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mrveggieman
02-03-2012, 09:22 AM
Your thoughts:

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/new-birth-ceremony-with-1328502.html

ensbergcollector
02-03-2012, 10:14 AM
not sure about the holocaust references but the entire ceremony seems strange to me. he declares him a king and then says later that isn't what he meant. i would love to understand what their intent was, but i just don't.

duane1969
02-03-2012, 05:11 PM
My thoughts...I wasted 3 minutes of my life reading that. I see nothing significant in what those people did. Looks to me to be nothing more than an issue of self-idolization and a bunch of people who have no idea of the significance of what they are doing.

INTIMADATOR2007
02-04-2012, 02:30 PM
The man should be in prison for the molestation of boys . To call him a king is disgusting . This church is a place that should be under constant survelance by the FBI at all times .

mrveggieman
02-06-2012, 08:29 AM
The man should be in prison for the molestation of boys . To call him a king is disgusting . This church is a place that should be under constant survelance by the FBI at all times .


As far as what I know all of his accusers were the age of consent for the state of Georgia so he cannot be prosecuted for any child molestation crimes. It may be more to this story but that is as much as I know about it.

mrveggieman
02-06-2012, 08:55 AM
Eddie Long has now apoligized to a Jewish group for his controversial ceremony.

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/bishop-eddie-long-apologizes-1333271.html

duane1969
02-06-2012, 11:05 AM
As far as what I know all of his accusers were the age of consent for the state of Georgia so he cannot be prosecuted for any child molestation crimes. It may be more to this story but that is as much as I know about it.

One was 17, one was 18. Age of consent aside, age 17 is a legal minor. The 18 year old should have filed a sexual assault complaint, not molestation.

My guesss is neither case went anywhere because the statute of limitations had expired. They waited 4 years to say anything.

mrveggieman
02-06-2012, 11:26 AM
One was 17, one was 18. Age of consent aside, age 17 is a legal minor. The 18 year old should have filed a sexual assault complaint, not molestation.

My guesss is neither case went anywhere because the statute of limitations had expired. They waited 4 years to say anything.

Not endorsing what he did but check this website and look at the age for Georgia.

http://ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Long was never accused of a crime but he was being sued because his accusers claimed that he used his position within his church to recieve sexual favors. If it went down the way the accusers did, Long would lose a lot of credibility in my book but he is still not a criminal. A pervert slimeball yes but in the eyes of the law a criminal not a criminal. That being said I would not leave him unsupervised around any young kids.

duane1969
02-06-2012, 11:35 AM
Not endorsing what he did but check this website and look at the age for Georgia.

http://ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Long was never accused of a crime but he was being sued because his accusers claimed that he used his position within his church to recieve sexual favors. If it went down the way the accusers did, Long would lose a lot of credibility in my book but he is still not a criminal. A pervert slimeball yes but in the eyes of the law a criminal not a criminal. That being said I would not leave him unsupervised around any young kids.

I realize that the law may say a 17-year old is of the age of legal consent, that doesn't mean that I accept it as morally acceptable for an adult man to copulate with a 17-year old.

For that matter, age aside, how does the church uphold him as a religious leader when his sexual practices (homosexuality) are in conflict with their teachings?

mrveggieman
02-06-2012, 11:51 AM
I totally agree with you on that point. The church teaches that no male of any age should ever have sexual relations with another male under any circumstances. <br />
Leviticus 18:22 <br />
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King James...

duane1969
02-06-2012, 12:21 PM
To me, settling is a form of admission of guilt. Speaking for me personally, if a student of mine accused me of sexual misconduct, I would fight it no matter what. In some areas of professional life, personal integrity is everything. I would rather have a 5 year drawn-out public court battle than quickly sweep it under the rug with a settlement and hope everybody quickly forgets about it.

I don't go to church anymore, but I can't imagine a church in my area being very supportive of a pastor who was accused of sexual misconduct with other males.

mrveggieman
02-06-2012, 12:25 PM
To me, settling is a form of admission of guilt. Speaking for me personally, if a student of mine accused me of sexual misconduct, I would fight it no matter what. In some areas of professional life, personal integrity is everything. I would rather have a 5 year drawn-out public court battle than quickly sweep it under the rug with a settlement and hope everybody quickly forgets about it.

I don't go to church anymore, but I can't imagine a church in my area being very supportive of a pastor who was accused of sexual misconduct with other males.


I totally agree with you duane. One of the things about being a preacher is having credibility. One of the main things that preachers talk about is not being homosexual. Who could you believe anything that a preacher who settled a homosexual cause out of court says?