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OnePimpTiger
05-14-2011, 10:06 AM
Obama to announce steps to speed oil drilling (http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/14/obama.weekly.address/)


With gas topping $4 a gallon, President Barack Obama on Saturday will announce new plans to speed up domestic drilling for oil.

In his weekly address to the nation, the president will outline his plans for what he calls "safe and responsible" oil production.

The Obama administration will speed up the leasing process for the Alaska National Petroleum Reserve, give oil companies better financial incentives to use their leases and extend all drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico so oil companies have more time to implement safety measures after the devastating BP oil spill.

He will also fast-forward the testing of areas off the east coast of the United States to see what oil resources are there and if it would be safe and commercially viable to drill.

The announcements come as the Republican-controlled House of Representatives recently passed several bills to open up drilling off the coasts of the United States.

Good move, but it's just playing politics. Isn't ironic that Obama was for reducing off-shore drilling while Congress was Democrat-controlled? Didn't take long to change that tune...hypocrite much? Maybe he has become enlightened and seen the error of his ways...I would love to hope so. But when does that ever happen in Washington?

theonedru
05-14-2011, 11:41 AM
Like this will solve anything, its just more oil to produce more gasoline that will sell for the same ridiculously high price. Just another useless move by a useless politician who is in the pocket of the oil companies. Alternate fuel technology is the way to go any anyone with half a brain knows this but gasoline is like heroin and America is addicted.

OnePimpTiger
05-14-2011, 12:08 PM
Like this will solve anything, its just more oil to produce more gasoline that will sell for the same ridiculously high price. Just another useless move by a useless politician who is in the pocket of the oil companies. Alternate fuel technology is the way to go any anyone with half a brain knows this but gasoline is like heroin and America is addicted.

So you've stopped using gasoline and oil products I take it? Relying solely on alternative energy sources?

theonedru
05-14-2011, 12:22 PM
So you've stopped using gasoline and oil products I take it? Relying solely on alternative energy sources?

Me and the wife have done alot to reduce our needs on wasting non renewable resources, we live in Seattle so a vehicle is a little redundant to own in a big city so we gave our up years ago and rely on public transit, when we do feel the need for a vehicle we can rent an electric or a hybrid car or some eco friendly vehicle.

INTIMADATOR2007
05-14-2011, 02:59 PM
From the look of the grillin the Oil company ceo's got from congress thursday the oil companies will not be getting any "better financial incentives", for a while . However it was the ceos that made congress look like fools ....Again !

sanfran22
05-14-2011, 05:55 PM
Like this will solve anything, its just more oil to produce more gasoline that will sell for the same ridiculously high price. Just another useless move by a useless politician who is in the pocket of the oil companies. Alternate fuel technology is the way to go any anyone with half a brain knows this but gasoline is like heroin and America is addicted.
Yeah, that rediculous 3-6% profit is insane.......Heck, the US gov't makes more per gallon of gas I would imagine;)
It is about time he woke up and decided to drill again (hopefully).

pwaldo
05-14-2011, 06:01 PM
I was under the impression that we don't have a shortage of oil it is that the refineries can't process it fast enough or into the various blends of gasoline that we need. So drilling doesn't really do anything if you haven't opened up new refineries in the past 30 years.

Plus a point somebody else brought up is that when they drill for oil they aren't obligated to sell it here. They can sell it to Canada, Europe, China, etc. So if the demand in China and India continues to skyrocket they aren't going to sell us cheap gas if they are willing to pay double what we want to pay.

OnePimpTiger
05-14-2011, 08:39 PM
Me and the wife have done alot to reduce our needs on wasting non renewable resources, we live in Seattle so a vehicle is a little redundant to own in a big city so we gave our up years ago and rely on public transit, when we do feel the need for a vehicle we can rent an electric or a hybrid car or some eco friendly vehicle.

That didn't answer my question, though. It's great to reduce, but are you ready to completely do without oil and the products/services that require it? Alternative energy sources are great and should definitely be invested in. But if you consider a single family, it is extremely inefficient and expensive to live without oil. It is impossible for a single town to be completely independent of oil. Invest, research, and develop alternative energy sources, most definitely. But until they are feasible on a town, county, state, national level, other, more practical energy sources must be utilized.


Yeah, that rediculous 3-6% profit is insane.......Heck, the US gov't makes more per gallon of gas I would imagine;)
It is about time he woke up and decided to drill again (hopefully).

Most definitely. The government makes as much or more in taxes than the "greedy" oil companies make in profit.

duane1969
05-15-2011, 12:49 AM
That didn't answer my question, though. It's great to reduce, but are you ready to completely do without oil and the products/services that require it? Alternative energy sources are great and should definitely be invested in. But if you consider a single family, it is extremely inefficient and expensive to live without oil. It is impossible for a single town to be completely independent of oil. Invest, research, and develop alternative energy sources, most definitely. But until they are feasible on a town, county, state, national level, other, more practical energy sources must be utilized.


Most people who consider themselves "green" have no idea just how not-green they are. I was shocked when I saw the list of petroleum based products that we use in day-to-day life...

Ammonia, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Umbrellas, Cameras, Candles, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn

...and that is just some of the stuff, nevermind all of the products that don't have petroleum in them but use petroleum to be manufactured.

theonedru
05-15-2011, 12:54 AM
Most people who consider themselves "green" have no idea just how not-green they are. I was shocked when I saw the list of petroleum based products that we use in day-to-day life...

Ammonia, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Umbrellas, Cameras, Candles, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn

...and that is just some of the stuff, nevermind all of the products that don't have petroleum in them but use petroleum to be manufactured.

Now ask yourself how many thing have to have petroleum and in how many products can the petroleum be replaced, We do need to drive vehicles powered by gas but due to the addiction we are lead to believe it has to be..

*censored*
05-15-2011, 07:56 PM
You can tell Obama is scared for the 2012 election with how much he's kowtowing to the right with things like this. And yet, the other side doesn't have any sort of decent person to run against him either. With the gang of idiots that form the current Republican brass and the uselessness of the Democratic party as it stands right now, suddenly Reagan, Clinton, and Bush look good.

This is why more people need to support third parties.

Good article on Obama, for both his left and right critics: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/11-17

Star_Cards
05-16-2011, 10:20 AM
Most people who consider themselves "green" have no idea just how not-green they are. I was shocked when I saw the list of petroleum based products that we use in day-to-day life...

Ammonia, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Umbrellas, Cameras, Candles, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn

...and that is just some of the stuff, nevermind all of the products that don't have petroleum in them but use petroleum to be manufactured.

of course it's difficult for one to go completely "green", but there are definitely lots of varying shades of green in the spectrum. I'd guess that purchasing a product that is completely green would be rather difficult. As you say... even completely green products are produced and transported by non green means. I wouldn't call someone that is a little green as "not-green". I see any sort of greeness as a positive.

As for the drilling topic, I think oil production at this point is necessary even though it would be ideal to move away from oil usage. It's definitely not an overnight situation and having affordable fuel prices doesn't just have one solution.

Theodor Madison
05-16-2011, 10:33 AM
I to, want to reduce oil consumption. For that fact that we buy much of our oil from countries who are our enemies. In turn, seems like we are paying to kill our soldiers. I hate to admit, but we need to become independent in our energy production. We just need to be smarter about doing this challenge.

OnePimpTiger
05-16-2011, 08:22 PM
I to, want to reduce oil consumption. For that fact that we buy much of our oil from countries who are our enemies. In turn, seems like we are paying to kill our soldiers. I hate to admit, but we need to become independent in our energy production. We just need to be smarter about doing this challenge.

Why would you hate to admit that? If we produced all our own energy, we would create more jobs, the money would go back into our economy, we would not rely on our enemies, etc, etc, etc. That would be a huge win-win.

theonedru
05-16-2011, 08:55 PM
I to, want to reduce oil consumption. For that fact that we buy much of our oil from countries who are our enemies. In turn, seems like we are paying to kill our soldiers. I hate to admit, but we need to become independent in our energy production. We just need to be smarter about doing this challenge.

Top 10 countries from whom America imports oil from (not quite in order)

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil

" For that fact that we buy much of our oil from countries who are our enemies. In turn, seems like we are paying to kill our soldiers... "

facts seem to present that this statement is quite false in nature.

*censored*
05-16-2011, 09:30 PM
Saudi Arabia and Iraq are our only "enemies" on that list (whether the government wants to admit it or not, Saudi Arabia is certainly not our friend). Based on the 2010 numbers I'm looking at right now, it would appear that about one third of our petroleum imports come from Canada and Mexico, two countries that we have pretty good relations with (aside from the Mexican border violence, at least). Very little comes from our "enemies."

sanfran22
05-16-2011, 09:35 PM
Venezuela is no friend either.

Theodor Madison
05-17-2011, 10:01 AM
Just saying, that no one wants to talk about the fact our purchasing oil from countries that hate America, somewhat contributes too the deaths of our own soldiers.
Little do we know, but there are more countries that dislike America. We tend to forget that many South American countries are being influenced by Arab and Communistic countries. To this day I believe the violence in Mexico is being funded by counties like Venezuela and Columbia. A friend of my enemy is no friend of mine.



Why would you hate to admit that? If we produced all our own energy, we would create more jobs, the money would go back into our economy, we would not rely on our enemies, etc, etc, etc. That would be a huge win-win.

duane1969
05-17-2011, 10:31 AM
Obama announces plans to speed up oil drilling...how about just doing it?

I work with government/politics types in my job and the one thing I hate more than anything else is the concept that there needs to be a meeting to make a plan to prepare to get ready to think about how to do something.

If Obama wants to speed up oil drilling all he has to do is sign an executive order abolishing the limitations that currently constrain oil drilling. Instead he will sit on his hands until he loses the election and when the next president speeds up oil drilling all of the Obama supporters will discredit it and say that Obama was going to do the same thing so it is no big deal or they will insist that Obama should get part of the credit.

Aikman_TheGreat
05-18-2011, 05:04 AM
Yes, drill in our own oil fields please, that will help a lot. Yes, keep trying to find alternative fuels. Do both at the same time, I've been saying this for a long, long time.

But I guess that makes too much sense.....

INTIMADATOR2007
05-19-2011, 11:13 PM
This whole shennagin with more drilling is just more words that will lead to nothing more than america giving more money to foriegn countries to drill off our coast with out an american dril/well no were to be found , Remember just 2 weeks ago he told Brazil America will be there best customer after we give em' billions to drill in our waters .More words with no meaning .

duwal
05-20-2011, 12:37 AM
Most people who consider themselves "green" have no idea just how not-green they are. I was shocked when I saw the list of petroleum based products that we use in day-to-day life...

Ammonia, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Umbrellas, Cameras, Candles, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn

...and that is just some of the stuff, nevermind all of the products that don't have petroleum in them but use petroleum to be manufactured.


well its just a way for them to feel good about themselves, buying an electric car and thinking that that is a substantial effort. Gas and oil will always be around, I'm glad I will never buy a hybrid/electric car. I'll still to my gas guzzling cars :party0053: