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angel0430
03-07-2012, 10:15 AM
http://www.publico.es/internacional/425053/eeuu-no-arrojo-al-mar-el-cadaver-de-bin-laden

This is Spanish but basically what it says is that the body of Bin Laden is in U.S. soil as we speak.

If this is real, this is going to have a crazy effect on the credibility of our governement and it si going to bring a lot of anger in the Middle East.

Star_Cards
03-07-2012, 10:17 AM
can't really comment on it since I can't read the claims in the article of how they came to think that the US has OBL's body.

If it were true, the United States government has to be rather stupid to lie about what they did with his body.

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 10:41 AM
I actually didn't believe that they dumped his body in the ocean either but at this point who knows. If the Obama adm was complicit in some type of cover up the guy before him was just as responsible because all this went down under his watch.

AUTaxMan
03-07-2012, 10:45 AM
If the Obama adm was complicit in some type of cover up the guy before him was just as responsible because all this went down under his watch.


:confused0024:

angel0430
03-07-2012, 10:45 AM
can't really comment on it since I can't read the claims in the article of how they came to think that the US has OBL's body.

If it were true, the United States government has to be rather stupid to lie about what they did with his body.

It was pretty much on emails sent by the head of Stratfor company, which people say is a shadow company to the CIA.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 10:45 AM
I actually didn't believe that they dumped his body in the ocean either but at this point who knows. If the Obama adm was complicit in some type of cover up the guy before him was just as responsible because all this went down under his watch.

Are you referring to Bush?

angel0430
03-07-2012, 10:46 AM
I actually didn't believe that they dumped his body in the ocean either but at this point who knows. If the Obama adm was complicit in some type of cover up the guy before him was just as responsible because all this went down under his watch.

This all went down during the Obama administration. I have no idea why you bring Bush into this...lol

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 11:03 AM
Are you referring to Bush?


Now why would I want to suggest anything negative about everyone's good ole buddy GWB? :sign0020:

Star_Cards
03-07-2012, 11:04 AM
I'm confused why "the guy before", bush, would have anything to do with it if this is true.

if it happens to be true, which I doubt we will ever know for sure, it would be a huge mistake.

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 11:05 AM
This all went down during the Obama administration. I have no idea why you bring Bush into this...lol


Last time I checked Obama was not the president during 9/11/01. He became president on 1/20/09. What was bush doing during that timeframe besides making everyone's life a living hell? Did he make any progress in catching OBL? I think not.

AUTaxMan
03-07-2012, 11:11 AM
Last time I checked Obama was not the president during 9/11/01. He became president on 1/20/09. What was bush doing during that timeframe besides making everyone's life a living hell? Did he make any progress in catching OBL? I think not.

I feel sorry for you.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 11:13 AM
Last time I checked Obama was not the president during 9/11/01. He became president on 1/20/09. What was bush doing during that timeframe besides making everyone's life a living hell? Did he make any progress in catching OBL? I think not.

I strongly doubt Bush was making any conspiracy plans as to what to do with OBLs body though.

angel0430
03-07-2012, 11:25 AM
Last time I checked Obama was not the president during 9/11/01. He became president on 1/20/09. What was bush doing during that timeframe besides making everyone's life a living hell? Did he make any progress in catching OBL? I think not.

You are making no sense at all. The OBL killing took place during this administration and Bush had nothing to do with that killing.

ensbergcollector
03-07-2012, 11:31 AM
so veggie- obama gets credit for the capture and killing of obl like he was a navy seal or something but if there is a conspiracy surrounding OBL it is bush's fault? what??

duane1969
03-07-2012, 11:38 AM
Are you referring to Bush?

Yes. It is Bush's fault. Even if Obama was in office when a cover-up occured it is still in some convoluted, illogical way Bush's fault.

Obama gets full and total credit for killing Obama but it is Bush's fault if there is a cover-up concerning what happened to his corpse. SMH

Bad things happen during Obama's admin. It's Bush's fault.
Good things happen during Obama's admin. It's proof of how great Obama is.

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/ostrich_head_sand2.gif

greg271126817
03-07-2012, 11:44 AM
Yes. It is Bush's fault. Even if Obama was in office when a cover-up occured it is still in some convoluted, illogical way Bush's fault.

Obama gets full and total credit for killing Obama but it is Bush's fault if there is a cover-up concerning what happened to his corpse. SMH

Bad things happen during Obama's admin. It's Bush's fault.
Good things happen during Obama's admin. It's proof of how great Obama is.

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/ostrich_head_sand2.gif
are you telling me our great government of the United States of America is lying to us? There is no way i believe that. Especially Osama Bin Obama

Star_Cards
03-07-2012, 11:46 AM
Last time I checked Obama was not the president during 9/11/01. He became president on 1/20/09. What was bush doing during that timeframe besides making everyone's life a living hell? Did he make any progress in catching OBL? I think not.

even though the hunt for OBL started under bush after 9/11, and that was more than likely why he was killed after Obama was elected, there's still zero reason why the action done by obama, the administration, the military, the CIA, or whomever would be linked back to Bush.

If this happened, the action probably wasn't ran past bush. I see no basis of any amount of blame to be put on bush if this is proven to be true.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 11:49 AM
The last e-mail to George Friedmann at Stratfor basically said the body had been dumped in the ocean. The e-mail said, "Down and dirty done, He already sleeps with the fish"

Star_Cards
03-07-2012, 11:50 AM
Yes. It is Bush's fault. Even if Obama was in office when a cover-up occured it is still in some convoluted, illogical way Bush's fault.

Obama gets full and total credit for killing Obama but it is Bush's fault if there is a cover-up concerning what happened to his corpse. SMH

Bad things happen during Obama's admin. It's Bush's fault.
Good things happen during Obama's admin. It's proof of how great Obama is.

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/ostrich_head_sand2.gif

I'd like the record to show that not all people who voted for or will vote for Obama in the coming election play the "it's bush's fault" card. I believe that there are some circumstances where an outgoing president does effect the term of an incoming president, but not all obama voters/supports use this card as an out for anything that his administration may do wrong. To do so with every negative thing the Obama administration would be completely irresponsible and simply untrue and I do not personally do that.

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 11:52 AM
so veggie- obama gets credit for the capture and killing of obl like he was a navy seal or something but if there is a conspiracy surrounding OBL it is bush's fault? what??


I call it like I see it. Some of you republicans/birthers/conservatives/tea party people like to say that Obama is so powerful that he alone can decieve the entire us gov't and voting system to convince everyone that he was born in the united states when he was not. Then you say that he was powerful enough to capture/kill/hide or whatever he did with OBL and cover it up all by himself. I'm just trying to give your good ole buddy gwb some credit for being smart enough to carry on a conspiracy as well. Are you saing that your beloved Bush is to dumb to think create his own cover ups and conspiracies?

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 11:56 AM
I'd like the record to show that not all people who voted for or will vote for Obama in the coming election play the "it's bush's fault" card. I believe that there are some circumstances where an outgoing president does effect the term of an incoming president, but not all obama voters/supports use this card as an out for anything that his administration may do wrong. To do so with every negative thing the Obama administration would be completely irresponsible and simply untrue and I do not personally do that.


That's a good point but we all know that as soon as a republican gets the seat the first thing that they will do is blame obama if things don't go their way.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 11:56 AM
I call it like I see it. Some of you republicans/birthers/conservatives/tea party people like to say that Obama is so powerful that he alone can decieve the entire us gov't and voting system to convince everyone that he was born in the united states when he was not. Then you say that he was powerful enough to capture/kill/hide or whatever he did with OBL and cover it up all by himself. I'm just trying to give your good ole buddy gwb some credit for being smart enough to carry on a conspiracy as well. Are you saing that your beloved Bush is to dumb to think create his own cover ups and conspiracies?

I just don't see why Obama would be "complicit" in a conspiracy that Bush created to dispose of OBLs body, or to examine it and lie, or whatever. Why would Bush plan to cover up something that hadn't happened yet?

moceanwerker
03-07-2012, 11:59 AM
If this is real, this is going to have a crazy effect on the credibility of our governement

what credibility?




and it si going to bring a lot of anger in the Middle East.

they're already angry...

duane1969
03-07-2012, 12:00 PM
I'd like the record to show that not all people who voted for or will vote for Obama in the coming election play the "it's bush's fault" card. I believe that there are some circumstances where an outgoing president does effect the term of an incoming president, but not all obama voters/supports use this card as an out for anything that his administration may do wrong. To do so with every negative thing the Obama administration would be completely irresponsible and simply untrue and I do not personally do that.

I realize you don't, but the P&R section certainly has it's share of Obama apologetics who think he does no wrong and scapegoat everything by either blaming Bush or outright denying anything wrong was even done.

Franics Bacon said it best..."Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true."

duane1969
03-07-2012, 12:03 PM
That's a good point but we all know that as soon as a republican gets the seat the first thing that they will do is blame obama if things don't go their way.

Thanks for admitting you apply a double-standard where Obama is concerned. You blame Bush for everything that doesn't go right for Obama but you have a problem with blaming Obama for anything that doesn't go right for the next president. Nice.

Greengoblin782
03-07-2012, 12:06 PM
The famous Osama bin Laden's burial at sea, where the corpse of the leader of Al Qaeda was thrown into a bag with weights after being prepared "in accordance with Islamic precepts," according to spokesman said the White House never produced. Instead, the body of inspiring 11-S, killed in Abbottabad (Pakistan) by a special command SEAL Marine, was transferred to the U.S. on a CIA plane while the whole world thought he was in the bottom Arabian Sea.

At least that's what I said in several mails superconfidenciales Vice President for Intelligence of the CIA in the shadow (private intelligence company Stratfor), Fred Burton, who at first does not share this information with all the analysts of his own company, but that encrypts your mail (discovered by Wikileaks and disseminates Publico.es exclusively for Spain) with the keyword "[alpha]" that limits reception to a small dome which has ultimate responsibility for the corporation. In addition, emails were sent from a BlackBerry (via the telephone company AT & T), indicating that they were revelations obtained on the East Coast of the U.S. (probably in Washington) sent from the street to its headquarters in Austin (Texas ) without waiting to return to his office, of the importance of the facts.
"I report that we have brought the corpse"

The first of the mails of Burton, a former Secret Service Special Agent Diplomatic U.S. State Department, skip to 5:26:15 in the morning after the formal announcement by President Barack Obama that the U.S. has settled its enemy number one . Under the stark heading "OBL" (Osama bin Laden) the text is too terse: "I report that we have brought the corpse. Thank God. "

The next shipment, at 5:51:12, gives information on the proper subject heading "[alpha] The body goes to Dover, Delaware, on a CIA plane." There is a basis for the U.S. Air Force near the shore of the Atlantic Ocean. In the message text explains: "Then continue to the Institute of Pathology Armed Forces in Bethesda" with Washington, DC. That's it.

Several hours later, at 13:36:41, Burton picks up the thread of a conversation that are keeping analysts Stratfor, crossed by emails with the heading "OBL Corpse", finally desvelarles that "the body goes to Dover, should have arrived. " In those emails, the other CIA agents in the shade and have expressed serious doubts that the corpse had been thrown into the sea. Burton himself had intervened earlier in an open message to everyone saying:

"If the body was thrown into the sea, which I doubt, would be an extra special touch to Adolf Eichmann. The Tribe [referring to the Jews] did the same with the ashes of the Nazi. We would like to have the photograph, DNA, fingerprints, etc.. [Bin Laden] Your body is like the scene of a crime and can not imagine that the FBI and the Justice Department would allow such a thing. "
"I doubt that happened"

The president and company founder, George Friedman, I replied, "Eichmann was seen alive during the many months of trial before being sentenced to death and executed. Nobody wanted to have a monument, so he was cremated. I do not know of anyone that he was not sostuviese Eichmann. There is no comparison to bury him [bin Laden] suddenly at sea, with no possibility of anyone seeing him, which I doubt that happened

Obviously, Burton could have been misled by his sources (though hard to imagine for what purpose), but which gives more strength and credibility to his version is that ten days later, on May 12, send another email, a "safe list "consensus of leading analysts, announcing:" I can have access to the materials seized from the shelter of OBL. What are the major issues (other than 45) we want to know? "

Just one minute later, Sean Noonan, answers three questions. The third is "involved with any connections to the state of Pakistan."

The next day morning comes Burton's first response: "A number of associated or within the ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence, the Pakistani secret services] and the Pakistani army, less than 12. Continue to report on this later. "

That afternoon he explains: "I have given the same answer: [official] of medium and high rank in the ISI and the Pakistan Army, one a retired Pakistani general who had knowledge of the plans and house-shelter OBL. I do not know the names or ranks, did not provide them. "

It's clear that Burton has sources in the innermost circles of the U.S. secret services, since such information was not shared with Washington and its closest allies, like the British. In fact, six weeks later (June 28) Burton submitted a comprehensive report on the contents of the safe house of bin Laden, and what was in the "about 100 flash drives [USB] and five computers that Navy SEALs took ", which ends by explaining that the Americans had" shared with the British some information about the contraband "found in the house of Bin Laden. But that report is long and deserves to be written in another review.

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 12:08 PM
I just don't see why Obama would be "complicit" in a conspiracy that Bush created to dispose of OBLs body, or to examine it and lie, or whatever. Why would Bush plan to cover up something that hadn't happened yet?


None of us know what happened that night but to say that Obama alone acted improper in dealing with OBL and Bush did everything right and he only acted as a patriot who loves and always does right by his country while Obama is some type of muslim sympathizer who is somehow dealing with OBL behind the scenes is preposterous. Again this is not directed at you but to all of the bush apologetics who believe that he is the second coming of christ and can and will do no wrong while President Obama is an evil muslim socialist who intends to destroy our country.

tsjct
03-07-2012, 12:17 PM
I could give a crap less what they did or did not do with his body. He is DEAD. And for Obama. HE SUCKS and will SUCK for as long as his IDIOTIC, SELF ABSORBED, PATHETIC BUTT is on this Earth. The best day for AMERICA is the DAY he is GONE and forgotten about.

ensbergcollector
03-07-2012, 12:22 PM
None of us know what happened that night but to say that Obama alone acted improper in dealing with OBL and Bush did everything right and he only acted as a patriot who loves and always does right by his country while Obama is some type of muslim sympathizer who is somehow dealing with OBL behind the scenes is preposterous. Again this is not directed at you but to all of the bush apologetics who believe that he is the second coming of christ and can and will do no wrong while President Obama is an evil muslim socialist who intends to destroy our country.

i will say this once so you understand....NO ONE THINKS THAT! You continue to spout a bunch of crap that no one believes. You try and attribute it to people because it is the only way you know to argue. It is easy to argue against things that no one thinks. I kindly request that you read your own posts. If anyone here thinks anyone is the second coming of christ, it is you and how you speak of obama.


Again, this thread had nothing to do with bush until you brought it up? How did you bring him up? Oh yeah, while you like to give obama all credit for capturing bin laden, the second there is anything negative about the story, you blame bush. Are you seriously unaware of how ridiculous that is?

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 12:32 PM
i will say this once so you understand....NO ONE THINKS THAT! You continue to spout a bunch of crap that no one believes. You try and attribute it to people because it is the only way you know to argue. It is easy to argue against things that no one thinks. I kindly request that you read your own posts. If anyone here thinks anyone is the second coming of christ, it is you and how you speak of obama.


Again, this thread had nothing to do with bush until you brought it up? How did you bring him up? Oh yeah, while you like to give obama all credit for capturing bin laden, the second there is anything negative about the story, you blame bush. Are you seriously unaware of how ridiculous that is?

Yes the soldiers get the credit for capturing and or killing him but we must still give President Obama credit for giving the orders. Really there's nothing negative that anyone can say about obama except for the lies that some of you like to put out and to blame him for not getting things done when it is YOUR republican party that stonewalls everything that he does. It dosen't really matter though because despite all the naysayers President Obama will be relected this fall and will serve a second term.

tsjct
03-07-2012, 12:38 PM
Yes the soldiers get the credit for capturing and or killing him but we must still give President Obama credit for giving the orders. Really there's nothing negative that anyone can say about obama except for the lies that some of you like to put out and to blame him for not getting things done when it is YOUR republican party that stonewalls everything that he does. It dosen't really matter though because despite all the naysayers President Obama will be relected this fall and will serve a second term.

And this will ONLY Destroy the USA even more than he already has. I just feel sorry for the children growing up now as they will have to PAY for all his Crap for EVER. We will never recover from our DEBT if he is re elected. Guess if that is what you want then by all means go vote for the WORST Person ever in office.

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 12:49 PM
Guess if that is what you want then by all means go vote for the WORST Person ever in office.


I'm sorry but I am voting for President Obama this fall not GWB. Besides bush is not elgible to run anymore anyway. Thank God.

tsjct
03-07-2012, 12:56 PM
I'm sorry but I am voting for President Obama this fall not GWB. Besides bush is not elgible to run anymore anyway. Thank God.

I guess i need to go buy more Gold and Silver today since your guaranteeing a BO victory. The middle and Lower Class will get destroyed with his reelection. But that is what he wants. He loves to keep the poor man down and give them just enough to get by so they have to do nothing and he can get their votes. He laughs himself to sleep at night knowing he screwing them over and they think he cares. To be honest it will not hurt me one BIT if he is reelected. If he is reelected i am going to let 8 employees go and i am downsizing my company as i will not pay the taxes to that idiot. I will just earn a little less money to get below that and live just fine. Just sucks for the ones i am letting go. But i will tell them to THANK OBAMA.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 01:01 PM
I guess i need to go buy more Gold and Silver today since your guaranteeing a BO victory. The middle and Lower Class will get destroyed with his reelection. But that is what he wants. He loves to keep the poor man down and give them just enough to get by so they have to do nothing and he can get their votes. He laughs himself to sleep at night knowing he screwing them over and they think he cares. To be honest it will not hurt me one BIT if he is reelected. If he is reelected i am going to let 8 employees go and i am downsizing my company as i will not pay the taxes to that idiot. I will just earn a little less money to get below that and live just fine. Just sucks for the ones i am letting go. But i will tell them to THANK OBAMA.

When was the last time Obama raised taxes?

tsjct
03-07-2012, 01:05 PM
where did i say he raised Taxes??

pghin08
03-07-2012, 01:14 PM
where did i say he raised Taxes??

Well you said you were laying off 8 employees because you didn't want to pay the taxes to that idiot. Which kind of insinuates that you think your taxes are going up. (Even though Obama is supporting Eric Cantor's JOBS bill, which may help companies like your own).

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 01:16 PM
If he is reelected i am going to let 8 employees go and i am downsizing my company as i will not pay the taxes to that idiot. I will just earn a little less money to get below that and live just fine. Just sucks for the ones i am letting go. But i will tell them to THANK OBAMA.


Wow I sure hope that no one who works for you visits this site.

shrewsbury
03-07-2012, 01:26 PM
It dosen't really matter though because despite all the naysayers President Obama will be relected this fall and will serve a second term.

bush was re-elected to a second term, despite his dad killing jfk, and him being personally responsible for all the bad that has happened in the last 12 years, and the next 4 to come

boba
03-07-2012, 01:27 PM
I'm sorry but I am voting for President Obama this fall not GWB. Besides bush is not elgible to run anymore anyway. Thank God.


http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq190/bobafett94/photos/see.jpg


But seriously, did GWB punch you in the face as a young child? GWB had way better terms then Obama has had so far unless you believe the crazy conspiracy theories about him that you poo poo for Obama.

Star_Cards
03-07-2012, 01:58 PM
That's a good point but we all know that as soon as a republican gets the seat the first thing that they will do is blame obama if things don't go their way.

there will be some of that. some valid and some not valid at all.

Star_Cards
03-07-2012, 02:04 PM
I guess i need to go buy more Gold and Silver today since your guaranteeing a BO victory. The middle and Lower Class will get destroyed with his reelection. But that is what he wants. He loves to keep the poor man down and give them just enough to get by so they have to do nothing and he can get their votes. He laughs himself to sleep at night knowing he screwing them over and they think he cares. To be honest it will not hurt me one BIT if he is reelected. If he is reelected i am going to let 8 employees go and i am downsizing my company as i will not pay the taxes to that idiot. I will just earn a little less money to get below that and live just fine. Just sucks for the ones i am letting go. But i will tell them to THANK OBAMA.

I'm middle class and I am living exactly how I was when Bush was in office. I get the debt being an issue, but the people ranting about he's the worst president ever and that the country is doomed just doesn't resinate with me. I get that our economy took a hit, but most things point to it turning around. Like I said, I don't like the debt racking up and think politicians should be able to make some cuts in spending all around, but the doomsday chatter just does nothing for me.

AUTaxMan
03-07-2012, 02:19 PM
When was the last time Obama raised taxes?

Have you seen his budget proposal?

AUTaxMan
03-07-2012, 02:22 PM
I'm middle class and I am living exactly how I was when Bush was in office. I get the debt being an issue, but the people ranting about he's the worst president ever and that the country is doomed just doesn't resinate with me. I get that our economy took a hit, but most things point to it turning around. Like I said, I don't like the debt racking up and think politicians should be able to make some cuts in spending all around, but the doomsday chatter just does nothing for me.

I don't think you understand the gravity of our spiraling national debt, exponentially-increased spending, and terrible fiscal policy implemented by the fed. Inflation is coming, and it's going to get ugly.

The economy is not recovering. Real unemployment is around 15%.

boba
03-07-2012, 02:23 PM
Have you seen his budget proposal?


Actually hes right, Obama is content on printing money to cover his expenses, which is an indirect way taxing us.

tsjct
03-07-2012, 02:24 PM
Wow I sure hope that no one who works for you visits this site.

They have already been told to prepare for the inevitable. I have told many of them to start looking or get ready for unemployment. Most say that 2 years of unemployment will be fine with them. I hate to let people go but i am just tired of Busting my tail to give my taxes to a worthless cause. I will just downsize and be just fine. I can only imagine if i am doing this how many other small business are going to do the same.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 03:20 PM
Actually hes right, Ben Bernanke is content on printing money to cover his expenses, which is an indirect way taxing us.

Fixed it!

pghin08
03-07-2012, 03:22 PM
They have already been told to prepare for the inevitable. I have told many of them to start looking or get ready for unemployment. Most say that 2 years of unemployment will be fine with them. I hate to let people go but i am just tired of Busting my tail to give my taxes to a worthless cause. I will just downsize and be just fine. I can only imagine if i am doing this how many other small business are going to do the same.

Have you read Eric Cantor's J.O.B.S act?

boba
03-07-2012, 03:54 PM
Fixed it!


You remember the stimulus bill?

pghin08
03-07-2012, 04:12 PM
You remember the stimulus bill?

Haha, both of them, yes. Both Bush's and Obama's stimulus plans were basically handed down from the Fed and other economists. I truly think the effect that each of them had on the provisions of the stimulus was minimal.

boba
03-07-2012, 04:16 PM
Haha, both of them, yes. Both Bush's and Obama's stimulus plans were basically handed down from the Fed and other economists. I truly think the effect that each of them had on the provisions of the stimulus was minimal.


+1, I didn't agree with Obama's or Bush's.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 04:19 PM
+1, I didn't agree with Obama's or Bush's.

There's always differing schools of economic thought on how to jockey a nation out of recession. I lean towards agree with both of the stimulus packages, though I'm SURE there was money in those stimuli that could have been much better spent elsewhere.

angel0430
03-07-2012, 04:34 PM
LOL....I thought that this thread was suposed to be about OBL and not the economy, taxes and who's fault it is. There are some ver awesome post and then there are some that does not make any sense. Like bringing GWB into the equation or firing 8 employees because he does not like Obama...wow...

pghin08
03-07-2012, 04:36 PM
LOL....I thought that this thread was suposed to be about OBL and not the economy, taxes and who's fault it is. There are some ver awesome post and then there are some that does not make any sense. Like bringing GWB into the equation or firing 8 employees because he does not like Obama...wow...

Probably my bad. For shame, I'm a mod and I'm taking threads off-topic!

To bring it back, I don't lend a whole lot of credence to it. I would think that if the government wanted to bring Osama bin Laden's body back the US, it wouldn't be something that it had to hide from the general public.

ensbergcollector
03-07-2012, 04:45 PM
Probably my bad. For shame, I'm a mod and I'm taking threads off-topic!

To bring it back, I don't lend a whole lot of credence to it. I would think that if the government wanted to bring Osama bin Laden's body back the US, it wouldn't be something that it had to hide from the general public.

unless you want to be very conspiracy theory. OBL isn't dead. they brought him back alive so they can interrogate him at leisure. If they say he is dead and brought back his body then people would want proof. By saying they buried him at sea, there is no one looking for him, dead or alive.

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 04:47 PM
unless you want to be very conspiracy theory. OBL isn't dead. they brought him back alive so they can interrogate him at leisure. If they say he is dead and brought back his body then people would want proof. By saying they buried him at sea, there is no one looking for him, dead or alive.


You might actually be on to something my good friend. :kiss:

pghin08
03-07-2012, 04:50 PM
unless you want to be very conspiracy theory. OBL isn't dead. they brought him back alive so they can interrogate him at leisure. If they say he is dead and brought back his body then people would want proof. By saying they buried him at sea, there is no one looking for him, dead or alive.

Better yet, OBL never existed. His "existence" was only a fabrication to bring us into a war with the Muslim world, so that we can eventually overtake all of the oil in the Middle East.

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 04:52 PM
Better yet, OBL never existed. His "existence" was only a fabrication to bring us into a war with the Muslim world, so that we can eventually overtake all of the oil in the Middle East.


David Banner was actually quoted as saying the same thing. If that's the case this is much bigger than President Obama.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 04:54 PM
David Banner was actually quoted as saying the same thing. If that's the case this is much bigger than President Obama.

The Incredible Hulk?

dmj19842002
03-07-2012, 04:57 PM
your an idiot

how would the guy before him be just a responsible?

we were watching the back door and they ended up kicking in the front door, thats it.




I actually didn't believe that they dumped his body in the ocean either but at this point who knows. If the Obama adm was complicit in some type of cover up the guy before him was just as responsible because all this went down under his watch.




the hunt for OBL started in the clinton admin. and could of been taken out multiple times before 9/11 for other acts of terrorism acts, so by that idiots logic that posted earlier wouldnt it be clintons fault.


even though the hunt for OBL started under bush after 9/11, and that was more than likely why he was killed after Obama was elected, there's still zero reason why the action done by obama, the administration, the military, the CIA, or whomever would be linked back to Bush.

If this happened, the action probably wasn't ran past bush. I see no basis of any amount of blame to be put on bush if this is proven to be true.

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 04:57 PM
The Incredible Hulk?


LOL no the rapper from Mississippi who made the song "Like a Pimp."

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 05:00 PM
your an idiot

how would the guy before him be just a responsible?

we were watching the back door and they ended up kicking in the front door, thats it.






the hunt for OBL started in the clinton admin. and could of been taken out multiple times before 9/11 for other acts of terrorism acts, so by that idiots logic that posted earlier wouldnt it be clintons fault.

Your are an idiot partner. You don't know me.

pghin08
03-07-2012, 05:02 PM
Name calling ends now, fellas. This is about thoughts and ideas, leave the personal stuff out.

dmj19842002
03-07-2012, 05:10 PM
and yes were saying that, Pres. Bush was stupid and couldnt do anything unless he was told to, but atleast he was a smart enough president not to come out and publicly say things like engery prices need to be higher (talking about gas, oil, natural gas and electric) look at what we are paying now for these services and goods and tell me you can stand behind Pres Obama for four more years. And lets not get started on how he is trying to make this country a welfare state by making everybody dependent on the government. oh yeah and then there that health care bill where he will make it mandatory to have it or face pentalties weather you need it or not.

I love how people like you lump groups together like tea party and birthers and republicans. are you kidding me there are more to alot of those groups (except birthers those guys are just crazy) the others its more about fair taxes, laws (or the lack of laws) to make it profitable to run businesses and put people to work instead of standing in a welfare line. Are there nuts in these groups? Yes there are but every group has there fringe element and i have a feeling your a member of the fringe for the group you rep (or atleast i hope).





I call it like I see it. Some of you republicans/birthers/conservatives/tea party people like to say that Obama is so powerful that he alone can decieve the entire us gov't and voting system to convince everyone that he was born in the united states when he was not. Then you say that he was powerful enough to capture/kill/hide or whatever he did with OBL and cover it up all by himself. I'm just trying to give your good ole buddy gwb some credit for being smart enough to carry on a conspiracy as well. Are you saing that your beloved Bush is to dumb to think create his own cover ups and conspiracies?

mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 05:12 PM
We sure have a lot of armchair politicians out here but no one has any ideas whatsoever on how to fix the economy, healthcare, middle east, gas prices etc but are quick to be critical of the president. SMH.

dmj19842002
03-07-2012, 05:26 PM
to be honest he raised taxes, (he raised taxes on gas, on electricity, on oil, on pretty much any energy)


When was the last time Obama raised taxes?

dmj19842002
03-07-2012, 05:33 PM
you know what though your theory makes more sense as to keeping a body, but what about the video recorded by the seals that showed everything going down in the raid


unless you want to be very conspiracy theory. OBL isn't dead. they brought him back alive so they can interrogate him at leisure. If they say he is dead and brought back his body then people would want proof. By saying they buried him at sea, there is no one looking for him, dead or alive.

dmj19842002
03-07-2012, 06:08 PM
i have ideas but there too common sense for are government.
wanna fix the high cost of heathcare, fix the malpractice lawsuits and the insurance for it and also make it so that health care insurance companies have to be competative and open the market up, and have a set price for surgeries and services.

the middle east is a hard one because how can you make everybody in the region happy, specially since they all want us dead (and have had this feeling since the 70's) best you can do there is back your allies and hope they are there to back you when you need them. and treat everybody fairly how you would want to be treated.

Oil/ Energy, lets start drilling here so we dont have to buy and import are oil, it creates jobs and puts money directly in our economy not someone eles, lets not tax the out of it because it's bad for the enviroment (so they say hows global warming ),


You do alot of these thing the economy will take care of its self. If people are making money and have a steady job there not affraid to spend and they will buy stuff sometimes things they may not need, and hopefully when people buy stuff they buy made and built in the usa which helps create more jobs more jobs means more money. Which comes taxes with more money in the system the government can afford a fair tax system that taxes everybody fairly at a flat percent and everybody pays what they owe.

Its pretty simple. fair taxes, produce your own goods, buy our own goods, treat everyone fairly




We sure have a lot of armchair politicians out here but no one has any ideas whatsoever on how to fix the economy, healthcare, middle east, gas prices etc but are quick to be critical of the president. SMH.

angel0430
03-08-2012, 11:01 AM
Hey mods, I think that this is getting out of hand and out of topic. I think that it would be wise to close the thread.

pghin08
03-08-2012, 11:06 AM
Hey mods, I think that this is getting out of hand and out of topic. I think that it would be wise to close the thread.

Agreed, good sir. This has run its course.