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mrveggieman
12-20-2011, 09:03 AM
http://news.adventist.org/en/archive/articles/2011/12/08/moscow-conference-focuses-on-upswing-in-persecution-of-christians-worldwide

Your thoughts

duane1969
12-20-2011, 09:06 AM
Pointless conference since it has already been decided that only Muslims are persecuted...and only Christians persecute. (insert facetiousness)

mrveggieman
12-20-2011, 09:13 AM
You know on the cool I feel bad for anyone persecuted for their religion or lack of one. Yes I do focus on discrimination against muslims here in the united states because I live in the states but there our other countries where the numbers are reversed and christians over there suffer some of the same indignities that muslims over here suffer. I really doubt that God/Allah/Jehova or whatever you want to call him would approve of someone harassing them because of their religion or forcing religion on anyone even if it is the "right" religion.

duane1969
12-20-2011, 09:26 AM
You know on the cool I feel bad for anyone persecuted for their religion or lack of one. Yes I do focus on discrimination against muslims here in the united states because I live in the states but there our other countries where the numbers are reversed and christians over there suffer some of the same indignities that muslims over here suffer. I really doubt that God/Allah/Jehova or whatever you want to call him would approve of someone harassing them because of their religion or forcing religion on anyone even if it is the "right" religion.

I agree. I am agnostic and don't assign myself to one specific religion, but I find it interesting that nearly every religion downs or bashes another religion when their own religion speaks of living together in peace and harmony.

Even within religions there is conflict. Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims kill each other on an almost daily basis. Baptists teach that Pentecostals misread the Bible and Pentecostals teach that Baptists misread the Bible. Christians pray to God for forgivness, Catholics say x number of Hail Mary's.

Personally, as long as someone is peaceful towards me and my family, I have no ill will for them. By the same measure, if someone intends to do my family harm, I will treat them the same regardless of their religion.

mrveggieman
12-20-2011, 09:27 AM
I agree. I am agnostic and don't assign myself to one specific religion, but I find it interesting that nearly every religion downs or bashes another religion when their own religion speaks of living together in peace and harmony.

Even within religions there is conflict. Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims kill each other on an almost daily basis. Baptists teach that Pentecostals misread the Bible and Pentecostals teach that Baptists misread the Bible. Christians pray to God for forgivness, Catholics say x number of Hail Mary's.

Personally, as long as someone is peaceful towards me and my family, I have no ill will for them. By the same measure, if someone intends to do my family harm, I will treat them the same regardless of their religion.

CHURCH!! :love0030:

ensbergcollector
12-20-2011, 09:36 AM
You know on the cool I feel bad for anyone persecuted for their religion or lack of one. Yes I do focus on discrimination against muslims here in the united states because I live in the states but there our other countries where the numbers are reversed and christians over there suffer some of the same indignities that muslims over here suffer. I really doubt that God/Allah/Jehova or whatever you want to call him would approve of someone harassing them because of their religion or forcing religion on anyone even if it is the "right" religion.

i agree and I am against any persecution against anyone for religious reasons. However, to say that christians in other countries suffer some of the same indignities that muslims suffer here is, while true, equal to saying water is wet. I know I have stated this a million times but there are 50+ countries that openly persecute and prosecute christians. To say that is the same indignity that muslims face here is a dramatic understatement. to try and make light of christian persecution worldwide by comparing it to what goes on in the US is not a good comparison IMO. But again, you can't manage to have this conversation without reminding everyone that christians in america perescute muslims.

mrveggieman
12-20-2011, 10:10 AM
i agree and I am against any persecution against anyone for religious reasons. However, to say that christians in other countries suffer some of the same indignities that muslims suffer here is, while true, equal to saying water is wet. I know I have stated this a million times but there are 50+ countries that openly persecute and prosecute christians. To say that is the same indignity that muslims face here is a dramatic understatement. to try and make light of christian persecution worldwide by comparing it to what goes on in the US is not a good comparison IMO. But again, you can't manage to have this conversation without reminding everyone that christians in america perescute muslims.


Yes Christians persucute muslims for no good reason. Are you happy now? Would you like me to turn this into another one of our fun christian bashing discussions??

pghin08
12-20-2011, 10:23 AM
I agree. I am agnostic and don't assign myself to one specific religion, but I find it interesting that nearly every religion downs or bashes another religion when their own religion speaks of living together in peace and harmony.

Even within religions there is conflict. Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims kill each other on an almost daily basis. Baptists teach that Pentecostals misread the Bible and Pentecostals teach that Baptists misread the Bible. Christians pray to God for forgivness, Catholics say x number of Hail Mary's.

Personally, as long as someone is peaceful towards me and my family, I have no ill will for them. By the same measure, if someone intends to do my family harm, I will treat them the same regardless of their religion.

Boom.

ensbergcollector
12-20-2011, 10:50 AM
Yes Christians persucute muslims for no good reason. Are you happy now? Would you like me to turn this into another one of our fun christian bashing discussions??

too late my friend. you couldn't have post a thread about christian persecution without making sure everyone knew that christians persecute muslims. personally, i think it is deplorable to compare the persecution that muslims face in this country to the open imprisonment, violence, and murder that christians face around the world. There are plenty of threads about the way muslims are treated in this country and I have openly commented that I am appalled at any persecution of anyone.
Bringing up the way christians persecute muslims in this country in this thread is comparing apples to oranges and there was no need to bring it into this discussion.

duane1969
12-20-2011, 11:21 AM
too late my friend. you couldn't have post a thread about christian persecution without making sure everyone knew that christians persecute muslims. personally, i think it is deplorable to compare the persecution that muslims face in this country to the open imprisonment, violence, and murder that christians face around the world. There are plenty of threads about the way muslims are treated in this country and I have openly commented that I am appalled at any persecution of anyone.
Bringing up the way christians persecute muslims in this country in this thread is comparing apples to oranges and there was no need to bring it into this discussion.

Actually I think I should take the heat for bringing up Christians in this one.

I will punish myself now :fighting0056:

mrveggieman
12-20-2011, 11:28 AM
Actually I think I should take the heat for bringing up Christians in this one.

I will punish myself now :fighting0056:


We should all slap ourselves because no one is allowed to question christanity or be criticial of christanity on here under circumstances. SHM.

ensbergcollector
12-20-2011, 02:21 PM
We should all slap ourselves because no one is allowed to question christanity or be criticial of christanity on here under circumstances. SHM.

Smh at you for posting critical comments about christians on a thread about christians being persecuted.

A quick view of all the threads on this forum show that we have no problem posting critical comments about christianity.

Back on task, it is shameful that members of any religion have to have church in basements and not tell anyone what faith you are for fear of arrest or murder.

mrveggieman
12-20-2011, 03:54 PM
Back on task, it is shameful that members of any religion have to have church in basements and not tell anyone what faith you are for fear of arrest or murder.

I will give you a +1 on that part. :winking0071:

gatorboymike
12-20-2011, 04:45 PM
What's shameful is for Christians who live in nations where they have an iron grip on the politics and culture thereof, who are sitting fat, rich and happy in their ivory towers, to attempt to use the plight of Christians who live on the other side of the world, in tiny, poor, Muslim-dominated countries, whom we all know the rich western Christians don't even consider to be true Christians, and whose countries the rich western Christians are perfectly fine with (and in fact emphatically in favor of) their governments bombing into charred rubble, as a pretext to say that all Christians in the entire world are persecuted and therefore entitled to even more money and power than they already have, which we all know they will not share even the tiniest bit of with those who really need it.

That rings every bit as false as if the kings and princes of Saudi Arabia were to say that they personally are persecuted because some Muslims in the United States have faced discrimination (thank you, veggie man), and because of that, they are entitled to even more oil profits and even more control of the UN.

"We're the most persecuted group in the history of the universe! And by the way, if you don't think my god is great, I want to kill you all. As soon as I'm done wiping the grease from my SUV-sized cheeseburger off my lips with a $100 bill." (Referencing concurrent thread FTW)