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1990score
11-01-2011, 08:58 PM
Just did a bunch of comparing between these "success" and guaranteed authentic autos from UDA and Steiner... Gotta say I now know why these r coming back from JSA and PSA as not real. Lots of differences.. Let's look at them:

TTM: almost full first name is signed Peyton.
Authentic: almost all signatures end with the T.
TTM: Larger M than the authentic in EVERY instance. The 'Ing in the TTM is completely off between TTM and authentic...

Sorry guys I have to say they aren't real.

lambeauleap87
11-01-2011, 09:47 PM
I just got out the first Manning that I got TTM back in '09...the three things you pointed out (first name being full compared to shortened; size of "M" and the "-ing") are all consistent with mine compared to all the certs I just looked up. Not sure what you're seeing, but I don't see it.

I'll pull out my other two when I get more free time, but the first one is almost identical to the UD/Panini/Topps autographs.

MSUspartans
11-01-2011, 10:04 PM
This look authentic?

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j384/Chadsautographs/photo-3-6.jpg

Riggs
11-01-2011, 10:37 PM
good grief.. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT A FUTURE HOF PLAYER MIGHT ACTUALLY SIGN TMM!!!! how many times dpo we need to go over this?

Every single TTM i have ever seen is consistent with one another & consistent with the certified autos.

Really think your splitting hairs here 1990score. If you have proof would LOVE to see a scan, pic, drawing, whatever you got because im not buying it.

1990score
11-01-2011, 11:08 PM
Good grief.. What?? The following illustrates my point perfectly.. And why are all these coming back from the two most prominent authentication companies as not real? Huh?

TTM - http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r31267.jpg

Steiner AUTHENTIC- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=190544648692

It's not even close.....

Riggs
11-01-2011, 11:10 PM
lets look into this alittle Further.. Here are 3 certified autos i found on the first page of ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PEYTON-MANNING-AUTOGRAPH-AUTO-d-GU-JERSEY-PSA-9-MINT-ROOKIE-RC-FLAIR-COLTS-/190592078786?pt=US_Football&hash=item2c602c53c2#ht_3659wt_1163


http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Upper-Deck-Hawaii-Trade-Peyton-Manning-Autograph-/170710053684?pt=US_Football&hash=item27bf1cb334#ht_556wt_1163


http://www.ebay.com/itm/03-Ultimate-Collection-CARSON-PALMER-PEYTON-MANNING-Dual-AUTO-50-/310355543882?pt=US_Football&hash=item4842a1c74a#ht_1103wt_1163


as you can see, All are very consistent to one another, Here are the some TTM returns i have gotten over the years..

http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz101/Riggs290731RCR/TTM%20autos/manning-1.jpg

http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz101/Riggs290731RCR/TTM%20autos/scan0001-47.jpg

http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz101/Riggs290731RCR/TTM%20autos/scan0002-10.jpg


only main difference i see is maybe a discrepancy with the "loop" of the "G" in Manning & that would hardly constitute a fake result in all Manning TTM returns Because there are plenty on page 2 & 3 of ebay with " loops " in the "G". I just went off of what i found on page 1.

1990score
11-01-2011, 11:11 PM
STEINER AUTHENTIC- http://www.ebay.com/itm/Steiner-Sports-Peyton-Manning-Riddell-Colts-Helmet-/190544648692?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5d5899f4#ht_2179wt_922

Riggs
11-01-2011, 11:14 PM
Good grief.. What?? The following illustrates my point perfectly.. And why are all these coming back from the two most prominent authentication companies as not real? Huh?

TTM - http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r31267.jpg

Steiner AUTHENTIC- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=190544648692

It's not even close.....

Hard telling with them. If you take there word as GOD in this hobby then thats on you. Somethings they get right, some things they are WAYYYYYYYYYY off base on. I would like to ask them myself why they feel they are fake.

JVazz29
11-02-2011, 12:18 AM
I don't see much of a difference. If there is any, it is slight and I don't think would constitute TTM returns as "Fake." The TTM return used as an example in the original post is a baseball. I think the medium on which the signature is signed matters. A baseball, especially for a football player, is a bit more awkward to sign than a flat. I think with a item shaped as a baseball, more time would be taken into signing the item. Therefore, as a result, a more readable and clear signature vs. more rushed sigs on flats

I'm not saying this is "truth." Only my theory on that specific example.

REDANDGOLDPRIDE
11-02-2011, 12:25 AM
I don't see much of a difference. If there is any, it is slight and I don't think would constitute TTM returns as "Fake." The TTM return used as an example in the original post is a baseball. I think the medium on which the signature is signed matters. A baseball, especially for a football player, is a bit more awkward to sign than a flat. I think with a item shaped as a baseball, more time would be taken into signing the item. Therefore, as a result, a more readable and clear signature vs. more rushed sigs on flats

I'm not saying this is "truth." Only my theory on that specific example.

agreed.

I've said this 100 times, but Peyton and his foundation would not take donations from fans who are under the impression that they are getting an autograph from Peyton in exchange for their donation. i know he's been signing for free at times, but I'm sure that's so his foundation doesn't get in trouble for "charging" for autographs. they're real.

dscards
11-02-2011, 12:27 AM
I don't see much of a difference. If there is any, it is slight and I don't think would constitute TTM returns as "Fake." The TTM return used as an example in the original post is a baseball. I think the medium on which the signature is signed matters. A baseball, especially for a football player, is a bit more awkward to sign than a flat. I think with a item shaped as a baseball, more time would be taken into signing the item. Therefore, as a result, a more readable and clear signature vs. more rushed sigs on flats

I'm not saying this is "truth." Only my theory on that specific example.

Agree completely. Go pick up a baseball and try and sign it on the SS. Then sign a piece of paper. I promise you the two signatures will have discrepancies simply because you are not used to writing on the curved surface of a baseball.
If you want to put a side by side comparison of a Steiner authenticated signed photo next to a TTM signed photo and make your argument, I'll listen. But right now you're comparing apples to oranges.
I have no doubt the TTM autographs are authentic based on my comparisons with certs and interviews with Manning. I don't really care what the opinion of 3rd Party Authenticators are..they're wrong way too often to trust.

MSUspartans
11-02-2011, 06:35 AM
why would somebody have Peyton sign a baseball?

RJ53
11-02-2011, 07:08 AM
Really we need someone doubting a autograph dont get it if its not real Jeez.

marti427
11-02-2011, 07:08 AM
Plus a helmet isn't a flat, so the sig being different could fall upon those baseball reasoning as well. Plus why would they send out PP pictures at times when he was busy? I recall seeing one report in the TTM manager saying he got the PP and it was around the time he was having neck surgery.

MVick7
11-02-2011, 08:26 AM
Not all of the manning ttm have failed JSA and PSA i have looked on other sites and they have passed here is on that passed, why why would they take your donations, why would they send your item back with a pri print. thats why they are real. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Peyton-Manning-Signed-Colts-5x7-Photo-PSA-DNA-HOF-Rare-/320785095023?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab048196f

MSUspartans
11-02-2011, 04:32 PM
Plus a helmet isn't a flat, so the sig being different could fall upon those baseball reasoning as well. Plus why would they send out PP pictures at times when he was busy? I recall seeing one report in the TTM manager saying he got the PP and it was around the time he was having neck surgery.

I also got this

Ryanpmeyer
11-03-2011, 12:33 PM
Has anyone ever sent a donation via check and had it cashed? It seems all check donations are returned!

white2128
11-05-2011, 08:12 PM
http://www.steinersports.com/search.html?searchTerm=peyton+manning I have a Steiner authentic 8x10 and a TTM from Peyton. Nearly identical.

MVick7
11-05-2011, 08:42 PM
They are real I don't know why people are saying its fake they match up to pack pulled autos, JSA, PSA, Steiner

1990score
11-05-2011, 11:19 PM
FAKE!! and the reasons r simple. They have been stated in this thread. Quite simply they don't match his certified auto from his signings!!!!!!!

TTMcardMaster
11-06-2011, 10:36 AM
FAKE!! and the reasons r simple. They have been stated in this thread. Quite simply they don't match his certified auto from his signings!!!!!!!

Really? There are so many athletes that have IP sigs that don't match their certs...

MVick7
11-06-2011, 11:07 AM
1990 score they match up, from pack pulled to JSA to Upperdeck to steiner, alot of players have diffrent sigs, like one I can compare is Bryce Harper he has alot of diffrent ones

white2128
11-06-2011, 11:55 AM
http://www.steinersports.com/peyton-manning-autographed-sb-xli-walking-through-the-tunnel-16x20-photograph.html Steiner authentic

http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r420.jpg TTM success.

Only difference is that on the TTM he wrote 18.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/peyton-manning-talks-autographs/

http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/08/23/everyone-wants-an-autograph/
I can't find that whole article for free anywhere, but just read it. He talks about how he always takes time to sign whatever someone wants. These are AUTHENTIC.

white2128
11-06-2011, 11:56 AM
http://www.steinersports.com/peyton-manning-autographed-sb-xli-walking-through-the-tunnel-16x20-photograph.html (http://www.steinersports.com/peyton-manning-autographed-sb-xli-walking-through-the-tunnel-16x20-photograph.html) Steiner authentic

http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r420.jpg (http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r420.jpg) TTM success.

Only difference is that on the TTM he wrote 18.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/peyton-manning-talks-autographs/ (http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/peyton-manning-talks-autographs/)

http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/08/23/everyone-wants-an-autograph/ (http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/08/23/everyone-wants-an-autograph/)
I can't find that whole article for free anywhere, but just read it. He talks about how he always takes time to sign whatever someone wants. These are AUTHENTIC.

white2128
11-06-2011, 11:58 AM
http://www.steinersports.com/peyton-manning-autographed-sb-xli-walking-through-the-tunnel-16x20-photograph.html (http://www.steinersports.com/peyton-manning-autographed-sb-xli-walking-through-the-tunnel-16x20-photograph.html) Steiner authentic

http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r420.jpg (http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r420.jpg) TTM success.

Only difference is that on the TTM he wrote 18.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/peyton-manning-talks-autographs/ (http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/peyton-manning-talks-autographs/)

http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/08/23/everyone-wants-an-autograph/ (http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/08/23/everyone-wants-an-autograph/)
I can't find that whole article for free anywhere, but just read it. He talks about how he always takes time to sign whatever someone wants. These are AUTHENTIC.

white2128
11-06-2011, 12:01 PM
http://www.steinersports.com/peyton-manning-autographed-sb-xli-walking-through-the-tunnel-16x20-photograph.html (http://www.steinersports.com/peyton-manning-autographed-sb-xli-walking-through-the-tunnel-16x20-photograph.html) Steiner authentic

http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r420.jpg (http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r420.jpg) TTM success.

Only difference is that on the TTM he wrote 18.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/peyton-manning-talks-autographs/ (http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/peyton-manning-talks-autographs/)

http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/08/23/everyone-wants-an-autograph/ (http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/08/23/everyone-wants-an-autograph/)
I can't find that whole article for free anywhere, but just read it. He talks about how he always takes time to sign whatever someone wants. These are AUTHENTIC.

MVick7
11-06-2011, 12:32 PM
ever time they show manning at football games he is signing autos that shows how nice of person he is does brady do that no, not alot of stars like him sign at games, I know he is hurt but he did it last year

1990score
11-06-2011, 05:46 PM
Fake!!

mmalpedo01
11-06-2011, 05:50 PM
Real!! LOL.

lambeauleap87
11-06-2011, 06:07 PM
Fake!!

Does Manning owe you money or something? Geez...haha. Your only argument has been that they don't match up to certifieds (which they do) or that they fail Authentications (whose opinions are absolutely worthless).

1990score
11-06-2011, 07:08 PM
I have made my statements and offered concrete proof.. The third party authentication companies JSA and PSA are extremely reputable and have cleaned up this hobby.. There are too many fakes and crap out there.

MVick7
11-06-2011, 07:46 PM
then why are some coming back real from jsa and psa if you look at other sites they have come back real

TTMcardMaster
11-06-2011, 07:48 PM
I have made my statements and offered concrete proof.. The third party authentication companies JSA and PSA are extremely reputable and have cleaned up this hobby.. There are too many fakes and crap out there.

Credibility in you officially lost...

Riggs
11-06-2011, 07:55 PM
I have made my statements and offered concrete proof.. The third party authentication companies JSA and PSA are extremely reputable and have cleaned up this hobby.. There are too many fakes and crap out there.

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=6635

nuff said.. Thats your reputable company at its finest!

Riggs
11-06-2011, 07:55 PM
credibility in you officially lost...

+1

lambeauleap87
11-06-2011, 09:34 PM
I have made my statements and offered concrete proof.. The third party authentication companies JSA and PSA are extremely reputable and have cleaned up this hobby.. There are too many fakes and crap out there.

The problem is...they've authenticated way too many of those fakes to be considered credible or reputable.

cyberer
11-07-2011, 01:16 AM
I think in some cases, people prefer ignorance of a fake (the Favre returns, the Shaq returns, etc), but I don't think this is the case here. These Peytons are as real as they get I think.

coclarkson
11-07-2011, 02:29 PM
i just got my 8x10 back today and the signature looks identical to his certified signatures. 100% legit

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2004-UD-FOUNDATIONS-PEYTON-MANNING-ELI-MANNING-AUTO-RC-/10/!B8zmrKQ!2k~$(KGrHqF,!jcEzKkLyvEEBM4DPJWpbw~~0_12. JPG

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/corycove/Picture581.jpg

marti427
11-07-2011, 03:42 PM
Other people have said it and I believe it, I highly doubt they would run fakes out of HIS FOUNDATION!

1990score
11-07-2011, 04:07 PM
The E is different, the Y is different, the T is different... And the Manning good golly don't get me started its all different.. I know u want it to be real I understand...

coclarkson
11-07-2011, 04:11 PM
The E is different, the Y is different, the T is different... And the Manning good golly don't get me started its all different.. I know u want it to be real I understand...

can you sign your name exactly the same twice? try signing your name 100 times and see how many look exactly the same. there's going to be some variations

lambeauleap87
11-07-2011, 07:02 PM
The E is different, the Y is different, the T is different... And the Manning good golly don't get me started its all different.. I know u want it to be real I understand...

Based on this analysis, we know he's not using a stamp or an autopen...look pretty similar to me.

marti427
11-07-2011, 07:16 PM
And if your going off that one dual card in your recent argument you have to realize he was within a smaller space so it could be a little different than a 8x10 or helmet.

ChrisR
11-09-2011, 09:35 PM
There are plenty of REAL issues that need the time and energy put into this, put into them. Fix the economy before you condemn Peyton. Believe me, the out of work citizens will appreciate your work much more than the peyton haters who back this theory.

tsangali69
03-07-2012, 02:59 PM
Just did a bunch of comparing between these "success" and guaranteed authentic autos from UDA and Steiner... Gotta say I now know why these r coming back from JSA and PSA as not real. Lots of differences.. Let's look at them:

TTM: almost full first name is signed Peyton.
Authentic: almost all signatures end with the T.
TTM: Larger M than the authentic in EVERY instance. The 'Ing in the TTM is completely off between TTM and authentic...

Sorry guys I have to say they aren't real.


Troll

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 03:14 PM
Hell I can't even get the first one back ttm. Every time I try him the PO either returns my letter with no explanation or it goes off never to be heard from again. SMH.

Philly Fan 5064
03-07-2012, 04:35 PM
This address will be no goo right since he will be leaving Indy

cyberer
03-07-2012, 04:58 PM
Since they're fake, his secretary will still sign and return all the stuff from the address even when he's in miami

http://toychop.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/troll-face-meme.png?w=468

JerseyInk
03-07-2012, 05:05 PM
Just now looked at this thread. This guy's arguement is weak sauce. Need to back away from the monitor and stop trying to find something that isn't there. He trolled the hayul out of the board. Well played 1990score. If you're serious, then you should find another hobby. Good day.

lambeauleap87
03-07-2012, 05:16 PM
This address will be no goo right since he will be leaving Indy

That address is for his CHARITY. :rolleyes: Something in me highly doubts that he will relocate his entire foundation just because he's parting ways with the Colts. Maybe he won't sign from it anymore, but that's not the best logic.

mrveggieman, shoot me a PM if you would...

1990score
03-07-2012, 11:32 PM
Many peoples analysis on Manning's graph being fake.. Why so many rejections by PSA??? Listen to the professionals. Fake. Fake. Fake.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 10:47 AM
That address is for his CHARITY. :rolleyes: Something in me highly doubts that he will relocate his entire foundation just because he's parting ways with the Colts. Maybe he won't sign from it anymore, but that's not the best logic.

mrveggieman, shoot me a PM if you would...


PM sent.

mjbowman
03-18-2012, 09:17 PM
I think that the Manning sigs on the card with Eli and the 8x10 are consistent if you look at the angles of the Y into the T and the humps on the M as well as a few other angles. Next thing your going to say that Christ was never Crucified.

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 10:38 AM
Next thing your going to say that Christ was never Crucified.

LOL. Not going to go there with that one an autograph thread. I'm sure that you can get a good debate on that on P&R. :smokin:

Texas Red
03-28-2012, 10:37 PM
Probably not relevant exactly to this thread, but about 5 months ago I sent in a card and a patch that I hoped to be signed*with a donation, but both got returned unsigned without the cash still in there.

Do y'all think that I should have sent a larger donation to get the patch signed? I think that I sent a 5$ or a $10.

There is a slight chance that I sent 2 cards, but I'm pretty sure that I only sent 1. The enevelope was damaged when it got returned so I'm thinking that either they sent back the cash and someone might have grabbed it through the damaged envelope or maybe if I sent 2 cards, maybe someone grabbed the signed card(If he signed one) through the damaged enevlope.

I'm not really trying to complain. I'm just glad that Peyton has a nice way to get things autographed. I'd send again with a bigger donation if I thought that he would sign the patch, but it wasn't the coolest getting the package back originally with no signed anything.

REDANDGOLDPRIDE
03-29-2012, 03:26 PM
My theory.

A.) 1990score works for Manning's foundation and he helps handle the mail and is sick of it. So he's trying to discourage people sending.

B.) 1990score works for PSA or JSA and is sick of getting questions and mail ins for TTM Mannings and is trying to tell everyone they're already fake.

C.) He's got nothing better to do than troll people's TTM threads and spread fake panic. Why is he so concerned what other people think if he KNOWS they're fake?

cerratode80
03-29-2012, 08:23 PM
im looking at the 8x10 i watched peyton sign in person and my ttm card and there is really noo differance just saying