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duane1969
03-09-2011, 02:54 PM
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Sky News Wednesday that a no-fly zone over Libya cannot be a U.S.-led effort, and would need the backing of the international community.

"I think it's very important that this not be a U.S.-led effort, because this comes from the people of Libya themselves," she told Sky News.

"This doesn't come from the outside. This doesn't come from some Western power or some Gulf country saying this is what you should do, this is how you should live."



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/09/pentagon-gates-ruled-fly-zone-libya/

I couldn't agree more. If the international community wants something done in Libya then the international community needs to do it. This crap of everyone else standing around with their hands in their pockets while the U.S. does the job and then criticizing the U.S. if it doesn't go correctly is getting old.

I still wish Hillary had gotten the Democratic nomonation...

tutall
03-09-2011, 10:57 PM
Couldnt agree more with you. Time for someone else to step up if they want this done...Honestly though wish we would stay out of it PERIOD.... Nothing good can really come from doing any work at all inside Libya IMO

limitedplay50
03-09-2011, 11:23 PM
I don't see why we have to do anything at all with it. Its EUropes problem, let them handle the millions of refugees when they come flooding into Europe. We have millions of illegals coming here and I don't see Europe saying ANYTHING about it.
If we can take 30 million illegals they can to.

Hairylemon
03-12-2011, 02:24 PM
I don't see why we have to do anything at all with it. Its EUropes problem, let them handle the millions of refugees when they come flooding into Europe. We have millions of illegals coming here and I don't see Europe saying ANYTHING about it.
If we can take 30 million illegals they can to.

Europe takes plenty of refugees, look it up. I would have thought it's Africas problem not Europes. Why does America have anything to do with it? One word, Oil.

duane1969
03-12-2011, 02:40 PM
Yes and Europe doesn't use any oil, right? :rolleyes:

Actually if you do some reading you will find that most US politicians support staying out of it and so far we have. If we get involved it is because the rest of the members of the UN lack the spine to perform any military action on their own, as usual.

Also, getting involved for oil would be kind of silly seeing as Libya only produces about 2.5% of the world's oil. However, they are where Europe gets much of it's oil. Perhaps the UN push for the US to get involved is because of Europe's own thirst for oil.

OnePimpTiger
03-12-2011, 04:47 PM
The days of "It's Europe's problem" or "It's Africa's problem" are over. 50-100 years ago, that may have been so, but today, it's a global economy, global community, and a global problem...and there should be a global solution.

duane1969
03-13-2011, 05:29 PM
The days of "It's Europe's problem" or "It's Africa's problem" are over. 50-100 years ago, that may have been so, but today, it's a global economy, global community, and a global problem...and there should be a global solution.

Unfortunately the global community doesn't get involved. The global community sits idly by, complaining about the situation but doing nothing about it because they are either too scared or too impotent to, waiting for the U.S. to get involved, and then when we do people like hairylemon and habs are the first to start crying because the U.S. doesn't mind it's own business.

Personally I think we need to stay out of it, period. No matter what happens, we stay home. If this turns into an outright massacre, it isn't our problem.

theonedru
03-14-2011, 02:58 AM
Many times its America sticking their nose in things and causing these problems. How many dictators has the USA put into place and how many death have those dictators caused? America has alot of wrongs that need righted and they need to figure the best way to do this,turning a blinds eye and ignoring this is not the way. They can supply the rebels with medical aid, maybe food fresh water. freeze these warlords/ dictators/ect. assets show the world the America has compassion and doesnt need to resort to handing out guns/drugs/or invading countries and destroying whatever.

sanfran22
03-14-2011, 06:10 PM
Unfortunately the global community doesn't get involved. The global community sits idly by, complaining about the situation but doing nothing about it because they are either too scared or too impotent to, waiting for the U.S. to get involved, and then when we do people like hairylemon and habs are the first to start crying because the U.S. doesn't mind it's own business.

Personally I think we need to stay out of it, period. No matter what happens, we stay home. If this turns into an outright massacre, it isn't our problem.
It appears you forgot to add one more name to this list reading the above post....:smash:

duane1969
03-14-2011, 06:30 PM
Many times its America sticking their nose in things and causing these problems. How many dictators has the USA put into place and how many death have those dictators caused? America has alot of wrongs that need righted and they need to figure the best way to do this,turning a blinds eye and ignoring this is not the way. They can supply the rebels with medical aid, maybe food fresh water. freeze these warlords/ dictators/ect. assets show the world the America has compassion and doesnt need to resort to handing out guns/drugs/or invading countries and destroying whatever.

Contributing to the rebel effort with humanitarian aid is contributing to deaths too. They are out-manned and out-gunned. Giving them food and medicine only further promotes a one-sided war. The rebels cannot defeat tanks and air strikes with AK-47s and the occasional RPG. If the rebels are going to win it will be with the assistance of a superior military force, not because of bandages and fresh water.

Compasion is also about not prolonging the death of the doomed.

razzamaztaz
03-19-2011, 10:52 AM
limitedplay: wow, that's some ignorance. 30 million, how much is that of the total population, 10%? And most of those are illegal right, it's not like USA are known for accepting refugees from all over the world. Sweden got 1.7 million immigrants, that's 18% of the population (we're total 9). And that's the legals, I have no idea how many illegals there are. Read up some before speaking.

Libya: First, everything is global today as some others say above. It's just plain ignorance thiking otherwise, it's a more global world then ever, oil, resources, China etc.

Second, it's not only the Oil, USA has for decades hated Khadaffi ever since Reagan called him a "mad dog". He's just a nail in the eye for them. So I'm pretty sure (some parts of) USA would love to get this oppurtunity, at last.

But I'm just amazed at all this, how quick it is going without even an excuse of going in. Cause "saving the rebels" is not an excuse. I don't mind if UN would act as a world police and help countries get rid of dictators, but they don't. They're not consequent at all.

40 peaceful demonstraters were killed yesterday in Jemen by snipers. But Jemen is an ally so who cares. Bahrain keeps killing and harrasssing the demonstrants. But Bahrain is also an ally so who cares. The Ivory Coats - 400 dead since the election, but that's deeper into Africa and we so certainly don't care. Not to mention really bad non-democrazies like Iran, Burma and so forth. For various reasons we don't care there either, Iran is way too difficult to tackle and Burma got Chinas support. It's such hypocrizy it stinks worse then my neighbors dog . I'm really really upset about it, on behalf of all the countries with supressed people who needs desperate help but never gets it.

Also, when the world finally decides to attack an arab non-democracy - a llousy choice. if I were forced to pick one arab non-democrazy country to live in, I probably would pick Libya. Free hospitalcare, free school, free elderly pensions, free workinjury insurance, free dentists, and as a woman I'm allowed to educate myself, work and don't have to go in burqa. Seriously, of all the bad arab countries, this is the worst? Even Saudi is worse.

To add a further questionmark - Khadaffi imo is pretty barking insane, but he's somewhat right in one thing, Islamist fanatics have since long tried to get a real foothold in Libya but he has managed to hold them off. So it actually is true, and wouldn't surprise me, if Al-qaida is involved in this, and if UN/US removes Khadaffi it sure wouldn't surprise me if Libya eventually turns into another Islamist extreme country.