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pghin08
02-14-2012, 11:43 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/rick-santorum-edges-mitt-romney-race-gop-presidential-nomination-poll-article-1.1022265?localLinksEnabled=false

The last horse finally rides the "Anybody but Romney" momentum. He'll be in front for a week or two, then he'll say something that brings everything crashing back to earth. Republicans REALLY hate Mitt Romney.

The article also points out (unnecessarily), that this bodes well for President Obama.

duane1969
02-14-2012, 11:53 AM
If Santorum can keep his foot out of his mouth then I think he can beat Romney.

Republicans don't like Romney because he is too much like a Democrat. Newt reminds us too much of a bitter old woman.

pghin08
02-14-2012, 11:57 AM
If Santorum can keep his foot out of his mouth then I think he can beat Romney.

Republicans don't like Romney because he is too much like a Democrat. Newt reminds us too much of a bitter old woman.

I dunno. I still just don't see it happening.

Wickabee
02-14-2012, 12:03 PM
If Santorum can keep his foot out of his mouth then I think he can beat Romney.

Republicans don't like Romney because he is too much like a Democrat. Newt reminds us too much of a bitter old woman.

From where I'm watching, Romney looks like the Republicans best bet in the Election. Gingrich will never, ever be President. I wouldn't say he reminds me of a bitter old woman, he leaves too many bitter women in his wake for that. From where I'm sitting Gingrich is a bit of a joke. One of those old guys you allow to make racist and sexist remarks because, "that's just how he is".

To me, it looks like the Reps are in the same boat the Dems were in back in '04. Staring down another 4 years of a guy they hate with absolutely no one to really put up a fight. Whoever comes out of the Primaries as the nominee will just be John Kerry 8 years later on the other side of the line.

pghin08
02-14-2012, 12:08 PM
From where I'm watching, Romney looks like the Republicans best bet in the Election. Gingrich will never, ever be President. I wouldn't say he reminds me of a bitter old woman, he leaves too many bitter women in his wake for that. From where I'm sitting Gingrich is a bit of a joke. One of those old guys you allow to make racist and sexist remarks because, "that's just how he is".

To me, it looks like the Reps are in the same boat the Dems were in back in '04. Staring down another 4 years of a guy they hate with absolutely no one to really put up a fight. Whoever comes out of the Primaries as the nominee will just be John Kerry 8 years later on the other side of the line.

Absolute truth. That's the way I've felt for the past year.

Star_Cards
02-14-2012, 12:15 PM
From where I'm watching, Romney looks like the Republicans best bet in the Election. Gingrich will never, ever be President. I wouldn't say he reminds me of a bitter old woman, he leaves too many bitter women in his wake for that. From where I'm sitting Gingrich is a bit of a joke. One of those old guys you allow to make racist and sexist remarks because, "that's just how he is".

To me, it looks like the Reps are in the same boat the Dems were in back in '04. Staring down another 4 years of a guy they hate with absolutely no one to really put up a fight. Whoever comes out of the Primaries as the nominee will just be John Kerry 8 years later on the other side of the line.


I feel the same way.

AUTaxMan
02-14-2012, 12:53 PM
Republicans don't "hate" Romney, but they would prefer a more conservative alternative. They will settle on Romney and unite if he gets the nod.

afewgems
02-14-2012, 12:54 PM
ron paul 2012, the only hope

mrveggieman
02-14-2012, 02:11 PM
Republicans don't "hate" Romney, but they would prefer a more conservative alternative. They will settle on Romney and unite if he gets the nod.


Republicans hate Ron Paul because he goes against everything that they stand for. He has always been for eliminating taxes and has been against the war. He may be a republican by name but he has the GOP shaking in their boots. Ron Paul would actually give the republicans the best chance of beating President Obama.

duane1969
02-14-2012, 02:17 PM
Republicans hate Ron Paul because he goes against everything that they stand for. He has always been for eliminating taxes and has been against the war. He may be a republican by name but he has the GOP shaking in their boots. Ron Paul would actually give the republicans the best chance of beating President Obama.

Dems don't exactly love him either. Eliminating taxes means eliminating their pet entitlement programs.

Wickabee
02-14-2012, 02:46 PM
Ron Paul is there for Ron Paul, no one else, but that's sort of his message.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I am Canadian) but Ron Paul looks like he wants to all but eliminate government altogether and have everyone look out for themselves and only themselves.
This doesn't jive with Republicans because they want to look after each other. It doesn't jive with Democrats because they want to take care of everybody. I honestly think he's probably the smartest of the Reps, but that doesn't mean squat in an election.

pspstatus
02-14-2012, 11:03 PM
I say that Santorum won't last due to his stance on social issues.

marekschwarz33
02-14-2012, 11:43 PM
Ron Paul is there for Ron Paul, no one else, but that's sort of his message.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I am Canadian) but Ron Paul looks like he wants to all but eliminate government altogether and have everyone look out for themselves and only themselves.
This doesn't jive with Republicans because they want to look after each other. It doesn't jive with Democrats because they want to take care of everybody. I honestly think he's probably the smartest of the Reps, but that doesn't mean squat in an election.

I think you're a little off base. I wouldn't say that he wants to "all but elimate government". He's a strict Constitutionalist. Under a Ron Paul administration, a lot of what is currently done by the Federal government, would be transferred to the individual states.

In all honesty, I think Paul gives the GOP the best chance to win. He draws tremendous support from independents and even some Democrats. If Paul is not the nominee, the majority of his supporters, myself included, will not support the GOP in the general election. I may even regretfully vote for Obama to avoid a Santorum presidency...

AUTaxMan
02-15-2012, 06:36 AM
I think you're a little off base. I wouldn't say that he wants to "all but elimate government". He's a strict Constitutionalist. Under a Ron Paul administration, a lot of what is currently done by the Federal government, would be transferred to the individual states.

In all honesty, I think Paul gives the GOP the best chance to win. He draws tremendous support from independents and even some Democrats. If Paul is not the nominee, the majority of his supporters, myself included, will not support the GOP in the general election. I may even regretfully vote for Obama to avoid a Santorum presidency...

Please explain how Santorum could be worse than Obama. I just don't get it.

pghin08
02-15-2012, 01:13 PM
I say that Santorum won't last due to his stance on social issues.

I agree wholeheartedly.

marekschwarz33
02-15-2012, 04:01 PM
Please explain how Santorum could be worse than Obama. I just don't get it.

To me, Santorum and Obama are the same. They both support big government, just different objectives. I do not agree with Obama on many issues at all, but another 4 years of Obama (as opposed to a potential 8 years of Santorum) paves the way better for a Rand Paul or Gary Johnson run in 2016. Also, Santorum seems to focus too much on social issues at a time when the economy is at the forefront. Adding on to that, he would attack civil liberties and seems to be very willing to go to war without cause.

AUTaxMan
02-15-2012, 04:04 PM
To me, Santorum and Obama are the same. They both support big government, just different objectives. I do not agree with Obama on many issues at all, but another 4 years of Obama (as opposed to a potential 8 years of Santorum) paves the way better for a Rand Paul or Gary Johnson run in 2016. Also, Santorum seems to focus too much on social issues at a time when the economy is at the forefront. Adding on to that, he would attack civil liberties and seems to be very willing to go to war without cause.

What makes you think Santorum is a big government guy?

If you have been paying attention to what he says as opposed to what the media says about him, Santorum focuses PRIMARILY on the economy and civil liberties. Watch his CPAC address. The media plays up his stance on the social issues because it knows that is where he is most vulnerable.

Attack civil liberties? Seriously, where are you getting that? His primary focus is protecting civil liberties. He is also NOT willing to go to war without cause.

I suggest you spend a little more time listening to his message before formulating your opinion.

marekschwarz33
02-15-2012, 04:30 PM
Perhaps our definition of big government since I lean towards the Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist side of things...but anyway, here are a couple links detailing Santorum's voting record and the ALCU's Candidate report card on civil liberties:

http://www.issues2000.org/Rick_Santorum.htm#Civil_Rights

http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/ALWCandidateReportCard.pdf

AUTaxMan
02-15-2012, 04:49 PM
Perhaps our definition of big government since I lean towards the Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist side of things...but anyway, here are a couple links detailing Santorum's voting record and the ALCU's Candidate report card on civil liberties:

http://www.issues2000.org/Rick_Santorum.htm#Civil_Rights

http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/ALWCandidateReportCard.pdf

I wouldn't cite the ACLU as an impartial evaluator of the candidates' stances on civil liberties.

mrveggieman
02-15-2012, 04:55 PM
I wouldn't cite the ACLU as an impartial evaluator of the candidates' stances on civil liberties.


Why wouldn't you. They are neither a republican nor democratic organization.

AUTaxMan
02-15-2012, 04:58 PM
Why wouldn't you. They are neither a republican nor democratic organization.

Even though they don't claim to be directly affiliated with any party, the ACLU swings heavily liberal.

shrewsbury
02-15-2012, 05:49 PM
so fellow republicans or others, how do you really feel? i think this election sucks, and is worse that the last. atleast then i had hope for obama, i even told my wife he had the chance to be the greatest president ever or the worst, and i don;t think he's the greatest. but is he worse than who we have running now? i am unsure.

if someone one can fix the job situation, that would fix nearly everything else. things like abortion, the border, taxes, are important, but not as dire as the economy, people need to work to pay taxes, buy homes, cars, and everything else. if we cut the military where are those vets going to work? if we create jobs for them, what the h#$% is everyone else suppose to do? if we increases taxes, it ain't making no jobs, and i can't pay for everyone, because they refuse to work a low end job or can't find one.

AUTaxMan
02-15-2012, 06:46 PM
so fellow republicans or others, how do you really feel? i think this election sucks, and is worse that the last. atleast then i had hope for obama, i even told my wife he had the chance to be the greatest president ever or the worst, and i don;t think he's the greatest. but is he worse than who we have running now? i am unsure.

if someone one can fix the job situation, that would fix nearly everything else. things like abortion, the border, taxes, are important, but not as dire as the economy, people need to work to pay taxes, buy homes, cars, and everything else. if we cut the military where are those vets going to work? if we create jobs for them, what the h#$% is everyone else suppose to do? if we increases taxes, it ain't making no jobs, and i can't pay for everyone, because they refuse to work a low end job or can't find one.

In my opinion, he is the worst president of our lifetime. He spends money at an unsustainable pace. He attacks religion. He attacks the oil industry. He attacks anyone who is in business except for those who do him political favors. He wants to weaken our military. He is a foreign policy disaster. He specializes in drumming up class warfare for political gain. He has done absolutely nothing to fix our economy that has worked, and in large part, his policies have made things worse. His healthcare plan, though well-intentioned, is not affordable. He loathes the Constitution and views it as a hindrance to his plans, not a device protecting our freedoms. He wants to raise taxes. He has not addressed entitlement reform. He is in the unions' back pocket. He thinks more government is a good thing. You should read his budget proposal. As a tax lawyer, I can tell you that it is an absolute joke.

I don't know what kind of President Rick Santorum would be, but I can tell you that he won't be the absolute embarrassment that Barack Obama is.

Wickabee
02-15-2012, 06:46 PM
I think you're a little off base. I wouldn't say that he wants to "all but elimate government". He's a strict Constitutionalist. Under a Ron Paul administration, a lot of what is currently done by the Federal government, would be transferred to the individual states.

In all honesty, I think Paul gives the GOP the best chance to win. He draws tremendous support from independents and even some Democrats. If Paul is not the nominee, the majority of his supporters, myself included, will not support the GOP in the general election. I may even regretfully vote for Obama to avoid a Santorum presidency...
Ahh, I see.
I will say again, I think Ron Paul is the single smartest person in that race, but not necessarily the best choice (that depends on whether you're trying to win an election or properly run a country).

AUTaxMan
02-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Ahh, I see.
I will say again, I think Ron Paul is the single smartest person in that race, but not necessarily the best choice (that depends on whether you're trying to win an election or properly run a country).

Paul has some good ideas, but I don't think he would be a good President.

Wickabee
02-16-2012, 02:15 AM
Paul has some good ideas, but I don't think he would be a good President.
Exactly. He's the smartest of the bunch, but I don't see him running a nation. Mind you, I have more faith in him running a nation than winning an election.

mrveggieman
02-16-2012, 09:01 AM
Paul has some good ideas, but I don't think he would be a good President.


So what is your idea of a good president mrtaxman? GWB? What about one of these jokers running against President Obama? C'mon man you have got to step your game up. If there is a decent canidate that plans to run against our president who has some decent ideas for turning our country around, has a realistic chance of winning and is not about politics as usual I would love to know who he/she is.

AUTaxMan
02-16-2012, 09:37 AM
So what is your idea of a good president mrtaxman? GWB? What about one of these jokers running against President Obama? C'mon man you have got to step your game up. If there is a decent canidate that plans to run against our president who has some decent ideas for turning our country around, has a realistic chance of winning and is not about politics as usual I would love to know who he/she is.

Santorum is a good candidate who has great ideas and a realistic chance of winning. His speech at CPAC was great, and it showed that he is the kind of person I want in the White House. Since you cannot watch videos at work, here is the transcript:


I came here back in, right after, the 2008 election. I come to, I’ve been coming to a lot of CPAC conventions over the years, and after that election, I made this statement, I said, “Conservatism did not fail our country. Conservatives failed conservatism.” And that’s what I really believed then, and that we, in fact, lost heart. As conservatives we lost heart. We listened to the voices who said that we had to abandon our principles and our values to get things done-- to win. Well we hear those same voices today, that we have to learn our lesson, that we need to compromise, do what’s politically reasonable, and go out and push someone forward who can “win.” Well, I think we have learned our lesson. The lesson we’ve learned is that we will no longer abandon and apologize for the policies and principles that made this country great for a hollow victory in November. The other thing that we should recognize, as conservatives and tea party folks, is that we are not just wings of the Republican Party. We are the Republican Party.

Folks, I’ve been here before. We know each other. We’ve worked together in the vineyards. We’ve taken on the tough battles that confront this country. I know you, and you know me. And that’s important, because we’ve worked together. Some say experience is a bad thing in this election. I don’t think so. I think knowing the people who are the conservative leaders; knowing the people who have worked in the vineyards for decades; knowing the people who bring the ideas and the breath and the wellspring of ideas to conservatism is important, because as Richard Viguerie often says, “Policies are personnel.” Personnel is what makes it. Knowing the people to bring and to surround yourself with. Those voices that we’ve listened to in the past were all people that we brought in, who told us, “Well, no, we can’t stand by those principles.” Ladies and gentlemen, as President of the United States, we will surround ourselves in this administration with people who share our values, who are committed to the principles which made this country great. Leaders of the conservative movement.

We know there’s a lot of excitement here, because this election is about very, very big things. This is not just about jobs, although it is about jobs, and we obviously need to do something about jobs in this country, and we’ve put forward an economic plan that the Wall Street Journal calls “supply-side economics for the working man.” Why? Because we care to make sure that every American has the opportunity to rise-- that the ladder goes down, not just to those who might be voting for us but, yes, the very poor, the people in this country who have been suffering and have been left behind. We want to create an opportunity for all of them-- blue-collar Americans, the working poor-- to rise in society. We’ve put together a plan that reinvigorates the manufacturing base of our economy, that creates opportunities for people to be able to rise again in America. And that’s important.

It’s important that we tackle this huge, monstrous debt that we have in our country-- a debt that is crushing America and our children-- an immoral debt. And I’ve put forward another plan that says we’re going to cut five trillion dollars in five years, balance the budget in five years, and in every year, we will spend less money than the year before. Year after year after year until the budget is balanced. No more cuts in the rate of growth.

We know it’s about big things, though. Really big things. More than just, well, the economy. It’s about foundational principles, and we’ve seen that played out here just in the last few weeks. Every speech I’ve given from the 381 town hall meetings I did in Iowa, I talk about founding principles. This campaign is going to be about a vision. This campaign is going to be about who we are as Americans, because, in essence, that’s what’s at stake. This is the most important election in your lifetime. It’s an election about what kind of country you’re going to leave to the next generation. Are we going to be a country that believes, as our founders did, that our rights don’t come from the government. They come from a much higher authority.

Well, there are those in our country and those in the Oval Office that believe that that’s not the case. They believe that rights do, in fact, come from the government, and that they have gone around convincing the American public that they can, in fact, give you rights. The most important one that they’ve been able to shove down the throats of the American public was, of course, the “right” to health care-- the right to health care in ObamaCare. And we see what happens when government gives you rights. When government gives you rights, government can take away those rights. When government gives you rights, government can coerce you into doing things in exercise of the right that they gave you.

I’ve been traveling around this country talking about how ObamaCare will crush economic freedom, will make people dependent upon government for the most important things, their very lives, and as a result, government will own you, because you will have to pay tribute to Washington in order to get the care you need for your children. One of the reasons I’m in this race, in fact the major reason I’m in this race, is because I think ObamaCare is a game-changer for America.

Margaret Thatcher said when she left the Prime Minister ascendancy that she was never able to accomplish what Reagan accomplished, and she said the reason-- the British national healthcare system. Once people have that dependency, they are never really ever free again. Ladies and gentlemen, we have seen this play out on the stage in the last few weeks. We’ve seen the President of the United States not only tell you what insurance coverage each of you will have, how much you’re going to pay, how much you’re going to be fined if you don’t, but he’s now telling the Catholic Church that they are forced to pay for things that are against their basic tenets and teachings, against their First Amendment rights.

Now, interestingly enough, here’s what they are forcing them to do. In an insurance policy, they’re forcing them to pay for something that costs just a few dollars. Is that what insurance is for? The foundational idea that we have the government telling you that you have to pay for everything as a business-- things that are not really things that you need insurance for-- and still forcing, on something that is not a critical economic need, when you have an economic distress that you would need insurance, but forcing them even the more, to do it for minor expenses. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the kind of coercion that we can expect. It’s not about contraception. It’s about economic liberty. It’s about freedom of speech. It’s about freedom of religion. It’s about government control of your lives, and it’s gotta stop!

And this isn’t the only place that President Obama has tried to control your lives. Of course, one of the favorite things of the Left is to use your sentimentality, your proper understanding and belief that we are stewards of this Earth, and that we have responsibility to hand off a beautiful Earth to the next generation. And so they use that, and they’ve used it in the past, to try to scare you into supporting radical ideas on the environment. They tried it with this idea, this politicization of science called man-made global warming. And President Obama, you may remember, tried to pass Cap and Trade and tried to get control not only of the healthcare system, but of the energy industry, the manufacturing industry, another two big sectors of this economy, and using this facade of man-made global warming.

Well I stood up and fought against those things. Why? Because they will destroy the very foundation of prosperity in our country. You look at any country in the world, and you look at their energy consumption and the cost of energy and their quality of life, their standard of living. The more energy consumption, the higher the standard of living. That’s just the bottom line. We need in America, if we’re going to fuel a great and vibrant economy, we need affordable energy, and this administration has gone out and not only has attacked us with Cap and Trade and with global warming, but now that that has been throw on the dust-bin of history, now they’re going after hydro-fracking.

Now, I come from Pennsylvania. We’re doing a little bit of that in Pennsylvania, thank God. And, guess what, of course now that we’re doing hydro-fracking near the population centers, the bogeyman comes out. Ooooh, look at what it’s gonna do to you. You know how many wells have been hydro-fracked in the United States? Oh, about 7- or 800,000. Where’s been all the noise? Ladies and gentlemen, they scare you to intimidate you-- to trust them and to give them more power.

We need someone who’s willing to go out on these big issues of the day and draw contrasts. We’re not going to win this election, ladies and gentlemen, because the Republican candidate has the most money to beat up their opponent and win the election. We’re not gonna win this election over a lop-sided money advantage. We won’t have one in the fall. President Obama will have more money whoever our nominee is. So just think about what it’s gonna take. It’s gonna take ideas, vision, contrast, a record of accomplishment that can go up against the failed policies of Barack Obama. That’s the winner.

Well, let’s just take a look at that in the Republican field. Who has the boldest contrast? Who has the record that they can run on? Who has the bold plans to turn this economy around and to support the very institutions of our country that provide the foundation of our country, faith and family. Who has that track record and that contrast? [applause]

Okay. I guess I quit now since you’re all convinced of that. But let’s look at it. On the issue of ObamaCare, who has a record of supporting health savings accounts and tort reform and bottom-up, consumer-driven healthcare for twenty years? And who has supported, in fact, the stepchild of ObamaCare? The person in Massachusetts who built the largest government-run healthcare system in the United States. Someone who would completely give that issue away in the fall. Give the issue away of government control of your health.

Who would be the better person to go at the Obama administration on trying to control the energy and the manufacturing sector of our economy and trying to dictate to you what lights to turn on and what cars to drive? Would it be someone who bought in to man-made global warming and imposed the first carbon cap for a state of Massachusetts, the first state to do so in the country?

Or would it be someone who would take on the other big issue of government control of our economy which is the government control of the financial services sector? We see everybody up on stage at the debates complaining about Dodd-Frank, but two of the three candidates supported the Wall Street bailout which was the predecessor of which Dodd-Frank was based upon. So who would provide the clear contrast of believing in the conservative vision of bottom-up, free people, free markets, not government dependency, government control? Ladies and gentlemen, we’re not going to win with money. We’re going to win with contrast. We’re going to win with ideas. We’re going to win by making Barack Obama’s failed policies this issue of this race.

We won in 2010 because conservatives rallied. They were excited about the contrast. They were excited about the candidates who were put forth in that election. And that’s why we won. We always talk about, oh, how are we gonna get the moderates? Why would an undecided voter vote for a candidate of a party who the party is not excited about? We need conservatives now to rally for a conservative to go into November, to excite the conservative base, to pull with that excitement moderate voters, and to defeat Barack Obama in the fall.

When I close, I’ll just say this. When I started our speech, I referred to where rights came from, and of course that’s in our Declaration of Independence. I know a lot of folks like to focus on the Constitution. The Constitution is, obviously, the operator’s manual for America. It is the “how” of America, and it is essential that we return our government to the constraints of that Constitution. But, the “why” of America, who we are, is in the Declaration: “In these words we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” That’s who we are. A country that was built on the idea that rights come to us from God and that the government’s job, the one thing that it’s the government’s job to do, is to protect those rights so you can form families and churches and community organizations, civic groups, hospitals, schools, and build a great and just society from the bottom up. That’s the conservative vision for America. That’s who we are. At the end of that Declaration, there was a phrase, and these signers signed this Declaration with this pledge: they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. No one is asking you to go out there today and risk your life, although, thank God, men and women step foward every single day and put the uniform on of the military and do so. And I am not asking for your fortune, although if you go to ricksantorum.com, a piece of that fortune would be very helpful, but I am asking for your honor, to put your honor on the line. Honor is a term that’s not used that often in America any more, but is exactly what is at stake, because this is our watch. We are stewards of a great inheritance, and it is our responsibility to shepherd that inheritance, and to make it a greater and richer one for the next generation, and if we fail to do that, we have failed our duty and our honor as Americans. This is your opportunity. Many generations come and go in America and lived in many respects in inconsequential times. You are blessed to live in a time when America needs you. Please, walk out of this gathering. Choose the candidate which you believe is the right person to lead this country, not just to victory, but to the changes that are necessary for that victory to be won, that you can say, “I have done my duty. I have kept my honor.” Thank you and God bless.

mrveggieman
02-28-2012, 02:12 PM
I've read it. Just a bunch of hot air from another anti-Obama republican. What's new?

AUTaxMan
02-28-2012, 02:27 PM
I've read it. Just a bunch of hot air from another anti-Obama republican. What's new?

Why do you say that it is "hot air"?

mrveggieman
02-28-2012, 02:49 PM
Why do you say that it is "hot air"?

It's typicall politician talk. All politicans regardless of party bash the other guy, talking about how terrible the competition is is and how much better they would be and spew off a whole bunch of rhetoric about how much better the world would be if they got elected and once they get into office nothing changes. Why should anyone believe anything santorum has to say compared to any other politician?

AUTaxMan
02-28-2012, 04:04 PM
It's typicall politician talk. All politicans regardless of party bash the other guy, talking about how terrible the competition is is and how much better they would be and spew off a whole bunch of rhetoric about how much better the world would be if they got elected and once they get into office nothing changes. Why should anyone believe anything santorum has to say compared to any other politician?

What reason has he given you not to trust him?

mrveggieman
02-28-2012, 04:06 PM
What reason has he given you not to trust him?


He's a republican politician spewing off all of the same hot air that all before him have spewed. I'm sorry but he is going have to prove his worth by actions and not words.

AUTaxMan
02-28-2012, 04:11 PM
He's a republican politician spewing off all of the same hot air that all before him have spewed. I'm sorry but he is going have to prove his worth by actions and not words.

And how is he to do that?

pghin08
02-28-2012, 04:14 PM
And how is he to do that?

Well that's the problem with ANY political candidate. Campaigning is all about raising expectations, while governing is often about lowering them.

mrveggieman
02-28-2012, 04:14 PM
And how is he to do that?


If he ever got elected (which I highly doubt) go out and do something to help the public instead of bashing your oponent and making idle campaign promises.

AUTaxMan
02-28-2012, 04:20 PM
If he ever got elected (which I highly doubt) go out and do something to help the public instead of bashing your oponent and making idle campaign promises.

Then why did you vote for Obama? He had a career track record of nothing when he ran, and he wasn't running against Bush.

mrveggieman
02-28-2012, 04:23 PM
Then why did you vote for Obama? He had a career track record of nothing when he ran, and he wasn't running against Bush.


He had fresh and innovative ideas that would have actually benefited out country if it were not for your beloved republicans stonewalling him. Besides after 8 years of republican garbage it was time for a change. :winking0071:

AUTaxMan
02-28-2012, 04:24 PM
He had fresh and innovative ideas that would have actually benefited out country if it were not for your beloved republicans stonewalling him. Besides after 8 years of republican garbage it was time for a change. :winking0071:

What, exactly, were those fresh and innovative ideas?