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pwaldo
01-23-2012, 04:24 PM
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/01/17/nypd-testing-gun-scanning-technology/


The NYPD is stepping up their war against illegal guns, with a new tool that could detect weapons on someone as they walk down the street.

But is it violating your right to privacy?

Police, along with the U.S. Department of Defense, are researching new technology in a scanner placed on police vehicles that can detect concealed weapons.

“You could use it at a specific event. You could use it at a shooting-prone location,” NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told CBS 2′s Hazel Sanchez on Tuesday.

It’s called Terahertz Imaging Detection. It measures the energy radiating from a body up to 16 feet away, and can detect anything blocking it, like a gun.

And the idea is causing quite the uproar on both sides of the privacy issue.

“I think it’s good. People will be safer and it will be a safer environment,” Jessica Ramos said.

“If it’s going to make us safer as citizens I’m okay with that,” said Lori Sampson of Lake Ronkonkoma.

“I think it’s all about invading people’s lives more and more and more,” Antonio Gabriel said.

“It’s definitely a privacy issue, but it’s for our safety. So it’s just one of those things, a double-edged sword,” added Clarence Moore of Union, N.J.

Police Commissioner Kelly said the scanner would only be used in reasonably suspicious circumstances and could cut down on the number of stop-and-frisks on the street.

But the New York Civil Liberties Union is raising a red flag.

“It’s worrisome. It implicates privacy, the right to walk down the street without being subjected to a virtual pat-down by the Police Department when you’re doing nothing wrong,” the NYCLU’s Donna Lieberman said.

“We have involved our attorneys as we go forward with this issue. We think it’s a very positive development,” Kelly said.

People on the street have differing opinions on the price they’d be willing to pay for safety.

“There are a lot of cameras already here, so as people walk they’re being filmed. And most of the time they don’t know it,” said Jennifer Bailly of Jersey City.

“If they search you, you’re not giving consent, so they can do what they want, meaning they can use that as an excuse to search you for other means. I don’t think that’s constitutional at all,” Devan Thomas said.

“I don’t agree with it. I have the belief that if you forgo some of your freedom then it’s not freedom at all,” added Erwin Morales of Hoboken.

“I think it’s good. I think if someone has something to hide and they’re going to worry about it, who cares?” Robert McDougall added.

andrewhoya
01-23-2012, 04:25 PM
I like it.

mrveggieman
01-23-2012, 04:29 PM
I am totally disagree with this. Our founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves right now. If we start letting the state take away some of our freedoms in the name of "safety" where will they stop? SMH.

andrewhoya
01-23-2012, 04:31 PM
I am totally disagree with this. Our founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves right now. If we start letting the state take away some of our freedoms in the name of "safety" where will they stop? SMH.

I hate when people say that. Do you expect the laws and basic beliefs to stay the same for 350 years? It has never happened in history, and I doubt it will.

mrveggieman
01-23-2012, 04:35 PM
I hate when people say that. Do you expect the laws and basic beliefs to stay the same for 350 years? It has never happened in history, and I doubt it will.


So let me ask you this. How many of our civil liberties would you be confortable in giving up in the name of "safety"?

andrewhoya
01-23-2012, 04:40 PM
So let me ask you this. How many of our civil liberties would you be confortable in giving up in the name of "safety"?

Many

mrveggieman
01-23-2012, 04:41 PM
Many


Wow.

andrewhoya
01-23-2012, 04:43 PM
Wow.

We all have different opinions, that is mine.

BigBerserker
01-23-2012, 04:50 PM
Many

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

I disagree with the technology and do believe it breaches my right to privacy.

duane1969
01-23-2012, 05:13 PM
Do you smell that?? It is the smell of the Constitution and Bill of Rights being used to ignite the fires of a police state and oligarchy.

A few months ago someone said that today they perform illegal searches to get on planes, tomorrow it will be to ride the bus and soon they will just stop you and search you on the street and it will all be in the name of your safety. Who was it that said that??...oh, that's right, it was ME!!!

I love bing right but I hate being right about this.

andrewhoya
01-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Do you smell that?? It is the smell of the Constitution and Bill of Rights being used to ignite the fires of a police state and oligarchy.

A few months ago someone said that today they perform illegal searches to get on planes, tomorrow it will be to ride the bus and soon they will just stop you and search you on the street and it will all be in the name of your safety. Who was it that said that??...oh, that's right, it was ME!!!

I love bing right but I hate being right about this.

Everyone complains about being too strict, and then when something happens everyone is up in arms about how they didn't do enough. Prime example is the 67 year old lady who was arrested at an airport a few days ago for having a gun in her carry on bag. She made it through security before they realized it was a gun, and everyone was slamming the TSA for letting her through the first time.

duane1969
01-23-2012, 08:01 PM
Everyone complains about being too strict, and then when something happens everyone is up in arms about how they didn't do enough. Prime example is the 67 year old lady who was arrested at an airport a few days ago for having a gun in her carry on bag. She made it through security before they realized it was a gun, and everyone was slamming the TSA for letting her through the first time.

Today they scan you as you walk down the street, tomorrow they scan you while you sit in your house. Where does it end?

andrewhoya
01-23-2012, 08:05 PM
Today they scan you as you walk down the street, tomorrow they scan you while you sit in your house. Where does it end?

They scan in bad parts of cities. Not just people going for a stroll down the street in a nice little neighborhood.

Greengoblin782
01-23-2012, 08:26 PM
This seems like the movie Minority Report. They will get you for a crime before you even commit it anymore.

theonedru
01-23-2012, 09:57 PM
Do you smell that?? It is the smell of the Constitution and Bill of Rights being used to ignite the fires of a police state and oligarchy.

A few months ago someone said that today they perform illegal searches to get on planes, tomorrow it will be to ride the bus and soon they will just stop you and search you on the street and it will all be in the name of your safety. Who was it that said that??...oh, that's right, it was ME!!!

I love bing right but I hate being right about this.

As much as people are against this they will choose to do nothing about it as usual.

greg271126817
01-23-2012, 10:16 PM
not sure if NY is a right to conceal carry state, but if it is then are the police going to stop everyone who has a concealed weapon? Some of the things the government does make absolutely no sense....

duane1969
01-23-2012, 11:43 PM
They scan in bad parts of cities. Not just people going for a stroll down the street in a nice little neighborhood.

Boy, if the NAACP is upset over an app to avoid high crime areas imagine how fired up they will get if the cops start racial profile scanning in high crime areas.

mrveggieman
01-24-2012, 07:32 AM
They scan in bad parts of cities. Not just people going for a stroll down the street in a nice little neighborhood.

Wow so you are ok with profiling people in the "bad" parts just for living/working in a certian part of town?

andrewhoya
01-24-2012, 07:41 AM
Wow so you are ok with profiling people in the "bad" parts just for living/working in a certian part of town?

Yes.... I know I'd feel ten times more comfortable walking down the street after going to a baseball game in DC.

mrveggieman
01-24-2012, 07:48 AM
Yes.... I know I'd feel ten times more comfortable walking down the street after going to a baseball game in DC.


Wow that's exactly why I moved out of dc to move down south. The rights for the law abiding citizen to defend himself is frowned upon while criminials have a field day. SMH.

duane1969
01-24-2012, 08:17 AM
For the most part, they are not. They do issue permits to carry concealed weapons but it is discretionary and you must be able to justify why you need a permit. So if you are a private investigator...