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RedHottG2
08-05-2011, 03:33 PM
I'm SO EXCITED today because I will be picking up a Mickey Mantle ball from a long time friend who runs a hobby shop in my city. This Mantle ball is one of the cleanest I have seen along with the ball it's on. I have had him holding it for a month until today I finally have all the money for it. I plan to send it to PSA / DNA for grading and the LOA. I will post pics when I get it home and would just like to know what people think it will grade at. I have my own idea but want to hear others also who have a nice eye and knowledge for grading. Pics later today!!!

RedHottG2
08-05-2011, 05:25 PM
Here it is:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/RedHottG2Girl/fb34368e.jpghttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/RedHottG2Girl/0adc04e7.jpghttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/RedHottG2Girl/5729ad11.jpghttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/RedHottG2Girl/6a24e82c.jpg

blackmamba_24
08-05-2011, 05:36 PM
It is really clean. Would be interested what PSA/DNA will say about it.

RedHottG2
08-05-2011, 06:35 PM
While we are at it, I would like you guys to give opinions on my DiMaggio ball that I will be sending to PSA/DNA also.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/RedHottG2Girl/ce1b19b2.jpghttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/RedHottG2Girl/b78385c3.jpghttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/RedHottG2Girl/92886391.jpghttp://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/RedHottG2Girl/052c0c67.jpg

blackmamba_24
08-05-2011, 06:46 PM
Joe Dimaggio is way nice! Good luck on the PSA/DNA Grade!

RedHottG2
08-05-2011, 06:56 PM
It is really clean. Would be interested what PSA/DNA will say about it.



Joe Dimaggio is way nice! Good luck on the PSA/DNA Grade!

Thanks buddy, I would just die if they both or just one for that matter came back a GM MNT 10! :party0053:But 9's are probably more to be expected..

RedHottG2
08-05-2011, 07:11 PM
Here is a DiMaggio on the bay that is PSA graded a 8.5 for christ sake and just look at the start of the M. It's not even all the way on the ball and the smear or whatever that is and it gets a 8.5 ?!
http://cgi.ebay.com/DIMAGGIO-JOE-OAL-BB-BALL-PSA-DNA-GRADED-NM-MT-8-5-/120748417692?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1d2aa29c

SportsLover57
08-06-2011, 02:51 AM
Got a question: What if the Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio autographed baseballs do not come back as 'authentic'? I'm not saying they're not authentic.... just saying WHAT IF?

I'm asking because there's a risk we take when it comes to authenticating autographed memorabilia. It's a tricky and skeptical business. I'm just curious what made you so sure that the baseballs you bought were actually signed by Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio?

I know you got the Mickey Mantle a few days ago. Curious about its history. And how about the Joe DiMaggio? When did you get that one?

SportsLover57
08-06-2011, 03:04 AM
RedHottG2: You might be interested in checking this website regarding the "Mickey Mantle" autographed baseball:

http://www.theswearingens.com/mick/autos.htm

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 04:12 AM
Got a question: What if the Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio autographed baseballs do not come back as 'authentic'? I'm not saying they're not authentic.... just saying WHAT IF?

I'm asking because there's a risk we take when it comes to authenticating autographed memorabilia. It's a tricky and skeptical business. I'm just curious what made you so sure that the baseballs you bought were actually signed by Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio?

I know you got the Mickey Mantle a few days ago. Curious about its history. And how about the Joe DiMaggio? When did you get that one?
These are all good questions, the reason I bought both these balls was mainly because of auto and ball condition after months of looking for the right balls for the price. These were both bought from Bankston's Comics and Cards here in Waco, TX. The owner Brent has been in business for over 30+ years at the same location and is a personal friend of mine since I was a young kid coming into the shop. He stands behind his collectibles and would/will give me a full refund if either or both did not pas PSA/DNA (great guy). I will not be sending to PSA until October-Novemberish because it is so hot here in Texas that I don't want to send them out in the heat at this time.


RedHottG2: You might be interested in checking this website regarding the "Mickey Mantle" autographed baseball:

http://www.theswearingens.com/mick/autos.htm

Thanks for the link, honestly I can see some same and different characteristics with my signature from the site. Again, the reason I started this post is because I'm not the best when it comes to grading and authenticating on my own (needed opinions). So SportsLover do you maybe not think one or both is real ? Answer honestly, I will not get upset that's why I started the thread. I guess I really won't know till a couple of months but I sure hope they are real because of the condition. Good thing is though that I would not be out any money if they turn out not to be. But to be honest with you I think they are because of Brent's experience and he has bought/sold hundreds of them in the past..

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 04:36 AM
Just got an idea, I think I will send these pics into PSA/DNA for a quick opinion on both. I think it's only like $7.50 a piece for that. If they pass that first step then go with the full authentication in a couple of months.

gators241987
08-06-2011, 09:00 AM
cant send to psa for quick opinion, can only do that on ebay items

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 02:02 PM
cant send to psa for quick opinion, can only do that on ebay items
Can I list it on eBay with a high BIN and have someone do a PSA/DNA quick opinion on it ? Then just end the listing..

gators241987
08-06-2011, 02:13 PM
Can I list it on eBay with a high BIN and have someone do a PSA/DNA quick opinion on it ? Then just end the listing..

ya you could, but then youd be saddled with ebay fees. you could send in the quick opinion yourself, you wouldnt have to have someone else do it. make sure you list it high because there is always an outside shot someone could buy it, the other end of that is it will cost you quite a bit of ebay fees though. GL

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 02:32 PM
If I put a BIN for like $2,000 I'm sure no one would buy it for that. What do you think the fee's would be for listing it getting the PSA and ending the listing ? Also would I have to put a believable description and all for PSA to do it or would they just examine it with a short description. I just don't want them to see a short description and automatically assume and think to themselves "fake".

gators241987
08-06-2011, 02:40 PM
looks like it wont cost you much according to ebay rules you will just be assessed a fee if the item sells. the buy it now insertion fee shouldn't be more than a dollar or so.

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 02:46 PM
looks like it wont cost you much according to ebay rules you will just be assessed a fee if the item sells. the buy it now insertion fee shouldn't be more than a dollar or so.
Alright that's great, hey man I really appreciate all your help btw. So what do you think about the description ?

gators241987
08-06-2011, 02:57 PM
dont think the description really matters. its kinda like larry at jsa asking where you got the ball from. who gives a crap. its the ball thats being evaluated. the description technically isnt supposed to sway their decision one way or another. I tell JSA or PSA whenever they do a show that I bought all the items off ebay. that way theres no history and they wont at the back of their mind know for instance that I got such and such IP at spring training. The "experts" are using the same tools and methods that some of us on here are using since we can only look at the item on a computer. In person is a little different which is why I have suspicions that more items get passed at shows or events than ones mailed to the companies since almost always they take a photo and send it either to NJ in JSA case or CA in PSA case and someone there will compare to the "genuine" auto's they have on file. Im rambling now

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 03:34 PM
OK on eBay now http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140589027416

Now for the quick opinion..

gators241987
08-06-2011, 03:45 PM
curious what you paid for that and the Dimaggio

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 03:46 PM
PM coming your way

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 03:54 PM
Quick Opinion submitted..

Now we wait *Bites Nails*

HOF collecting
08-06-2011, 05:12 PM
How did they come back the mantle is iffy, his ms usually have a loop in it but not always. It is one of the most forged graphs in the market here are some of my examples in my collection.
However they are on flats.
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j416/Halloffamers9/not%20available%20baseball/fd74f176.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j416/Halloffamers9/not%20available%20baseball/db5f7872.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j416/Halloffamers9/not%20available%20baseball/ccd6d0c1.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j416/Halloffamers9/baseball%20HOF/92c70b72.jpg

RedHottG2
08-06-2011, 05:19 PM
How did they come back the mantle is iffy, his ms usually have a loop in it but not always. It is one of the most forged graphs in the market here are some of my examples in my collection.
However they are on flats.
So in your opinion what do you think of my ball (just curious) ? PSA quick opinion pending..

HOF collecting
08-06-2011, 05:33 PM
Well PSA, Is a crap shoot one day they will say it's good/bad and another they will say bad/good. It all depends on the authentication guesser... They are notorious on saying yes to bad and no to good. They will also ask you where you got it, even though it doesn't matter about authenticating the item or so they say.
I would guess that it could be real but the M's are a bit off. I need to look at it some more and probably not on my phone.

Stretch
08-06-2011, 05:57 PM
I think the Mantle is fake, but I hope the psa quick opinion is a pass, and I believe it's a 9 at the very least if you end up going that route. Let us know what they say.

HOF collecting
08-06-2011, 08:09 PM
I'm leaning towards it won't pass. I'm seeing different inconsistencies.
But that doesn't mean it's not legit... Just not consistent enough to pass some letters in his name look different the M's as I said earlier, the M in Mickey usually is attached to the i. The c in Mickey looks off, The a in Mantle looks different, the n in mantle looks off.
However that doesn't mean it's not legit however I would question it since it's a top 10 most forged autograph.

HOF collecting
08-06-2011, 08:13 PM
I think the Mantle is fake, but I hope the psa quick opinion is a pass, and I believe it's a 9 at the very least if you end up going that route. Let us know what they say.

What makes you think it's fake?

blackmamba_24
08-07-2011, 01:30 AM
Good Luck! Hope you can get it certified! Looks funky to me though. I always say i can never sign my name the same twice. Could be a bad signature that is real. lol. Certainly a beautiful ball. Shoot me a pm what you paid for them both. That Dimaggio is really beautiful, GL

kcarter
08-07-2011, 03:36 AM
id buy them.(for the right price) few things stuck out to me on the mantle auto but it is on a bobby brown which means he could of been older to change up some things.

RedHottG2
08-07-2011, 03:49 AM
Let me say this, the ball came out like a brand new pure white ball ( my digital camera). That's not the way it it is, it's a milky white aged leather ball. That's why I bought it, would never buy a ball that looked to new. I guess we'll see......

RedHottG2
08-07-2011, 03:31 PM
Got the quick opinion back and you guys were right.

Request ID 80068 Ebay Item No. 140589027416 Request By Date August 8, 2011 12:47 AM Item Description AUTHENTIC MICKEY MANTLE SIGNED AUTO AL BASEBALL W/ COA AUTHENTIC MICKEY MANTLE SIGNED AUTO Opinion Rendered August 7, 2011 10:56 AM Response Likely Not Genuine Comments



I'm so upset right now :mad2: Going to have to take it back tomorrow with the PSA printout and get my money back. Don't know what to think or say right now..

RedHottG2
08-07-2011, 03:35 PM
I'm going to get my money back and just spend a little more and buy a UDA Mantle ball. I think this is the only way to be sure I'm getting the real deal. I will not get burned again.

SportsLover57
08-07-2011, 03:54 PM
Sometimes when you hold high expectations with your collectibles, you're bound to get stabbed in the back. The autograph business is not what it always seems to be. You need to let go of that.

Your best friend who has been in the collectible business KNOWS that this is just a 'business'. Nothing more, nothing less. It's ok to get mad. It's ok to feel like you've been cheated on. Heck, we've all been down that road.

One thing is clear, you return the ball, you get your refund. What's next? Your best friend will still be your friend. He won't hold a grudge with you. Keep the relationship on a strict business level. Fast forward a few weeks, and I'm 100% certain your best friend will be 'selling' that same Mickey Mantle baseball.

Otherwise, what else will he be doing with it? That's the way with the business out there. Everyone's there to make money. Sad world, mate. Pretty sad. Gotta put food on your plate and a roof over your head.

RedHottG2
08-07-2011, 04:21 PM
Sometimes when you hold high expectations with your collectibles, you're bound to get stabbed in the back. The autograph business is not what it always seems to be. You need to let go of that.

Your best friend who has been in the collectible business KNOWS that this is just a 'business'. Nothing more, nothing less. It's ok to get mad. It's ok to feel like you've been cheated on. Heck, we've all been down that road.

One thing is clear, you return the ball, you get your refund. What's next? Your best friend will still be your friend. He won't hold a grudge with you. Keep the relationship on a strict business level. Fast forward a few weeks, and I'm 100% certain your best friend will be 'selling' that same Mickey Mantle baseball.

Otherwise, what else will he be doing with it? That's the way with the business out there. Everyone's there to make money. Sad world, mate. Pretty sad. Gotta put food on your plate and a roof over your head.
Great advice and you are certainly right. When I get my refund I am going to suggest he destroy the ball so it does not float around any longer in the industry. I'm beside myself right now..

HOF collecting
08-07-2011, 05:15 PM
You know what I'll bet you if you go to a show and tell them a crazy story about how you got it impersonal they would probably pass it... The integrity of that company is flawed. It may be a good ball. I just think it is not good.
Look at this crap that was passed...
eBay item 120400354512
Sorry it's on my iPhone so I can't copy the link.

blackmamba_24
08-07-2011, 05:35 PM
You know what I'll bet you if you go to a show and tell them a crazy story about how you got it impersonal they would probably pass it... The integrity of that company is flawed. It may be a good ball. I just think it is not good.
Look at this crap that was passed...
eBay item 120400354512
Sorry it's on my iPhone so I can't copy the link.

Agreed

Stretch
08-07-2011, 08:02 PM
Sorry to hear the bad news!

Keep your chin up.

Let us know what the guy says when you ask for a refund.

RedHottG2
08-08-2011, 01:14 PM
I hope you guys can help me out here. I read that my eBay dashboard will drop now that an item I have listed came back LNG. What is that and will it do this even if I was the one who sent for the quick opinion ? The last thing I wanted to do was hurt my credibility on eBay as a seller just for getting the opinion I needed for my own personal ball.

On a side note, Brent said he would give me my money back no problem. He is going to send the ball in himself for authentication and grading. If it comes back authentic I will buy it back from him. Doesn't PSA / DNA check for know pen pressure spots of the signature and things like that when they physically have the ball to examine ?

Danols1
08-08-2011, 01:23 PM
i always use jsa what do u guys think of that company ?

RedHottG2
08-08-2011, 01:33 PM
i always use jsa what do u guys think of that company ?
I personally don't have anything in my collection authenticated by him and I stay away from his items. But lots of people do use him..
http://www.sportscardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1354204
http://www.sportscardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1453460

gators241987
08-08-2011, 01:46 PM
I use both PSA and JSA. Only two I will use to authenticate items. Mistakes do happen, JSA gets theirs publicized more than PSA but both parties are just as guilty.

RedHottG2
08-08-2011, 08:11 PM
Could we all agree that this is a real Mantle ball ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250466448417&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
And if so what do you think I should offer for it ?
What do you think it would grade at ?

HOF collecting
08-08-2011, 08:14 PM
Yah but I wouldn't drop that for the ball it's not even a Bobby brown ball or anything I recognize even though it's UDA.
Let's help find him a good ball for a great price!

RedHottG2
08-08-2011, 08:22 PM
Let's help find him a good ball for a great price!
That would be awesome of you guys for sure. I would even offer a $25 finders fee for the nicest, cleanest ball possible. Thanks everyone!

Mike

HOF collecting
08-08-2011, 08:28 PM
eBay has a great ball w no7 under the graph for $575 I think you could get it for 450... Worth a try.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mickey-Mantle-signed-ball-NO-7-inscribed-PSA-DNA-/290595486040

RedHottG2
08-08-2011, 08:58 PM
eBay has a great ball w no7 under the graph for $575 I think you could get it for 450... Worth a try.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mickey-Mantle-signed-ball-NO-7-inscribed-PSA-DNA-/290595486040 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FMickey-Mantle-signed-ball-NO-7-inscribed-PSA-DNA-%2F290595486040)
That is a very nice ball for sure and will certainly keep that one way up on the list. Before I buy though gators241987 has a couple Mantle balls I want to take a look at. He says one or both would most likely grade a 9. Hopefully he will post pics here on the thread.

SportsLover57
08-08-2011, 09:40 PM
Great advice and you are certainly right. When I get my refund I am going to suggest he destroy the ball so it does not float around any longer in the industry. I'm beside myself right now..

It's highly unlikely your friend (who sold you the Mickey Mantle baseball) will destroy it. So don't expect him to. It's his business, after he gives you the refund. You'll be surprise what he'll try to do with it. And no, he won't destroy it. It's gotta go somewhere to someone who actually 'believes' it's an authentic Mickey Mantle baseball.

"HOF COLLECTING" said it best: "The integrity of that company is flawed." Well, the integrity of ANY autograph company is FLAWED. You see, 99% of the time, collectors think their autograph collection are 99% authentic.The other 1% is because they're too stubborn to believe it's fake. :sign0020:

Being a serious collector myself, it's a fun hobby to go out and collect autographs but when you dive deeper and deeper into the autograph world... your best bet would be to get autographs signed in person. Doing that comes at a higher cost than just purchasing autographs online.

Interested in hearing what your friend will say about that Mickey Mantle baseball. Keep us all informed. And would def like to know how much you bought it for.

RedHottG2
08-08-2011, 09:51 PM
Interested in hearing what your friend will say about that Mickey Mantle baseball. Keep us all informed. And would def like to know how much you bought it for.
He already gave me my money back today with no problem. He said "that was the advantage of buying from people you know and that he stands behind everything he sales to be authentic or a complete refund is in order." He also said he is going to send it to PSA / DNA himself for authentication and grading to see what happens. Brent is a stand up guy and I was never worried about getting my money back. Like I said on page 4, you never know what might happen when they get the ball to examine in person. I think they check for pen pressure points when the signer always pushed down a little harder in certain spots. It might pass, but I doubt it personally..

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 03:49 PM
I went ahead and submitted my offer of $450 on the No. 7 ball. Just didn't want it to get away..

SportsLover57
08-09-2011, 04:36 PM
I went ahead and submitted my offer of $450 on the No. 7 ball. Just didn't want it to get away..

You always...... and I mean ALWAYS have to becareful about 'rushing yourself' in the moment. Have you checked out the seller's history on the items he has sold on ebay?

I noticed he sold 3-4 Mickey Mantle baseballs. One of those Mickey Mantle baseballs also had a #7 inscription and it was sold for $335.00 with a PSA/DNA COA! Here's the link and scroll down to the 3rd column:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=riseandhigh&iid=290595486040&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=6&page=1

The item was sold on May 15, 2011. Now my other question is.... if he sold a Mickey Mantle baseball with the inscription #7 with a PSA/DNA COA for $335.00... then why the hell is he trying to sell another Mickey Mantle #7 inscription baseball with NO PSA/DNA COA (but only a PSA quick opinon) for $575.00? He's doubling the price and that's a big ripoff. There's no guarantee that the baseball will pass PSA certification with a grade of 9.0 or higher. It's a BIG RISK you're putting yourself into.

Plus he noted in his shipping and return policy: "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED"

I'm not trying to discourage you from buying this baseball. I'm just trying to encourage you to 'ask questions' and not get in the 'spur of the moment' feeling. Trust me, I've been in your shoes about being in that 'spur of the moment' when it came to getting an autographed baseball I desperately wanted. Plus I got scammed out of $120.00. Learned my lessons, bud. Just trying to teach you to keep an open mind because the autograph world isn't what it always seem to be. Research... research... and research.

Now is anyone skeptical of this seller on eBay who is selling a Mickey Mantle #7 baseball for $575.00.... kinda pushing it? Or is he hiding something? My hunch is, he still could've gotten the Mickey Mantle #7 baseball certified IF he wanted more money. But here's a scenario.... if he submitted it to PSA/DNA and it came back from PSA as being NOT GENUINE, then what other options did he have? Call me paranoid... but if you were the seller... what would you do? :sign0020:

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 05:04 PM
Well is it possible for me to retract my offer or is it to late ? Then I could also ask him these questions. I hate being new at all this!! But I appreciate all you guys looking out and trying to help me.

SportsLover57
08-09-2011, 05:13 PM
It's ok. I think you can still try to retract your offer. Go back on eBay and see if you can. From there, let us know if you succeeded in doing so. Also be sure to send the seller an email asking whatever questions you have in mind.

Besides, you have 4 days until the item expires. So you have plenty of time. From what I can tell, no one has bought it yet. Keep trying......

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 05:19 PM
OK I was able to retract the offer. Do you think I should go ahead and ask these questions and mention I noticed the $355.00 with a PSA / DNA COA ?

SportsLover57
08-09-2011, 06:24 PM
Keep your questions concise and to the point. Also, you can mention about the $355.00 PSA/DNA Mickey Mantle #7 auto baseball to him if you want. See what he says. Also ask him about the history of this Mickey Mantle #7 baseball he's selling right now. How did he obtain it? Where did he get it? What year did he buy it / receive it, etc?

Remember, Mantle died on Aug 13, 1995. (don't mention the date to him though). Just question the baseball. You'll learn something on the way.

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 06:59 PM
This the the message I have saved to send him. Let me know if this is good or if I need to add/change anything before I send it.


Hello, I have some questions about this Mantle ball I was hoping you could answer. I notice you sold a Mantle ball with the No. 7 inscription on May 15,2011 for $335 with a PSA/DNA COA. This ball only has a PSA quick opinion which does not guarantee it will pass authentication once submitted but you are asking $575 obo. Also your return policy is "no returns accepted" meaning if I sent the ball and it did not pass I would be stuck with it. Could you please explain your reasoning for the much higher price for this ball ?

Also could you give me some history on this Mantle No. 7 ball you are selling. How did you obtain it, where did you get it, What year did you buy it / receive it, etc?

Thank you for answering my questions because I am interested in it but just need some questions answered. Not trying to be difficult at all. Thank you!

Mike

leopards40
08-09-2011, 07:11 PM
Looks good to me :thumb:


This the the message I have saved to send him. Let me know if this is good or if I need to add/change anything before I send it.


Hello, I have some questions about this Mantle ball I was hoping you could answer. I notice you sold a Mantle ball with the No. 7 inscription on May 15,2011 for $335 with a PSA/DNA COA. This ball only has a PSA quick opinion which does not guarantee it will pass authentication once submitted but you are asking $575 obo. Also your return policy is "no returns accepted" meaning if I sent the ball and it did not pass I would be stuck with it. Could you please explain your reasoning for the much higher price for this ball ?

Also could you give me some history on this Mantle No. 7 ball you are selling. How did you obtain it, where did you get it, What year did you buy it / receive it, etc?

Thank you for answering my questions because I am interested in it but just need some questions answered. Not trying to be difficult at all. Thank you!

Mike

SportsLover57
08-09-2011, 07:23 PM
It looks good. Go ahead and send it. And let us know what he says. I'm interested in reading his reply. Good luck!


This the the message I have saved to send him. Let me know if this is good or if I need to add/change anything before I send it.


Hello, I have some questions about this Mantle ball I was hoping you could answer. I notice you sold a Mantle ball with the No. 7 inscription on May 15,2011 for $335 with a PSA/DNA COA. This ball only has a PSA quick opinion which does not guarantee it will pass authentication once submitted but you are asking $575 obo. Also your return policy is "no returns accepted" meaning if I sent the ball and it did not pass I would be stuck with it. Could you please explain your reasoning for the much higher price for this ball ?

Also could you give me some history on this Mantle No. 7 ball you are selling. How did you obtain it, where did you get it, What year did you buy it / receive it, etc?

Thank you for answering my questions because I am interested in it but just need some questions answered. Not trying to be difficult at all. Thank you!

Mike

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 07:29 PM
OK thanks guys, sent and I will let you know his response so we can figure out what to do next.

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 07:37 PM
His response:

Dear redhottg2,

No hard feelings about retracting your offer. I appreciate you looking at my baseballs. I want $500 for it, so I would have countered you back and still given you a $75 discount. It's the nicest and cheapest Mantle NO.7 on Ebay. It's a gorgeous ball with a probable 10 signature. If you've got any questions, please feel free to e-mail me and ask. Thanks again, Jeff

- riseandhigh

LOL!!! I thought I did ask him questions !?!?!/

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 07:49 PM
I just sent him a message back and told him these were my questions from my original message. Just copied and pasted them back in my new message. WOW!

HOF collecting
08-09-2011, 07:57 PM
That looks to be the ball I told you about.

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 07:59 PM
That looks to be the ball I told you about.
It is, that's the one I'm trying to get if everything turns out to be legit. I'm beginning to think this guy is a little off though (or he's avoiding my questions). HAHA

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 09:34 PM
Here is his latest response:

Dear redhottg2,

Hi Mike. The ball from May with the Mantle NO.7 was totally toned and spotted throughout, even on the signature. It was only a PSA/DNA quick opinion like this one is. The woman that bought it from me purchased it for her son. She had bought a Mantle ball the day before that the signature was not only fading, but the ink had run terribly. So she bought mine and sold that one at a loss. Contact her and ask her. She left me awesome feedback, as all my buyers have. I have 100% positive feedback and I'm pretty proud of that. The ball from Sept. 18th was a regular Mantle, no inscription. It was also quick opinion, and it brought $335. The last really nice Mantle No.7 I sold with a full LOA from PSA brought $650. The guy didn't even leave me feedback. That bothers me when you treat someone really good, and they don't leave you positive feedback. Anyway I guarantee that this ball will receive the full LOA form PSA/DNA if you decide to get it. If it didn't, I'd refund your purchase price and the authentication fee. If you bought and sent it out right away, you've got my guarantee for 60 days. I hope this helps. Thanks, Jeff

- riseandhigh

RedHottG2
08-09-2011, 09:35 PM
What do we do from here ?

SportsLover57
08-10-2011, 12:25 AM
What do we do from here ?

Contact the buyer 'magie45 (http://myworld.ebay.com/magie45)' and ask her about the Mickey Mantle #7 auto'd baseball she bought from him on May 15, 2011. Ask her if she sent it to PSA/DNA to get it certified (and whether or not she has received it).

Then ask the seller this question: "I want your 100% guarantee and written agreement that if I decide to send this baseball to PSA/DNA to get it certified and it does NOT come back 100% authentic, then you will fully refund the cost of this baseball plus the price of the authentication. This will NOT be done within 60 days. There will be NO time limit. I am planning to get this baseball certified as soon as I receive it from you. Do you agree to these terms?"

See how he responds to it. And if he does agree to your terms, then make sure you get a written agreement from him (and make sure he signs it, scans it, and sends it to you in a PDF format or whatever is convenient for him). Just my two cents.

RedHottG2
08-10-2011, 01:33 AM
Sent this and will wait for a response and let you know when I get it.

Dear magie45,

My name is Mike and I was wondering if you could tell me if you were satisfied with your Mickey Mantle signed ball Inscribed NO. 7 PSA/DNA (#290559893988) you purchased from seller riseandhigh. Have you sent it to PSA/DNA to get it authenticated, if so have you received it and what was the result ? I am considering buying a Mantle ball from him also and before I drop that kind of money I just want to be sure he and his balls are legit. Thank you for answering my questions.

Mike

- redhottg2

RedHottG2
08-12-2011, 03:33 PM
I have not received anything from the lady who bought the other Mantle ball from him yet. I decided to put together a message to send to him but want to make sure you guys like it first. Let me know if I need anything else..

Jeff, I am still interested in the Mantle ball. If we can agree to a couple terms then I believe we will have a deal.

FIRST: The price of the ball, you are at $500 and I am at $450. If you will meet me in the middle at $475 I will buy.


SECOND: I want your 100% guarantee and written agreement that if I decide to send this baseball to PSA/DNA to get it certified and it does NOT come back 100% authentic, then you will fully refund the cost of this baseball plus the price of the authentication. This will NOT be done within 60 days. There will be NO time limit. I am planning to get this baseball certified as soon as I receive it from you. Do you agree to these terms?

If so, then I need a written agreement from you stating everything above with both of our names, price $575, date, and that it is for the Mantle ball with eBay item number then signed by you. Once you have the paper put together just scan it and send to me in PDF format (or whatever is convenient for you).

Thanks,
Mike

SportsLover57
08-12-2011, 04:34 PM
Looks good. Just send it and you'll be ok. The sooner you send it, the better. Take risks. Anything you don't understand, always ask.

RedHottG2
08-12-2011, 08:07 PM
He just sent me a message:

Dear redhottg2,

Hey Mike, check out item# 200638233034 It just sold 5 minutes ago. It didn't even have a PSA/DNA Quick Opinion. Plus I think mine's nicer. JMO. Jeff

- riseandhigh


My response to this:

Dear riseandhigh,

No argument here, I'm just not one of the 24 that would have bid on it w/o the right paperwork / protection. You have a REAL buyer here ready to paypal. BTW you have an Email and if we can get this done I am ready to buy. Thanks again Jeff!

- redhottg2

RedHottG2
08-12-2011, 08:09 PM
His response to the Email:

Hi Mike. I might consider the $475 offer at this time, but the open end guarantee to send to PSA is too long. I sent almost all of my things to PSA/DNA. I only live about 20 minutes from them. If you sent it and it took a week (and it shouldn't) to get there, then it takes 21 days maximum to authenticate, then a week back to you (and it shouldn't), you'd have the ball back and authenticated in approx. 4-5 weeks. So, I'll have to think about an open ended forever agreement. Also, in all the years I've been in the sports memorabilia hobby (collecting, buying and selling), I've never had an item that was "Likely Genuine" on a quick opinion, turned down. I'll think about it for a few days, and get back to you for sure. BTW, I don't follow about the $590 total? If we can make a deal (if I agree) then it would be $475 for the ball plus $10.95 shipping to you paid thru Paypal. How or what it costs you to mail it to PSA is your business and cost, not mine. Also, PSA will want you to pay them for return shipping in advance. You might already know that. Thanks, Jeff


My response to this:

Alright sounds good, like I said I will send it as soon as I receive it from you so 60 days is alright with me. As far as the total I would be alright with $585 with the PSA fee's and the original shipping. Does that sound right to you ? If this is all good send me the agreement and I will paypal you when you send an invoice for $475 plus shipping and let's do this thing. Thanks Jeff!

SportsLover57
08-12-2011, 10:39 PM
RedHottG2: Looks good to me, Mike. I'd be really interested in hearing whether or not it passes PSA/DNA authentication. Do keep us informed even if it's weeks or months down the road.

Good luck!

RedHottG2
08-12-2011, 10:42 PM
RedHottG2: Looks good to me, Mike. I'd be really interested in hearing whether or not it passes PSA/DNA authentication. Do keep us informed even if it's weeks or months down the road.

Good luck!
I will do for sure (and post pics), the last thing I would do is not let you guys know how this turns out with all the help given to me. I still might have questions though because we have not secured the deal yet.. If I get it it will be sent out immediately that same week to PSA.

RedHottG2
08-12-2011, 10:46 PM
I just hate to think that if we don't put this together I wasted all you guys time. BUT one thing is for sure, I have learned a lot and know what to look for and handle the next Mantle purchase if it comes to that. You guys are the best and I could not have done it w/o you!!

RedHottG2
08-14-2011, 06:42 PM
Well the ball ended and no one bought it but he just stopped replying to my emails. So I guess this was not the one for me to buy. He didn't seem like he was very willing to do what I was asking so I didn't feel good about it anyway. On to the next one..

SportsLover57
08-15-2011, 10:31 PM
Well the ball ended and no one bought it but he just stopped replying to my emails. So I guess this was not the one for me to buy. He didn't seem like he was very willing to do what I was asking so I didn't feel good about it anyway. On to the next one..

If he wasn't willing to help answer your questions, then that tells you a lot about his character. Otherwise, at least you were assertive and aggressive in your approach. So learn to negotiate and things will follow.

RedHottG2
08-16-2011, 05:38 AM
If he wasn't willing to help answer your questions, then that tells you a lot about his character. Otherwise, at least you were assertive and aggressive in your approach. So learn to negotiate and things will follow.
Well he has it back up and after learning and listening to your help I thought. He could have just copied and pasted all his info from another quick opinion on to his listing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mickey-Mantle-signed-ball-NO-7-inscribed-PSA-DNA-/290599686215?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a9175047 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FMickey-Mantle-signed-ball-NO-7-inscribed-PSA-DNA-%2F290599686215%3Fpt%3DLH_DefaultDomain_0%26hash%3 Ditem43a9175047)

I mean I would have posted the link for it like I just got before I bid and bought:
http://www.psacard.com/quickopinion/viewopinion.aspx?id=4Xal%2f2crXUsA

^^ This has all the info for you to see w/o just a copied and pasted reference. (I'm learning) huh ? :thumb:

Vegas
08-16-2011, 04:57 PM
Redhott,

Due to all the Mantle forgeries, I would just recommend buying a UDA ball. You will probably pay a little more for it, but you will have piece of mind that it's legit. I have a Mantle ball and a Ted Williams ball and they are both UDA, I just didn't want to take any chances. I have tracked the eBay sales of Mantle balls the last few years and here's the average sales price:

Clean, white UDA Mantle - $550
Minor toning UDA Mantle - $450
"No. 7" Inscribed UDA Mantle - $650

Note: The best No.7 UDA ball I've ever seen just sold for $957 on eBay, but that was a bit of an outlier due to the condition, here a link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MICKEY-MANTLE-HOF-NO-7-SIGNED-AUTO-OML-BASEBALL-UDA-/110721812738?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c788c902 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FMICKEY-MANTLE-HOF-NO-7-SIGNED-AUTO-OML-BASEBALL-UDA-%2F110721812738%3Fpt%3DLH_DefaultDomain_0%26hash%3 Ditem19c788c902)

Hope that helps you a bit, good luck with your quest!

RedHottG2
09-04-2011, 07:28 PM
You guys are not going to believe this!!

I am going through a divorce and selling my personal collection on eBay right now. I don't have everything listed yet, but I do have the DiMaggio ball listed that I bought from the same guy that sold me the original Mantle ball that I got my money back from after getting the PSA/DNA quick opinion back of "Likely Not Genuine".

On to today, I was not getting very many bids on the DiMaggio ball and started to get concerned. SO I paid for a quick opinion to help sell the ball and display in the description. It comes back "Likely Not Genuine" ALSO!!!
So I will be getting my money back from him on this one also.

I need some help, I have contacted the bidders on the DiMaggio ball and told them the situation. My question is, I tried to end the auction but it would not let me. How do I pull it from eBay ? I'm not trying to screw anyone and just need to get this ball off of my listings.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140601019603?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

http://www.psacard.com/quickopinion/viewopinion.aspx?id=Ai5usaMp%2fdYA

blackmamba_24
09-04-2011, 07:42 PM
Go to all selling then over on the side it would say "more actions", then click end listing. I have a UDA mickey mantle ball that i can sell you. Full paper work and etc for a good deal. Also have that larry douby!

RedHottG2
09-04-2011, 07:53 PM
Go to all selling then over on the side it would say "more actions", then click end listing. I have a UDA mickey mantle ball that i can sell you. Full paper work and etc for a good deal. Also have that larry douby!
Just ended it, thanks for helping me figure that out. As far as buying anything I am going through a divorce and selling my collection so not buying anything. Thanks though

blackmamba_24
09-04-2011, 07:56 PM
Just ended it, thanks for helping me figure that out. As far as buying anything I am going through a divorce and selling my collection so not buying anything. Thanks though

No problem. Man sorry to hear that. Anyways best of luck. Hope everthing is civil!

joed54321
09-04-2011, 09:17 PM
Not a good idea to do quick opinion on your own account. Ebay gets this info from Psa and they could use it against you, they could freeze your account for a period of time and downgrade your status. I don't think one fail from Psa will do that but you really shouldn't do that again. Peace.

dotydogg
09-05-2011, 08:17 PM
Nice Joe ball it should get a 9 or better

RedHottG2
09-05-2011, 11:21 PM
Nice Joe ball it should get a 9 or better
It's fake, I got the quick opinion back from PSA/DNA. Going to get the money back from the guy (friend) I bought it from though..

gators241987
09-06-2011, 06:57 AM
They did that when Quick Opinion first started but due to the influx of people actually submitting the graphs after a failed QO and then actually being passed, they stopped doing this. Thats all it simply is, just a quick opinion and has no actual merit or weight on anything. Ive sent in PSA verified IP graphs that they declined, sent in actual graphs signed in front of me, they declined, sent in MLB authenticated, steiner, etc. all declined on quick opinion. Honestly its just a waste of 7.95. But back to the original point, PSA doesnt send the results over to Ebay anymore so no worries.


Not a good idea to do quick opinion on your own account. Ebay gets this info from Psa and they could use it against you, they could freeze your account for a period of time and downgrade your status. I don't think one fail from Psa will do that but you really shouldn't do that again. Peace.