 12:24 AM
This is a perfect quote for all those on the left.


like we haven't had the same amount of examples on our side??

limitedplay50
12-18-2010, 12:26 AM
Hawaii gives anyone and everyone a birth certificate. They are not considered legal in any other state and recognized by the federal gov't.
Second, I agree whats the problem, just show us your true and legal binding certificate?
Well, by not showing it people will complain and sound like conspiracy NUTS so it may all be by design.

DunkingDurant35
12-18-2010, 01:30 AM
Hawaii gives anyone and everyone a birth certificate. They are not considered legal in any other state and recognized by the federal gov't.

I am not a fan of Obama (I voted for Bob Barr), but this is just over-the-top - you realize you are accusing millions of other Hawaiians other than Obama that their birth certificates aren't legal, right? There are millions of people who are born and live in Hawaii, and they are considered as much a part of the United States by the government as anyone else from the 48 contiguous states. If you still believe otherwise, provide a credible source, like a United States government link, that provides irrefutable evidence of your claim.

limitedplay50
12-18-2010, 01:33 AM
I am not a fan of Obama (I voted for Bob Barr), but this is just over-the-top - you realize you are accusing millions of other Hawaiians other than Obama that their birth certificates aren't legal, right? There are millions of people who are born and live in Hawaii, and they are considered as much a part of the United States by the government as anyone else from the 48 contiguous states. If you still believe otherwise, provide a credible source, like a United States government link, that provides irrefutable evidence of your claim.


Ummm no thats not what Im saying. You can go to the state of Hawaii at the age of 60 and request a birth certificate and they will give you one even if born in lets say Kenya or Canada. They are not valid. When you are legally born their you get a legal UNITED STATES BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

DunkingDurant35
12-18-2010, 01:41 AM
Provide evidence of your claim, please. I think you're just making up things.

DunkingDurant35
12-18-2010, 02:39 AM
I've been checking the federal government's web site to see if there's anything declaring that some Hawaiian birth certificates "are not considered legal in any other state and recognized by the federal gov't," that anyone born in any country outside of the United States can get them without restriction, or that they aren't valid. So far, the search has yielded nothing. This is the federal government's official web site:

http://www.usa.gov/

On the right side bar titled "popular topics," there is a link to 'Vital Documents' where birth certificate information can be found:

http://www.usa.gov/Citizen/Topics/Family_Issues/Vital_Docs.shtml

The link to birth certificates is given there as:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w.htm

All 50 of the states are listed. Hawaii's link:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/hawaii.htm

Still nothing saying that some of the Hawaiian birth certificates aren't valid, aren't recognized by the federal government, or that anyone from any country can get them at any time.

Again, if you're able to find something on an actual .gov web site that I have missed, then by all means post it, but so far, it looks like Hawaiian birth certificates are considered valid and are recognized by the federal government as much as any other state. Moreover, I see nothing that indicates people who weren't born there can get them in an invalid manner.

We also must consider the federal government itself - they certainly would have the means to look into this if people could obtain illegal, invalid Hawaiian birth certificates with ease.

duwal
12-18-2010, 02:46 AM
Ummm no thats not what Im saying. You can go to the state of Hawaii at the age of 60 and request a birth certificate and they will give you one even if born in lets say Kenya or Canada. They are not valid. When you are legally born their you get a legal UNITED STATES BIRTH CERTIFICATE.


hahaa, wow, someone is talking out of their ™™™!!

theonedru
12-18-2010, 09:18 AM
This is a perfect quote for all those on the left.

Just as befitting those on the right as well since there is no real distinction between the two these days

sanfran22
12-21-2010, 02:29 PM
Just as befitting those on the right as well since there is no real distinction between the two these days
I'm gonna have to disagree here, as usual.......There is a HUGE distinction between the right and the left.

Ryno23
12-21-2010, 05:49 PM
i just love reading these threads each day, this is where i get my kicks, all the left wing pinkies are always so defensive lol its hilarious! and im sure one of them will reply to this post and go on a rant about how they arent lol

Hairylemon
12-22-2010, 06:09 AM
I get a kick out of all you righties being scared of the word Social.

duane1969
12-22-2010, 01:42 PM
I get a kick out of all you righties being scared of the word Social.

I think you mean Socialism. Big difference. I can be social without being a Socialist.

And we are not afraid of Socialism. It's just that here in America we tend to not drink the Kool-Aid, stare into the bright light and do what the governement tells us to just because they say so. It's that whole crazy American independent-thinking thing. We know you Europeans hate it but we don't really care.

duwal
12-22-2010, 02:34 PM
i just love reading these threads each day, this is where i get my kicks, all the left wing pinkies are always so defensive lol its hilarious! and im sure one of them will reply to this post and go on a rant about how they arent lol


haha, come on man, like we aren't the same way. You see how many Repubs get defensive on here too? Especially when people bring up Bush? The problem is more people like yourself are more devoted to which party they blindly support with over which person has the best ideas

gatorboymike
12-22-2010, 09:02 PM
And we are not afraid of Socialism. It's just that here in America we tend to not drink the Kool-Aid, stare into the bright light and do what the governement tells us to just because they say so. It's that whole crazy American independent-thinking thing. We know you Europeans hate it but we don't really care.

You don't drink the government's Kool-Aid unless Republicans control the government, you mean. Let's not forget that when He Who Must Not Be Named was in office, cons were proclaiming that questioning the federal government was treachery and terrorism and should be punished by imprisonment, extradition or execution. But you know, I haven't heard that since January before last. How unusual. And while we're on the topic of Kool-Aid, you drink the church's Kool-Aid all the time.

I'm afraid of fascism. I'm afraid of theocracy. No real American will abide this. We want separation of church and state, not subsumation by church of state.

duane1969
12-22-2010, 11:09 PM
You don't drink the government's Kool-Aid unless Republicans control the government, you mean. Let's not forget that when He Who Must Not Be Named was in office, cons were proclaiming that questioning the federal government was treachery and terrorism and should be punished by imprisonment, extradition or execution. But you know, I haven't heard that since January before last. How unusual. And while we're on the topic of Kool-Aid, you drink the church's Kool-Aid all the time.

I'm afraid of fascism. I'm afraid of theocracy. No real American will abide this. We want separation of church and state, not subsumation by church of state.

I have no idea where you get that I drink any church's kool-aid. What church do I attend?

gatorboymike
12-23-2010, 03:34 AM
I have no idea where you get that I drink any church's kool-aid. What church do I attend?

Because you so proudly proclaim your "God-fearing-ness" and you want to institute a theocracy, that's where. And I have no idea what church you attend, being a lowly mortal as I am. But if I had to guess, I'd say either Southern Baptist or Pentecostal.

duane1969
12-23-2010, 07:24 AM
LOL. Just because I post some icon that I found on the internet does not automatically qualify me as a Bible-thumper. But thanks for generalizing (and for letting me know that you are so bothered by such a small thing). I am just logical enough to not entirely discount the beliefs of others simply because I have an infectious hate for religion that is so overwhelming that it blurs my vision of reality and reduces my capacity to treat others with an opinion that differs from mine with any measure of decency.

For the record, I am agnostic.

pghin08
12-23-2010, 10:07 AM
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg

duane1969
12-23-2010, 12:37 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg

Saw that one. It has already been seriously questioned because it lacks the registrar's seal and the seal of the state of Hawaii.

Here is an image of an authentic Hawaii birth certificate. Notice the state seal stamped in the lower middle and the registrar stamp along the bottom left. Also notice that the border is black all the way around and in the Obama version it is not.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_orkXxp0bhEA/SGeRIwgtZ2I/AAAAAAAAHGI/RLkO1Ohs2qg/s400/birth-certificate-real-hawaii.jpg

DunkingDurant35
12-24-2010, 12:42 AM
For the record, I am agnostic.

What! According to popular stereotype, all cons must be religious fanatics who want to institute theocracies! :sign0020:

Seriously, though, I'm all for people who go against the grain on either side - it's all too easy to fall into the trap of proclaiming Democrats as Socialists and Republicans as Theocrats, and so I see it too often. People have all kinds of reasons for affiliating with the parties they do whether people like it or want to acknowledge it or not, and they aren't as simplistic as each side would like to believe for the ease of their own convictions.

gatorboymike
12-24-2010, 04:48 AM
One can rarely afford to offer decency to the enemy. Especially to an enemy who offers no decency in return.

duane1969
12-24-2010, 12:16 PM
One can rarely afford to offer decency to the enemy. Especially to an enemy who offers no decency in return.

And when both sides apply that thick-headed mentality then no decency is ever achieved.

To quote Max Dupree, we can not become who we need to be by remaining what we are.

andrewhoya
12-28-2010, 09:45 PM
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20101228/US.Obama.Birth.Certificate/?cid=NET_SZHeadlineRSSLinks&attr=article_news_general_US.Obama.Birth.Certifica te

sanfran22
12-28-2010, 09:52 PM
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20101228/US.Obama.Birth.Certificate/?cid=NET_SZHeadlineRSSLinks&attr=article_news_general_US.Obama.Birth.Certifica te
Hahahaha, well the american public does kinda have a "tangible interest"lol.

andrewhoya
12-28-2010, 10:05 PM
Hahahaha, well the american public does kinda have a "tangible interest"lol.

That's what I thought when I read the article haha.

limitedplay50
01-24-2011, 06:15 AM
hahaa, wow, someone is talking out of their ™™™!!



It took awhile but heres the proof off the states own website. Its the qualifications for being being issued a Birth Certificate from Hawaii


[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child. (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

duane1969
01-24-2011, 11:04 AM
It took awhile but heres the proof off the states own website. Its the qualifications for being being issued a Birth Certificate from Hawaii


[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child. (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

So if I am reading correctly, as long as you lived in Hawaii for at least one year prior to the birth/adoption, even if the child is born outside of the U.S. or state of Hawaii, Hawaii will still issue a birth certificate.

Interesting side note, a privacy law blocks the Hawaiian governor from releasing Obama's birth certificate. However, Obama can sign a release form and make his birth certificate public and end all argument. I wonder why he doesn't just do that? Does he have something to hide?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate