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mrveggieman
01-12-2012, 03:14 PM
Looking for another reason not to vote for romney.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/11676/MA/US/

gladdyontherise
01-13-2012, 08:03 AM
That's 100% digusting to do that to a dog, and I do not believe him at all when he says "the dog liked it", however I'd be a hypocrite if I ruled out voting for him as president because of this. I say that because I'm a Michael Vick fan. I love dogs and have 2, but if I was able to 'forgive' Michael Vick once it seems like he's a changed person, than I have to be fair and give everyone that same chance.

duane1969
01-13-2012, 08:49 AM
So they are going to go all the way back to 1983 and try to investigate him for animal abuse...seriously?

And no, something that happened 30 years ago does not affect my vote. And yes, I believe the dog may have liked it. I lived on a farm as a teen and drove the farm truck and my Australian Shepherd would jump up and sit on the hood of the truck as I drove around.

Star_Cards
01-13-2012, 09:22 AM
seems very odd for someone to do that. However I really don't think it's all that relevant since it's from 1983. I'd go more on his political track record than this story from so long ago. However, I'm sure a lot of people will use this as their deciding factor.

pghin08
01-13-2012, 10:31 AM
That's 100% digusting to do that to a dog, and I do not believe him at all when he says "the dog liked it", however I'd be a hypocrite if I ruled out voting for him as president because of this. I say that because I'm a Michael Vick fan. I love dogs and have 2, but if I was able to 'forgive' Michael Vick once it seems like he's a changed person, than I have to be fair and give everyone that same chance.

My sentiments exactly.

ensbergcollector
01-13-2012, 10:33 AM
give me a break. 1, as pointed out, it is 30 years ago. 2, anyone who has spent any time on a farm or working land knows it is not uncommon for dogs to do this voluntarily. I love how the article attempts to explain what the dog was thinking and feeling. yeah, that isn't unbiased.

pghin08
01-13-2012, 11:36 AM
give me a break. 1, as pointed out, it is 30 years ago. 2, anyone who has spent any time on a farm or working land knows it is not uncommon for dogs to do this voluntarily. I love how the article attempts to explain what the dog was thinking and feeling. yeah, that isn't unbiased.

I have experience with this, and I disagree entirely. However, this isn't like Romney electrocuted the dog or anything, so it's to me, borderline pet abuse. As a dog lover, I would never ever ever do this to my dog. If a dog is on the trip with me, he's in the car, period.

I doubt this will really gain any momentum though, it's kind of floppy, and quite frankly, if this is the worst thing anyone can find on the internet about Mitt Romney, then that's not too bad.

angel0430
01-13-2012, 03:27 PM
I personally do not think that this is animal cruelty because the dog was not harmed and it liked it, apparently. I am pretty that there is no way he can get accused after 30 yrs.

ensbergcollector
01-13-2012, 03:38 PM
I have experience with this, and I disagree entirely. However, this isn't like Romney electrocuted the dog or anything, so it's to me, borderline pet abuse. As a dog lover, I would never ever ever do this to my dog. If a dog is on the trip with me, he's in the car, period.

I doubt this will really gain any momentum though, it's kind of floppy, and quite frankly, if this is the worst thing anyone can find on the internet about Mitt Romney, then that's not too bad.

ok, i see you disagreeing with him doing it but how can you disagree with my statement that this is common. Just from the 8-10 people who post on these boards you have 2 who have experienced it first hand. Not sure how you can deny that it is fairly common.

pghin08
01-13-2012, 03:44 PM
ok, i see you disagreeing with him doing it but how can you disagree with my statement that this is common. Just from the 8-10 people who post on these boards you have 2 who have experienced it first hand. Not sure how you can deny that it is fairly common.

Because I spend a bare minimum of an hour every day driving, and I can count the amount of times I've seen a kennel on top of a car on one hand. Maybe it's just because of where I'm from (Western PA), but my thought is that if you're willing to put your dog on the roof of your car for twelve hours, you're probably not the type of owner who takes their dog with them on vacation anyways.

If it isn't illegal, it should be. If you don't secure that kennel properly, not only could you kill that dog, but you could injure somebody else driving behind you.


Edit: Before I get jumped on by someone who says "Oh well I keep my skis on my car roof lol.", I think there should be size restrictions (if there aren't already) on what you can secure to your car roof.

gladdyontherise
01-13-2012, 03:47 PM
I personally do not think that this is animal cruelty because the dog was not harmed and it liked it, apparently. I am pretty that there is no way he can get accused after 30 yrs.

How do you know the dog liked it?

I've never seen a dog enjoy being tied to the top of a car.

Besides, despite the date of the event, if this was a democrat are you telling me people wouldn't bring it up? Works both ways everyone.

Star_Cards
01-13-2012, 04:18 PM
as far as the discussion of dogs on farms beening seen enjoying a ride on top of a car... are these dogs taking 12 hour drives at what I'd assume are highway speeds (50+ mph)?

There's a difference between a dog in a carrier, strapped to the top of a vehicle going 50+ MPH and that of a dog hoping on top of a car or in the back of a pickup out in the country for a short drive back to the farm house or something like that.

I'f I'm wrong for assuming that these farm dogs are only going short distances at slower speeds than one would drive if going on a 12 hour drive.

tutall
01-13-2012, 07:57 PM
Is there a difference between a dog in the back of the truck and on top of the vehicle? My dog rides in the back on my truck all the time... We go down highways, gravel roads, all over the place... I dont think I have had her back there for 12 hours but we have gone 3+ hours with no stopping... She would much rather be back there than in the back seat getting car sick and slobbered on by a 1 year old

gladdyontherise
01-13-2012, 10:15 PM
Is there a difference between a dog in the back of the truck and on top of the vehicle? My dog rides in the back on my truck all the time... We go down highways, gravel roads, all over the place... I dont think I have had her back there for 12 hours but we have gone 3+ hours with no stopping... She would much rather be back there than in the back seat getting car sick and slobbered on by a 1 year old

Yes. there is a huge difference. To tie down a dog on top of a car is just cruel. I find it hard to believe dogs like to be tied down to begin with. To tie them down on top of a car though is cruel.

tutall
01-13-2012, 10:43 PM
it was in a kennel... It isnt like they strapped him down on the top of the car.... Dogs stick their heads out the window all the time and mine reaches her head around the cab s the wind blows in her face... She seems to like it or I would think she would stop

gladdyontherise
01-14-2012, 08:49 AM
it was in a kennel... It isnt like they strapped him down on the top of the car.... Dogs stick their heads out the window all the time and mine reaches her head around the cab s the wind blows in her face... She seems to like it or I would think she would stop

To tie a dog down to a car is cruel, I'll say it again. Doesn't matter if its in a box or a kennel, its still cruel.

I'm sure this is apples to oranges sort of, but would you put a child on top of a car for 12 hours because they "liked it"?

tutall
01-14-2012, 10:10 AM
To tie a dog down to a car is cruel, I'll say it again. Doesn't matter if its in a box or a kennel, its still cruel.

I'm sure this is apples to oranges sort of, but would you put a child on top of a car for 12 hours because they "liked it"?

well I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree... I see nothing wrong with it at all unless extreme conditions or something of that nature. As far as your kids comparison... I rode in the back of the truck all the time when I was little... It really wasnt that big of a deal but I guess it is probably more where I grew up instead of what was best for us... When I was into trapping I kept my two dogs in their kennels on the back of a flat bed truck and drove up to an hour each way sometimes in pretty cold weather to go trap... Never had a second thought about it and they always went into their kennels with no problems and didnt seem to mind.

gladdyontherise
01-14-2012, 11:03 AM
well I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree... I see nothing wrong with it at all unless extreme conditions or something of that nature. As far as your kids comparison... I rode in the back of the truck all the time when I was little... It really wasnt that big of a deal but I guess it is probably more where I grew up instead of what was best for us... When I was into trapping I kept my two dogs in their kennels on the back of a flat bed truck and drove up to an hour each way sometimes in pretty cold weather to go trap... Never had a second thought about it and they always went into their kennels with no problems and didnt seem to mind.

You're right. We will have to agree to disagree.

However, I do find a big difference in putting something/someone in the back of a truck compared to on the top of a truck/car. I remember loving to ride in the back of a truck when I was younger, but it'd be in going 25 MPH at the fastest speed.

duane1969
01-15-2012, 12:37 PM
Yes. there is a huge difference. To tie down a dog on top of a car is just cruel. I find it hard to believe dogs like to be tied down to begin with. To tie them down on top of a car though is cruel.

It was in a kennel, not tied down on the roof of the car.

And I live in bear/coon hunting country and if anybody has seen how those dogs travel then you know this is no worse. The dogs are either in a cage in the back of the truck or strapped/tied on top of the box. Being tied on top of the box is no worse than being put in a kennel on the roof of a car. And yes, the hunters often travel on highway roads doing 45-60 MPH with the dogs tied on top of the box.