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tsjct
12-23-2011, 12:30 PM
I hope John Boehner is happy! I really hope he is DONE and GONE. We need a strong leader and he is DEF. not that person. He probably cried again after making his announcement. I am so tired of the crying and giving in from that so called LEADER.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/dec/23/house-republicans-cave-on-payroll-tax/

pspstatus
12-23-2011, 05:45 PM
This sounds like a good thing to me.

tsjct
12-23-2011, 06:03 PM
This sounds like a good thing to me.

If it was for 1 yr yes but not for 2 months. Its just kicking the can down the road again. And how are we going to pay for it? As a business owner this really sucks for me. Are they going to change it again in 2 months?

AUTaxMan
12-23-2011, 08:25 PM
better to lose this battle and win the war

habsheaven
12-24-2011, 07:14 AM
better to lose this battle and win the war

It's a shame that is EXACTLY how many Republicans think. For them, it isn't about doing what is best for their constituents or country; it's all about defeating Obama in the next election no matter what the cost to the country. It's a damn shame.

OnePimpTiger
12-24-2011, 12:59 PM
The lack of fiscal responsibility in this country enrages me, from politicians down to the citizens. Everyone complains about and wants to reduce the deficit, yet this is a good thing? The best thing that could possibly happen to this country is for people to realize you can't have a government that gives you everything and get to keep your paycheck too...it's one or the other and there is no in between.

tsjct
12-24-2011, 03:01 PM
The lack of fiscal responsibility in this country enrages me, from politicians down to the citizens. Everyone complains about and wants to reduce the deficit, yet this is a good thing? The best thing that could possibly happen to this country is for people to realize you can't have a government that gives you everything and get to keep your paycheck too...it's one or the other and there is no in between.

I could not agree more!! I mean Unemployment benefits for 2 years. What initiative do these people have to go GET A JOB?

AUTaxMan
12-24-2011, 06:58 PM
It's a shame that is EXACTLY how many Republicans think. For them, it isn't about doing what is best for their constituents or country; it's all about defeating Obama in the next election no matter what the cost to the country. It's a damn shame.

Defeating Obama will do infinitely more for our country than extending a $40/month tax cut for a year. The cost to the country of losing that battle is virtually nil. That is a fact. Not sure why it is a shame.

freethrowtommy
12-24-2011, 11:20 PM
Defeating Obama will do infinitely more for our country than extending a $40/month tax cut for a year. The cost to the country of losing that battle is virtually nil. That is a fact. Not sure why it is a shame.

I want you to explain to me how exactly Obama is killing our country by himself? You really don't know how government checks and balances work, do you?

Tell me how defeating Obama will fix our problems?

tsjct
12-25-2011, 01:55 AM
I want you to explain to me how exactly Obama is killing our country by himself? You really don't know how government checks and balances work, do you?

Tell me how defeating Obama will fix our problems?

I will tell you how! Stop OBAMA Care, Stop the Spending, and Stop leading this country towards SOCIALISM. And before you say it i already know that its BUSH's fault. Its been 3 yrs and the left is still blaming bush. Obama had the house/Senate majority for the first 2 years and all he got was Obama care rammed down our throats. All of policies have FAILED and Failed to a point our country is in great danger of collapse if we do not get him out. Socialism has never worked and that is all he wants. Take from the ones who MAKE it and give to the ones who are just TO DANG lazy to earn it.

habsheaven
12-25-2011, 09:29 AM
I will tell you how! Stop OBAMA Care, Stop the Spending, and Stop leading this country towards SOCIALISM. And before you say it i already know that its BUSH's fault. Its been 3 yrs and the left is still blaming bush. Obama had the house/Senate majority for the first 2 years and all he got was Obama care rammed down our throats. All of policies have FAILED and Failed to a point our country is in great danger of collapse if we do not get him out. Socialism has never worked and that is all he wants. Take from the ones who MAKE it and give to the ones who are just TO DANG lazy to earn it.

You really need to stop listening to all the rhetoric on the right and start thinking for yourself.

freethrowtommy
12-25-2011, 09:48 AM
I will tell you how! Stop OBAMA Care, Stop the Spending, and Stop leading this country towards SOCIALISM. And before you say it i already know that its BUSH's fault. Its been 3 yrs and the left is still blaming bush. Obama had the house/Senate majority for the first 2 years and all he got was Obama care rammed down our throats. All of policies have FAILED and Failed to a point our country is in great danger of collapse if we do not get him out. Socialism has never worked and that is all he wants. Take from the ones who MAKE it and give to the ones who are just TO DANG lazy to earn it.

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tsjct
12-25-2011, 12:33 PM
You really need to stop listening to all the rhetoric on the right and start thinking for yourself.

i do think for myself and everything i said is true. Can you not see the spending, the health care, and the free handouts. Maybe you do not want to see it. Those are facts i pointed out.

tsjct
12-25-2011, 12:35 PM
You really need to stop listening to all the rhetoric on the right and start thinking for yourself.

Those are MY thoughts and they are FACTS. What did i say in my post you can argue against? Healthcare? Taxes? Spending? I didn't think so!!!

freethrowtommy
12-26-2011, 10:58 AM
Those are MY thoughts and they are FACTS. What did i say in my post you can argue against? Healthcare? Taxes? Spending? I didn't think so!!!

You didn't give any facts. You spouted talking points without anything to back them up. Tell us how Obama is guiding us to socialism? How is ending tax cuts bad? That isn't the same as "tax increases" as the Republicans would have you believe.

And spending has to be approved by Congress? You know that stimulus plan? Yeah, Congress had to approve that. Tell me what spending he has done that wasn't approved by Congress?

AUTaxMan
12-26-2011, 11:25 AM
You didn't give any facts. You spouted talking points without anything to back them up. Tell us how Obama is guiding us to socialism? How is ending tax cuts bad? That isn't the same as "tax increases" as the Republicans would have you believe.

And spending has to be approved by Congress? You know that stimulus plan? Yeah, Congress had to approve that. Tell me what spending he has done that wasn't approved by Congress?

When tax cuts have been in place for so long that people have planned their businesses around them, eliminating the cuts is in fact a tax increase to the businessman.

The two stimulus bills were passed with dem majorities in the house and the senate.

Every time the reps try to stand firm and say that they aren't going to increase spending, the president demagogues, telling the public that the reps want to ruin the country, cut seniors off from their social security checks, prevent govt workers and the military from getting paid, etc. All he does is punt the football for a couple of months and let them address the issue again. If the reps resist, he accuses them of being obstructionists. This is all very transparent. If you do not see it, you are being willfully blind.

tsjct
12-26-2011, 01:57 PM
You didn't give any facts. You spouted talking points without anything to back them up. Tell us how Obama is guiding us to socialism? How is ending tax cuts bad? That isn't the same as "tax increases" as the Republicans would have you believe.

And spending has to be approved by Congress? You know that stimulus plan? Yeah, Congress had to approve that. Tell me what spending he has done that wasn't approved by Congress?

Are you serious or just trying to argue? Obama Spent more money in his first 2 years than any other President in HISTORY. THAT is a FACT!! Taking from the one's who make the money and provide jobs and give to those who do nothing is a form of Socialism. FACT! Obama Care passed so we could find out later what was in it is a FACT. You need to do a little more investigating on Obama and you will learn a lot.

Star_Cards
12-27-2011, 04:22 PM
the main thing that I take away from this is the word "cave". It's sad that either side think that their way has to be the way or they lose. It's about being a team and compromising to build something better. Until it's not R vs D there will be no head way made in things that need to be addressed. Usually great things tend to happen when teams play as teams and aren't just out for their own agendas.

mrveggieman
12-28-2011, 07:55 AM
the main thing that I take away from this is the would "cave". It's sad that either side think that their way has to be the way or they lose. It's about being a team and compromising to build something better. Until it's R vs D there will be no head way made in things that need to be addressed. Usually great things tend to happen when teams play as teams and aren't just out for their own agendas.


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