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mrveggieman
08-31-2011, 02:39 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2011/08/31/why-herman-cain-is-no-georgia-bulldog/?cxntfid=blogs_political_insider_jim_galloway

pghin08
08-31-2011, 03:07 PM
why?

mrveggieman
08-31-2011, 03:40 PM
why?


You didn't read the remark where cain said if there is racism within the tea party he never saw it. What the tea party stands for is so obvious even ray charles can see it.

duane1969
08-31-2011, 03:50 PM
So because a few people who identify themselves with a group are bad then the entire group is bad? I bet the Muslims are gonna be unhappy to hear this.

Since homosexuals/lesbians, the legalize marijuana group, Socialist and Black Panthers have all been seen at liberal rallies is it safe to assume that all liberals are homosexual, pothead, militant Socialists?

Try not to be so close-minded.

mrveggieman
08-31-2011, 03:52 PM
So because a few people who identify themselves with a group are bad then the entire group is bad? I bet the Muslims are gonna be unhappy to hear this.

Since homosexuals/lesbians, the legalize marijuana group, Socialist and Black Panthers have all been seen at liberal rallies is it safe to assume that all liberals are homosexual, pothead, militant Socialists?

Try not to be so close-minded.


Funny Duane:sign0020:. Let's compare the ratio of blacks, muslims, gays and others in the tea party to the ratio of the same in the democratic party. Why don't you do some research and let me know what you find.

pghin08
08-31-2011, 03:54 PM
I simply don't see the racial undertones of the tea party. I think there's an element of class warfare to them, but I don't think they're out to destroy minorities. I think they're far more about cutting wasteful spending (at least they used to be).

pghin08
08-31-2011, 03:55 PM
Funny Duane:sign0020:. Let's compare the ratio of blacks, muslims, gays and others in the tea party to the ratio of the same in the democratic party. Why don't you do some research and let me know what you find.

It's always been that way between Dems and Reps though. Reps are more catholic, while Dems are more diverse.

sanfran22
08-31-2011, 03:55 PM
Hahahahaha, so what does that say about the Democratic party I wonder. You do know what happens to individuals that are black and conservative don't you. I wonder if one could say the Dem party is racist or bigoted or keeps one down...hmmmm. This isn't your grandfathers democrat party, lol.

mrveggieman
08-31-2011, 04:02 PM
Hahahahaha, so what does that say about the Democratic party I wonder. You do know what happens to individuals that are black and conservative don't you. I wonder if one could say the Dem party is racist or bigoted or keeps one down...hmmmm. This isn't your grandfathers democrat party, lol.

You are right it isn't my grandfather's democratic party just like the republicons of today are not my grandfather's republican party. :winking0071:

sanfran22
08-31-2011, 04:02 PM
You are right it isn't my grandfather's democratic party just like the republicons of today are not my grandfather's republican party. :winking0071:
That is true, hence the tea party....
Truthfully, there is way to much "progressive cancer" rampant in both parties. Most dems are nuts and alot of repubs are dems.

mrveggieman
08-31-2011, 04:06 PM
That is true, hence the tea party....

Exactly. I'm sure that good old Abe is rolling over his grave at the though of what the "party of Lincoln" has become.

DunkingDurant35
08-31-2011, 09:32 PM
I simply don't see the racial undertones of the tea party. I think there's an element of class warfare to them, but I don't think they're out to destroy minorities. I think they're far more about cutting wasteful spending (at least they used to be).


That is true, hence the tea party....
Truthfully, there is way to much "progressive cancer" rampant in both parties. Most dems are nuts and alot of repubs are dems.


Exactly. I'm sure that good old Abe is rolling over his grave at the though of what the "party of Lincoln" has become.

All three of you have spoken truth here, and this is something given how much I know you guys can disagree. :)

#1 Broncos Fan
08-31-2011, 10:39 PM
I personally think you have a problem with anything that is not Black, Muslim or Islamic! I myself have no problem with the Tea Party and yes a majority of the Tea Party is white but there are also Blacks, Asians, Hispanics and thats just to name a few races that are involved in the Tea Party and for people to label the Tea Party as racist is pure and simple being close minded and trying to stir up something that is not there.


I suppose Muslims should be allowed to practice Sharia Law here where they can perform honor killings of their own children because they dishoner the family.......

INTIMADATOR2007
08-31-2011, 11:07 PM
I personally think you have a problem with anything that is not Black, Muslim or Islamic! I myself have no problem with the Tea Party and yes a majority of the Tea Party is white but there are also Blacks, Asians, Hispanics and thats just to name a few races that are involved in the Tea Party and for people to label the Tea Party as racist is pure and simple being close minded and trying to stir up something that is not there.


I suppose Muslims should be allowed to practice Sharia Law here where they can perform honor killings of their own children because they dishoner the family.......
+1
They cant run on there record so they have to try and label the tea party as racist . There has not been one violent act at any tea party rally , any signs of racism , or arrest , and dont they do millions of dollars in damage to state capitals . But go to a union rally or Black Cacus meeting and you'll find all the hate and violence . Truth is the left know they are losing and have nothing left but to show there hatred for this country and how it was founded.

Heres a little example of the REAL RACIST ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG8x6X8xn3c&feature=player_embedded

duane1969
09-01-2011, 09:38 AM
Funny Duane:sign0020:. Let's compare the ratio of blacks, muslims, gays and others in the tea party to the ratio of the same in the democratic party. Why don't you do some research and let me know what you find.

And? Having less blacks or latinos than another party makes them racists? Your logic is seriously flawed.

Also, in spite of popular liberal opinion, Muslim and gay are not races. Having them or not having them in the Tea Party has no bearing on your claim of them being racist.

Star_Cards
09-01-2011, 10:25 AM
I personally think you have a problem with anything that is not Black, Muslim or Islamic! I myself have no problem with the Tea Party and yes a majority of the Tea Party is white but there are also Blacks, Asians, Hispanics and thats just to name a few races that are involved in the Tea Party and for people to label the Tea Party as racist is pure and simple being close minded and trying to stir up something that is not there.


I suppose Muslims should be allowed to practice Sharia Law here where they can perform honor killings of their own children because they dishoner the family.......

we wouldn't want muslims using sharia law because then that wouldn't let the christians impose there religious laws onto all of america's people.

I've never heard of these "honor killings" you speak of. have there been any in the U.S.?

bottom line... no one should be allowed to impose religious beliefs as legislation no matter the religion. However all should be able to practice their religion freely and not be discriminated against.

duane1969
09-01-2011, 12:21 PM
I've never heard of these "honor killings" you speak of. have there been any in the U.S.?


Yup, it is happening right here in America. Liberal mainstream media doesn't cover it much because it doesn't fit into their PC agenda. To focus on it might paint "normal" American Muslims as being too much like their extremist counterparts, and we wouldn't want that.

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2010-03-31/news/honor-thy-father-muslim-honor-killing-in-phoenix-arizona/

http://fubarmedia.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/muslim-father-shoots-and-kills-his-two-teenage-daughters/

http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/2008/07/muslim-father-kills-daughter-in-georgia-to-protect-family-honor.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3db_1197471721

pghin08
09-01-2011, 12:40 PM
Yup, it is happening right here in America. Liberal mainstream media doesn't cover it much because it doesn't fit into their PC agenda. To focus on it might paint "normal" American Muslims as being too much like their extremist counterparts, and we wouldn't want that.

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2010-03-31/news/honor-thy-father-muslim-honor-killing-in-phoenix-arizona/

http://fubarmedia.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/muslim-father-shoots-and-kills-his-two-teenage-daughters/

http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/2008/07/muslim-father-kills-daughter-in-georgia-to-protect-family-honor.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3db_1197471721


There are extremist Christians that go out and do things just as ridiculous. But they're dismissed as "not being true Christians" when they do. Why not the same treatment for Muslims? When a Muslim does something like this, many people try to paint it as the norm (these are usually the same people as referenced in my second sentence).

mrveggieman
09-01-2011, 12:59 PM
There are extremist Christians that go out and do things just as ridiculous. But they're dismissed as "not being true Christians" when they do. Why not the same treatment for Muslims? When a Muslim does something like this, many people try to paint it as the norm (these are usually the same people as referenced in my second sentence).


+1 :cheer2:

Just like we learned in algebra class in middle school what you do to one side you have to do to the other.

duane1969
09-01-2011, 01:03 PM
There are extremist Christians that go out and do things just as ridiculous. But they're dismissed as "not being true Christians" when they do. Why not the same treatment for Muslims? When a Muslim does something like this, many people try to paint it as the norm (these are usually the same people as referenced in my second sentence).

Why paint them as anything other than Muslim? Without their Muslim beliefs the murders would not have even happened. Are these things the norm? No. But Muslim teachings both allow and even advocate these types of actions. Ignoring or glossing over the Muslim aspect is ignoring reality.

In stark contrast, if a Christian father murdered his daughter because of his religious beliefs not only would it be headlines news, it would get more media attention than all of these Muslim honor killings combined.

pghin08
09-01-2011, 01:12 PM
Why paint them as anything other than Muslim? Without their Muslim beliefs the murders would not have even happened. Are these things the norm? No. But Muslim teachings both allow and even advocate these types of actions. Ignoring or glossing over the Muslim aspect is ignoring reality.

In stark contrast, if a Christian father murdered his daughter because of his religious beliefs not only would it be headlines news, it would get more media attention than all of these Muslim honor killings combined.

But look at the Norwegian serial killer, Anders Breivik. He was motivated to his actions by his radical Christian beliefs. Without his religious views, that wouldn't have happened. So in that case, ignoring or glossing over the Christian aspect is ignoring reality.

Star_Cards
09-01-2011, 01:47 PM
I would think that these killings are quite far from the norm and happen just as often as other terrible things that people do in the name of any religion.

duane1969
09-01-2011, 03:07 PM
But look at the Norwegian serial killer, Anders Breivik. He was motivated to his actions by his radical Christian beliefs. Without his religious views, that wouldn't have happened. So in that case, ignoring or glossing over the Christian aspect is ignoring reality.

That is a bit out of context. He killed because of political issues (and he was psycho), not because his religious beliefs dictated that he must do it. Oh, and it wasn't his own daughters...

I am sorry, killing is wrong no matter what, but killing a stranger would be a lot easier than choking your daughter to death or running her over with a car. I have a 15 year old daughter and just seeing someone make her cry makes me ready for war, I don't see how a father could kill his daughter because she wanted to listen to rap or she liked a boy of another faith.

I see where you make the connection but it is a thin thread that you use to tie them together.

duane1969
09-01-2011, 03:10 PM
I would think that these killings are quite far from the norm and happen just as often as other terrible things that people do in the name of any religion.

You are probably correct. I was just providing you with links since you said you were unaware of it happening here.

Still yet, I put killing your own child on another level. Killing in the name of religion is one thing, killing your own child is another.

pghin08
09-01-2011, 03:51 PM
That is a bit out of context. He killed because of political issues (and he was psycho), not because his religious beliefs dictated that he must do it. Oh, and it wasn't his own daughters...

I am sorry, killing is wrong no matter what, but killing a stranger would be a lot easier than choking your daughter to death or running her over with a car. I have a 15 year old daughter and just seeing someone make her cry makes me ready for war, I don't see how a father could kill his daughter because she wanted to listen to rap or she liked a boy of another faith.

I see where you make the connection but it is a thin thread that you use to tie them together.

No it isn't. Both men killed because of their religious beliefs.

sanfran22
09-01-2011, 06:09 PM
No it isn't. Both men killed because of their religious beliefs.
Not true, read more about the guy. Just like alot of people say Mcveigh did as well, which also is false.
Here's a start.....
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=325765

pghin08
09-01-2011, 06:38 PM
Not true, read more about the guy. Just like alot of people say Mcveigh did as well, which also is false.
Here's a start.....
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=325765


If you could give me evidence from an unbiased website, I'll take it legitimately. Of course a right-wing Christian website doesn't want to have this guy associated with them. Something like this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8656515/Norway-attacks-profile-of-suspect-Anders-Behring-Breivik.html

Nevermind what, you know, the people who investigated this guy say about him. That's just crazy.

sanfran22
09-01-2011, 06:57 PM
Read what the guy himself writes. Its pretty clear to most what he is.

pghin08
09-01-2011, 07:24 PM
Read what the guy himself writes. Its pretty clear to most what he is.


Yup. An anti-Islamic right-wing professed Christian.

There is a massive disconnect between yourself, Duane and I. Let me set some things straight:

1. Breivik is NOT a true Christian, as I perceive Christianity to be. I think it is a religion of peace and love for your fellow man. 99.99999% of Christians that I know are thoughtful, genuine and truly kind spirits. Breivik's views on Christianity and what he sees as Europe's abandonment of it are misguided. He had an extreme viewpoint, and he acted on it.

2. People that kill their daughters/sons/spouses because they feel as if their Muslim faith dictates them to, are not true Muslims. There are millions of Muslims in this country who don't kill their families/friends. These are the true Muslims that feel as if they will someday lie in judgment of Allah.

3. There is no distinction between #1 and #2.

Extremists are exactly that, extreme. Their perceptions are marred, and they act on them. Breivik's actions are not indicative of the Christian faith, and neither are the Muslim actions. You can't judge a Muslim extremist by lumping them in with other Muslims just the same as you wouldn't, as a Christian, want to be lumped in with Breivik. People say that Breivik isn't a true Christian. Then isn't it just as conceivable that those that commit "honor killings" aren't real Muslims?

duane1969
09-01-2011, 08:42 PM
Yup. An anti-Islamic right-wing professed Christian.

There is a massive disconnect between yourself, Duane and I. Let me set some things straight:

1. Breivik is NOT a true Christian, as I perceive Christianity to be. I think it is a religion of peace and love for your fellow man. 99.99999% of Christians that I know are thoughtful, genuine and truly kind spirits. Breivik's views on Christianity and what he sees as Europe's abandonment of it are misguided. He had an extreme viewpoint, and he acted on it.

2. People that kill their daughters/sons/spouses because they feel as if their Muslim faith dictates them to, are not true Muslims. There are millions of Muslims in this country who don't kill their families/friends. These are the true Muslims that feel as if they will someday lie in judgment of Allah.

3. There is no distinction between #1 and #2.

Extremists are exactly that, extreme. Their perceptions are marred, and they act on them. Breivik's actions are not indicative of the Christian faith, and neither are the Muslim actions. You can't judge a Muslim extremist by lumping them in with other Muslims just the same as you wouldn't, as a Christian, want to be lumped in with Breivik. People say that Breivik isn't a true Christian. Then isn't it just as conceivable that those that commit "honor killings" aren't real Muslims?

The difference I see is this. Breivik was not known for being a Christian. He wasn't known for his faith, he didn't live any form of a Christian life, he didn't openly profess his religious beliefs and his motivations were as much political as anything.

With the honor kilings, the fathers were devout Muslims who attended mosque, they lived their lives in the same fashion as every other typical Muslim, they adhered to old Muslim laws such as betrothal, and their motivation was entirely based in the teachings of their religion, right down to the expectation that they kill their daughters.

Quite simply, without Christianity Breivik would most likely have still done the same thing, but without Islam it is highly doubtful that the fathers would have killed their daughters. That is where I see the primary division between the two to be.

mrveggieman
09-01-2011, 08:48 PM
Yup. An anti-Islamic right-wing professed Christian.

There is a massive disconnect between yourself, Duane and I. Let me set some things straight:

1. Breivik is NOT a true Christian, as I perceive Christianity to be. I think it is a religion of peace and love for your fellow man. 99.99999% of Christians that I know are thoughtful, genuine and truly kind spirits. Breivik's views on Christianity and what he sees as Europe's abandonment of it are misguided. He had an extreme viewpoint, and he acted on it.

2. People that kill their daughters/sons/spouses because they feel as if their Muslim faith dictates them to, are not true Muslims. There are millions of Muslims in this country who don't kill their families/friends. These are the true Muslims that feel as if they will someday lie in judgment of Allah.

3. There is no distinction between #1 and #2.

Extremists are exactly that, extreme. Their perceptions are marred, and they act on them. Breivik's actions are not indicative of the Christian faith, and neither are the Muslim actions. You can't judge a Muslim extremist by lumping them in with other Muslims just the same as you wouldn't, as a Christian, want to be lumped in with Breivik. People say that Breivik isn't a true Christian. Then isn't it just as conceivable that those that commit "honor killings" aren't real Muslims?

+1,000,000 :cheer2: This is the post of the day.

pghin08
09-01-2011, 08:59 PM
The difference I see is this. Breivik was not known for being a Christian. He wasn't known for his faith, he didn't live any form of a Christian life, he didn't openly profess his religious beliefs and his motivations were as much political as anything.

With the honor kilings, the fathers were devout Muslims who attended mosque, they lived their lives in the same fashion as every other typical Muslim, they adhered to old Muslim laws such as betrothal, and their motivation was entirely based in the teachings of their religion, right down to the expectation that they kill their daughters.

Quite simply, without Christianity Breivik would most likely have still done the same thing, but without Islam it is highly doubtful that the fathers would have killed their daughters. That is where I see the primary division between the two to be.


Okay, there it is, there's where our disagreement lies. I don't think he would have. I don't disagree that he didn't have political reasons, but it's not right to dismiss his religious ones. The guy wrote a manifesto. I'm not saying their identical, I just have a problem with people who think that all religious extremists wear thobes. Sometimes they wear Old Navy.

duane1969
09-01-2011, 09:04 PM
A manifesto is not a religious document. What is the relevance?

Read this person's summary of the manifesto. Notice what is missing from the summary. http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/07/the-breivik-manifesto.html

And I am not dismissing his religious motivations, I am just not convinced that they were his promary motivation. When asked why he did it he said "I had to pay them back for their treason." He didn't say anything about them being infidels or sinners like you would expect a religious nut to do.

pghin08
09-01-2011, 09:06 PM
A manifesto is not a religious document. What is the relevance?

And I am not dismissing his religious motivations, I am just not convinced that they were his promary motivation. When asked why he did it he said "I had to pay them back for their treason." He didn't say anything about them being infidels or sinners like you would expect a religious nut to do.


I meant to say religio-political manifesto. Sometimes I get excited and forget words.