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duane1969
11-03-2011, 09:33 AM
An article on MSNBC says that a record 1 in 15 Americans are now living in what I classify as the lower low class, the "poorest poor". As if our economy isn't bad enough, we now have a growing number of poor people sinking into true financial despair.


The ranks of America's poorest poor have climbed to a record high 1 in 15 people ...

About 20.5 million Americans, or 6.7 percent of the U.S. population, make up the poorest poor, defined as those at 50 percent or less of the official poverty level. Those living in deep poverty represent nearly half of the 46.2 million people scraping by below the poverty line. In 2010, the poorest poor meant an income of $5,570 or less for an individual and $11,157 for a family of four.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45145370/ns/us_news-life/

pghin08
11-03-2011, 09:43 AM
Those dollar figures make me sick to my stomach.

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 09:58 AM
The wealthiest country in the world...anyone know where America ranks in universal healthcare? It's only going to get worse before it gets better folks...expect the crime rates to rise more...

pghin08
11-03-2011, 10:01 AM
The wealthiest country in the world...anyone know where America ranks in universal healthcare? It's only going to get worse before it gets better folks...expect the crime rates to rise more...

Oddly enough, violent crime has been in steep decline across the US since the early 1990s.

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 10:07 AM
Oddly enough, violent crime has been in steep decline across the US since the early 1990s.
Is this the same people that say the unemployment rate is at 9.1% in America?

duane1969
11-03-2011, 10:08 AM
Oddly enough, violent crime has been in steep decline across the US since the early 1990s.

You are correct but that is moreso violent crimes, right?

I know around here there have been a rise in issues with petty theft and larceny. One construction site had to hire a security guard because people kept stealing the rolls of copper wire from their site.

pghin08
11-03-2011, 10:10 AM
Is this the same people that say the unemployment rate is at 9.1% in America?

Unemployment is a far more fungible number than violent crime rates.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 10:11 AM
Ya, i should have been more specific...crime that involves poverty will continue to rise. (theft, B & E, etc.) But don't be naive violent crimes will rise sooner or later. It just matters how desperate people get for food...

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 10:13 AM
Unemployment is a far more fungible number than violent crime rates.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
I've got a question for you. I was on unemployment and it ran out. Do they still keep track of me since i'm not on unemployment now and how do i exactly get put into that 9.1% figure? Because i'm unemployed, right now...

duane1969
11-03-2011, 10:14 AM
Is this the same people that say the unemployment rate is at 9.1% in America?

The joke of that number is that it doesn't take into account all of the people who have had their benefits run out or people who never had benefits to draw to begin with.

sanfran22
11-03-2011, 10:14 AM
I've got a question for you. I was on unemployment and it ran out. Do they still keep track of me since i'm not on unemployment now and how do i exactly get put into that 9.1% figure? Because i'm unemployed, right now...

I don't think they count you anymore.

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 10:18 AM
I don't think they count you anymore.
I know, i just wanted to see what he said...:winking0071:

duane1969
11-03-2011, 10:18 AM
I've got a question for you. I was on unemployment and it ran out. Do they still keep track of me since i'm not on unemployment now and how do i exactly get put into that 9.1% figure? Because i'm unemployed, right now...

No, you are not part of that 9.1%. That is what I was saying in my last post. That 9.1% represents data collected from the government and they base their numbers on applications for unemployment benefits.

If I had to guess I would say that true unemployment is more in the area of 15-18%. In a county that borders mine they have a true unemployment rate of 25%.

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 10:19 AM
The joke of that number is that it doesn't take into account all of the people who have had their benefits run out or people who never had benefits to draw to begin with.
That's why that number doesn't mean a thing...

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 10:19 AM
No, you are not part of that 9.1%. That is what I was saying in my last post. That 9.1% represents data collected from the government and they base their numbers on applications for unemployment benefits.

If I had to guess I would say that true unemployment is more in the area of 15-18%. In a county that borders mine they have a true unemployment rate of 25%.
Ya, i agree...

pghin08
11-03-2011, 10:21 AM
No, you are not part of that 9.1%. That is what I was saying in my last post. That 9.1% represents data collected from the government and they base their numbers on applications for unemployment benefits.

If I had to guess I would say that true unemployment is more in the area of 15-18%. In a county that borders mine they have a true unemployment rate of 25%.


You're right on. I agree 110%. I'm not arguing the unemployment number at all. When you include underemployment as well, the numbers skyrocket. Crime rates are way different though. You never get "dropped out" of the statistics. Crime is crime. Look at the chart, EVERY felony listed has fallen since the early 1990s. It's not an accident.

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 10:23 AM
You're right on. I agree 110%. I'm not arguing the unemployment number at all. When you include underemployment as well, the numbers skyrocket. Crime rates are way different though. You never get "dropped out" of the statistics. Crime is crime. Look at the chart, EVERY felony listed has fallen since the early 1990s. It's not an accident.
I have a hard time believing those numbers. Because to my understanding we have record numbers in prison...

pghin08
11-03-2011, 10:28 AM
I have a hard time believing those numbers. Because to my understanding we have record numbers in prison...

That has way more to do with our incarceration system than the prisoners themselves. When compared to a lot of the Western world, we have ridiculous prison terms and more punishable crimes (marijuana possesion, among others). The numbers are crystal clear though, there's no getting around it.

mikesilvia
11-03-2011, 11:58 AM
Here is a question for all. Won't we always have poor? Regardless of capitalism or socialism, democracy or communism?

Also, while those numbers are bad, aren't our poor living in the best standard of living for the poor? We have the most overweight poor in the world.

Not trying to be harsh, but asking the simple question. Won't we always have poor? We've spent trillions since the "war on poverty" under LBJ, and we still have poor. It's unfortunate, but having a lower class is part of every society regardless how "rich" or success full the society is.

pghin08
11-03-2011, 12:18 PM
Here is a question for all. Won't we always have poor? Regardless of capitalism or socialism, democracy or communism?

Also, while those numbers are bad, aren't our poor living in the best standard of living for the poor? We have the most overweight poor in the world.

Not trying to be harsh, but asking the simple question. Won't we always have poor? We've spent trillions since the "war on poverty" under LBJ, and we still have poor. It's unfortunate, but having a lower class is part of every society regardless how "rich" or success full the society is.

You're right, we've always (and will always) have poor people. We just don't have to like it.

duane1969
11-03-2011, 12:37 PM
Here is a question for all. Won't we always have poor? Regardless of capitalism or socialism, democracy or communism?

Also, while those numbers are bad, aren't our poor living in the best standard of living for the poor? We have the most overweight poor in the world.

Not trying to be harsh, but asking the simple question. Won't we always have poor? We've spent trillions since the "war on poverty" under LBJ, and we still have poor. It's unfortunate, but having a lower class is part of every society regardless how "rich" or success full the society is.

There is no doubt. You simply can not make people go to work and living off of the government will never be a profitable lifestyle so there will always be poor.

sanfran22
11-03-2011, 02:00 PM
Here is a question for all. Won't we always have poor? Regardless of capitalism or socialism, democracy or communism?

Also, while those numbers are bad, aren't our poor living in the best standard of living for the poor? We have the most overweight poor in the world.

Not trying to be harsh, but asking the simple question. Won't we always have poor? We've spent trillions since the "war on poverty" under LBJ, and we still have poor. It's unfortunate, but having a lower class is part of every society regardless how "rich" or success full the society is.

I agree 100%. We could give everyone in this country millions of dollars each and we'd still have poverty. It's much deeper then the libs mentality of throw money at the problem....

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 02:32 PM
Here is a question for all. Won't we always have poor? Regardless of capitalism or socialism, democracy or communism?

Also, while those numbers are bad, aren't our poor living in the best standard of living for the poor? We have the most overweight poor in the world.

Not trying to be harsh, but asking the simple question. Won't we always have poor? We've spent trillions since the "war on poverty" under LBJ, and we still have poor. It's unfortunate, but having a lower class is part of every society regardless how "rich" or success full the society is.
You're right we will always have poor as long as we are too busy taking care of other countries poor and not worrying about the poor in the US...we also have the wealthiest country, but one of the worst healthcare systems compared to other countries also...

American the beautiful? :winking0071:

sanfran22
11-03-2011, 02:48 PM
You're right we will always have poor as long as we are too busy taking care of other countries poor and not worrying about the poor in the US...we also have the wealthiest country, but one of the worst healthcare systems compared to other countries also...

American the beautiful? :winking0071:

We have some of the best healthcare in the world although there is always room for improvement. The stat you are probably reading is very misleading. Doesn't take into account a great many things.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125608054324397621.html

habsheaven
11-03-2011, 04:00 PM
Keep in mind that for all the reasons mentioned that the unemployment rate is too low, there is the countering affect of "under-the-table" jobs that are not being recorded by the government either.

theonedru
11-03-2011, 04:15 PM
Oddly enough, violent crime has been in steep decline across the US since the early 1990s.

Thugs can no longer afford bullets for their guns or gas for their cars in this economy and it would look just plain silly to try and pull a drive by on a bike with a water gun or slingshot.

But seriously I think those numbers are a little fudged and its actually a lot worse than anyone will admit

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 04:16 PM
thugs can no longer afford bullets for their guns or gas for their cars in this economy and it would look just plain silly to try and pull a drive by on a bike with a water gun or slingshot.

but seriously i think those numbers are a little fudged and its actually a lot worse than anyone will admit
lol...

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 04:16 PM
We have some of the best healthcare in the world although there is always room for improvement. The stat you are probably reading is very misleading. Doesn't take into account a great many things.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125608054324397621.html
Really? How many people in this world have 0% healthcare, again? I can count on my one hand how many jobs i've worked at that actually offered healthcare...i mean not unless you are talking about working for minimum wage and spending half your check on this awesome healthcare that millions can not afford in America...

theonedru
11-03-2011, 04:22 PM
You're right we will always have poor as long as we are too busy taking care of other countries poor and not worrying about the poor in the US...we also have the wealthiest country, but one of the worst healthcare systems compared to other countries also...

American the beautiful? :winking0071:

We are not the wealthiest country when we are riding a 15 trillion $ debt, there are countries way wealthier than ours due to the fact they carry less of a debt, we need to learn to understand this. We are a sad nation who ignore a lot of plights that need addressed but we prefer the ' if we ignore it then it doesn't exist mentality " and that's the main thing that needs changed, we need to start taking baby steps toward positive changes

theonedru
11-03-2011, 04:25 PM
health care should be free along with education because life and education are rights not privileges.

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 04:27 PM
We are not the wealthiest country when we are riding a 15 trillion $ debt, there are countries way wealthier than ours due to the fact they carry less of a debt, we need to learn to understand this. We are a sad nation who ignore a lot of plights that need addressed but we prefer the ' if we ignore it then it doesn't exist mentality " and that's the main thing that needs changed, we need to start taking baby steps toward positive changes
I agree with 100% of what you just stated. Sadly, every website says we are the wealthiest country in the world...

America is in a lot of trouble...

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 04:29 PM
health care should be free along with education because life and education are rights not privileges.
God, i think i love you...

Canada has it this way...How come America can't have it this way too? We all know the answer to that. America is just too greedy to care...

duwal
11-03-2011, 06:18 PM
Here is a question for all. Won't we always have poor? Regardless of capitalism or socialism, democracy or communism?

Also, while those numbers are bad, aren't our poor living in the best standard of living for the poor? We have the most overweight poor in the world.

Not trying to be harsh, but asking the simple question. Won't we always have poor? We've spent trillions since the "war on poverty" under LBJ, and we still have poor. It's unfortunate, but having a lower class is part of every society regardless how "rich" or success full the society is.


yes, the U.S. has pretty much the same percentages of poor since back in the 1800's only now there are a lot more people complaining about it instead of trying to get out of it. There are jobs out there but there are also some people out there that just don't want to take a job they think might be beneath them or don't want to go out of their way to find one. Maybe they don't want to go to school and try to learn another trait.

pghin08
11-03-2011, 06:22 PM
yes, the U.S. has pretty much the same percentages of poor since back in the 1800's only now there are a lot more people complaining about it instead of trying to get out of it. There are jobs out there but there are also some people out there that just don't want to take a job they think might be beneath them or don't want to go out of their way to find one. Maybe they don't want to go to school and try to learn another trait.

I understand people not wanting to go back to school. With the meteoric rise in university tuition, why would they take on more debt when it won't come close to guaranteeing them a job when they get out?

You're right, there are lots of jobs out there, but they fit into two categories: Retail type, low wage jobs, or high-education jobs. They just don't seem like a fit for most of them.

duwal
11-03-2011, 06:36 PM
I understand people not wanting to go back to school. With the meteoric rise in university tuition, why would they take on more debt when it won't come close to guaranteeing them a job when they get out?

You're right, there are lots of jobs out there, but they fit into two categories: Retail type, low wage jobs, or high-education jobs. They just don't seem like a fit for most of them.


but if they are unemployed or struggling to get by why should they care if a job doesn't seem like a fit for them. If they can get the job and collect the paycheck thats all that matters. Later when things work out better they can possibly switch to what they want to do

pghin08
11-03-2011, 06:43 PM
but if they are unemployed or struggling to get by why should they care if a job doesn't seem like a fit for them. If they can get the job and collect the paycheck thats all that matters. Later when things work out better they can possibly switch to what they want to do

I think that's just a really difficult pill to swallow. I know a few unemployed people who are so caught up with finding a job even remotely close to their old one that it takes up most of their time.

duane1969
11-03-2011, 07:27 PM
health care should be free along with education because life and education are rights not privileges.

Life is a right. Health care is not.

pghin08
11-03-2011, 07:31 PM
Life is a right. Health care is not.

So the preservation of life isn't a right?

theonedru
11-03-2011, 07:43 PM
Life is a right. Health care is not.

Your health is your life and your life your health if you get ill you should be able to be cured without the threat of losing your house and lifesaving's. Its ridiculous that everything someone works hard for all their lives can be taken away at their weakest moment. And its all due to greed and valuing the almighty $ over someones life. There is no problem with a health company making profit but not at the risk of someones health, if they cannot do both then they do not deserve to be in business simply because they know not what they are doing.

theonedru
11-03-2011, 07:45 PM
So the preservation of life isn't a right?

According to some its just cheaper and or better to just let people die sometimes. Just ask surgeons and insurance companies..

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 07:49 PM
yes, the U.S. has pretty much the same percentages of poor since back in the 1800's only now there are a lot more people complaining about it instead of trying to get out of it. There are jobs out there but there are also some people out there that just don't want to take a job they think might be beneath them or don't want to go out of their way to find one. Maybe they don't want to go to school and try to learn another trait.
Ya, because getting a job in this economy is sooo easy! Did you ever think to run for President? :rolleyes:

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 07:51 PM
Life is a right. Health care is not.
Your right...not in the good ol' America it's not. In Canada it is though...don't say much for America, aye? :winking0071:

Hilfiger1975
11-03-2011, 07:52 PM
According to some its just cheaper and or better to just let people die sometimes. Just ask surgeons and insurance companies..
You have said three things in a row that I completely agree with! I'm starting to really like you...

tutall
11-03-2011, 08:44 PM
health care should be free along with education because life and education are rights not privileges.

define free.... free as in you dont have the money or the energy to go work for it so I'll pick up the tab? No thank you... I could get behind a state run healthcare system for kids, afterall... It isnt their fault mom and dad are lazy but once you hit 18 or out of college it is your responsibility.

duane1969
11-03-2011, 08:58 PM
So the preservation of life isn't a right?

Is that what I said?

Life is a right. Government/society provided health care is not a right.


Your health is your life and your life your health if you get ill you should be able to be cured without the threat of losing your house and lifesaving's. Its ridiculous that everything someone works hard for all their lives can be taken away at their weakest moment. And its all due to greed and valuing the almighty $ over someones life. There is no problem with a health company making profit but not at the risk of someones health, if they cannot do both then they do not deserve to be in business simply because they know not what they are doing.

Health is a personal responsibility, not the responsibility of others. While I agree that health care that is affordable and reasonable in quality is a "right", it is not an inaliable "God-given" right.

duane1969
11-03-2011, 09:08 PM
Ya, because getting a job in this economy is sooo easy! Did you ever think to run for President? :rolleyes:

Depends on your area. While they are not high paying jobs, there are jobs to be had in my area. In fact, there are better paying jobs to be had as well if you have the right experience or degree.

duwal
11-03-2011, 10:09 PM
Ya, because getting a job in this economy is sooo easy! Did you ever think to run for President? :rolleyes:


actually it is sooo easy with some effort. Most people that are unemployed probably are just looking for something specific or only in a general area. There are pages of classified job prospects in every county, more possibilities if the look further

jaybird_1981
11-03-2011, 11:48 PM
actually it is sooo easy with some effort. Most people that are unemployed probably are just looking for something specific or only in a general area. There are pages of classified job prospects in every county, more possibilities if the look further

I think a lot of people do seem to be tied down to one area or another.

I know right now my wife never wants to leave where we live but I have to travel for work all the time. Right now I am away from home for 6 months but it is what I have to do to keep my family where they want to live.

theonedru
11-04-2011, 05:01 AM
Health is a personal responsibility, not the responsibility of others. While I agree that health care that is affordable and reasonable in quality is a "right", it is not an inaliable "God-given" right.

A person develops an aggressive disease and they cannot afford treatment do we let them die or do we say forget the cost your life means more to us than pieces of paper with numbers on them? Its that simple; We are 15 trillion+ in the hole in all reality our money is garbage anyways....... Which means we actually do work hard for nothing, that just came to me now maybe its a good excuse to take a 3 day weekend.

duane1969
11-04-2011, 09:01 AM
A person develops an aggressive disease and they cannot afford treatment do we let them die or do we say forget the cost your life means more to us than pieces of paper with numbers on them? Its that simple; We are 15 trillion+ in the hole in all reality our money is garbage anyways....... Which means we actually do work hard for nothing, that just came to me now maybe its a good excuse to take a 3 day weekend.

I get what you are saying but it doesn't make health care a right. Just because we have compasion and want people to be healthy and live long lives does not mean that they have an inaliable right to health care.

Two people are stranded on an island. Person A has the right to not be killed by Person B. Person A has the right to not be molested, assaulted or injured by Person B. Person A has the right to not be robbed by Person B. Person A gets a cold but does not have the "right" to make Person B take care of him/her while he/she is ill.

What I am hearing from you is that in your opinion it is a "right" to have health care because it is owed to us by a government that spends frivilously. I can get behind that idea. But saying that it is a right because you feel it is owed is erroneous.

Hilfiger1975
11-04-2011, 01:07 PM
Depends on your area. While they are not high paying jobs, there are jobs to be had in my area. In fact, there are better paying jobs to be had as well if you have the right experience or degree.
Ya, since people coming out of college are having fun finding a job...ALL over America...EVEN in your plentiful job town/city...

duane1969
11-04-2011, 01:16 PM
Hey I am just telling you what I know. It may be hard to find a job in your area but not all areas.

Here is a link to our local job service office in case you feel like moving LOL. As you can see, there are plenty of jobs to be had in my county (Greenbrier) and the neighboring county (Pocahontas), and these don't include places like WalMart, KMart, etc. that are hiring on their own. I know WalMart has sings when you walk in that say "Hiring All Positions."

http://www.wron.com/Jobs/default.htm

Hilfiger1975
11-04-2011, 01:22 PM
Hey I am just telling you what I know. It may be hard to find a job in your area but not all areas.

Here is a link to our local job service office in case you feel like moving LOL. As you can see, there are plenty of jobs to be had in my county (Greenbrier) and the neighboring county (Pocahontas), and these don't include places like WalMart, KMart, etc. that are hiring on their own. I know WalMart has sings when you walk in that say "Hiring All Positions."

http://www.wron.com/Jobs/default.htm
Sadly, not everyone lives near your area...but it does look like your area is better than others...who knows i maybe your neighbor some day...

duane1969
11-04-2011, 01:31 PM
Sadly, not everyone lives near your area...but it does look like your area is better than others...who knows i maybe your neighbor some day...

Come on down (or over, or up...).

Hilfiger1975
11-04-2011, 01:33 PM
Come on down (or over, or up...).
I'm from Ohio...:winking0071:

I'm currently in college...

duane1969
11-04-2011, 01:52 PM
I'm from Ohio...:winking0071:

I'm currently in college...

What part of Ohio? I have friends and family up around Ashtabula.

Seriously, WV gets a lot of crap for being "uneducated rednecks" but we are doing OK. Our government is not in debt like most states, jobs are fairly available, there is a movement to increase industries since it appears that coal will be outlawed soon...

Hilfiger1975
11-04-2011, 01:53 PM
What part of Ohio? I have friends and family up around Ashtabula.

Seriously, WV gets a lot of crap for being "uneducated rednecks" but we are doing OK. Our government is not in debt like most states, jobs are fairly available, there is a movement to increase industries since it appears that coal will be outlawed soon...
NE Ohio...Elyria to be exact...

sanfran22
11-04-2011, 02:36 PM
Ya, since people coming out of college are having fun finding a job...ALL over America...EVEN in your plentiful job town/city...

Probably because their expectations are too high for alot of reasons. That's a whole nother topic right there....

sanfran22
11-04-2011, 02:37 PM
Also, since I see some whining on the gap widening. Anyone have a take why it's widening? Just curious.

duwal
11-04-2011, 02:45 PM
Probably because their expectations are too high for alot of reasons. That's a whole nother topic right there....


but its true, every single town paper has job opportunities

sanfran22
11-04-2011, 02:51 PM
but its true, every single town paper has job opportunities

I agree, I've had trouble getting help at times. Truth is, a ton more people go to college then in the past. Now they think since they have a degree in turf management, they are worth x amount of dollars. They wont take less and wont take a job not in their field a lot of times...

pghin08
11-04-2011, 02:56 PM
I agree, I've had trouble getting help at times. Truth is, a ton more people go to college then in the past. Now they think since they have a degree in turf management, they are worth x amount of dollars. They wont take less and wont take a job not in their field a lot of times...

Actually, most college kids are okay with this. I was okay with taking a job out of my field of study, as were most of my friends. It's the people who were formerly entrenched in an old job/field who are having trouble grasping the fact that they can't get a similar job nowadays.

sanfran22
11-04-2011, 03:03 PM
Actually, most college kids are okay with this. I was okay with taking a job out of my field of study, as were most of my friends. It's the people who were formerly entrenched in an old job/field who are having trouble grasping the fact that they can't get a similar job nowadays.

No in my experiences. At least not until they are forced to for one reason or another.

pghin08
11-04-2011, 03:17 PM
No in my experiences. At least not until they are forced to for one reason or another.

Well, yeah. Everyone wants to get a job in their field. My point is that I don't know many college kids who have been out of work for a few months or a year who are only applying for jobs related to their field of study. I'm a perfect example. I was a Political Science major. Couldn't get a job in my field for a month or so after I graduated. Got a job in finance, no big thing. Most of my friends that didn't get a job in their field almost immediately did the exact same thing I did.

sanfran22
11-04-2011, 03:20 PM
Well, yeah. Everyone wants to get a job in their field. My point is that I don't know many college kids who have been out of work for a few months or a year who are only applying for jobs related to their field of study. I'm a perfect example. I was a Political Science major. Couldn't get a job in my field for a month or so after I graduated. Got a job in finance, no big thing. Most of my friends that didn't get a job in their field almost immediately did the exact same thing I did.

Which opens up another point about college. Way to many worthless degrees being offered with false expectations.

pghin08
11-04-2011, 03:22 PM
Which opens up another point about college. Way to many worthless degrees being offered with false expectations.

Yes. Unequivocally yes.

jaybird_1981
11-04-2011, 03:34 PM
Which opens up another point about college. Way to many worthless degrees being offered with false expectations.

You mean that Art History degree may not have been the best thing to rack up 120,000 dollars on student loans? Who woulda thunk it.

mrveggieman
11-04-2011, 03:34 PM
Which opens up another point about college. Way to many worthless degrees being offered with false expectations.


A lot of these kids go to college just for the sake of going and have no idea what the want to do with their life. They may chose a major because it's easy but when you ask them what they plan to do with their degree they look at you like this :confused0068:

pghin08
11-04-2011, 03:38 PM
A lot of these kids go to college just for the sake of going and have no idea what the want to do with their life. They may chose a major because it's easy but when you ask them what they plan to do with their degree they look at you like this :confused0068:
Haha, I had everything planned out. I was going to graduate w/ my poli-sci degree and go work in Washington. But after being exposed to the political process and the corruption within during those 4 years, I decided that maybe I didn't want anything to do with it.

duwal
11-04-2011, 03:57 PM
Actually, most college kids are okay with this. I was okay with taking a job out of my field of study, as were most of my friends. It's the people who were formerly entrenched in an old job/field who are having trouble grasping the fact that they can't get a similar job nowadays.


true, its a good mix of both. My dad was working at an automotive service station as Parts Manager for GMC and Saturn. He had been working at GMC for over 25 years. Station gets closed down so he tried looking for that would center around his resume experience but also went online to University of Phoenix to get some different job courses.

He's only a few years from retirement but wanted a job mainly for health benefits for my stepmom and my 15 year old brother in case anything happened. Found one that an acquaintance from the parts job directed him to. Now he's driving a van delivering parts to various outlets. Its fine with him, he gets to drive around, smoke and listen to the radio all day. But I will bet you there were probably some 20 something's looking for a job and thought something like that was beneath their standards

Hilfiger1975
11-04-2011, 04:02 PM
but its true, every single town paper has job opportunities
That's the key word...doesn't mean you get hired...

Hilfiger1975
11-04-2011, 04:03 PM
Not too mention we are going to have another 40k troops coming home looking for work...

DunkingDurant35
11-04-2011, 04:46 PM
I'm glad opportunities and expectations have been brought up here; they are huge factors in many cases. I think it's a little too easy for us to get caught up in generalizations and statistics without considering individuals and what they have gone through in their respective lives.

In my case, I was the model student from day one: little Khendra, the "prof," with her huge vocabulary and high grades. I started college a year early, eventually graduating c um laude with a degree in English. I believed what people told me: as a female who writes well, secretarial jobs would be right up my alley.

Wrong.

My best talent is taking an abstract concept and reflecting on it/delineating it in about 500 different ways, NOT multi-tasking concrete clerical operations with massive speed. After failing as a receptionist and paralegal, despite trying my best in those professions, I went through a period of depression and self-doubt, wondering why I loved and excelled at academics when so many people hated it, and why I couldn't excel in the "real world" when so many people loved it.

If I'd listened to radical libs, I'd live off the government. If I'd listened to radical cons, they'd tell me my success in college was luck and that I'm a lazy no-gooder who should have mapped out my entire life at age 18 rather than continue to hope I may have any success in life now that I'm 26.

Thankfully, I ignored both camps and went back to get my Master's degree. Since I succeeded in education growing up, I figured chances are about as good as any that I would succeed in the field itself.

With all that said, people need to consider what they are best at and try to find the profession where they can have the best chance to succeed. Not everyone is going to be great at burger-flipping or keeping track of medical records even though there are many of these sorts of jobs out there. On the flip side, not everyone is going to be great at writing 20-page research papers on expressivist rhetoric - in fact, most people aren't - but I can take that talent and encourage others with it as a teacher.

Hilfiger1975
11-04-2011, 04:48 PM
I'm glad opportunities and expectations have been brought up here; they are huge factors in many cases. I think it's a little too easy for us to get caught up in generalizations and statistics without considering individuals and what they have gone through in their respective lives.

In my case, I was the model student from day one: little Khendra, the "prof," with her huge vocabulary and high grades. I started college a year early, eventually graduating c um laude with a degree in English. I believed what people told me: as a female who writes well, secretarial jobs would be right up my alley.

Wrong.

My best talent is taking an abstract concept and reflecting on it/delineating it in about 500 different ways, NOT multi-tasking concrete clerical operations with massive speed. After failing as a receptionist and paralegal, despite trying my best in those professions, I went through a period of depression and self-doubt, wondering why I loved and excelled at academics when so many people hated it, and why I couldn't excel in the "real world" when so many people loved it.

If I'd listened to radical libs, I'd live off the government. If I'd listened to radical cons, they'd tell me my success in college was luck and that I'm a lazy no-gooder who should have mapped out my entire life at age 18 rather than continue to hope I may have any success in life now that I'm 26.

Thankfully, I ignored both camps and went back to get my Master's degree. Since I succeeded in education growing up, I figured chances are about as good as any that I would succeed in the field itself.

With all that said, people need to consider what they are best at and try to find the profession where they can have the best chance to succeed. Not everyone is going to be great at burger-flipping or keeping track of medical records even though there are many of these sorts of jobs out there. On the flip side, not everyone is going to be great at writing 20-page research papers on expressivist rhetoric - in fact, most people aren't - but I can take that talent and encourage others with it as a teacher.
Very good read! :love0030:

tutall
11-04-2011, 07:29 PM
NE Ohio...Elyria to be exact...

Scoot on over to NE Indiana... we have high paying jobs (compared to our cost of living expenses) that are plentiful. You have to be willing to work but if you are there are plenty of places hiring.

angel0430
11-08-2011, 03:28 PM
When I hear the word poverty I get irritated. A lot of people claim to be poor, to not have a job but they have the new Iphone, a new X-Box and the likes. So I have to see it to believe it and not all statistics are accurate.

@ Khendra: Nice read. Thanks for sharing.

duane1969
11-08-2011, 05:04 PM
A lot of these kids go to college just for the sake of going and have no idea what the want to do with their life. They may chose a major because it's easy but when you ask them what they plan to do with their degree they look at you like this :confused0068:

I agree with you 100%. Part of the problem is that the system perpetuates kids going to college with no idea of what they want to do. As soon as they graduate they are awarded scholarships which they have to use immediately or lose them. The net result is kids going to college just to prevent losing that opportunity.

Perhaps if scholarships were good for a few years it would allow kids to graduate from college, have a job or two in the real world for a while and develop a sense of what they want to do with their lives and then go to college with some real life experiences and a sense of direction.

As it stands now, a 17 or 18 year old kid has to decide what they want to do for the next 50 years. Very few people know what they want to do for the rest of their lives the day that they graduate.

MadMan1978
11-08-2011, 08:12 PM
You are correct but that is moreso violent crimes, right?

I know around here there have been a rise in issues with petty theft and larceny. One construction site had to hire a security guard because people kept stealing the rolls of copper wire from their site.
NOW thats a sign of the times...


Side not a guy here in this state was attracted after he tired to take manhole cover to the scrap yard...not a bad idea expec the name of the city was on man hole covers....

duane1969
11-09-2011, 07:55 AM
NOW thats a sign of the times...


Side not a guy here in this state was attracted after he tired to take manhole cover to the scrap yard...not a bad idea expec the name of the city was on man hole covers....

Oh!! I heard about that! It was on our local news for some reason.