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mrveggieman
12-06-2011, 08:11 AM
As much as I despise 99% of what the republican party stands for I'm going to take my hat off to them for helping out this time around. Every time I turn the news on there is always someone getting robbed at Tech.

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/some-tech-students-want-1252186.html

duane1969
12-06-2011, 08:19 AM
Since Federal gun laws prohibit handgun purchases or ownership until age 21 then a limited amount of students would even be eligible to carry.

How about a significant increase in police presence? Reduce the campus police man hours in daytime and increase man hours for night time or periods of high crime. A college campus is such a microcosm of society. It is so contained and defined. How could a competent police force not be able to effectively patrol it?

mrveggieman
12-06-2011, 08:27 AM
Since Federal gun laws prohibit handgun purchases or ownership until age 21 then a limited amount of students would even be eligible to carry.

How about a significant increase in police presence? Reduce the campus police man hours in daytime and increase man hours for night time or periods of high crime. A college campus is such a microcosm of society. It is so contained and defined. How could a competent police force not be able to effectively patrol it?


A compentent police force would help out. However I know first hand GA Tech police are very incompetent not to mention racist. If the would spend more time chasing criminals and not racially profilling people mabey their campus would be safer. I'm just saying....

duane1969
12-06-2011, 08:40 AM
A compentent police force would help out. However I know first hand GA Tech police are very incompetent not to mention racist. If the would spend more time chasing criminals and not racially profilling people mabey their campus would be safer. I'm just saying....

Incompetence is an issue and needs to be addressed with discipline and firing. Racial profiling is an issue, no doubt. Again, there is someone at the top of the food chain that needs to be dealing with it.

If parents/students want to get the attention of the GT staff then they need to take action. A protest is fine but if you really want to get their attention then you hit them where it hurts...in the pocketbook. A few lawsuits for failure to provide a safe campus would help. A few thousand transfers for the spring semester would help too.

I am not sure handguns is the answer. I wouldn't want my child going to college where a bunch of college kids are packing.

angel0430
12-06-2011, 08:55 AM
I believe that is some states you are not allowed to cary guns on educational facilities. I have no idea if GA is one of them. This is a dumb idea especially since some of you are saying that race is an issue on campus. This can bring more violence thatn protection.

mrveggieman
12-06-2011, 09:17 AM
I believe that is some states you are not allowed to cary guns on educational facilities. I have no idea if GA is one of them. This is a dumb idea especially since some of you are saying that race is an issue on campus. This can bring more violence thatn protection.


Atlanta is a pretty diverse city. I can't really say the school has any more of a racial problem than society as a whole. It's just their police dept. I am all for people having the right to defend themselves. The state of Georgia is pretty gun friendly why can't their colleges be too?

angel0430
12-06-2011, 10:24 AM
Atlanta is a pretty diverse city. I can't really say the school has any more of a racial problem than society as a whole. It's just their police dept. I am all for people having the right to defend themselves. The state of Georgia is pretty gun friendly why can't their colleges be too?

I am just saying, do u really need a lot of students and visitors carrying guns on campus? If you let this happen there is going to be a lot of guns and no control of it on campus. I think the solution is to use more resources during the time of high crimes...use surveillance cameras, etc

mrveggieman
12-06-2011, 10:31 AM
I am just saying, do u really need a lot of students and visitors carrying guns on campus? If you let this happen there is going to be a lot of guns and no control of it on campus. I think the solution is to use more resources during the time of high crimes...use surveillance cameras, etc


I don't have a problem with survelliance camers in high crime areas and I also think that potential criminals would think twice about robbing someone if they knew that there would be a greater chance that their potential victim would be armed.

duane1969
12-06-2011, 10:46 AM
At my son's college they have an escort program. If a person feels threatened or unsafe they can call for an escort either by campus police or by a student group member that does it. Also, good lighting helps to reduce crime. I am not sure how well lit the campus is, but criminals tend to avoid well lit areas.

A campus that glows like a nuke went off there, high police presence after dark and safety-in-numbers would do more to reduce crime than armed students IMO.

INTIMADATOR2007
12-06-2011, 04:49 PM
Neal Boortz had a great piece on his radio show today about the violence at GT . Let the students arm themselfs and the Crime against them will stop ! That way the next time the police come many minutes after the crime they'll have something to clean up, A dead thug !

But it does my heart good to see stories like the GT thing turn out like this mugging that went bad ..lol
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/thug-pummeled-after-attempting-to-mug-chicago-man-who-turns-out-to-be-an-mma-fighter/

Star_Cards
12-06-2011, 04:58 PM
good point about the age limits on gun purchases. I wasn't aware of that.

I'm not really sure carrying guns on campus would be a solution. seems like it may cause more issues but not sure. I'd say boosting the police force on campus and adding other things such as security cameras or emergency phones/alarms would be more beneficial.

duwal
12-06-2011, 05:10 PM
good point about the age limits on gun purchases. I wasn't aware of that.

I'm not really sure carrying guns on campus would be a solution. seems like it may cause more issues but not sure. I'd say boosting the police force on campus and adding other things such as security cameras or emergency phones/alarms would be more beneficial.


absolutely, there would be more violence and more kids getting into trouble. Students that don't know how to properly use the firearm, students that react too fast or get jittery thinking something might happen. Also for the lone students like we've seen in the past that go on either a suicidal or romantic rampage, well now they don't have to be cautious or hesitate about bringing a gun to school because now they have a right and reason too. Instead of students getting into fist fights and brawling, now one or both will be able to pull out a weapon. More non-authoritative personnel bringing more guns into an environment will just result in more students or faculty getting shot.

theonedru
12-06-2011, 07:02 PM
absolutely, there would be more violence and more kids getting into trouble. Students that don't know how to properly use the firearm, students that react too fast or get jittery thinking something might happen. Also for the lone students like we've seen in the past that go on either a suicidal or romantic rampage, well now they don't have to be cautious or hesitate about bringing a gun to school because now they have a right and reason too. Instead of students getting into fist fights and brawling, now one or both will be able to pull out a weapon. More non-authoritative personnel bringing more guns into an environment will just result in more students or faculty getting shot.


" students that react too fast or get jittery thinking something might happen. Also for the lone students like we've seen in the past that go on either a suicidal or romantic rampage, "

This is a major point that needs to be pointed out time and time again, someone walking late at night hears someone else and freaks out and fires, next thing you know you have an unintentional murder on your hands.

Also I don't think the colleges want to be held legally liable for any mishaps that not may, but would occur.

mrveggieman
12-07-2011, 08:15 AM
Neal Boortz had a great piece on his radio show today about the violence at GT . Let the students arm themselfs and the Crime against them will stop ! That way the next time the police come many minutes after the crime they'll have something to clean up, A dead thug !

But it does my heart good to see stories like the GT thing turn out like this mugging that went bad ..lol
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/thug-pummeled-after-attempting-to-mug-chicago-man-who-turns-out-to-be-an-mma-fighter/


+1 Great story about the mugger getting whipped by the mma fighter. Do you remember the story a couple of years ago in College Park about the guy who went to see a girl and two clowns tried to rob him but he ended up killing one of the robbers and the other one ran off? I'm all for someone being able to arm themself for self defense.

duane1969
12-07-2011, 08:53 AM
I hate to say that this goes back to the parents, but in some regards it does. My wife and I are very up-front with our 16-year-old daughter about the risks that are out there. We do not sugar-coat it. Too often I see parents shelter their kids from the reality of life only to suffer heartache because of it. My daughter is fully aware that there are unscrupulous men out there. We have empowered her by teaching her safe and effective use of a firearm (she is the 2nd best shot in our house behind me), she is taking Ju Jitsu classes and she carries a non-firearm lethal self-defense weapon (Wild Kat keychain).

The term "Don't be a victim" applies to teaching your kids about the reality of outside life.

ensbergcollector
12-07-2011, 10:22 AM
I hate to say that this goes back to the parents, but in some regards it does. My wife and I are very up-front with our 16-year-old daughter about the risks that are out there. We do not sugar-coat it. Too often I see parents shelter their kids from the reality of life only to suffer heartache because of it. My daughter is fully aware that there are unscrupulous men out there. We have empowered her by teaching her safe and effective use of a firearm (she is the 2nd best shot in our house behind me), she is taking Ju Jitsu classes and she carries a non-firearm lethal self-defense weapon (Wild Kat keychain).

The term "Don't be a victim" applies to teaching your kids about the reality of outside life.

+1

my daughter is only 4 but we fully plan on teaching her a lot of things that will help her be safe later in life

duwal
12-07-2011, 11:21 AM
I hate to say that this goes back to the parents, but in some regards it does. My wife and I are very up-front with our 16-year-old daughter about the risks that are out there. We do not sugar-coat it. Too often I see parents shelter their kids from the reality of life only to suffer heartache because of it. My daughter is fully aware that there are unscrupulous men out there. We have empowered her by teaching her safe and effective use of a firearm (she is the 2nd best shot in our house behind me), she is taking Ju Jitsu classes and she carries a non-firearm lethal self-defense weapon (Wild Kat keychain).

The term "Don't be a victim" applies to teaching your kids about the reality of outside life.


but honestly that still doesn't mean anything. I mean someone can have all the training in the world but if they're still surprised by an attack a lot will still freeze up. Its one thing to go to a Ju Jitsu class with your friends in class and all dressed up in their fight clothes and a completely different one with leaving her friends after a dinner and getting grabbed from behind.

Just like for the school and giving the students weapon training. You don't know how someone will react except in a real life scenario. Just because they are well trained doesn't mean they will have a needed soldier mentality, more likely they'll either freeze up or overreact

duane1969
12-07-2011, 11:54 AM
but honestly that still doesn't mean anything. I mean someone can have all the training in the world but if they're still surprised by an attack a lot will still freeze up. Its one thing to go to a Ju Jitsu class with your friends in class and all dressed up in their fight clothes and a completely different one with leaving her friends after a dinner and getting grabbed from behind.

Just like for the school and giving the students weapon training. You don't know how someone will react except in a real life scenario. Just because they are well trained doesn't mean they will have a needed soldier mentality, more likely they'll either freeze up or overreact

It is better to be prepared and never need it than not be prepared and need it. The things you speak of are out of our control. Being prepared is not. A person who has zero training/preparation has zero chance that their training will kick in in that moment of need.