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OnePimpTiger
06-05-2011, 11:51 AM
Tea Party to Back Any GOP Nominee— Including Romney (http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/06/04/tea-party-back-any-gop-nominee-including-romney)


The Tea Party will support whoever wins the GOP presidential nomination - - even if that person is former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. That's the affirmative word from Tea Party Express chair Amy Kremer.

Kremer told Fox News on Saturday, "whoever the Republican nominee is will have to have the support of the Tea Party movement, the entire Tea Party movement."

Kremer went on to say the Tea Party is "completely neutral," adding that it "just wants to see the cream rise to the top... If Romney is the nominee I believe that we want to defeat Barack Obama."

Her confidence comes while some Tea Partiers, including some at FreedomWorks, a leading voice in the Tea Party movement, set their sights on stopping a Romney nomination.

Kremer also wants to put to rest the idea the Tea Party would support a third party candidate, insisting the Tea Party can work from within the democratic and republican parties.

"There is no way that we are going to support a third party candidate. It would split the vote and it would guarantee reelection for Obama, and we need to crush Obama we have to get him out of the White House," says Kremer.

A sad day. I completely understand the logic behind this and I struggle with that problem myself, but they're just ensuring no change will ever take place. A third party is going to have to struggle before ever getting to the point of actually having a shot...but never going through that struggle means they will never have a shot.

*censored*
06-05-2011, 04:43 PM
Kremer went on to say the Tea Party is "completely neutral,"

Haha, please.

pghin08
06-06-2011, 10:10 AM
Tea Party to Back Any GOP Nominee— Including Romney (http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/06/04/tea-party-back-any-gop-nominee-including-romney)



A sad day. I completely understand the logic behind this and I struggle with that problem myself, but they're just ensuring no change will ever take place. A third party is going to have to struggle before ever getting to the point of actually having a shot...but never going through that struggle means they will never have a shot.


I've been saying this from the getgo. The Tea Party is not more powerful than the Republicans, and is nothing more than a political fad.

sanfran22
06-06-2011, 11:07 AM
Yeah, not a good thing. I'm not a big Romney fan. He would probably good economically wise, but I don't share alot of views with him.

Star_Cards
06-06-2011, 12:00 PM
Seems like they need to stand alone as their own party. I get that they may not be able to have their own nominee, but if that is where they want to be in the future seems like they wouldn't back another party. Seems like a bit of a disservice to their party.

mikesilvia
06-06-2011, 12:30 PM
There will never be a major third party. Look at our history and you will see that political parties get replaced, but there really is and never will be three parties or more that are equally competitive.

The Republican party came to being from the old Whig party with Abe Lincoln becoming the first Republican President. Basically, the Whigs converted with some other minor parties to form the Republican (GOP) party primarily because of the anti-slavery movement. By doing so the other parties became obsolete. So, for the Tea party to become a real party they would have to have the majority of Republicans officially convert over thus destroying the Republican party. There is no room for both. Third parties do nothing more than split the vote and elect the #2 candidate to President.

A perfect example would be Mike Hucklebee. If he dropped out of the Republican primaries early, instead of splitting the vote, Mitt Romney would have been the GOP nominee. McCain only won because Hucklebee split the conservative vote in the primaries. Mike Hucklebee got Obama elected because McCain/Palin was such a weak ticket.

It would be interesting to see a left-wing type candidate like Huffington run as a third party candidate because it would split the Democratic vote and ensure Obama gets defeated in 2012.

An official Tea Party candidate would ensure that Obama gets elected in 2012 and why they have stated they will back any Republican nominee. They don't want to be responsible for splitting the vote and getting Obama re-elected.

sanfran22
06-06-2011, 03:52 PM
There will never be a major third party. Look at our history and you will see that political parties get replaced, but there really is and never will be three parties or more that are equally competitive.

The Republican party came to being from the old Whig party with Abe Lincoln becoming the first Republican President. Basically, the Whigs converted with some other minor parties to form the Republican (GOP) party primarily because of the anti-slavery movement. By doing so the other parties became obsolete. So, for the Tea party to become a real party they would have to have the majority of Republicans officially convert over thus destroying the Republican party. There is no room for both. Third parties do nothing more than split the vote and elect the #2 candidate to President.

A perfect example would be Mike Hucklebee. If he dropped out of the Republican primaries early, instead of splitting the vote, Mitt Romney would have been the GOP nominee. McCain only won because Hucklebee split the conservative vote in the primaries. Mike Hucklebee got Obama elected because McCain/Palin was such a weak ticket.

It would be interesting to see a left-wing type candidate like Huffington run as a third party candidate because it would split the Democratic vote and ensure Obama gets defeated in 2012.

An official Tea Party candidate would ensure that Obama gets elected in 2012 and why they have stated they will back any Republican nominee. They don't want to be responsible for splitting the vote and getting Obama re-elected.
Good point.

limitedplay50
06-06-2011, 04:35 PM
I like the angle of running Romney. Obama couldnt afford to attack him on Romney care because he would get ripped. When they arent face to face Obama says I passed Romney care but now Romney is complaining about his own health care policy.
If Obama says that in a debate he gets creamed. Romney says people In MA are paying for people in MA. Obama doesnt get that what he did has people in Texas paying for people in New Jersey just as example.
Its a clear example of how the federal govt cant regulate commerrce across state lines.

*censored*
06-06-2011, 06:08 PM
There will never be a major third party. Look at our history and you will see that political parties get replaced, but there really is and never will be three parties or more that are equally competitive.

The Republican party came to being from the old Whig party with Abe Lincoln becoming the first Republican President. Basically, the Whigs converted with some other minor parties to form the Republican (GOP) party primarily because of the anti-slavery movement. By doing so the other parties became obsolete. So, for the Tea party to become a real party they would have to have the majority of Republicans officially convert over thus destroying the Republican party. There is no room for both. Third parties do nothing more than split the vote and elect the #2 candidate to President.

A perfect example would be Mike Hucklebee. If he dropped out of the Republican primaries early, instead of splitting the vote, Mitt Romney would have been the GOP nominee. McCain only won because Hucklebee split the conservative vote in the primaries. Mike Hucklebee got Obama elected because McCain/Palin was such a weak ticket.

It would be interesting to see a left-wing type candidate like Huffington run as a third party candidate because it would split the Democratic vote and ensure Obama gets defeated in 2012.

An official Tea Party candidate would ensure that Obama gets elected in 2012 and why they have stated they will back any Republican nominee. They don't want to be responsible for splitting the vote and getting Obama re-elected.

Politicians are too concerned about the short-run. Yeah, a legitimate third party might set the country up for another four years of Obama. But it would also strengthen that particular party (and the country as a whole) for the years after that if they could show they're a force and gain support. That third party might split the right side, but it also could split the left side, which is full of those who don't like what Obama is doing. My mom is a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, bordering on Socialist at times, and thinks the guy has been terrible.

Besides, if they're concerned about losing out on half the voters and thus giving Obama an easy path to re-election, there's a large chunk they're forgetting about-- undecided voters, independents, and frustrated non-voters. Getting 70% of the voters to the polls in an election has become a pipe dream. But if there was some sort of legitimate third party who better represented the views of the people out there, maybe some of those who don't vote out of frustration with a broken process might come out of the woodwork and get on board. A lot of the independents would likely jump on board as well.

It's easy to think that it would split and give 2012 to Obama. But we need to look past 2012 toward the honest future, not just the short-term.

duwal
06-07-2011, 07:58 PM
that is what is so sad about the majority of members in the parties and their voters, they will just vote blindly for the person on their side. The Tea party said whoever it is they will back them. They don't care about what the candidates have to say about the important issues in the country but hey if he's on this side we'll give him our full support. Heck we'll support him even if he has horrible ideas for the country.

duane1969
06-07-2011, 11:05 PM
As for Romney, I met the guy during the last election campaign. I felt the need to shower afterwards. Not my type of person. A little too polished and prepped.

As for the Tea Party, I think Mike is spot-on. The last thing the Tea Party wants to be remembered for is splitting the conservative vote and getting Public Enemy #1 another four years to spend the country into oblivion. Right now the Tea Party is in survival mode. They have no legit candidate so they are doing the second best thing and doing the whole "enemy of my enemy" thing. Not what the Dems had hoped for, I am sure.

sanfran22
06-08-2011, 05:12 PM
As for Romney, I met the guy during the last election campaign. I felt the need to shower afterwards. Not my type of person. A little too polished and prepped.

As for the Tea Party, I think Mike is spot-on. The last thing the Tea Party wants to be remembered for is splitting the conservative vote and getting Public Enemy #1 another four years to spend the country into oblivion. Right now the Tea Party is in survival mode. They have no legit candidate so they are doing the second best thing and doing the whole "enemy of my enemy" thing. Not what the Dems had hoped for, I am sure.
Truth be told, I guess most would rather stomach Romney then having another 4 years of Obama.

INTIMADATOR2007
06-09-2011, 10:32 PM
Anybody but Obama , Heck anyone that has posted in this thread could do a better job than the Moron in chief .... I am all in for Herman Cain !

sanfran22
06-09-2011, 11:08 PM
Anybody but Obama , Heck anyone that has posted in this thread could do a better job than the Moron in chief .... I am all in for Herman Cain !
+1. I do like what I've read/heard from Cain as well. Too bad I don't think he'll have a chance. He could give Obama alot of problems though.

INTIMADATOR2007
06-12-2011, 10:43 AM
+1. I do like what I've read/heard from Cain as well. Too bad I don't think he'll have a chance. He could give Obama alot of problems though.
I wouldn't count Cain out just yet , He is polling very high beating Romney in a few and ahead of Pawlenty in a few . He has momentum going . We just have to worry about the Republican big wigs who will give us Romney in the end no matter what the people think. Imagine that Repubs. going against the will of the people just like the Dems.We don't need anymore politicians we need leaders , And Herman is the man !

mrveggieman
06-16-2011, 11:29 AM
I actually hope that Herman Cain gets the republican nomination. He's a joke and Obama will crush him.

INTIMADATOR2007
06-16-2011, 11:24 PM
I actually hope that Herman Cain gets the republican nomination. He's a joke and Obama will crush him.
Peter Pan can beat this Obama fellow ....:sign0020:

mrveggieman
06-17-2011, 08:25 AM
Peter Pan can beat this Obama fellow ....:sign0020:

And daffy duck can beat any republican canidate. :winking0071:

duane1969
06-18-2011, 10:39 PM
Truth be told, I guess most would rather stomach Romney then having another 4 years of Obama.

I see the two as near mirror images of each other. Both are willing to say/do anything to be in office, both are/were relative unknowns prior to the 2008 election, both have a slick polished appearance that does not feel authentic...I would be open to option #3, four years with no president.

I know, most people will say "What?!! No president?!!" Let's be honest, the president is largely a figure-head. We haven't had a president that was the true leader and chief of his party since Reagan. There was a time when presidents defined their country, had character that withstood the withering assault of the opposition, were looked upon by the world as someone to listen to when he spoke...

Those days are gone. What we get now is fluff. We get some Ivy League trained powder-puff that is about as manly as my 9 year-old son. What we get is some weak-kneed puppet that doesn't even know what he stands for much less what his party stands for. What we get is some semblance of a leader that, when faced with adversity or great challenge...he blinks...he hesitates...he debates...he seeks the advice of his spin doctors, and then, and only then, he makes the best decision that benefits himself and his party's chances of retaining power.

Great presidents are a thing of the past. If you want to see a great president then look in your wallet.