NTSB wants ban on cell phone usage while driving [Archive] - Sports Card Forum

Star_Cards

12-13-2011, 04:13 PM

tutall

12-13-2011, 04:17 PM

Indiana mad texting a ticketable offense, but only texting. If you are doing other stuff on your phone you are okay and an officer can't legally take your phone to see what exactly you were doing. waste of a law really.

Indianas was done more so that if you are involved in a serious accident and they can get your phone history you can be prosecuted for it. A couple months ago (before Indiana passed the law) I was driving through Michigan texting and got a ticket..... No idea it was even illegal... In fact that was the first I had ever heard of anything like it being illegal.

I dont agree with banning cell phones... A huge amount of the people on the road are using them and can drive and talk just fine.

AUTaxMan

12-13-2011, 04:22 PM

Terrible idea. Just another liberty that the government wants to take away. Text and drive at your own peril. Having a law against it isn't going to affect behavior.

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 04:30 PM

I think it is a great idea.

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 04:31 PM

To those who are against it- if your entire family was killed by a teen who was texting/driving, would you still be against it?

ensbergcollector

12-13-2011, 04:33 PM

To those who are against it- if your entire family was killed by a teen who was texting/driving, would you still be against it?

while i understand your logic, it isn't a good argument. wrecks have been caused by people changing the radio station, eating food, talking on the phone, reading a book, etc. you can't make anything that has led to a wreck illegal.

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 04:34 PM

while i understand your logic, it isn't a good argument. wrecks have been caused by people changing the radio station, eating food, talking on the phone, reading a book, etc. you can't make anything that has led to a wreck illegal.

Have you seen the stats for the number of deaths from texting/driving?

ensbergcollector

12-13-2011, 04:54 PM

Have you seen the stats for the number of deaths from texting/driving?

this isn't about texting though. it is about talking on the phone. a large number of states have already put in laws about texting while driving.

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 04:57 PM

this isn't about texting though. it is about talking on the phone. a large number of states have already put in laws about texting while driving.

Seriously?

NTSB wants ban on cell phone usage while driving

Cell phone USAGE. Texting, calling, browsing the internet.

tutall

12-13-2011, 04:58 PM

This is a very misleading comment in the article...

Distracted driving, some of it due to cellphone use, contributed to an estimated 3,092 deaths in highway crashes last year, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

How much of it?

tutall

12-13-2011, 04:59 PM

Seriously?

Cell phone USAGE. Texting, calling, browsing the internet.

As he already said... This is the first govt group asking for banning cell phone talking.... As he also already said many states have already banned texting so this article has little to do with the texting aspect and more with the talking aspect

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 05:00 PM

This is a very misleading comment in the article...

How much of it?

Checked:

Cell phone distraction causes 2,600 deaths and 330,000 injuries in the United States every year http://www.livescience.com/121-drivers-cell-phones-kill-thousands-snarl-traffic.html

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 05:03 PM

As he already said... This is the first govt group asking for banning cell phone talking.... As he also already said many states have already banned texting so this article has little to do with the texting aspect and more with the talking aspect

They want a ban on all cell phone conversations, not just talking.

The National Transportation Safety Board recommended Tuesday that all states and the District ban cellphone use behind the wheel, becoming the first federal agency to call for an outright ban on telephone conversations while driving.

“No call, no text, no update, is worth a human life,” said NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman. “It is time for all of us to stand up for safety by turning off electronic devices when driving.”

tutall

12-13-2011, 05:05 PM

Checked:

http://www.livescience.com/121-drivers-cell-phones-kill-thousands-snarl-traffic.html

great source....

Because data on cell phone use by motorists are limited, the range of uncertainty is wide, those researchers said. The estimate of fatalities in that HCRA report ranged between 800 and 8,000.

I would love to see how many people dies due to eating fast food in the car... Maybe we should ban drive thrus while we are at it... And changing of the radio station... And Ice on the roads... and kids in the backseat.... and

tutall

12-13-2011, 05:06 PM

They want a ban on all cell phone conversations, not just talking.

:facepalm:

I know.... this is the first time though actual cell phone conversation has been brought up.... Texting has been banned before but not this part of cell phone use... If you still dont get the point pm me your number and Ill text you more about it on the way home tonight

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 05:08 PM

great source....

http://www.nsc.org/Pages/DeathbyCellPhone.aspx

2,600 deaths each year

http://minnesota-lawyer.com/accident-attorney/cell-phones-texting-and-driving-a-dangerous-mix/

12,000 serious injuries and 2,600 deaths each year. (Harvard Center of Risk Analysis).

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 05:09 PM

:facepalm:

I know.... this is the first time though actual cell phone conversation has been brought up.... Texting has been banned before but not this part of cell phone use... If you still dont get the point pm me your number and Ill text you more about it on the way home tonight

Hundreds of organizations have brought up this issue before. They are not the first.

edit- government, yes, they are the first.

tutall

12-13-2011, 05:12 PM

According to one estimate, cell phone use is a factor in 6 percent of all crashes, which equates to 636,000 crashes, 330,000 injuries, 12,000 serious injuries and 2,600 deaths each year

So... you estimate 6 percent of all accidents then take all other situations, multiply them by 6 percent and use those numbers as facts....

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 05:16 PM

So... you estimate 6 percent of all accidents then take all other situations, multiply them by 6 percent and use those numbers as facts....

I cant find anything.

tutall

12-13-2011, 05:21 PM

I cant find anything.

Thats my biggest problem with all of these laws people are making... Imnot saying there arent wrecks that happen because of cell phones but if safety is honestly your concern there are a lot of other things to ban with cell phones.... How about a ban on cold beer sales... or carry out beer sales... or smoking in the car, or drive thrus or radios in cars..... 10 years ago it was outlawing portable cd players in cars because people were looking at them and wrecked...

Plus... I would rather have my police force going after criminals and keeping my home and place of business safe than writing a kid a ticket for talking to his mom on his cell phone after school... Just a waste of time in my opinion

duane1969

12-13-2011, 05:37 PM

I am fine with it as long as there is some equality.

They need to also issue tickets for changing your radio station, talking to people in the car with you, lighting a cigarette, eating, drinking, applying make-up, rolling up/down your window, picking your nose and adjusting your mirrors.

All of these things require taking a hand off of the wheel and distract you from committing your full attention to driving so they all should be ticketable offenses.

andrewhoya

12-13-2011, 06:58 PM

Thats my biggest problem with all of these laws people are making... Imnot saying there arent wrecks that happen because of cell phones but if safety is honestly your concern there are a lot of other things to ban with cell phones.... How about a ban on cold beer sales... or carry out beer sales... or smoking in the car, or drive thrus or radios in cars..... 10 years ago it was outlawing portable cd players in cars because people were looking at them and wrecked...

Plus... I would rather have my police force going after criminals and keeping my home and place of business safe than writing a kid a ticket for talking to his mom on his cell phone after school... Just a waste of time in my opinion

I'd love to see smoking in the car be banned.

as for police going after criminals- this would promote jobs. More cops needed to enforce laws=more police needed.

shortking98

12-13-2011, 07:10 PM

I can tell you here in Connecticut cell phones have been banned while driving for a while. They banned talking on them while driving first and then texting after (probably should have gone the other way around but I guess texting wasn't as big an issue initially. Hands free is still legal as far as I know it but they barely enforce any of this so it doesn't have a huge effect. People get tickets for it but not enough to really discourage it and you still see terrible drivers on their phone all the time.
9 times out of 10 when I see someone driving 60 in the left lane, drifting across their lanes, not signaling etc. it ends up being someone on their phone, fixing makeup, reading (yes it is crazy but I've seen it). I wish people would just have the common sense to know their limitations and realize they could kill not only themselves but plenty of other people from their carelessness.

tsjct

12-13-2011, 08:30 PM

Drinking and Driving is Illegal so Talking on a phone, texting on a phone, Surfing the net on a phone should be illegal also. I depend on my cell phone for business but i can do without it while i am behind the wheel.

tutall

12-13-2011, 09:54 PM

I'd love to see smoking in the car be banned.

as for police going after criminals- this would promote jobs. More cops needed to enforce laws=more police needed.

I dont think adding more police is a good thing....

theonedru

12-13-2011, 10:31 PM

What kind of a pathetic loser talks/texts while driving these days while knowing they can put others lives at risks, these laws do not go far enough... Americans are so pathetic when it comes to basic reasoning...........

theonedru

12-13-2011, 10:37 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57342254/ntsb-driver-texted-11-times-before-deadly-crash/

Hersman said. "No call, no text, no update is worth a human life."

Enough said......

AUTaxMan

12-14-2011, 12:04 AM

Not to government's job to do this. At what point does the nanny state end?

theonedru

12-14-2011, 12:33 AM

Not to government's job to do this. At what point does the nanny state end?

When Americans have the intelligence to realize not to do stuff like this ... So never

themanishere

12-14-2011, 01:28 AM

Enough people are terrible drivers as is...

Maybe the bigger issue is that we need stricter testing for licenses and such.

Hairylemon

12-14-2011, 02:08 AM

Terrible idea. Just another liberty that the government wants to take away. Text and drive at your own peril. Having a law against it isn't going to affect behavior.

But you are not just texting/talking at your own peril are you. You are risking the lives of everyone else on the road/sidewalk with your inability to just pull over to use your phone.

theonedru

12-14-2011, 02:46 AM

But you are not just texting/talking at your own peril are you. You are risking the lives of everyone else on the road/sidewalk with your inability to just pull over to use your phone.

Here in America people will do this and other dangerous practices with little regard having people or their children in their cars so they don't really care much about other people in other vehicles.

gladdyontherise

12-14-2011, 07:31 AM

duane1969

12-14-2011, 07:58 AM

Like already mentioned, texting in Michigan while driving is not allowed already and I agree with it (I don't text while driving anyhow) but to ban talking on the phone would be silly. Yes, some people stink at multitasking or are horrid drivers to begin with, but should we ban singing in the car? Should we ban eating in the car? What is the difference between talking on the phone in a car and eating a sandwich in the car?

This is the point that I was getting at. I can dial contacts on my smart phone with one touch of my finger. It takes much longer and more of my attention to unwrap and eat a burger and fries.

Also, my phone has Talk2Text. I tap a button, talk into the phone just like I am having a conversation, it converts it to text, I hit send and it is done. With less effort than changing the radio station or rolling down a window I can send a text message.

Hairylemon

12-14-2011, 09:39 AM

I agree that the new smart phone has made things quicker and easier, but why not just pull over for a minute instead of taking a risk? Same goes with eating lunch behind the wheel or drinking a soda.

duane1969

12-14-2011, 10:16 AM

I agree that the new smart phone has made things quicker and easier, but why not just pull over for a minute instead of taking a risk? Same goes with eating lunch behind the wheel or drinking a soda.

I often do pull over, especially if I have to have an in-depth conversation. My point was that making a phone call, in many instances, is less distracting and takes less time than eating a burger or changing radio stations.

theonedru

12-14-2011, 03:32 PM

gladdyontherise

12-14-2011, 03:52 PM

Texting, talking, eating, doing your nails/make up, watching movies, speeding ect. What level of IQ do you need to register that this stuff is unsafe and should not be done while driving. I am sick of seeing people die because of others lack of common sense or decency

Should people not sing in their car now while we're at it? :rolleyes:

Texting/putting on makeup in the car while driving is dumb, but it IS possible to do other things and do it in a safe manner.

You must be the most perfect person ever though the way you are against almost anything. I mean I've never met anybody who goes the exact speed limit and never even goes 1 MPH over. Unless your going on cruise control which is more dangerous than speeding in a slower speed zone.

I'm still trying to figure out how even having hands free phone connection in the car would become illegal. It makes no sense

theonedru

12-14-2011, 04:16 PM

Should people not sing in their car now while we're at it? :rolleyes:

Texting/putting on makeup in the car while driving is dumb, but it IS possible to do other things and do it in a safe manner.

You must be the most perfect person ever though the way you are against almost anything. I mean I've never met anybody who goes the exact speed limit and never even goes 1 MPH over. Unless your going on cruise control which is more dangerous than speeding in a slower speed zone.

I'm still trying to figure out how even having hands free phone connection in the car would become illegal. It makes no sense

I would normally enter into a big rant here but will just say whatever, just because I don't like putting others in peril.

andrewhoya

12-14-2011, 04:24 PM

I'm still trying to figure out how even having hands free phone connection in the car would become illegal. It makes no sense

Distracted driving.

andrewhoya

12-15-2011, 07:31 AM

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20111215/US.Drivers.Cellphones/?cid=hero_media

Hands-free is just as dangerous.

gladdyontherise

12-15-2011, 07:39 AM

I would normally enter into a big rant here but will just say whatever, just because I don't like putting others in peril.

Hey now, i'm just giving facts to this, please do not make threats to me though like you just did.

Distracted driving.

Then why are people allowed to sing with the radio? It's just like talking with a hands free phone.

Why not make it illegal to do ANYTHING in a car, or how about we all just not drive? That sounds like its wanted.

andrewhoya

12-15-2011, 07:48 AM

Then why are people allowed to sing with the radio? It's just like talking with a hands free phone.

Why not make it illegal to do ANYTHING in a car, or how about we all just not drive? That sounds like its wanted.

Not necessarily. For songs, if youre singing along, you pretty much know the song by heart. Its why people can do work while listening to music. For phone conversations, you dont know what is coming, so your brain has to listen closely and pay attention to the person on the other line.

gladdyontherise

12-15-2011, 07:52 AM

Not necessarily. For songs, if youre singing along, you pretty much know the song by heart. Its why people can do work while listening to music. For phone conversations, you dont know what is coming, so your brain has to listen closely and pay attention to the person on the other line.

The point remains the same though. You are focusing on singing the song, and you are focusing on talking to the person on the other line. I really don't think you understand the difference of using a phone in hte car (regardless if it's hands free or not) compared to doing other things in a car.

I'm sorry, i'd just prefer to not lose more rights because some people are horrible drivers and do stupid things.

andrewhoya

12-15-2011, 08:00 AM

The point remains the same though. You are focusing on singing the song, and you are focusing on talking to the person on the other line. I really don't think you understand the difference of using a phone in hte car (regardless if it's hands free or not) compared to doing other things in a car.

I'm sorry, i'd just prefer to not lose more rights because some people are horrible drivers and do stupid things.

Its not that I don't understand, its that I have a different opinion.

duane1969

12-15-2011, 08:10 AM

gladdyontherise

12-15-2011, 08:14 AM

OK, using the logic that is applied here, shouldn't GPS units be illegal to use while driving too?

Anyone who has used a talking GPS while driving knows just how distracting they can be. Having a GPS tell you at the last second that you should make a right and not a left or telling you that it is recalculating after your last turn is extremely distracting.

You are 100% correct if we're going by the logic that is used. I've never driven with a GPS, but have driven with someone using it and they are VERY distracting because they don't warn you until to late sometimes or like you mentioned, they reroute you out of the blue.

mrveggieman

12-15-2011, 08:53 AM

I think it ultimately boils down to how good a driver you are. Me personally I don't talk on my cell phone while I drive and if I have my radio on I keep the volume low. If someone can multi task while driving more power to them but if they cause an accident while distracted they should be punished accordingly.

AUTaxMan

12-15-2011, 10:07 AM

I think the government should ban driving altogether. That way, nobody would be killed in a car accident.

theonedru

12-15-2011, 03:57 PM

Hey now, i'm just giving facts to this, please do not make threats to me though like you just did.

Then why are people allowed to sing with the radio? It's just like talking with a hands free phone.

Why not make it illegal to do ANYTHING in a car, or how about we all just not drive? That sounds like its wanted.

i didn't threaten you when i said " just because I don't like putting others in peril." I was mentioning just because when i drive i don't like putting others at risk unlike most of society.

I think we need harsher laws for drivers, and make them take routine drivers tests to keep driving, it kills me the number of drivers who do not know or respect basic road rules