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redsoxx11
07-11-2011, 09:57 AM
http://www.thefamilyleader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/themarriagevow.final_.7.7.111.pdf

Let ssee how many more repubicans sign up for making America, Suadi Arabia II .. but without the oil ...just the religious law

OnePimpTiger
07-11-2011, 12:23 PM
There is one sentence that mentions Sharia Law...and I fail to see how this would be a law at all.

I can see one obvious issue people will have with this, pledging to support "marriage" as between one man and one woman only. Granted, that is a large portion of what the document is, but otherwise, what issues do you have with it?

My main problem is this:


Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial health and security.

I completely disagree...the vast majority of people need to have fewer children or none at all.

redsoxx11
07-11-2011, 12:28 PM
There is one sentence that mentions Sharia Law...and I fail to see how this would be a law at all.

I can see one obvious issue people will have with this, pledging to support "marriage" as between one man and one woman only. Granted, that is a large portion of what the document is, but otherwise, what issues do you have with it?

My main problem is this:



I completely disagree...the vast majority of people need to have fewer children or none at all.

I think you missed the point a little, yes there is only 1 line... against Sharia law.. but when you read the rest of it.. it's very similar to tenents of Sharia law/theocratic control. Hence the irony of adding a line against Sharia law...

Tivo32
07-11-2011, 12:44 PM
I completely disagree...the vast majority of people need to have fewer children or none at all.

But that will mean no more TLC specials featuring families that have 18 kids. You don't want to see those go away, do you? ;)

OnePimpTiger
07-11-2011, 12:56 PM
I think you missed the point a little, yes there is only 1 line... against Sharia law.. but when you read the rest of it.. it's very similar to tenents of Sharia law/theocratic control. Hence the irony of adding a line against Sharia law...

Care to explain how it's similar to Sharia law?

duane1969
07-11-2011, 01:03 PM
Yup it is just like Sahria law. To bad you didn't bother to read this part or you decided to try and exclude it since it didn't fit your agenda.


Rejection of Sharia Islam and all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control

OnePimpTiger
07-11-2011, 01:11 PM
Yup it is just like Sahria law. To bad you didn't bother to read this part or you decided to try and exclude it since it didn't fit your agenda.

He was being ironic duane...pointing out the irony that something that bans Sharia law in some remote, irrelevant way contains some of the same words as Sharia law.

duane1969
07-11-2011, 01:23 PM
He was being ironic duane...pointing out the irony that something that bans Sharia law in some remote, irrelevant way contains some of the same words as Sharia law.

Ah, guess I missed that...:confused0024:

gatorboymike
07-11-2011, 02:04 PM
This whole thing seems more anti-gay than anti-Islamic. Not to mention the fact that Sharia law, being explicitly religious, would go against the US Constitution anyway. Does anyone think we're really in danger of the US adopting Sharia law?

Star_Cards
07-11-2011, 02:09 PM
I have more of an issue with the definition of marriage.

Star_Cards
07-11-2011, 02:12 PM
This whole thing seems more anti-gay than anti-Islamic. Not to mention the fact that Sharia law, being explicitly religious, would go against the US Constitution anyway. Does anyone think we're really in danger of the US adopting Sharia law?

I agree. With the US being such a majority of christians I fail to see why anyone speaks to a fear of Sharia law coming into play here. Maybe I'm missing the point, but that's my opinion. Besides, nothing religious should become a governmental law.

redsoxx11
07-11-2011, 04:58 PM
Wow some people don't get it.

Sharia is more than simply "law" in the prescriptive sense. It is also a methodology through which a jurist engages the religious texts to ascertain divine will. As a jurist-made law, the outcome of this process of ascertaining divine will is called fiqh (positive law), which is the moral and legal anchor of a Muslim's total existence. Sharia governs every aspect of an observant Muslim's life. The sharia juristic inquiry begins with the Quran and the Sunna. The Quran is the Muslim Holy Scripture -- like the New Testament for Christians or the Old Testament for the Jews. The Sunna is essentially the prophetic example embodied in the sayings and conduct of the Prophet Mohammed.


It doesn't take much to find the parallel between Sharia law and what ever you would want to call living under the rules of this "pledge".. You start banning everything, taking away rights and basing policy on the bible you have a nice shiney new brand of Sharia with a new christian name. It's like trying to find the differance in a GMC JImmy and a Chevy Balzer.. same truck diffrent name.

OnePimpTiger
07-11-2011, 05:36 PM
Wow some people don't get it.

Sharia is more than simply "law" in the prescriptive sense. It is also a methodology through which a jurist engages the religious texts to ascertain divine will. As a jurist-made law, the outcome of this process of ascertaining divine will is called fiqh (positive law), which is the moral and legal anchor of a Muslim's total existence. Sharia governs every aspect of an observant Muslim's life. The sharia juristic inquiry begins with the Quran and the Sunna. The Quran is the Muslim Holy Scripture -- like the New Testament for Christians or the Old Testament for the Jews. The Sunna is essentially the prophetic example embodied in the sayings and conduct of the Prophet Mohammed.


It doesn't take much to find the parallel between Sharia law and what ever you would want to call living under the rules of this "pledge".. You start banning everything, taking away rights and basing policy on the bible you have a nice shiney new brand of Sharia with a new christian name. It's like trying to find the differance in a GMC JImmy and a Chevy Balzer.. same truck diffrent name.

So you're saying you didn't actually read it.

First off, this is a pledge that would be taken voluntarily. Nothing whatsoever suggests it would be a law of any kind or forced on anyone who didn't agree with it...which is exactly like any set of beliefs one chooses to live by. So in that aspect, it is exactly the opposite of Sharia law.

Secondly, this addresses the institution of marriage only. This doesn't address any thing about other areas of morals, business, economics, military, etc, etc, etc. Sharia law is the foundation of every aspect of life, so again, this is exactly the opposite of that.

You've been watching too much MSNBC and reading too much Huffington Post. "This one basic, voluntary issue that will in no way affect anything is the end of freedom as we know it!"

redsoxx11
07-11-2011, 05:41 PM
So you're saying you didn't actually read it.

First off, this is a pledge that would be taken voluntarily. Nothing whatsoever suggests it would be a law of any kind or forced on anyone who didn't agree with it...which is exactly like any set of beliefs one chooses to live by. So in that aspect, it is exactly the opposite of Sharia law.

Secondly, this addresses the institution of marriage only. This doesn't address any thing about other areas of morals, business, economics, military, etc, etc, etc. Sharia law is the foundation of every aspect of life, so again, this is exactly the opposite of that.

You've been watching too much MSNBC and reading too much Huffington Post. "This one basic, voluntary issue that will in no way affect anything is the end of freedom as we know it!"

So you have no problem with a presidential canadiate signing a pledge that is direct oposition to the constitution, and established federal law.

redsoxx11
07-11-2011, 05:44 PM
It's funny (well more sad) that people in here and conservaties in general will scream and yell about things like socialism (when we already have a mixed system). And how it's going to take over America, but as soon as someone mentions theocracy, the excuses start flowing like Beer at a frat house.

theonedru
07-11-2011, 05:54 PM
Does it matter what a bunch of religious Christian nuts say? if I felt anything on that site was to be taken seriously then I might as well start taking my daily news from cracked.com and investment advice from the insane homeless guy that talks to himself on the bus.....

OnePimpTiger
07-11-2011, 05:55 PM
So you have no problem with a presidential canadiate signing a pledge that is direct oposition to the constitution, and established federal law.

How is it in direct opposition of the Constitution? The Constitution in no way dictates how a person should live their life or by what code of morals they should follow. In fact, the Constitution states every person has the inalienable right to follow whatever code of morals they choose. So a person who takes this pledge based on their personal beliefs is actually exercising their rights under the Constitution.

You keep trying to somehow connect some non-existent dots to say this will become federal law and everyone will have to abide by it. A pledge is a personal choice that affects no one but the person taking it. You don't have to worry about having this pledge forced upon you as legislation...it's not going to happen nor is it intended to.

redsoxx11
07-11-2011, 06:07 PM
don't have to worry about having this pledge forced upon you as legislation...it's not going to happen nor is it intended to.

But you don't know that, and there are examples (Kentucky) of just that sort of christian biblical adhearnce being pushed in legislation.

Once again you are just making excuses for fundemental christianity.

OnePimpTiger
07-11-2011, 06:20 PM
But you don't know that, and there are examples (Kentucky) of just that sort of christian biblical adhearnce being pushed in legislation.

Once again you are just making excuses for fundemental christianity.

There are far more examples of areas without that type of thing being pushed in legislation. One example is hardly even a trend, let alone the inevitable taking over of federal law. And either way, a trivial pledge on the internet is hardly the thing to push it over the edge...

Once again, you are just finding trivial, irrelevant issues to attack anyone who disagrees with you.

redsoxx11
07-11-2011, 06:34 PM
There are far more examples of areas without that type of thing being pushed in legislation. One example is hardly even a trend, let alone the inevitable taking over of federal law. And either way, a trivial pledge on the internet is hardly the thing to push it over the edge...

Once again, you are just finding trivial, irrelevant issues to attack anyone who disagrees with you.

So fundementalist christianity and it's attempt to push it's fundementalist agenda through legislation is a trivial issue? So then any Muslim that thinks a radical islamic agenda is A-Ok is just a trivial issure right... Based on that I've seen in here, it certianly is not. Once again your just covering for radical christianity, the same thing most of you accuse moderate muslims of doing for radiacl islam.