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tsjct
01-31-2012, 10:08 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/207439-federal-workers-get-16-percent-more-than-private-sector-cbo-finds

pghin08
01-31-2012, 10:11 AM
I know, as a private sector guy, it sucks! Particularly when you're starting out (like me), the public sector just crushes in benefits and salary. Though I must say, this HAS to change at some point. Public sector is just way too cushy.

Star_Cards
01-31-2012, 10:16 AM
federal and state workers have always been seen as having a bit better wage and benefits. I guess that comes with an organization that pays salaries from tax dollars. I've always been dumfounded with how many days off and sick time federal employees get. I think they rack up a day of sick time every pay check or maybe every month and they can roll them over year after year. You always hear a lot of people just roll it over and when they retire they take their banked days and leave months early. Seems like those types of benefits could be more in line with the traditional workforce.

I do know some federal employees that have had raise freezes the past 2-3 years. I wonder if a large amount of that 16% happens to be the higher end federal workers.

tsjct
01-31-2012, 10:21 AM
federal and state workers have always been seen as having a bit better wage and benefits. I guess that comes with an organization that pays salaries from tax dollars. I've always been dumfounded with how many days off and sick time federal employees get. I think they rack up a day of sick time every pay check or maybe every month and they can roll them over year after year. You always hear a lot of people just roll it over and when they retire they take their banked days and leave months early. Seems like those types of benefits could be more in line with the traditional workforce.

I do know some federal employees that have had raise freezes the past 2-3 years. I wonder if a large amount of that 16% happens to be the higher end federal workers.

Obama just announced he is Giving a RAISE this year to ALL federal employees. It is out of control. We are struggling as a Country and he is giving raises to federal workers?? I do not understand what he is thinking but i never have.

Star_Cards
01-31-2012, 10:23 AM
I know, as a private sector guy, it sucks! Particularly when you're starting out (like me), the public sector just crushes in benefits and salary. Though I must say, this HAS to change at some point. Public sector is just way too cushy.

I work for a private sector company and we get really good benefits. Not as many days as government employees but quite a bit more than my friends in private sector jobs. I guess the main thing is, a company can do that if they can afford it. If things start to get tight they can draw back to save money. We had raise freezes three years ago as they forecasted a tough year. Seems like the government should be able to do that as well if they need to add some cost savings. I do know that they have in some areas. However, I feel they could make those cuts elsewhere as it seems like there's always a lot of wasted spending that doesn't really have to do with employee wages.

Star_Cards
01-31-2012, 10:27 AM
Obama just announced he is Giving a RAISE this year to ALL federal employees. It is out of control. We are struggling as a Country and he is giving raises to federal workers?? I do not understand what he is thinking but i never have.

well, my friend that works at the FAA has been raise frozen for a few years. I think she said her raise for this year is like 1.5% or something and that was just a "cost of living adjustment". Plus her insurance premiums are going up so she'll make less each pay check. Not saying it's not tough for others as well. Just pointing out there are other factors to consider other than just saying "everyone gets raises".

AUTaxMan
01-31-2012, 11:27 AM
I know, as a private sector guy, it sucks! Particularly when you're starting out (like me), the public sector just crushes in benefits and salary. Though I must say, this HAS to change at some point. Public sector is just way too cushy.

Even worse is the fact that most government workers could't get an equivalent job in the private sector.

Star_Cards
01-31-2012, 11:30 AM
Even worse is the fact that most government workers could't get an equivalent job in the private sector.

I don't know if I'd say most. I get that there are some pretty terrible workers that we see around at different federal/government jobs, but there are a good number of ones that are great and smart employees. At my USPS, for example, there are a decent number of great employees and there are a decent number of terrible workers with bad attitudes and are lazy.

shortking98
01-31-2012, 12:05 PM
In my field it seems that private sector pays more but where the public sector makes it up is in cushy benefits packages, holidays etc.

mrveggieman
01-31-2012, 12:20 PM
Does anyone else find it ironic that some of the same people that are generally against civillian gov't employees getting raises and benefits have no problem with our same tax dollars going on military spending and military employee pay?

Star_Cards
01-31-2012, 12:33 PM
Does anyone else find it ironic that some of the same people that are generally against civillian gov't employees getting raises and benefits have no problem with our same tax dollars going on military spending and military employee pay?

I'd rather the expenses go towards government employee wages than to funding wars or other completely wasteful government pet projects.

AUTaxMan
01-31-2012, 12:43 PM
Does anyone else find it ironic that some of the same people that are generally against civillian gov't employees getting raises and benefits have no problem with our same tax dollars going on military spending and military employee pay?

Right or wrong, that is irrelevant to the topic. Stay on point please.

mrveggieman
01-31-2012, 12:48 PM
Right or wrong, that is irrelevant to the topic. Stay on point please.


Isn't our topic about the money spent on federal worker's salaries? The military and their soldiers are a part of the fed gov't as well.

AUTaxMan
01-31-2012, 03:11 PM
Isn't our topic about the money spent on federal worker's salaries? The military and their soldiers are a part of the fed gov't as well.

Military salaries, yes. War spending, no.

mrveggieman
01-31-2012, 03:12 PM
Military salaries, yes. War spending, no.


Forget the war spending then. Would you have a problem with military workers getting paid 16% or more to do the same job that a civillian would? Why or why not.

AUTaxMan
01-31-2012, 04:05 PM
Forget the war spending then. Would you have a problem with military workers getting paid 16% or more to do the same job that a civillian would? Why or why not.

Yes, if they are jobs civilians could do. I doubt this is a big problem with military workers, however, because I do not believe they have the ability to unionize.

angel0430
02-02-2012, 08:54 AM
We do not have the ability to unionize. Some of jobs can be done by civilians, but are those civilians willing to go to war...NO....we do not make a lot of money through basic pay. The benefits that we have are to "pay" for the sacrifices that we make our family go through when we are gone to support and follow the orders of the President, regardless of political affiliation.

You guys complain about private pay vs fed pay....come and work for the federal government then.

pghin08
02-02-2012, 09:06 AM
We do not have the ability to unionize. Some of jobs can be done by civilians, but are those civilians willing to go to war...NO....we do not make a lot of money through basic pay. The benefits that we have are to "pay" for the sacrifices that we make our family go through when we are gone to support and follow the orders of the President, regardless of political affiliation.

You guys complain about private pay vs fed pay....come and work for the federal government then.

I don't think the original intent of this thread was to say that our troops themselves make too much money and have "cushy" jobs. We're really just talking about the pencil pushers, not the ones who make real sacrifices and put their lives on the line. If President Obama were to come out today and say, "I want to double the salary of every member of the US Armed Forces, and guess what? It's coming from you, John Q. Taxpayer", I'd agree to it in a heartbeat.

AUTaxMan
02-02-2012, 12:00 PM
I don't think the original intent of this thread was to say that our troops themselves make too much money and have "cushy" jobs. We're really just talking about the pencil pushers, not the ones who make real sacrifices and put their lives on the line. If President Obama were to come out today and say, "I want to double the salary of every member of the US Armed Forces, and guess what? It's coming from you, John Q. Taxpayer", I'd agree to it in a heartbeat.

Me too!

mrveggieman
02-02-2012, 12:08 PM
I don't think the original intent of this thread was to say that our troops themselves make too much money and have "cushy" jobs. We're really just talking about the pencil pushers, not the ones who make real sacrifices and put their lives on the line. If President Obama were to come out today and say, "I want to double the salary of every member of the US Armed Forces, and guess what? It's coming from you, John Q. Taxpayer", I'd agree to it in a heartbeat.


I can respect your thoughts on an pay increase for soldiers but where does it stop. What about police officers? Aren't they risking their lives. How about firefighters, doctors or paramedics? What about teachers? Without teachers there would be no soldiers, police, doctors or paramedics? What about clergymen? Some would say that their job is more important than anything. Why aren't any of those professions worthy of having their salary doubled?

pghin08
02-02-2012, 12:22 PM
I can respect your thoughts on an pay increase for soldiers but where does it stop. What about police officers? Aren't they risking their lives. How about firefighters, doctors or paramedics? What about teachers? Without teachers there would be no soldiers, police, doctors or paramedics? What about clergymen? Some would say that their job is more important than anything. Why aren't any of those professions worthy of having their salary doubled?

First off, teachers are among the most under-appreciated people on the planet. Yes, there are lazy, tenured teachers in America. But I have lots of teacher friends and family, and they all care very deeply about their jobs. If you look at some European countries and particularly Northern European countries, being a teacher is just as prestigious as a doctor or lawyer.

Secondly, it's easy to figure out where it stops. Are you a soldier in the Marines, Army, Navy or Air Force? Yes? Your pay doubles. No? Your pay doesn't double. I totally respect that firefighters and police officers put themselves in dangerous situations. But if you're an active duty soldier, you can be away from your families for months or years at a time. That's true sacrifice. Cops can go home, play with their kids and have dinner with their spouse. I'm not a military guy, and I just can't imagine what it would be like to be in some remote desert in what Herman Cain would call "Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan" when all you want in the world is give your kids a hug.

mrveggieman
02-02-2012, 12:29 PM
First off, teachers are among the most under-appreciated people on the planet. Yes, there are lazy, tenured teachers in America. But I have lots of teacher friends and family, and they all care very deeply about their jobs. If you look at some European countries and particularly Northern European countries, being a teacher is just as prestigious as a doctor or lawyer.

Secondly, it's easy to figure out where it stops. Are you a soldier in the Marines, Army, Navy or Air Force? Yes? Your pay doubles. No? Your pay doesn't double. I totally respect that firefighters and police officers put themselves in dangerous situations. But if you're an active duty soldier, you can be away from your families for months or years at a time. That's true sacrifice. Cops can go home, play with their kids and have dinner with their spouse. I'm not a military guy, and I just can't imagine what it would be like to be in some remote desert in what Herman Cain would call "Uz-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan" when all you want in the world is give your kids a hug.


So should the pay increase only be for active duty soldiers overseas in a warzone?

angel0430
02-02-2012, 12:36 PM
Armed Forces members that deploy to any warzone get special pay and benefits. Whatever they make while being over there is tax-free, they get family separation allowance, they get hardship duty pay, etc.

pghin08
02-02-2012, 12:44 PM
So should the pay increase only be for active duty soldiers overseas in a warzone?

Any active duty soldier stationed overseas or those who are currently active with the possibility of being deployed.

By the way, I'm not like, demanding that this should happen. I was just using this to identify the difference between a public sector worker who, like private sector me, sits at a desk all day from a public sector worker who is currently trying to rebuild Afghanistan with their bare hands.