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mrveggieman
08-09-2011, 10:00 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/uk-pm-recalls-parliament-london-riot-crisis-122431993.html

Star_Cards
08-09-2011, 12:53 PM
Sad to see that there are people that think doing anything like this gets them any results. Although it seems like mostly these are people just out to destroy stuff. Complete mob mentality. All they are doing is hurting their local citizens and business owners.

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 12:55 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

I thought everything was wonderful in the marxist/socialists world......

Star_Cards
08-09-2011, 01:18 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

I thought everything was wonderful in the marxist/socialists world......

stupid is stupid no matter what you want to classify them as. They hardly represent any specific political group.

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 01:23 PM
stupid is stupid no matter what you want to classify them as. They hardly represent any specific political group.
Actually I was talking about Britian as a whole. Things aren't as peachy as one would be lead to believe. Socialism does not equal happiness.

Star_Cards
08-09-2011, 01:28 PM
I don't think they are a complete socialist society, but even if they were, people would be naive to think this sort of thing still wouldn't exist. there's always going to be upset people and or stupid people.

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 01:37 PM
I don't think they are a complete socialist society, but even if they were, people would be naive to think this sort of thing still wouldn't exist. there's always going to be upset people and or stupid people.
No one is completely socialist. Even China isn't completely communist. But neither work. You run out of someone else's money at some point.

mrveggieman
08-09-2011, 03:02 PM
No one is completely socialist. Even China isn't completely communist. But neither work. You run out of someone else's money at some point.


And neither does cutting taxes for the rich, cutting social programs and over spending on uneccessary wars but you conservatives tend to forget about that. :winking0071:

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 03:20 PM
And neither does cutting taxes for the rich, cutting social programs and over spending on uneccessary wars but you conservatives tend to forget about that. :winking0071:
Actually, if you read another thread on this board, cutting taxes does work. Cutting social programs and fraud/abuse is neccessary as is war at times. Spoken like a true lefty/socialist.:winking0071:

pghin08
08-09-2011, 03:23 PM
Actually, if you read another thread on this board, cutting taxes does work. Cutting social programs and fraud/abuse is neccessary as is war at times. Spoken like a true lefty/socialist.:winking0071:


Two things:

1. "Lefty" and "Socialist" don't mean the same things. I don't care what Glenn Beck told you.

2. I'm not sure anyone on here is propagating some "socialist utopia". Every political/economic system has its perks and drawbacks. If we found a perfect one, nobody would use anything else.

lloydr04
08-09-2011, 03:27 PM
Two things:

1. "Lefty" and "Socialist" don't mean the same things. I don't care what Glenn Beck told you.

2. I'm not sure anyone on here is propagating some "socialist utopia". Every political/economic system has its perks and drawbacks. If we found a perfect one, nobody would use anything else.

Qft , I don't respond much but dude above you really needs to give it a rest lol...

mrveggieman
08-09-2011, 03:28 PM
Actually, if you read another thread on this board, cutting taxes does work. Cutting social programs and fraud/abuse is neccessary as is war at times. Spoken like a true lefty/socialist.:winking0071:


Right and we all know how gwb's tax cuts for the rich worked out for all of us. Ask anyone who was used to making 6 figures who now has to get paid by the hour. :boxing:

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 03:29 PM
Two things:

1. "Lefty" and "Socialist" don't mean the same things. I don't care what Glenn Beck told you.

2. I'm not sure anyone on here is propagating some "socialist utopia". Every political/economic system has its perks and drawbacks. If we found a perfect one, nobody would use anything else.

Just like liberal doesn't mean what it used to. Truth is, Marx was not a conservative no matter what the huffpo says...:sign0020:

mrveggieman
08-09-2011, 03:41 PM
Qft , I don't respond much but dude above you really needs to give it a rest lol...


I disagree. We need a forum fool that we can all laugh at. :sign0020:

pghin08
08-09-2011, 03:53 PM
Just like liberal doesn't mean what it used to. Truth is, Marx was not a conservative no matter what the huffpo says...:sign0020:

Haha, I can't even read the Huffington Post. People shouldn't ever consider that a news site. A lot of my fellow liberals love to go around quoting stuff they find on there. Talk about an agenda.

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 03:58 PM
Haha, I can't even read the Huffington Post. People shouldn't ever consider that a news site. A lot of my fellow liberals love to go around quoting stuff they find on there. Talk about an agenda.
:sign0020::party0053: There's hope for you yet....:hug:

pghin08
08-09-2011, 04:04 PM
:sign0020::party0053: There's hope for you yet....:hug:

Haha, I don't like partisan hackery on EITHER side. Most of my opinions are a result of my own research and source hunting (as I would hope most people's are). If I only have a cursory knowledge of something, I usually just shut my mouth until I can formulate an opinion. You can't just read The Blaze or Huffington Post and then claim yourself to have a well-rounded knowledge of the subject matter. Though a lot of people do.

mrveggieman
08-09-2011, 04:06 PM
Haha, I don't like partisan hackery on EITHER side. Most of my opinions are a result of my own research and source hunting (as I would hope most people's are). If I only have a cursory knowledge of something, I usually just shut my mouth until I can formulate an opinion. You can't just read The Blaze or Huffington Post and then claim yourself to have a well-rounded knowledge of the subject matter. Though a lot of people do.


Yeah just like some of our conservative buddies who quote the drudge report like it is the word of god.

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 04:07 PM
Haha, I don't like partisan hackery on EITHER side. Most of my opinions are a result of my own research and source hunting (as I would hope most people's are). If I only have a cursory knowledge of something, I usually just shut my mouth until I can formulate an opinion. You can't just read The Blaze or Huffington Post and then claim yourself to have a well-rounded knowledge of the subject matter. Though a lot of people do.
I would agree. Even though I am far right, I like to hear the other side. It usually makes my head hurt, but it is someones view on life....:winking0071:

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 04:09 PM
Yeah just like some of our conservative buddies who quote the drudge report like it is the word of god.
If you are insinuating me again, I've actually never been to the drudge report. I'd rather NRO, heritage, and rarely becks blaze...:winking0071:

mrveggieman
08-09-2011, 04:14 PM
If you are insinuating me again, I've actually never been to the drudge report. I'd rather NRO, heritage, and rarely becks blaze...:winking0071:

No it wasn't you for a change. :winking0071:

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 04:17 PM
No it wasn't you for a change. :winking0071:
lol, now I'm sad and fell left out...:winking0071:

mrveggieman
08-09-2011, 04:21 PM
lol, now I'm sad and fell left out...:winking0071:


Don't be. I'm sure that you will find some other way to put your foot in your mouth for us to clown you. :sign0020:

INTIMADATOR2007
08-09-2011, 08:58 PM
I disagree. We need a forum fool that we can all laugh at. :sign0020:
Tag your it .....:sign0020:

Hairylemon
08-09-2011, 09:06 PM
Well that soon got to bashing each other. As a Brit I would like to point out that our government is Conservative. The Prime Minister is the leader of the Conservative party. Since they have been in...

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 09:56 PM
From what I read it's the Labour party that put you in the dumps. Didn't they run the country down the tank the last 13 years or so? Didn't Thatcher have to come rework the country after the labour...

Hairylemon
08-09-2011, 10:34 PM
From what I read it's the Labour party that put you in the dumps. Didn't they run the country down the tank the last 13 years or so? Didn't Thatcher have to come rework the country after the labour debacle before her?

Thatcher destroyed Britain during her terms, she destroyed industry, put millions out of work, sold off commodities to foreign concerns, privatised the public transport system (which is now woeful), sold off social housing creating a shortage. She made the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Labour may have made mistakes in their policy, but I will tell you this, the Conservatives would do everything they can to hammer the lower classes regardless of what the previous government did. It's their way. The party of the rich.

What government caused the Poll Tax riots?
The Miners Strike riots?
The Student riots?
The riots in London right now?

Conservative, thats who. Oh and please stop saying Europe is Marxist, because it's not and never has been. Except of course eastern Europe.

sanfran22
08-09-2011, 11:15 PM
Thatcher destroyed Britain during her terms, she destroyed industry, put millions out of work, sold off commodities to foreign concerns, privatised the public transport system (which is now woeful), sold off social housing creating a shortage. She made the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Labour may have made mistakes in their policy, but I will tell you this, the Conservatives would do everything they can to hammer the lower classes regardless of what the previous government did. It's their way. The party of the rich.

What government caused the Poll Tax riots?
The Miners Strike riots?
The Student riots?
The riots in London right now?

Conservative, thats who. Oh and please stop saying Europe is Marxist, because it's not and never has been. Except of course eastern Europe.
Not sure I believe all the problems were from Thatcher. Didn't the socialist party create the poll tax riots? wasn't it sort of the fair tax discussed here in the usa?
The mine riots were because she wanted to close mines that were underperforming? It was also done to bust up those unions that were sucking the gov't dry?? Seems like the public was on Thatchers side on the matter.

You really don't think you have Marxist Philosophies over there? After the war you didn't lean toward Marxist philosophies? It seems these things you bring up relate to that pretty well.
" From a Marxist perspective, inequality is a long term and inevitable consequence of the capitalist system."
Seems like what you've discussed can relate?

Hairylemon
08-10-2011, 12:23 AM
The people created the poll tax riots, it was demonstrations against an unfair tax, the fact it got out of hand was due to heavy handed policing. I know this because I was there. The Miners had the right to strike as the government was wiping out an entire industry and putting thousands of workers and towns on the scrap heap. Many of those areas have still not recovered. If you kill the industry surely you should have a policy in place that will get the guys bck into work. Thatcher just left them high and dry.

The unions were defending their members, I don't follow how a Union can suck dry a government. Also if the country votes in a Conservative government how can it be Marxist. Whe Thatcher finally dies there will be thousands lining up to dance on her grave. To some she was a saviour, to others in the working classes she was a curse.

To get back on the current unrest, this is happening in the areas the the current government has forgotten. Education minister Gove has ended the Labour inner city education program, he has cut youth funding to almost zero. The young in this area has been forgotten and has got angry. I'm sensible enough to know rioting is not the answer,but it was going to happen. These areas are a powder keg waiting to explode. This government is in bed with big business and the bankers and is always going to hammer the lower classes, it's the Conservative way.

mrveggieman
08-10-2011, 08:48 AM
The people created the poll tax riots, it was demonstrations against an unfair tax, the fact it got out of hand was due to heavy handed policing. I know this because I was there. The Miners had the right to strike as the government was wiping out an entire industry and putting thousands of workers and towns on the scrap heap. Many of those areas have still not recovered. If you kill the industry surely you should have a policy in place that will get the guys bck into work. Thatcher just left them high and dry.

The unions were defending their members, I don't follow how a Union can suck dry a government. Also if the country votes in a Conservative government how can it be Marxist. Whe Thatcher finally dies there will be thousands lining up to dance on her grave. To some she was a saviour, to others in the working classes she was a curse.

To get back on the current unrest, this is happening in the areas the the current government has forgotten. Education minister Gove has ended the Labour inner city education program, he has cut youth funding to almost zero. The young in this area has been forgotten and has got angry. I'm sensible enough to know rioting is not the answer,but it was going to happen. These areas are a powder keg waiting to explode. This government is in bed with big business and the bankers and is always going to hammer the lower classes, it's the Conservative way.


So sad but true. This is coming from someone who is actually in Europe and sees the damage first hand that conservative poilcies that are designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. I will listen to him before I will listen to a conservative fan boy who gets all of his news and information from fox news.

mrveggieman
08-10-2011, 09:18 AM
http://www.ajc.com/business/cameron-uk-wont-let-1093195.html

sanfran22
08-10-2011, 10:08 AM
So sad but true. This is coming from someone who is actually in Europe and sees the damage first hand that conservative poilcies that are designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. I will listen to him before I will listen to a conservative fan boy who gets all of his news and information from fox news.
Lol, You'll listen to anything that spits out liberal garbage....:winking0071:

mrveggieman
08-10-2011, 11:05 AM
Lol, You'll listen to anything that spits out liberal garbage....:winking0071:


Don't be mad because I put all of your conservativism right where it belongs...in the garbage. :winking0071:

sanfran22
08-10-2011, 11:06 AM
Don't be mad because I put all of your conservativism right where it belongs...in the garbage. :winking0071:
Hahahaha, classic.:lie:

sanfran22
08-11-2011, 04:27 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html

Hairylemon
08-12-2011, 01:47 AM
SanFran, thanks for calling me an anything, lol. The Daily Mail is the most right wing paper in the UK, like fox news but only in print. Max Hastings may be a great writer of military history, his D Day book is second to none. As a political writer, well he is a total Tory/Conservative fanboy. Lets blame Liberals, lets blame the parents. It's not a Liberal government killing all the inner city programs is it? Blaming the parents is pretty funny, because they were brought up under a Conservative government.

I don't condone the riots in anyway, I think those caught looting should face the maximum sentence, but I understand why they happened, it has been coming ever since the Conservatives took over. Sad but true. Calling me a Liberal or looney lefty is not going to change facts.