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02-22-2012, 02:43 PM
Interesting article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-lux/what-bible-is-santorum-reading_b_1288094.html

Talk amongst yourselves.

ensbergcollector
02-22-2012, 03:04 PM
i'll give him this, he is about half right. the writer enjoys taking sentences without taking into account context.

nearly all of jesus and paul's talks of helping the poor was focused very predominately on widows and orphans, i.e. those who in that society could not provide for themselves. He never once said to give hand outs to able bodied individuals. in fact, paul goes as far as to say he who does not work, shall not eat.

the writer truly lost me when he implies that because jesus did not speak out against abortion or homosexuality, that that is in some way saying he was not opposed to it.

as I said, the author gets it about half right. given the source that is impressive.

boba
02-23-2012, 08:01 PM
i'll give him this, he is about half right. the writer enjoys taking sentences without taking into account context.

nearly all of jesus and paul's talks of helping the poor was focused very predominately on widows and orphans, i.e. those who in that society could not provide for themselves. He never once said to give hand outs to able bodied individuals. in fact, paul goes as far as to say he who does not work, shall not eat.

the writer truly lost me when he implies that because jesus did not speak out against abortion or homosexuality, that that is in some way saying he was not opposed to it.

as I said, the author gets it about half right. given the source that is impressive.

Jesus wanted us to give of our money and time to the poor of our own free will - out of our own initiative. With taxes the government doesn't allow us to do this and gives us an excuse not to. If the government didn't force us to take care of the poor through them, then we would do it out of our own free will.

Wickabee
02-24-2012, 12:39 PM
Jesus wanted us to give of our money and time to the poor of our own free will - out of our own initiative. With taxes the government doesn't allow us to do this and gives us an excuse not to. If the government didn't force us to take care of the poor through them, then we would do it out of our own free will.
Would we really? Or would the majority of us simply come up with another excuse?

boba
02-24-2012, 01:37 PM
Would we really? Or would the majority of us simply come up with another excuse?

Maybe we would, but I have never seen that in the history of man.

In the past, farmers would allow poor people to glean off the leftovers of their fields. This was perfect because the poor who were poor because they were lazy didn't get free stuff like they do now. They had to work for their handouts.

And for the disabled and orphans there is always people who will help them out, the real danger is when the government gets a hold of this. In the past when this has been done by the government the government felt it was their responsibility to say if the person in question was fit to live. You can see a little bit of this creeping up in the USA ( Obamacare )

Wickabee
02-24-2012, 01:57 PM
Maybe we would, but I have never seen that in the history of man.

In the past, farmers would allow poor people to glean off the leftovers of their fields. This was perfect because the poor who were poor because they were lazy didn't get free stuff like they do now. They had to work for their handouts.

And for the disabled and orphans there is always people who will help them out, the real danger is when the government gets a hold of this. In the past when this has been done by the government the government felt it was their responsibility to say if the person in question was fit to live. You can see a little bit of this creeping up in the USA ( Obamacare )
I disagree with your last point there. Socialised health care will not result in government defined mercy killings. That's crazy. If it did, I'd have been killed by my government in April when I was diagnosed.

What I think is dangerous is the "there will always be someone to look after them." I think that's very naive thinking. Do I think a government should be looking after you from cradle to grave? No. Do I think the government has a responsibility to its people? Absolutely.

Do I think people would be as caring and helpful if the government had no programs? Maybe. Would they actually help out as much? Not a chance. Call my cynical if you want, but I'd put money on it.

boba
02-24-2012, 02:03 PM
I disagree with your last point there. Socialised health care will not result in government defined mercy killings. That's crazy. If it did, I'd have been killed by my government in April when I was diagnosed.

What I think is dangerous is the "there will always be someone to look after them." I think that's very naive thinking. Do I think a government should be looking after you from cradle to grave? No. Do I think the government has a responsibility to its people? Absolutely.

Do I think people would be as caring and helpful if the government had no programs? Maybe. Would they actually help out as much? Not a chance. Call my cynical if you want, but I'd put money on it.

I didn't say the government would kill them, just that they would choose the most likely to survive.

I think your wrong when you say you don't think people would help out just as good as government, for one they would give money to people who deserve help and not just lazy government parasites. Have you seen stories on the news and papers were they feature someone who has fallen through the cracks of the government? They always get plenty of money from personal donations, and this is with the government taking taxes.

Also the doctors prices would be way cheaper if it wasn't for the government getting involved.

Wickabee
02-24-2012, 02:32 PM
If it wasn't for the government being involved with doctors, I wouldn't be able to afford my treatments. Without getting to much into my personal situation, I have 3 doctors, a physiotherapist and a neurologist plus $2000+ per month of medication. Even with government helping on my costs, it still stretches me pretty thin. Without the government, I'd be completely hooped. I can't work right now, it's possible I may never be able to again. Under privatized health care, I still wouldn't know what's wrong with me and I'd have no one to help me.

And for every story where someone "falls through the cracks" and people step up and help, I would bet there's at least a dozen others who fell through and are stuck there.

Also, if government being involved with health care would only help those more likely to survive, they would have given up on my grandfather 10 years before he finally passed and my grandmother at least 20 years before she went.