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AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 10:19 AM
Anyone?

sanfran22
08-16-2011, 10:23 AM
Annnnnnnnddddd, crickets lol........may be the shortest thread in the forum ;)

pghin08
08-16-2011, 10:26 AM
Haha, hold your horses, I'm preparing a response.

sanfran22
08-16-2011, 10:32 AM
Haha, hold your horses, I'm preparing a response.
lol, well at least you are one of the sensible ones that can hold a discussion:winking0071:.

mrveggieman
08-16-2011, 10:36 AM
How about troop withdrawal in Iraq? Oh wait a minute aren't you guys in favor of this unjust and illegal war? I guess that you won't accept that. What about attempting to provide health care for the uninsured? Your beloved republican party put a stop to that. What about providing stimilus money for the states? Hmm aren't the states that complained the loudest against the stimulus were the first ones with their hands out. Coincidently they were the ones with republican govenors. It looks like when President Obama tries to do what's right by this country a republican or several of them for that matter always has a problem with it. SMH

AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 10:36 AM
lol, well at least you are one of the sensible ones that can hold a discussion:winking0071:.

No kidding.

pghin08
08-16-2011, 10:37 AM
- Created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Just now really getting its footing (no clue why he hasn't appointed Elizabeth Warren to head this though). Should crack down on predatory lending.

- I know this from personal experience, he's really helped protect college students. He's helped expand the amount of time needed to pay loans, and has worked hard to try to keep interest rates in check. Rates SKYROCKETED in Bush's second term (My first Stafford loan in 2005 was at 2.4%, my last one in 2009 was at 6.6%). He's also significantly increased Pell grants, designed for smart young kids who could have trouble paying for college.

- Signed a Nuclear Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia (which after the end of the Cold War, was absolutely necessary)

- Just passed a new fuel emissions standards. If you buy a new car after 2025, it will now get 55 MPG or more.

- The Lily Ledbetter Act- ensuring fair pay for women (believe it or not, women still make about 30% less than men for doing the same jobs)

- He's actually cut taxes for small businesses (I work in one, I've seen it.)

- He did authorize the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, and has killed just about as many top al-Qaeda officers as Bush did in 8 years.


That's just some of the things I feel he's done right. I haven't been a fan of everything he's done, like some people claim to be. I hate that he extended the Bush tax plan, hasn't closed Guantanamo, the stimulus package needed to be better appropriated (though there was unmatched transparency of where it went), among other things. But he's not all bad, people.

pghin08
08-16-2011, 10:38 AM
haha, thanks fellas.

sanfran22
08-16-2011, 10:41 AM
How about troop withdrawal in Iraq? Oh wait a minute aren't you guys in favor of this unjust and illegal war? I guess that you won't accept that. What about attempting to provide health care for the uninsured? Your beloved republican party put a stop to that. What about providing stimilus money for the states? Hmm aren't the states that complained the loudest against the stimulus were the first ones with their hands out. Coincidently they were the ones with republican govenors. It looks like when President Obama tries to do what's right by this country a republican or several of them for that matter always has a problem with it. SMH
Taxman, I'll let you handle this one as I've discussed all this before and it doesn't resonate. Maybe a different perspective will help:sign0020:.

AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 10:43 AM
How about troop withdrawal in Iraq? Oh wait a minute aren't you guys in favor of this unjust and illegal war? I guess that you won't accept that.

I am in favor of pulling out of both Iraq and Afghanistan. You would know this if you had actually been interested in discussing the topic as opposed to projecting what you think I believe onto me.


What about attempting to provide health care for the uninsured? Your beloved republican party put a stop to that.

Attempting to provide health care for the uninsured is a noble cause, but it must be accomplished affordably, transparently, and Constitutionally. The President has failed on all fronts.


What about providing stimilus money for the states? Hmm aren't the states that complained the loudest against the stimulus were the first ones with their hands out. Coincidently they were the ones with republican govenors.

Can you substantiate this claim?

mrveggieman
08-16-2011, 11:04 AM
I am in favor of pulling out of both Iraq and Afghanistan. You would know this if you had actually been interested in discussing the topic as opposed to projecting what you think I believe onto me.



Attempting to provide health care for the uninsured is a noble cause, but it must be accomplished affordably, transparently, and Constitutionally. The President has failed on all fronts.



Can you substantiate this claim?


Were you against the Iraq war since day one or are you only for troop withdrawal since the war is not "cool" anymore?

sanfran22
08-16-2011, 11:10 AM
Were you against the Iraq war since day one or are you only for troop withdrawal since the war is not "cool" anymore?
So you were against any response to 9/11?

pghin08
08-16-2011, 11:12 AM
So you were against any response to 9/11?

He was probably just against the wrong one.

andrewhoya
08-16-2011, 11:14 AM
I know this from personal experience, he's really helped protect college students.

Not in Maryland.

Or Virginia.

Or West Virginia.

sanfran22
08-16-2011, 11:15 AM
He was probably just against the wrong one.
Truthfully, I'd be ok with any kneejerk reaction to make a point. We needed to make a statement and that was a place we figured we could do it in (just a guess on my part). He's against Afghanistan as well, so he has no dog in the fight. Also, remember congrees approved the "illegal" war. So to blame it all on Bush is stupid.

pghin08
08-16-2011, 11:17 AM
Not in Maryland.

Or Virginia.

Or West Virginia.


How not? Short of driving the cost of tuition down (which he has absolutely no authority to do), he's done everything he could.

(P.S.- Thanks for responding to my post. I was beginning to feel like the Tim Pawlenty of SCF, just up there talking with nobody listening :winking0071:)

mrveggieman
08-16-2011, 11:19 AM
So you were against any response to 9/11?


Yes there should have been a response against 9/11 just go after the right country. What gwb did in attacking iraq because of 9/11 was akin to getting robbed and beat up in nyc and going to california and shooting up everyone you see because of it.

andrewhoya
08-16-2011, 11:20 AM
How not? Short of driving the cost of tuition down (which he has absolutely no authority to do), he's done everything he could.

(P.S.- Thanks for responding to my post. I was beginning to feel like the Tim Pawlenty of SCF, just up there talking with nobody listening :winking0071:)

The loan rates have stayed steady in these three states since he arrived in office. Not sure about others. Pell grants have been increased, but not significantly.

While he hasn't HURT them, he hasn't really helped them.

andrewhoya
08-16-2011, 11:21 AM
(P.S.- Thanks for responding to my post. I was beginning to feel like the Tim Pawlenty of SCF, just up there talking with nobody listening :winking0071:

Trust me, I always read your posts. You're one of the people who I enjoy listening to on here. You don't go ballistic like some others :) Just don't usually reply.

pghin08
08-16-2011, 11:22 AM
Truthfully, I'd be ok with any kneejerk reaction to make a point. We needed to make a statement and that was a place we figured we could do it in (just a guess on my part). He's against Afghanistan as well, so he has no dog in the fight. Also, remember congrees approved the "illegal" war. So to blame it all on Bush is stupid.

Totally agree. There's a great book that I've mentioned on here before about 9/11 and its aftermath called "The Eleventh Day". It's a pretty non-partisaned book (scoffs at radical conspiracy theories, and is critical of both the Bush and Clinton administrations).

The book, along with most others I've read on the subject, pins the responsibility of the Iraq invasion almost squarely on the shoulders of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. Iraq was NOT a kneejerk reaction (remember, it took almost 2 years), rather, it was a calculated ploy. I don't think many people are truly against the war in Afghanistan. After all, that's where most of al-Qaeda was based (with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan also being monumentally important to their cause). The American people were absolutely deceived by the administration in regards to the Iraq War.

pghin08
08-16-2011, 11:25 AM
Trust me, I always read your posts. You're one of the people who I enjoy listening to on here. You don't go ballistic like some others :) Just don't usually reply.

Appreciate it. And in regards to Obama's dealings with college students, helping keep rates steady was hugely helpful. I was in college during the prime years of the rate hikes, and it was extremely painful.

As an aside, college is the next American "bubble". Defaulting on college loans has increased exponentially in the past 20 years with the rise of for-profit universities, all while rates skyrocket along with public and private university tuition, and while more people are going to college than ever. This will absolutely blow up someday.

andrewhoya
08-16-2011, 11:59 AM
Appreciate it. And in regards to Obama's dealings with college students, helping keep rates steady was hugely helpful. I was in college during the prime years of the rate hikes, and it was extremely painful.

As an aside, college is the next American "bubble". Defaulting on college loans has increased exponentially in the past 20 years with the rise of for-profit universities, all while rates skyrocket along with public and private university tuition, and while more people are going to college than ever. This will absolutely blow up someday.

He kept it from getting worse. IMO, there's a difference between stopping something bad and making something better. Yes he helped it (pains me to say it :mmph:, but he didn't really improve it.

AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 12:05 PM
- Created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Just now really getting its footing (no clue why he hasn't appointed Elizabeth Warren to head this though). Should crack down on predatory lending.

- I know this from personal experience, he's really helped protect college students. He's helped expand the amount of time needed to pay loans, and has worked hard to try to keep interest rates in check. Rates SKYROCKETED in Bush's second term (My first Stafford loan in 2005 was at 2.4%, my last one in 2009 was at 6.6%). He's also significantly increased Pell grants, designed for smart young kids who could have trouble paying for college.

- Signed a Nuclear Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia (which after the end of the Cold War, was absolutely necessary)

- Just passed a new fuel emissions standards. If you buy a new car after 2025, it will now get 55 MPG or more.

- The Lily Ledbetter Act- ensuring fair pay for women (believe it or not, women still make about 30% less than men for doing the same jobs)

- He's actually cut taxes for small businesses (I work in one, I've seen it.)

- He did authorize the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, and has killed just about as many top al-Qaeda officers as Bush did in 8 years.


That's just some of the things I feel he's done right. I haven't been a fan of everything he's done, like some people claim to be. I hate that he extended the Bush tax plan, hasn't closed Guantanamo, the stimulus package needed to be better appropriated (though there was unmatched transparency of where it went), among other things. But he's not all bad, people.

Good stuff. Will get to them when I have time.

AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 12:16 PM
Were you against the Iraq war since day one or are you only for troop withdrawal since the war is not "cool" anymore?

My past views on the topic are irrelevant to the discussion. I have never criticized Obama for remaining in Iraq.

mrveggieman
08-16-2011, 01:15 PM
I have never criticized Obama for remaining in Iraq.


Why dosen't that surprise me?

AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 01:21 PM
Why dosen't that surprise me?

Not what I meant. What I meant was that I have criticized Obama for remaining in Iraq. The "never" part was a typo. Typing while on the phone is a dangerous thing.

Like I originally said, I want us out of both of those places as soon as possible. Nothing is to be gained over there at the expense we are paying.

AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 03:01 PM
- Created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Just now really getting its footing (no clue why he hasn't appointed Elizabeth Warren to head this though). Should crack down on predatory lending.

Wasn't the main problem with this that it created a new czar and gave them essentially unfettered regulatory power?

pghin08
08-16-2011, 03:10 PM
Wasn't the main problem with this that it created a new czar and gave them essentially unfettered regulatory power?

Yes and no. It would have created a new czar, had Obama officially appointed Elizabeth Warren (he hasn't yet). And it doesn't give them "unfettered regulatory power" because that's completely unrealistic (The SEC has massive regulatory power, but is woefully too understaffed to do an adequate job, though the auditors we recently had at our firm were thorough). It does give them the power to punish banks that engage in extreme forms of predatory lending.

Here's a good Business Week article on Warren and the CFPB from last month or so:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/elizabeth-warren-champion-of-consumer-financial-protection-07072011.html

AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Yes and no. It would have created a new czar, had Obama officially appointed Elizabeth Warren (he hasn't yet). And it doesn't give them "unfettered regulatory power" because that's completely unrealistic (The SEC has massive regulatory power, but is woefully too understaffed to do an adequate job, though the auditors we recently had at our firm were thorough). It does give them the power to punish banks that engage in extreme forms of predatory lending.

Here's a good Business Week article on Warren and the CFPB from last month or so:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/elizabeth-warren-champion-of-consumer-financial-protection-07072011.html

It is still too much power in the hands of one. The SEC, FDIC, Fed, etc. all led by a board, not just one person.

pghin08
08-16-2011, 03:19 PM
It is still too much power in the hands of one. The SEC, FDIC, Fed, etc. all led by a board, not just one person.

Frankly, I don't have a problem with it either way, whether Warren took it herself, or their was a 12 person board. It's a massive undertaking with tons of people responsible, no matter what. But it's something that could definitely help the American consumer.

AUTaxMan
08-16-2011, 03:20 PM
Frankly, I don't have a problem with it either way, whether Warren took it herself, or their was a 12 person board. It's a massive undertaking with tons of people responsible, no matter what. But it's something that could definitely help the American consumer.

Time will tell whether it actually provides any benefit. Maybe so, maybe not. I like the idea, just not the implementation.

pghin08
08-16-2011, 03:25 PM
Time will tell whether it actually provides any benefit. Maybe so, maybe not. I like the idea, just not the implementation.

Undoubtedly. I have some faith in it though.

duane1969
08-16-2011, 09:51 PM
How about troop withdrawal in Iraq? Oh wait a minute aren't you guys in favor of this unjust and illegal war?

Would have happened with or without Obama. A main running point of both sides was to bring the troops home. I give him credit for doing it but not for doing anything that wouldn't have been done anyway.


What about attempting to provide health care for the uninsured? Your beloved republican party put a stop to that.

Ummm... A.) Obamacare doesn't provide free insurance for the underpriviledged, Medicaid and Medicare already do that. Obamacare just criminalized not having insurance and placed a huge burder on small businesses making it that much harder for them to succeed.

B.) I have no idea where you get that the republicans stopped Obamacare. Obamacare passed in spite of something like 80% of Americans saying that they were against it.


What about providing stimilus money for the states? Hmm aren't the states that complained the loudest against the stimulus were the first ones with their hands out. Coincidently they were the ones with republican govenors.

Considering the two states that have received the most money (CA & NY) are Democratic controlled states it would appear that they are the states with their hands out the most. So you are wrong, they are the ones with Democrats in control.

Also, there were no states with their hands out "first" as all states were awarded funds at the same time. There was no line.


It looks like when President Obama tries to do what's right by this country a republican or several of them for that matter always has a problem with it. SMH

Actually it appears that the best thing he has ever done (bring home troops) is what any other president would have done. Other than that he has just spent a lot of taxpayer dollars and all we have to show for it is we still sit at over 9% unemployment, still have a struggling economy, still have no health care reform, still have no welfare reform, still have a government policy of overspending and still have a long-term fiscal plan that involves raising the debt ceiling as a response to overspending...all things that Obama promised to fix.

andrewhoya
08-16-2011, 10:05 PM
Well stated, Duane.

pghin08
08-17-2011, 09:27 AM
Come on, Duane, you can argue the points in my post too! I'm just jonesing for a debate today! :sign0020:

duane1969
08-17-2011, 08:33 PM
Come on, Duane, you can argue the points in my post too! I'm just jonesing for a debate today! :sign0020:

OK, but you asked for it so no crying later LOL


- Created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Just now really getting its footing (no clue why he hasn't appointed Elizabeth Warren to head this though). Should crack down on predatory lending.

The jury is still out but IMHO any creation of yet another bureaucratric office just results in massive overspending for minimal purpose. These "monitoring" offices are almost always corrupt and inconsistent.


- I know this from personal experience, he's really helped protect college students. He's helped expand the amount of time needed to pay loans, and has worked hard to try to keep interest rates in check. Rates SKYROCKETED in Bush's second term (My first Stafford loan in 2005 was at 2.4%, my last one in 2009 was at 6.6%). He's also significantly increased Pell grants, designed for smart young kids who could have trouble paying for college.

My rates stayed the same. They did not go down but I don't think they went up either. My Pell grants actually declined as I progressed thru school.


- Signed a Nuclear Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia (which after the end of the Cold War, was absolutely necessary)

Wait...what? I must admit, you have me baffled. Obama was POTUS at the end of the Cold War? I thought that was Reagan.

I lump this into the "would have happened with any president" category. I give him credit for doing it but not for it being a unique accomplishment.


- Just passed a new fuel emissions standards. If you buy a new car after 2025, it will now get 55 MPG or more.

Just like the lightbulbs, will be overturned at a later date. I am never impressed when presidents do things that don't even take effect until 10 or 20 years after they are out of office.


- The Lily Ledbetter Act- ensuring fair pay for women (believe it or not, women still make about 30% less than men for doing the same jobs)

Should pay be based on merit or gender?


- He's actually cut taxes for small businesses (I work in one, I've seen it.)

Wasn't this part of ARRA? I might be wrong but I thought that ARRA funding partially assisted small businesses. If I am correct then when ARRA funding dries up (happening right now) then so will the tax cuts/breaks.


- He did authorize the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, and has killed just about as many top al-Qaeda officers as Bush did in 8 years.

Eh, not impressed. My 9 year old could have done his part.

andrewhoya
08-17-2011, 08:35 PM
Eh, not impressed. My 9 year old could have done his part.

Very true. My 2 year old brother could have said "go kill him" just as easily.

duane1969
08-17-2011, 08:39 PM
Very true. My 2 year old brother could have said "go kill him" just as easily.

I give Obama credit for not pulling the funding for the search for Obama. I am sure Pelosi and Reid would have wanted that dearly just so they could rub it in GWB's face.

Honestly tho, after they found him only a bumbling idiot who wanted to commit political suicide would not have given the OK to go after him.

andrewhoya
08-17-2011, 08:41 PM
I give Obama credit for not pulling the funding for the search for Obama. I am sure Pelosi and Reid would have wanted that dearly just so they could rub it in GWB's face.

Honestly tho, after they found him only a bumbling idiot who wanted to commit political suicide would not have given the OK to go after him.

This gave me a good laugh :winking0071:

The second part is 100% true though.

souperman79
08-18-2011, 12:03 AM
Would have happened with or without Obama. A main running point of both sides was to bring the troops home. I give him credit for doing it but not for doing anything that wouldn't have been done anyway.



Ummm... A.) Obamacare doesn't provide free insurance for the underpriviledged, Medicaid and Medicare already do that. Obamacare just criminalized not having insurance and placed a huge burder on small businesses making it that much harder for them to succeed.

B.) I have no idea where you get that the republicans stopped Obamacare. Obamacare passed in spite of something like 80% of Americans saying that they were against it.



Considering the two states that have received the most money (CA & NY) are Democratic controlled states it would appear that they are the states with their hands out the most. So you are wrong, they are the ones with Democrats in control.

Also, there were no states with their hands out "first" as all states were awarded funds at the same time. There was no line.



Actually it appears that the best thing he has ever done (bring home troops) is what any other president would have done. Other than that he has just spent a lot of taxpayer dollars and all we have to show for it is we still sit at over 9% unemployment, still have a struggling economy, still have no health care reform, still have no welfare reform, still have a government policy of overspending and still have a long-term fiscal plan that involves raising the debt ceiling as a response to overspending...all things that Obama promised to fix.

:love0030:

Well done, very well done.

INTIMADATOR2007
08-18-2011, 09:30 PM
Nothing in this thread to be happy about , Should we start a what's he done wrong thread , Ha,Ha, that would be easy EVERYTHING !

andrewhoya
08-18-2011, 09:34 PM
Nothing in this thread to be happy about , Should we start a what's he done wrong thread , Ha,Ha, that would be easy EVERYTHING !

Why don't you start one? It'll be fun!

lloydr04
08-18-2011, 09:39 PM
alot of qualified arm chair politicians in here, let me know when you run.. will be sure to put a vote in for one of you guys :rolleyes:

mrveggieman
08-19-2011, 02:39 PM
alot of qualified arm chair politicians in here, let me know when you run.. will be sure to put a vote in for one of you guys :rolleyes:


Can I get an amen as well as a hell yeah!! :cheer2:

lloydr04
08-19-2011, 03:41 PM
Can I get an amen as well as a hell yeah!! :cheer2:

:pound::pound: