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theonedru
06-01-2011, 12:45 PM
You good for nothing hypocrite...

Guy takes a state helicopter to his sons baseball game and then takes a car with body guards 100 yards to the game seriously this guy has abused the system and has to go no if ands or buts.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110601/ts_yblog_theticket/chris-christie-takes-state-helicopter-to-sons-baseball-game

Star_Cards
06-01-2011, 01:18 PM
wow. seems like a bit much. anyone else find it hilarious that he didn't even stay for the entire game?

OnePimpTiger
06-02-2011, 09:09 PM
That sounds about right. The guy is fixing the budget, keeping the state out of the toilet, but one helicopter flight is grounds for resignation.

TheHeel
06-02-2011, 09:22 PM
That sounds about right. The guy is fixing the budget, keeping the state out of the toilet, but one helicopter flight is grounds for resignation.


The guy is not fixing the budget. He lost 400 million for education, raised taxes, blaming the state woes on teachers, police officers, firemen and anyone associated with a union. He preaches shared sacrifice but does not participate. The guy is a bum. :rant:

sanfran22
06-02-2011, 09:30 PM
Lol, yeah ok. I guess air force one isn't taking any discretionary trips either. Lets just put Corzine back in office....
Also, what did Christie raise taxwise? And it's about time someone bust up that union. No one should be able to bargain with taxpayers money period.

TheHeel
06-03-2011, 06:59 AM
Lol, yeah ok. I guess air force one isn't taking any discretionary trips either. Lets just put Corzine back in office....
Also, what did Christie raise taxwise? And it's about time someone bust up that union. No one should be able to bargain with taxpayers money period.


That's right. His promises was to lower taxes for the middle class (has not done that). He has taken away the homeowner rebates. He has given tax breaks to his boys in the millionaires club. As for the unions (I am in the teacher union), he wants everyone to basically work for 35k when it comes down to it.

He sings his tunes about shared sacrifice but this clown is living like a king. He has no interest in the educational system because his own kids go to private school (tuition is, I believe, around 25k).

I hope he runs for President and gets squashed along with his political career.

sanfran22
06-03-2011, 09:26 AM
That's right. His promises was to lower taxes for the middle class (has not done that). He has taken away the homeowner rebates. He has given tax breaks to his boys in the millionaires club. As for the unions (I am in the teacher union), he wants everyone to basically work for 35k when it comes down to it.

He sings his tunes about shared sacrifice but this clown is living like a king. He has no interest in the educational system because his own kids go to private school (tuition is, I believe, around 25k).

I hope he runs for President and gets squashed along with his political career.
Soooo he hasn't actually "raised" taxes correct? I would put my kids in a private school as well. Who wants to be in the public school system if they don't have to be. I hope vouchers are the next thing to happen. Maybe those will make the public schools get it together. I see you are in the union, thats all that you needed to say:winking0071:. Maybe the union should save some of the money on the tv ads and planes flying with ads attached for something more productive. Also, doing alittle research, didn't the "millionares tax" in jersey expire under corzine and he/the dem's didn't renew it??? But it's all Christies fault. Just like everything is George Bush's fault....amazing.

mrveggieman
06-03-2011, 09:27 AM
Lol, yeah ok. I guess air force one isn't taking any discretionary trips either. Lets just put Corzine back in office....
Also, what did Christie raise taxwise? And it's about time someone bust up that union. No one should be able to bargain with taxpayers money period.


Ok I get it it's ok for Bush to take trips in Air Force one but when Obama needs to do so he needs to be impeached.

Friday 13th - "Trump asked if black cats bad luck,said not because they're black, because they're socialists who faked their college records"- Bill Mahr from his twitter account.

Things that make you go hmmm.....

tutall
06-03-2011, 10:41 AM
Ok I get it it's ok for Bush to take trips in Air Force one but when Obama needs to do so he needs to be impeached.

Friday 13th - "Trump asked if black cats bad luck,said not because they're black, because they're socialists who faked their college records"- Bill Mahr from his twitter account.

Things that make you go hmmm.....

Take your political blinders off and get it through that head of yours... It is not OK for anyone to take discretionary trips on the taxpayer dime... It isnt ok for Bush, Clinton, Obama, Abe Lincoln, or anyone else... It has nothing to do with reps/dems but as a whole.... Everything that is ever said on these boards, the imediate response from you is, well the repubs do it too.... WE KNOW! Thats why they lost congress and the presidency a few years back. We dont support them either...

Rybowski
06-03-2011, 04:53 PM
It was good to see that he is paying back the money from that helicopter he took to see the baseball. I don't even live in NJ, but if I did, I would surely want him to heading out very soon.

TheHeel
06-05-2011, 08:07 AM
Soooo he hasn't actually "raised" taxes correct? I would put my kids in a private school as well. Who wants to be in the public school system if they don't have to be. I hope vouchers are the next thing to happen. Maybe those will make the public schools get it together. I see you are in the union, thats all that you needed to say:winking0071:. Maybe the union should save some of the money on the tv ads and planes flying with ads attached for something more productive. Also, doing alittle research, didn't the "millionares tax" in jersey expire under corzine and he/the dem's didn't renew it??? But it's all Christies fault. Just like everything is George Bush's fault....amazing.

NJ's public schools are ranked, I believe, in the top 3 or 4. The only thing that vouchers will do is raise taxes even more. Why should a taxpayer pay for someone to go to a private school (unless the student is special needs) that probably is for profit or religious based? When people say charter schools produce higher test scores, better students, etc., it means that those are the parents who care enough to apply to those schools which means, generally, those kids have help at home.

For a student to be successful, and I will go on record saying this, starts at home. I taught in an affluent district and you saw the parents who made an effort to help their child, succeed. Those parents who never showed up to conferences, who made excuses for their child, who don't return phone calls, etc. are the ones whose child does not succeed.

I am currently teaching in an urban, poverty stricken district. You see right off the bat, which students will make it due to their living situation regarding (mentally, emotionally, physically -able) present parents.

What do you do for a living because clearly, you are ignorant in this subject. :winking0071:

OnePimpTiger
06-05-2011, 10:47 AM
The guy is not fixing the budget. He lost 400 million for education, raised taxes, blaming the state woes on teachers, police officers, firemen and anyone associated with a union. He preaches shared sacrifice but does not participate. The guy is a bum. :rant:

What happened to my previous reply to this? There were 20 or so replies yesterday, now only 10? I guess we'll have to do it again:

Maybe it has something to do with this (http://www.teacher-world.com/teacher-salary/new-jersey.html):


New Jersey teacher salaries were the fifth highest in the nation in 2009-2010, according to the National Education Association. Averaging $64,809, annual salaries for teachers in New Jersey are nearly $10,000 higher than the national average.

Or this (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/nj_police_salaries_rank_highes.html):


N.J. police salaries rank highest in nation with median pay of $90,672

Or this (http://firelink.monster.com/careers/articles/1082-top-ten-highest-paying-states-for-firefighters):


Top Ten Highest Paying States for Firefighters

Any guess as to #1?


1) New Jersey

Median Salary: $28.41

And is this (http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/26/governor-chris-christie-says-new-jeresy-was-unfairly-kept-from-winning-race-to-the-tops-400-million-dollars-of-grants/)the $400 million he lost in education you're referring to? The $400m that was lost due to a clerical error, not any policy of Christie's, and that he fought hard to correct? That the Obamastration would not allow correcting and the money be awarded appropriately?

$64K salary teachers. $90K salary police. "Lost" $400m for education because the pro-union, liberal administration wouldn't allow the correcting of a clerical error. Yep, total bum....:rolleyes:

TheHeel
06-05-2011, 11:42 AM
OnePimpTiger: I have no problem with paying police and fire personnel that type of money because of the line of work they are in. People want to complain about the salary but they are the first to...

tutall
06-05-2011, 12:03 PM
Give me a break dude... I handle stuff in my daily routine that is just as bad as what you do.... You cant sit there and tell me all teachers are good teachers... You chose it for the reasons you...

theonedru
06-05-2011, 12:07 PM
This thread is about his misuse of a state vehicle for a personal use and about the hypocrisy of it not anything else, can we stay on topic. This isnt about education, bush, obama, how much whoever makes or all that. If you want to discuss that open your own thread.

TheHeel
06-05-2011, 12:13 PM
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TheHeel
06-05-2011, 12:14 PM
Give me a break dude... I handle stuff in my daily routine that is just as bad as what you do.... You cant sit there and tell me all teachers are good teachers... You chose it for the reasons you did... great.. but there are also teachers who chose it for summers off and 30 some paid holidays... You may stay up until 3 in the morning grading papers but there are also some who have TA's and grade very few if any papers. All jobs are the same, it is what you put into it.

I totally agree with you. There are horrible teachers out there. I would love to be able get rid of the dead wood. However; I can say 95% of teachers who I have worked with are in it to improve society. Those 5% need to be removed.


My biggest point though and it was here yesterday gone today is with all the workforce being affected, why wouldnt there be drastic cuts in education. I mean, charter schools have shown how to provide education and make a profit or at least break even while public schools show nothing but huge deficiets every year... Why not try and fix them.... Why not get rid of the teachers who suck and get someone else in there for the same or less money that is in it for the right reasons? You know what happens in my job when the management decides we dont have the money to pay for something? It gets cut....The same should happen in the schools. Instead of just raising another tax maybe we shouldnt be buying all the kids Ipads or putting astroturf down. Maybe we dont really need 3 librarians or to put tv screens in every room for announcements.... Instead of putting 4 computer labs in maybe we should teach kids what a pencil and paper is and use those instead. We should probably cut down on the amount of field trips to baseball games and teach them how to balance a checkbook or how to speak in a different language....

I agree with all that. We do need to cut a lot of the silliness in school budgets. There is no need to redo fields with turf when a school is facing a budget problem. I hardly ever use the computer in my room because my kids need to get the basics of writing first. What needs to happen is to go back to just the basics. It's nice to have the luxury of offering multiple languages, new ball fields, new technology, etc. but we [society] is forgetting our educational roots of the basics. The reason why we don't give it up is because parents demand all of these things. Bigger isn't always better.


All Im saying is there is a ton of waste in the school district and if they can cut some fat from the meat DO IT

^Agreed :hug:

OnePimpTiger
06-05-2011, 03:52 PM
Serious? So anyone who doesn't work for the government is either lazy or thinks they will get rich working for a corporation? There's no way to even rebut a delusional argument like that... <br />
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TheHeel
06-06-2011, 07:26 AM
Please do not be the spin doctor.

It's not about becoming rich or being lazy - it's about the complaining that is really annoying. Do I go on and on about other people's paycheck?

I have to go...I will be back on later...have a good day.

sanfran22
06-06-2011, 10:14 AM
NJ's public schools are ranked, I believe, in the top 3 or 4. The only thing that vouchers will do is raise taxes even more. Why should a taxpayer pay for someone to go to a private school (unless the student is special needs) that probably is for profit or religious based? When people say charter schools produce higher test scores, better students, etc., it means that those are the parents who care enough to apply to those schools which means, generally, those kids have help at home.

For a student to be successful, and I will go on record saying this, starts at home. I taught in an affluent district and you saw the parents who made an effort to help their child, succeed. Those parents who never showed up to conferences, who made excuses for their child, who don't return phone calls, etc. are the ones whose child does not succeed.

I am currently teaching in an urban, poverty stricken district. You see right off the bat, which students will make it due to their living situation regarding (mentally, emotionally, physically -able) present parents.

What do you do for a living because clearly, you are ignorant in this subject. :winking0071:
Your ranked in the top 3 spending wise....Your SAT scores are something like 36th and you are in the middle of the pack according to the chamber of commerce. Heck, my state is in the top 10 overall I believe......I get where you are coming from, my whole family are teachers. I think you are wrong. Competition will weed out the crap and make things better for all. Money is not the answer.
Lastly, I don't believe you should have the right to dictate what we the taxpayers compensate you. You signed up for the job knowing it's a public job. It's not my problem you went that direction. When there is no money, things have to change.
Oh, and I own a business and understand alot more then you think....:winking0071:

sanfran22
06-06-2011, 10:22 AM
Please do not be the spin doctor.

It's not about becoming rich or being lazy - it's about the complaining that is really annoying. Do I go on and on about other people's paycheck?

I have to go...I will be back on later...have a good day.
Other people aren't payed by the public. There is a huge difference. Maybe we should let the people vote on public salaries....You'd probably do better that way in all honesty.

TheHeel
06-06-2011, 04:00 PM
Your ranked in the top 3 spending wise....Your SAT scores are something like 36th and you are in the middle of the pack according to the chamber of commerce. Heck, my state is in the top 10 overall I believe......I get where you are coming from, my whole family are teachers. I think you are wrong. Competition will weed out the crap and make things better for all. Money is not the answer.
Lastly, I don't believe you should have the right to dictate what we the taxpayers compensate you. You signed up for the job knowing it's a public job. It's not my problem you went that direction. When there is no money, things have to change.
Oh, and I own a business and understand alot more then you think....:winking0071:


I never said money is the definitive answer but it does help. I signed up for a job with an understanding that a pension that I pay into will be there for me, health benefits when I need them and an average steady 2-4 percent raise. I also signed up knowing I would not get bonuses (like the private sector), match 401k (like some companies give out), stock options, etc.

I love when people basically say that as a taxpayer, they own you and should dictate salary, benefits, etc. I do not think my 57k (12 months) salary will break any banks. I think business owners should pay more in taxes because they use public roads for their customers. They should pay more for the privilege of being able to do business in my town. They should pay more for yada yada yada. Doesn't feel good, right? :rolleyes:

I am not asking for more benefits, money, etc. I am happy with what I have and do not have a problem contributing more if need be - just do not take away what was promised to me from the beginning. King Christie is trying to do that.

tutall
06-06-2011, 07:23 PM
Please do not be the spin doctor.

It's not about becoming rich or being lazy - it's about the complaining that is really annoying. Do I go on and on about other people's paycheck?

I have to go...I will be back on later...have a good day.

There is a HUGE difference... We pay you... Simply put as that... As taxpayers I would say it is our right to know where our money is going. I work on commision and it is essentially the same thing... I work for my customers. If I do not do my job I lose customers and therefore lose money. Why should you be exempt from those standards since you work for the government?

TheHeel
06-06-2011, 07:35 PM
There is a HUGE difference... We pay you... Simply put as that... As taxpayers I would say it is our right to know where our money is going. I work on commision and it is essentially the same thing... I work for my customers. If I do not do my job I lose customers and therefore lose money. Why should you be exempt from those standards since you work for the government?


That is fine with me. I never once said that the money should be kept a secret. It needs to be open about who and what is being paid for. I am just saying that King Christie is crapping all over the teachers, firemen, police officers, etc.

OnePimpTiger
06-06-2011, 07:39 PM
Please do not be the spin doctor.

It's not about becoming rich or being lazy - it's about the complaining that is really annoying. Do I go on and on about other people's paycheck?

I have to go...I will be back on later...have a good day.

Ok, so anyone who complains about government jobs is either lazy or thinks they will get rich working for a corporation? There is no spin...I quote:


The people who complain, like yourself, about the public sector are the most are the ones who made their life decision to either A.) not apply themselves to get a better job or B.) Saw the money signs in corporate America with bonuses and salary galore. Are you A or B?

If I was paying your check voluntarily (ie free market), I would not be complaining either. It's when people have no say in where their money goes that causes them to complain...imagine that.

tutall
06-06-2011, 08:37 PM
I never said money is the definitive answer but it does help. I signed up for a job with an understanding that a pension that I pay into will be there for me, health benefits when I need them and an average steady 2-4 percent raise. I also signed up knowing I would not get bonuses (like the private sector), match 401k (like some companies give out), stock options, etc.

I love when people basically say that as a taxpayer, they own you and should dictate salary, benefits, etc. I do not think my 57k (12 months) salary will break any banks. I think business owners should pay more in taxes because they use public roads for their customers. They should pay more for the privilege of being able to do business in my town. They should pay more for yada yada yada. Doesn't feel good, right? :rolleyes:

I am not asking for more benefits, money, etc. I am happy with what I have and do not have a problem contributing more if need be - just do not take away what was promised to me from the beginning. King Christie is trying to do that.

Do you think benefits in the private sector arent taken away in companies? I would venture to say it is 10 times worse. If a company cant afford it anymore an employees 401K is liquidated and given to the employee.... If a pension fund is no longer feasible the company takes that away. if Insurance is too expensive a company can force you to take a spouse of children off if the other spouse can get their own insurance... Raises? What is that... I havent had one in 3 years and I work for one of the companies in every top 100 companies you can find...

You think business owners should have to pay more in taxes which is fine... Then dont expect your brother and cousin to be employed by them since their paycheck is now going to the state instead... Im just not sure you get it that money doesnt come out of no where... If there is a surplus in the states I would expect it to work the opposite... If we can afford to give teachers raises I am all for it... but the sense of entitlement is a little sickening...

TheHeel
06-06-2011, 09:08 PM
There is no entitlement here. Like I said before, I do not mind paying extra for my benefits. If you read closely, you can feel the sarcasm coming from my statement. I do not wish taxes upon businesses...I was pointing out the condescending tone of the previous poster. Anyways, I am done with this thread and going to use this forum for what it is intended for. Feel free to have the last word. If you guys ever want to deal, feel free to PM me.

I stand by statement that I feel that Christie is not a good Governor because of policies.

Take care gentlemen.

OnePimpTiger
06-06-2011, 09:45 PM
I never said money is the definitive answer but it does help. I signed up for a job with an understanding that a pension that I pay into will be there for me, health benefits when I need them and an average steady 2-4 percent raise. I also signed up knowing I would not get bonuses (like the private sector), match 401k (like some companies give out), stock options, etc.

You know you won't get a 401K, you only expect a pension. You know you won't get a bonus, you only expect a 2-4% raise. You know you won't get stock options, you only expect health benefits. You realize these are all the same things under a different name, right? 401K = retirement = pension. Bonus = pay increase = 2-4% raise. Stock options = extra benefits = health benefits.


I love when people basically say that as a taxpayer, they own you and should dictate salary, benefits, etc. I do not think my 57k (12 months) salary will break any banks. I think business owners should pay more in taxes because they use public roads for their customers. They should pay more for the privilege of being able to do business in my town. They should pay more for yada yada yada. Doesn't feel good, right? :rolleyes:

And again, you do realize businesses do pay to business in your town, they do pay extra through commercial licenses, transportation regulations, etc, to use the roads, and pay extra for just about everything else they do, right?


I am not asking for more benefits, money, etc. I am happy with what I have and do not have a problem contributing more if need be - just do not take away what was promised to me from the beginning. King Christie is trying to do that.

That is exactly the problem with unions. They would rather see their entire industry go down the drain (a la auto industry, Cali teachers union, etc, etc, etc) than take a cut to benefit everyone. Unions say they are working for the benefit of their members, but they will let thousands of their members lose their jobs before sacrificing a small portion to save them.