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AUTaxMan
10-11-2011, 09:16 PM
It's on this site:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics

I like this format. They are actually letting the candidates talk instead of putting the ridiculous time limits on their answers.

AUTaxMan
10-11-2011, 09:26 PM
By the way, this is an economic debate. that is all they are debating.

andrewhoya
10-11-2011, 09:35 PM
Ron Paul just OWNED everyone else.

AUTaxMan
10-11-2011, 09:39 PM
They've all been pretty solid so far except Bachmann.

andrewhoya
10-11-2011, 09:41 PM
They've all been pretty solid so far except Bachmann.

Surprised?

AUTaxMan
10-11-2011, 09:49 PM
Surprised?

No. She is a walking talking point.

pghin08
10-12-2011, 10:03 AM
How was it guys? I didn't get to watch it. Penguins home opener here in Pittsburgh.

AUTaxMan
10-12-2011, 10:28 AM
It was definitely the best debate so far because they focused entirely on fiscal issues and allowed the candidates to actually debate each other. Cain and Romney came out on top. Paul and Gingrich made some good points on the auditing/disbanding the fed. Santorum was excellent when he got to speak. Perry was a dud. Bachmann was the same.

It was really all about Romney though. He is clearly the best debater. Even when his point is the weaker point in an argument, he comes across as winning. I personally still have Cain on top, followed by Romney and Santorum.

pghin08
10-12-2011, 11:10 AM
It was definitely the best debate so far because they focused entirely on fiscal issues and allowed the candidates to actually debate each other. Cain and Romney came out on top. Paul and Gingrich made some good points on the auditing/disbanding the fed. Santorum was excellent when he got to speak. Perry was a dud. Bachmann was the same.

It was really all about Romney though. He is clearly the best debater. Even when his point is the weaker point in an argument, he comes across as winning. I personally still have Cain on top, followed by Romney and Santorum.

I'll have to find it and watch it. I'm totally wiped out from all these debates though. I don't know how they do it. It's like every 10 days now. Given that this one was economic in nature, I owe it to myself to watch it.

Speaking from a Pennsylvanian's perspective, I will NEVER vote for Santorum. He was a joke, and a do-nothing guy. He's an ego-maniacal jerk who cares about nobody but himself. (that last part is from a personal perspective).

Romney is a great debater. However, he just strikes me as the John Kerry of the Republican party. He's "flip-flopped" a lot over his career, and will have a TON of trouble in the election due to his Massachusetts healthcare program.

AUTaxMan
10-12-2011, 11:22 AM
I'll have to find it and watch it. I'm totally wiped out from all these debates though. I don't know how they do it. It's like every 10 days now. Given that this one was economic in nature, I owe it to myself to watch it.

Speaking from a Pennsylvanian's perspective, I will NEVER vote for Santorum. He was a joke, and a do-nothing guy. He's an ego-maniacal jerk who cares about nobody but himself. (that last part is from a personal perspective).

Romney is a great debater. However, he just strikes me as the John Kerry of the Republican party. He's "flip-flopped" a lot over his career, and will have a TON of trouble in the election due to his Massachusetts healthcare program.

I agree on your last point, which is why I'm not a huge fan. He comes across as a politician, and his track record of legislation is not great. Cain is a breath of fresh air because he thinks differently from the rest of them. He knows we need to do something bold to fix this economy instead of putting another band aid on it. He was also a fed chairman, so he understands fiscal policy.

duane1969
10-12-2011, 12:25 PM
I'll have to find it and watch it. I'm totally wiped out from all these debates though. I don't know how they do it. It's like every 10 days now. Given that this one was economic in nature, I owe it to myself to watch it.

Speaking from a Pennsylvanian's perspective, I will NEVER vote for Santorum. He was a joke, and a do-nothing guy. He's an ego-maniacal jerk who cares about nobody but himself. (that last part is from a personal perspective).

Romney is a great debater. However, he just strikes me as the John Kerry of the Republican party. He's "flip-flopped" a lot over his career, and will have a TON of trouble in the election due to his Massachusetts healthcare program.

I met Romney during the 2008 election run.

You ever go to a car dealership and when the salesman approaches you get that "I am about to get screwed" feeling?

I got that with Romney. He will not get my vote.

AUTaxMan
10-12-2011, 12:36 PM
I met Romney during the 2008 election run.

You ever go to a car dealership and when the salesman approaches you get that "I am about to get screwed" feeling?

I got that with Romney. He will not get my vote.

I hope he would if he gets the nomination. One thing is for certain, ANY of those candidates would be better than 4 more years of hope and change. Even Bachmann, as much as it pains me to say it.

mrveggieman
10-12-2011, 12:41 PM
I hope he would if he gets the nomination. One thing is for certain, ANY of those candidates would be better than 4 more years of hope and change. Even Bachmann, as much as it pains me to say it.


Let me ask you this. We all know of your dislike for President Obama so I'm not even going to go there with you. My question is who would you compare any of these potential republican canidates to the 8 years of hell that we had with gwb?

duane1969
10-12-2011, 12:46 PM
I hope he would if he gets the nomination. One thing is for certain, ANY of those candidates would be better than 4 more years of hope and change. Even Bachmann, as much as it pains me to say it.

I dislike Obama and his policies as much as anybody but something about Romney bothers me.

AUTaxMan
10-12-2011, 12:50 PM
I dislike Obama and his policies as much as anybody but something about Romney bothers me.

Even if you think Romney's policies might be bad, you KNOW Obama's are. I think it's a reasonable gamble to take.

AUTaxMan
10-12-2011, 12:52 PM
Let me ask you this. We all know of your dislike for President Obama so I'm not even going to go there with you. My question is who would you compare any of these potential republican canidates to the 8 years of hell that we had with gwb?

Are you asking which candidate is the most like Bush? If you are, I would go with Perry, whom I cannot stand. I think the best man for the job is Gingrich, but the Dems have spent the last 25 years destroying him, so I don't think he has much of a chance.

duane1969
10-12-2011, 12:54 PM
Even if you think Romney's policies might be bad, you KNOW Obama's are. I think it's a reasonable gamble to take.

It's not policies that concern me. I can't articulate it on a message board. He struck me as the type of guy you would be friendly with but you never would entirely trust. He just made me uneasy.

AUTaxMan
10-12-2011, 01:10 PM
It's not policies that concern me. I can't articulate it on a message board. He struck me as the type of guy you would be friendly with but you never would entirely trust. He just made me uneasy.

Well in this case, you should choose between the lesser of two evils.

pghin08
10-12-2011, 01:20 PM
Well in this case, you should choose between the lesser of two evils.

i.e.- what we all do every election cycle.

sanfran22
10-12-2011, 02:39 PM
It's not policies that concern me. I can't articulate it on a message board. He struck me as the type of guy you would be friendly with but you never would entirely trust. He just made me uneasy.

So he's a polished politician? lol....

duane1969
10-12-2011, 03:53 PM
So he's a polished politician? lol....

It is a little more than that. I worked security for the state facility that I was at and met numerous politicians there including the state Attorney General, a few members of both the state and US congress, a US senator or two and the WV governor at that time. None made me feel like Romney did. After shaking his hand I had the urge to wash mine.

sanfran22
10-12-2011, 03:55 PM
It is a little more than that. I worked security for the state facility that I was at and met numerous politicians there including the state Attorney General, a few members of both the state and US congress, a US senator or two and the WV governor at that time. None made me feel like Romney did. After shaking his hand I had the urge to wash mine.

lol, I don't really like him and think he's kinda phony aka a politician. But considering the alternative.....:scared0012:

duane1969
10-12-2011, 03:58 PM
lol, I don't really like him and think he's kinda phony aka a politician. But considering the alternative.....:scared0012:

Yeah it is something of a Catch22. Sort of like being asked if you prefer to be shot in the left or right leg.

sanfran22
10-12-2011, 04:02 PM
Yeah it is something of a Catch22. Sort of like being asked if you prefer to be shot in the left or right leg.

Yep, Only thing is I would expect Romney to appoint some people I'd probably agree with. I don't really see the same with the alternative.

pghin08
10-12-2011, 04:03 PM
Yeah it is something of a Catch22. Sort of like being asked if you prefer to be shot in the left or right leg.

But after they ask, they buy a gun with your tax dollars and shoot you in the nuts instead.

AUTaxMan
10-12-2011, 04:20 PM
But after they ask, they buy a gun with your tax dollars and shoot you in the nuts instead.

Actually, they buy the gun and give it to Mexican drug gangs, then the gangs shoot you.

duane1969
10-12-2011, 07:21 PM
But after they ask, they buy a gun with your tax dollars and shoot you in the nuts instead.

Nah. This is the Republican party we are talking about. They aim for the head with birdshot :P


Actually, they buy the gun and give it to Mexican drug gangs, then the gangs shoot you.

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