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mrveggieman
03-07-2012, 02:35 PM
I'm surprised that no one has bought up Rush's offensive and insulting comments about Sandra Fluke and his half hearted apology.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/rush-limbaugh-apology-sandra-fluke-advertisers_n_1321450.html

AUTaxMan
03-07-2012, 02:51 PM
He should have chosen better words, but his message was on point. Universities should not be required to provide free contraception to students, especially religious institutions.

*censored*
03-07-2012, 03:02 PM
Funny how I don't recall hearing Limbaugh complaining about insurance covering Viagra...

AUTaxMan
03-07-2012, 03:08 PM
Funny how I don't recall hearing Limbaugh complaining about insurance covering Viagra...

Is anyone trying to mandate that insurance cover viagra?

*censored*
03-07-2012, 03:36 PM
Actually, yes. It is covered by many insurers, and would be covered under Obamacare.

Currently, 28 states require insurance companies to cover birth control prescriptions. Why is it such an outrage that Obamacare would cover it? Or, why is there more of an outrage over it than there is about Obamacare as a whole?

ensbergcollector
03-07-2012, 03:42 PM
Actually, yes. It is covered by many insurers, and would be covered under Obamacare.

Currently, 28 states require insurance companies to cover birth control prescriptions. Why is it such an outrage that Obamacare would cover it? Or, why is there more of an outrage over it than there is about Obamacare as a whole?

because religious institutions are being required to pay for birth control which they oppose.

boba
03-07-2012, 03:45 PM
He should have chosen better words, but his message was on point. Universities should not be required to provide free contraception to students, especially religious institutions.


+1, if you actually listened to his whole premise, and not just what everyone is playing, it made logical sense. Not saying his choice on words was ok though.

His whole point was that if the government funds your contraception, condoms, etc. what does that make your relationship towards the government? He should have stopped there but went on to get more specific and called the government her pimp and her their prostitute.

boba
03-07-2012, 03:49 PM
I also love the double standard here.

Same president who excepts 1 mil from Bill Mahr to one of his pacts condemns Rush for what he said.

*censored*
03-07-2012, 04:26 PM
because religious institutions are being required to pay for birth control which they oppose.

So a medication causing woman to be able to control her pregnancy is bad, but a medication causing a man to be able to bring about pregnancy is okay?

Am I the only one who sees the obvious double standard here?

boba
03-07-2012, 04:33 PM
So a medication causing woman to be able to control her pregnancy is bad, but a medication causing a man to be able to bring about pregnancy is okay?

Am I the only one who sees the obvious double standard here?

Am I missing something? Did someone on here say that?

pghin08
03-07-2012, 04:39 PM
Not sure why Rush apologized. He's a shock jock, saying inflammatory things is what he does for a job. He's exercising his first amendment rights. If you don't like it, don't listen to him. The only reason he apologized is because he was losing advertiser money.

Star_Cards
03-07-2012, 04:40 PM
because religious institutions are being required to pay for birth control which they oppose.

I feel that religious institutions (hospitals, etc) should have to do all of the same things that other businesses should. They can't only hire people of that religion in which they are affiliated with to my knowledge so it makes sense that they would have employees who don't have the same stance against birth control. Also, not everyone that is catholic agrees with the church's stance on not using it. I say catholic because that is the main religion I know that is formally against the use of birth control.

Star_Cards
03-07-2012, 04:42 PM
Not sure why Rush apologized. He's a shock jock, saying inflammatory things is what he does for a job. He's exercising his first amendment rights. If you don't like it, don't listen to him. The only reason he apologized is because he was losing advertiser money.

I agree with you. I'm not sure why he would apologize unless he was losing more advertisers and he was forced to do so.

As for the statements, like PGHIN said, he's a shock jock. Not sure why people are so shocked by this. I say let him say what he wants as it's his right and advertisers can decide of they want to pull funds or not as that is their right.

*censored*
03-07-2012, 05:46 PM
Am I missing something? Did someone on here say that?

There's been no outrage over insurance covering Viagra but there is over birth control. The tacitness of Viagra coverage is no different than just saying what I said outright.

shrewsbury
03-07-2012, 06:54 PM
i am and was outraged by either being covered.
many will say viagra treats a medical condition where bc does not. but they are wrong. certain bc, such as yaz can control testosterone levels in teen girls. high testosterone can cause depression and severe acne and is surprisingly very common but unchecked in teenage girls.

my insurance(which i get through work) covers yaz for my daughter, but i would have no issue paying for it out of pocket if needed. and it would not be covered if it was not prescribed for a medical condition.

so bc being covered for medical reasons already exists, but should not be covered for any other reason.
i do not believe viagra provides any other medical conditions, besides the obvious, and it should not be covered.

I had no problem with rush's comments, if you listened to the whole show, you would realize those statements were out of context, like stated above.

he is a shock jock what would you expect?

*censored*
03-07-2012, 06:56 PM
Fair enough, as long as you're against both (or for both) that's fine. It's the whole being against one and for the other that makes no sense to me and yet others have no problem with.

AUTaxMan
03-07-2012, 07:00 PM
I feel that religious institutions (hospitals, etc) should have to do all of the same things that other businesses should. They can't only hire people of that religion in which they are affiliated with to my knowledge so it makes sense that they would have employees who don't have the same stance against birth control. Also, not everyone that is catholic agrees with the church's stance on not using it. I say catholic because that is the main religion I know that is formally against the use of birth control.

Wow. You're talking about limiting a person's right to freely exercise their religion. Nobody has a right to work for a particular employer. If you don't meet their criteria, get a job somewhere else.

habsheaven
03-08-2012, 07:31 AM
It amazes me that people have no problem with what Rush says because, afterall, he is a shock jock. What about the person being talked about? Just because you have the RIGHT to say whatever the heck you want, that doesn't mean it is RIGHT to say it.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 09:06 AM
Wow. You're talking about limiting a person's right to freely exercise their religion. Nobody has a right to work for a particular employer. If you don't meet their criteria, get a job somewhere else.


How is someone's freedom of religion being infringed. You as a religious institution have the right to preach whatever you like. You as an individual have the right to worship any way you chose or not to worship at all if that floats your boat. Religious hospitals are business, not people so they have to follow the same rules as any other business. Last time that I checked a mcdonald's restaurant (another form of a business) does not go to church nor does it have a religious preference.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 09:15 AM
This just in Bill O'reiley defend's rush limbaugh's comments. Wow what a shocker. I would have never guessed. SMH.

http://www.newshounds.us/bill_o_reilly_sides_with_limbaugh_in_his_war_on_sa ndra_fluke_03032012

pghin08
03-08-2012, 09:34 AM
It amazes me that people have no problem with what Rush says because, afterall, he is a shock jock. What about the person being talked about? Just because you have the RIGHT to say whatever the heck you want, that doesn't mean it is RIGHT to say it.

I don't think what Rush said was right at all, but if I don't like what he says, I just won't listen to him.

Star_Cards
03-08-2012, 10:19 AM
i am and was outraged by either being covered.
many will say viagra treats a medical condition where bc does not. but they are wrong. certain bc, such as yaz can control testosterone levels in teen girls. high testosterone can cause depression and severe acne and is surprisingly very common but unchecked in teenage girls.

my insurance(which i get through work) covers yaz for my daughter, but i would have no issue paying for it out of pocket if needed. and it would not be covered if it was not prescribed for a medical condition.

so bc being covered for medical reasons already exists, but should not be covered for any other reason.
i do not believe viagra provides any other medical conditions, besides the obvious, and it should not be covered.

I had no problem with rush's comments, if you listened to the whole show, you would realize those statements were out of context, like stated above.

he is a shock jock what would you expect?

I'm not sure how ED wouldn't be considered a medical condition. I assume that most people effected are older and that's a product of getting older for the most part, but so are a lot of other things. I'm not expert or doctor but I would assume that anything that you body once did but no longer did that is a negative would be considered a medical condition.

Star_Cards
03-08-2012, 11:37 AM
Wow. You're talking about limiting a person's right to freely exercise their religion. Nobody has a right to work for a particular employer. If you don't meet their criteria, get a job somewhere else.

it's not limiting a persons right to exercise their religion. an individual is free to exercise their religion even if something is made available to them. offering someone a service doesn't make them use that service. My insurance plan offers a lot of things that I do not take part in. not taking part in the birth control would still be up to the person.

Every person that works at, say, a catholic hospital is not catholic and not every catholic believes that they can't use birth control? I think my biggest deal with this is people trying to say that a business that happens to be affiliated with a religious belief is the same thing as a church. a catholic hospital might be affiliated with a religion but it is still a business isn't it?

People act like the government is trying to force people to take birth control if they don't want to. Not the case at all.

Star_Cards
03-08-2012, 11:39 AM
It amazes me that people have no problem with what Rush says because, afterall, he is a shock jock. What about the person being talked about? Just because you have the RIGHT to say whatever the heck you want, that doesn't mean it is RIGHT to say it.

I agree. even though I said he has the right to call that woman a prostitute or a doesn't mean he should have.

boba
03-08-2012, 01:14 PM
Am I the only one who sees the double standard? Where was the outrage when Bill Mahr called Sarah Palin a b****? Or Condalisa Rice the n word?

pghin08
03-08-2012, 01:15 PM
Am I the only one who sees the double standard? Where was the outrage when Bill Mahr called Sarah Palin a b****? Or Condalisa Rice the n word?

Bill Maher isn't as popular as Rush Limbaugh.

boba
03-08-2012, 01:17 PM
Bill Maher isn't as popular as Rush Limbaugh.

So because he isn't as popular means Obama can except $ from him?

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 01:18 PM
Bill Maher isn't as popular as Rush Limbaugh.

you can't really think that is the reason. none of those who have expressed "outrage" at rush cared in the least when maher did the same. i think if maher can contribute a million bucks to obama he is pretty well known in the political sphere. No one cared because the majority of the current outrage isn't because they care what was said, it is because they care who said it.

boba
03-08-2012, 01:21 PM
you can't really think that is the reason. none of those who have expressed "outrage" at rush cared in the least when maher did the same. i think if maher can contribute a million bucks to obama he is pretty well known in the political sphere. No one cared because the majority of the current outrage isn't because they care what was said, it is because they care who said it.

And because they want to create a war between the GOB and women that doesn't exist.

CollectorsEXPO
03-08-2012, 01:25 PM
Bill Maher is a comedian, Rush is not.
There are people who listen to Rush who consider him to be a news source.

boba
03-08-2012, 01:29 PM
Bill Maher is a comedian, Rush is not.
There are people who listen to Rush who consider him to be a news source.

Rush is entertainment, not news.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 01:33 PM
There are people who listen to Rush who consider him to be a news source.


Those people need a lot of help. :sign0020:

pghin08
03-08-2012, 01:41 PM
you can't really think that is the reason. none of those who have expressed "outrage" at rush cared in the least when maher did the same. i think if maher can contribute a million bucks to obama he is pretty well known in the political sphere. No one cared because the majority of the current outrage isn't because they care what was said, it is because they care who said it.

That's exactly my point. Bill Maher is relatively inconsequential. Rush Limbaugh is not.

The media will ALWAYS have a bias towards what makes them money. If more people care about Rush Limbaugh than Bill Maher, you'll hear more about him on the news (they want ratings), more about him in the papers (they want revenue).

boba
03-08-2012, 01:45 PM
That's exactly my point. Bill Maher is relatively inconsequential. Rush Limbaugh is not.

The media will ALWAYS have a bias towards what makes them money. If more people care about Rush Limbaugh than Bill Maher, you'll hear more about him on the news (they want ratings), more about him in the papers (they want revenue).

If that was true then they would all start having a conservative slant like fox. And we all know thats not true.

AUTaxMan
03-08-2012, 01:48 PM
Bill Maher is a comedian, Rush is not.
There are people who listen to Rush who consider him to be a news source.

Bill Maher and Jon Stewart hide behind the curtain of being a comedian when it is convenient for them, but they otherwise demand that their political opinions be taken seriously. You can't have it both ways.

pghin08
03-08-2012, 01:50 PM
If that was true then they would all start having a conservative slant like fox. And we all know thats not true.

I don't think so at all. Money has nothing to do with partisanship. The media makes money by turning issues into crises. They want you to care about what they're telling you, that way you continue to consume.

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 01:55 PM
bill maher and jon stewart hide behind the curtain of being a comedian when it is convenient for them, but they otherwise demand that their political opinions be taken seriously. You can't have it both ways.

+1

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 01:57 PM
That's exactly my point. Bill Maher is relatively inconsequential. Rush Limbaugh is not.

The media will ALWAYS have a bias towards what makes them money. If more people care about Rush Limbaugh than Bill Maher, you'll hear more about him on the news (they want ratings), more about him in the papers (they want revenue).

problem is we aren't talking about the fact that "more" people have cared about what rush said then maher. We are talking about the fact that nearly none of the people who are speaking out against rush cared when maher did it. If outrage is tied to political party, then for me your outrage is suspect and unbelievable.

pghin08
03-08-2012, 02:08 PM
Bill Maher and Jon Stewart hide behind the curtain of being a comedian when it is convenient for them, but they otherwise demand that their political opinions be taken seriously. You can't have it both ways.

No way should Bill Maher and Jon Stewart be lumped together. Maher is a shock jock, and Stewart is a satirist. And if you ever watched Stewart's show, you KNOW he doesn't care if you take him seriously. He doesn't even take himself seriously.

pghin08
03-08-2012, 02:14 PM
problem is we aren't talking about the fact that "more" people have cared about what rush said then maher. We are talking about the fact that nearly none of the people who are speaking out against rush cared when maher did it. If outrage is tied to political party, then for me your outrage is suspect and unbelievable.

I totally agree. If it's wrong for a Democrat to do it, it's wrong for a Republican to do it. My point was that the reason Rush's comments were more heavily covered by the media not because it has a liberal bias, but because it has a bias towards higher ratings.

shrewsbury
03-08-2012, 02:40 PM
rush says what he says for ratings and publicity.
even the people that hate him can't stop talking about him.
if he would reword his stuff nicely then no one would talk about him.

the funny thing is there is no proof anyone threatened to drop him, in fact he has new sponsers since then.

CollectorsEXPO
03-08-2012, 02:44 PM
Rush made up stuff about a student who is not normally a public celebrity and called her a name.
Maher called a public persona (Palin) a name.
Big difference to me.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 02:50 PM
Rush made up stuff about a student who is not normally a public celebrity and called her a name.
Maher called a public persona (Palin) a name.
Big difference to me.


Exactly if Sara Palin who is a career politician cannot take someone calling her a name then she has no business in politics. However Sandra Fluke is a young student who did not asked to be publically degraded by a bigoted, hate mongering monster like Rush Limbaugh. How would Rush like it is some called his mother, sister, daughter, wife, etc degrading names like he did to this young lady?

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 02:51 PM
Exactly if Sara Palin who is a career politician cannot take someone calling her a name then she has no business in politics. However Sandra Fluke is a young student who did not asked to be publically degraded by a bigoted, hate mongering monster like Rush Limbaugh.

so if you are a politician you are asking to be publically degraded by a bigoted, hate mongering monster like bill maher?

pghin08
03-08-2012, 02:52 PM
I've gotta disagree here. Just because Sarah Palin is a politician doesn't mean she deserves to have Bill Maher say what he said about her. Maher did it for shock value just like Rush did. If what Rush said was hate-mongoring, then so was what Maher said.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 02:52 PM
so if you are a politician you are asking to be publically degraded by a bigoted, hate mongering monster like bill maher?


No one asks to be publically degraded but Palin's skin should be thick enough to handle a little name calling.

pghin08
03-08-2012, 02:59 PM
No one asks to be publically degraded but Palin's skin should be thick enough to handle a little name calling.

What Maher said was not only derogatory, but downright offensive. Say what you want about Palin's political beliefs, but they don't make her a bad person, and definitely don't make her what Bill Maher called her.

CollectorsEXPO
03-08-2012, 03:10 PM
But Maher didn't make up things about Palin as Rush did about Fluke.

boba
03-08-2012, 03:13 PM
But Maher didn't make up things about Palin as Rush did about Fluke.


So you think Palin is a female dog? haha I don't get your point.

And Rush didn't make stuff up about Fluke.

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 03:15 PM
No one asks to be publically degraded but Palin's skin should be thick enough to handle a little name calling.

palin isn't the one complaining. The issue at hand is the level of "outrage" by liberals at rush when they didn't care if maher said it about palin.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 03:24 PM
palin isn't the one complaining. The issue at hand is the level of "outrage" by liberals at rush when they didn't care if maher said it about palin.


Exactly so if Palin isn't complaining about Bill Mahr why bring either one of them into this conversation? This is about that monster rush limbaugh insulting an innocent young college girl. You always complain that I bring bush into every conversation for no reason so I say to you there is no reason to say Bill Mahr did it too.

Star_Cards
03-08-2012, 03:26 PM
rush says what he says for ratings and publicity.
even the people that hate him can't stop talking about him.
if he would reword his stuff nicely then no one would talk about him.

the funny thing is there is no proof anyone threatened to drop him, in fact he has new sponsers since then.

interesting. I heard that it was reported that 11 sponsors dropped him. It's ironic because in the long run his ratings will probably jump. People that like him but didn't listen much might start listening again and people who hate him may start listening to see what else he says.

makes me think of a quote from howard sterns movie that basically said that the average fan listened to him 30 minutes and the people who hated him listened 2 hours.

Star_Cards
03-08-2012, 03:29 PM
Exactly if Sara Palin who is a career politician cannot take someone calling her a name then she has no business in politics. However Sandra Fluke is a young student who did not asked to be publically degraded by a bigoted, hate mongering monster like Rush Limbaugh. How would Rush like it is some called his mother, sister, daughter, wife, etc degrading names like he did to this young lady?

I can see a difference between a normal citizen being attacked and another talk show celeb being attacked, but I don't think Palin asked to be attacked or degraded. although I have no idea what was said about palin as far as what you are referencing.

also, Palin is hardly a career politician. :)

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 03:29 PM
Exactly so if Palin isn't complaining about Bill Mahr why bring either one of them into this conversation. This is about that monster rush limbaugh insulting an innocent young college girl. You always complain that I bring bush into every conversation for no reason so I say to you there is no reason to say Bill Mahr did it too.

because the maher/palin issue is relevant to this conversation. people who knew of maher's statement and did not care (or at least did not say anything publicly) are now making public statements as though they care what rush said. I would say that is clear evidence that their outrage is fabricated and fake.
For example, i don't remember you starting a thread and calling maher a monster. Because, in your world, there is always some excuse when someone on the left does the exact same thing as someone on the right. In this case you apparently think it ok to call a female politician any number of crude and insulting things because she is a politician.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 03:32 PM
I can see a difference between a normal citizen being attacked and another talk show celeb being attacked, but I don't think Palin asked to be attacked or degraded. although I have no idea what was said about palin as far as what you are referencing.

also, Palin is hardly a career politician. :)


I have no idea about what Mahr said about Palin or even if really did say what he was accused of saying about her. I'm responding to what some other guy on here claimed that Mahr said. :confused0024:

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 03:36 PM
because the maher/palin issue is relevant to this conversation. people who knew of maher's statement and did not care (or at least did not say anything publicly) are now making public statements as though they care what rush said. I would say that is clear evidence that their outrage is fabricated and fake.
For example, i don't remember you starting a thread and calling maher a monster. Because, in your world, there is always some excuse when someone on the left does the exact same thing as someone on the right. In this case you apparently think it ok to call a female politician any number of crude and insulting things because she is a politician.

I don't advocate calling any female out of her name but thanks for putting words in my mouth like ya'll like to do. Secondly to be perfectly honest I do listen to Bill Mahr for time to time but I have not heard anything about him calling Palin a female dog until now. So do you want to blame the so called liberal Obama loving media for not making Mahr's remarks into the biggest news story since the royal wedding or Kim Kardashian's latest marriage and divorce?

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 03:40 PM
I don't advocate calling any female out of her name but thanks for putting words in my mouth like ya'll like to do. Secondly to be perfectly honest I do listen to Bill Mahr for time to time but I have not heard anything about him calling Palin a female dog until now. So do you want to blame the so called liberal Obama loving media for not making Mahr's remarks into the biggest news story since the royal wedding or Kim Kardashian's latest marriage and divorce?

i didn't say you advocated calling females names. i said you think it is acceptable if done to a politician. you said on numerous cases that palin should have thick enough skin to handle a little comment.

my stance is that no female should be called that, and if a public person does so, there should be outrage on both sides. But if palin is called names, you want to focus more on how thick of skin palin has then being willing to speak out against it.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 03:47 PM
i didn't say you advocated calling females names. i said you think it is acceptable if done to a politician. you said on numerous cases that palin should have thick enough skin to handle a little comment.

my stance is that no female should be called that, and if a public person does so, there should be outrage on both sides. But if palin is called names, you want to focus more on how thick of skin palin has then being willing to speak out against it.

If Mahr did indeed call Palin what he was accused of it was in poor taste. However that in no way minimizes from what that piece of trash limbaugh said about that young girl who did not deserve it in the least. Also since you like to bring other people in the discussions people have called president obama much worse and I don't see you publically admonishing any of them.

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 03:49 PM
bill maher has repeatedly called sarah palin a c*** and other 4 letter words and says he can say what he wants because he is on hbo and doesn't have sponsors

ed schultz called laura ingram a talk s***

david letterman said palin looked like a S*** flight attendant


i am not defending rush. i am asking where all of the outrage was? Why wasn't Obama speaking out against this type of speech when it was done by people who support him?

CollectorsEXPO
03-08-2012, 03:49 PM
So you think Palin is a female dog? haha I don't get your point.
As I stated in my previous post, Maher called Palin a name, he didn't make up something about Palin. My opinion of Palin is not relevant.



And Rush didn't make stuff up about Fluke.
I think he did.
Rush alleged that Fluke was "having so much sex she can't afford her own birth control pills".
Ms. Fluke never mentioned her sex life in her testimony. Not once.

I understand that you are not going to see things other than your way, I am the same.
But the facts are out there.

boba
03-08-2012, 03:50 PM
If Mahr did indeed call Palin what he was accused of it was in poor taste. However that in no way minimizes from what that piece of trash limbaugh said about that young girl who did not deserve it in the least.


He said it on his show man. No one is accusing him of it.

pghin08
03-08-2012, 03:50 PM
i didn't say you advocated calling females names. i said you think it is acceptable if done to a politician. you said on numerous cases that palin should have thick enough skin to handle a little comment.

my stance is that no female should be called that, and if a public person does so, there should be outrage on both sides. But if palin is called names, you want to focus more on how thick of skin palin has then being willing to speak out against it.

And actually, Maher called Palin a FAR more derogatory term than the one being mentioned.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 03:50 PM
bill maher has repeatedly called sarah palin a c*** and other 4 letter words and says he can say what he wants because he is on hbo and doesn't have sponsors

ed schultz called laura ingram a talk s***

david letterman said palin looked like a S*** flight attendant


i am not defending rush. i am asking where all of the outrage was? Why wasn't Obama speaking out against this type of speech when it was done by people who support him?


I'm not familiar with any of these occurances so I can't give an opinion. You may want to ask President Obama himself since he alone controls the media. :sign0020:

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 03:51 PM
If Mahr did indeed call Palin what he was accused of it was in poor taste. However that in no way minimizes from what that piece of trash limbaugh said about that young girl who did not deserve it in the least. Also since you like to bring other people in the discussions people have called president obama much worse and I don't see you publically admonishing any of them.

tell you what, you show me one post here where obama was called something "Much worse" and I will gladly speak out against it.

just wondering, what things qualify to you as much worse?

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 03:52 PM
I'm not familiar with any of these occurances so I can't give an opinion. You may want to ask President Obama himself since he alone controls the media. :sign0020:

ahh, get presented with actual evidence and an actual question and how do we respond? we make a joke so we don't have to respond. smh

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 03:55 PM
tell you what, you show me one post here where obama was called something "Much worse" and I will gladly speak out against it.

just wondering, what things qualify to you as much worse?

We are not allowed to post that kind of stuff on SCF. And besides I might catch a virus on my computer if I go on any of those sites that post all of that Obama hate.

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 03:56 PM
We are not allowed to post that kind of stuff on SCF. And besides I might catch a virus on my computer if I go on any of those sites that post all of that Obama hate.

according to you, much worse has been said about obama on here. feel free to show me where.

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 03:58 PM
veggie- so far, you have called limbaugh a monster and a piece of trash. however you don't seem able to even say maher was wrong. All you can muster up is that what maher said was in poor taste. Do you not even see the bias inside of you. Limbaugh says it, he is a monster and a piece of trash. maher says something much worse and much more derogatory and he spoke in poor taste. come on

CollectorsEXPO
03-08-2012, 04:04 PM
veggie- so far, you have called limbaugh a monster and a piece of trash. however you don't seem able to even say maher was wrong. All you can muster up is that what maher said was in poor taste. Do you not even see the bias inside of you. Limbaugh says it, he is a monster and a piece of trash. maher says something much worse and much more derogatory and he spoke in poor taste. come on

Can you provide a clip or link to what Maher said?
I'm not a watcher of his show, so I am in the dark, as well, as to what he said.
I can only go on the information that has been provided in this thread.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 04:05 PM
veggie- so far, you have called limbaugh a monster and a piece of trash. however you don't seem able to even say maher was wrong. All you can muster up is that what maher said was in poor taste. Do you not even see the bias inside of you. Limbaugh says it, he is a monster and a piece of trash. maher says something much worse and much more derogatory and he spoke in poor taste. come on


Again no woman should be called out of her name but being in the public light such as a politician it goes with the territory. I would be willing to bet that she has even been called worse that what ya'll say Mahr said about her. However Limbaugh must feel like a real man picking on an innocent little college girl. I guarantee that Rush would never step to a man and call him out of his name like that. There is a word for men who like to pick on defenseless women. It's call coward.

pghin08
03-08-2012, 04:09 PM
Can you provide a clip or link to what Maher said?
I'm not a watcher of his show, so I am in the dark, as well, as to what he said.
I can only go on the information that has been provided in this thread.

Can't do it, too foul to be on SCF. A youtube search will probably give you what you're looking for.

AUTaxMan
03-08-2012, 04:09 PM
Rush made up stuff about a student who is not normally a public celebrity and called her a name.
Maher called a public persona (Palin) a name.
Big difference to me.

Rush didn't make anything up. He just chose to use insulting verbiage that he should not have used. Fluke became a public figure when she volunteered to go in front of Congress to make her asinine argument.

AUTaxMan
03-08-2012, 04:14 PM
As I stated in my previous post, Maher called Palin a name, he didn't make up something about Palin. My opinion of Palin is not relevant.


I think he did.
Rush alleged that Fluke was "having so much sex she can't afford her own birth control pills".
Ms. Fluke never mentioned her sex life in her testimony. Not once.

I understand that you are not going to see things other than your way, I am the same.
But the facts are out there.

Rush did not allege those things. He stated that, based on her comments, logic would lead one to conclude that because birth control is so inexpensive, one would have to have an inordinate amount of sex to render the cost unaffordable.

ensbergcollector
03-08-2012, 04:31 PM
Again no woman should be called out of her name but being in the public light such as a politician it goes with the territory. I would be willing to bet that she has even been called worse that what ya'll say Mahr said about her. However Limbaugh must feel like a real man picking on an innocent little college girl. I guarantee that Rush would never step to a man and call him out of his name like that. There is a word for men who like to pick on defenseless women. It's call coward.

just can't do it can you? rush is a coward, monster, piece of trash, and maher just said what goes with the territory. gotcha.

pghin08
03-08-2012, 04:35 PM
I think Rush Limbaugh and Bill Maher both suck.

shrewsbury
03-08-2012, 04:40 PM
innocent college girl?

$3k a year on bc and your innocent?

she even stated that her and her classmates like to have sex often.

not so innocent to me

CollectorsEXPO
03-08-2012, 04:47 PM
innocent college girl?

$3k a year on bc and your innocent?

she even stated that her and her classmates like to have sex often.

not so innocent to me

Where was this stated?

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 04:49 PM
innocent college girl?

$3k a year on bc and your innocent?

she even stated that her and her classmates like to have sex often.

not so innocent to me


So a woman engaging in a normal adult activity such as sex which I would be willing to bet most people on this site have engaged in at least one time in the lives and the majority actually enjoy often, that justifies a hate mongering coward like rush to call her out of her name? Thanks for letting us know what the game is all about.

CollectorsEXPO
03-08-2012, 04:57 PM
Rush did not allege those things. He stated that, based on her comments, logic would lead one to conclude that because birth control is so inexpensive, one would have to have an inordinate amount of sex to render the cost unaffordable.

I can't find a transcript where Rush said that, I will take your word on it.
You've convinced me, Rush is a bastion of truth and virtue.

shrewsbury
03-08-2012, 05:06 PM
not on camera for all to see

you do realize she is 30, not a typical college student and she also wants us to pay for gender reassignment as well as BC.

and again, bc is covered by health insurance if it is used for medical reasons.

if insurance should pay for anything else besides health issues, nose jobs, breast enlargement and anything else we might want done.


With a six year hiatus between her undergraduate time and GT Law, Fluke is probably closer to 30. And she’s had plenty of involvement with the pro-contraception agenda. A Feminist, Gender, & Sexuality Studies major at Cornell, Fluke is also a past president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice. While she’s presented herself in persona a woman suffering because of Georgetown’s policies, it’s more likely that Fluke has had her sights set on the school for quite a while.

mrveggieman
03-08-2012, 05:10 PM
and again, bc is covered by health insurance if it is used for medical reasons.




Last time that I checked birth control is ONLY used for medical reasons. If there are any other reasons that birth control are used for please let us know.

shrewsbury
03-08-2012, 05:12 PM
So a woman engaging in a normal adult activity such as sex which I would be willing to bet most people on this site have engaged in at least one time in the lives and the majority actually enjoy often, that justifies a hate mongering coward like rush to call her out of her name?

read the post before, and i have never asked anyone to pay for me to have sex, nor would I.

hate monger? funny coming from a site that posts nonstop negative stuff about anyone who disagrees and anyone you don't like.

oh, and welcome to the 21st century!

and i love the comment about rush would never call a man out, why you big tough guys going to beat him up?

shrewsbury
03-08-2012, 05:14 PM
controlling birth has nothing to do with medicine. you can do that with the simple idea of not having sex unless you are willing to get pregnant.
bc can be used to help with systs, acne, and depression.

boba
03-08-2012, 05:31 PM
Last time that I checked birth control is ONLY used for medical reasons. If there are any other reasons that birth control are used for please let us know.


I love when people act like pregnancy is a disease.

Sickening.

Star_Cards
03-08-2012, 05:39 PM
innocent college girl?

$3k a year on bc and your innocent?

she even stated that her and her classmates like to have sex often.

not so innocent to me

who doesn't like to have sex often? as for cost I have no idea what BC for women costs. I remember hearing a friend mention that she needed a type that wasn't covered by work and it was around $120 a month I thought without an insurance coverage. Seems like I'd just go the condom route alone if that was the monthly cost.

Star_Cards
03-08-2012, 05:41 PM
I love when people act like pregnancy is a disease.

Sickening.

I doubt he was saying pregnancy was like a disease. I think he's saying that it is in the medical realm. Medical conditions don't always have to be a disease does it?

INTIMADATOR2007
03-08-2012, 08:24 PM
I'm not familiar with any of these occurances so I can't give an opinion. You may want to ask President Obama himself since he alone controls the media. :sign0020:

You should change your source of Information , There are very good resources out there other than the places you visit that will give you the truth about a bunch of stuff going on .

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 09:08 AM
You should change your source of Information , There are very good resources out there other than the places you visit that will give you the truth about a bunch of stuff going on .


Sure I'll try sources like the drudge report and the blaze. They are well known for their honest, objective and unbiased information. :loco:

AUTaxMan
03-09-2012, 10:39 AM
Sure I'll try sources like the drudge report and the blaze. They are well know for their honest, objective and unbiased information. :loco:

I would say those two are as objective as anything out there. Drudge's headlines can be outrageously right, but its content is pretty much down the middle. The Blaze is more right-leaning in terms of content, but it's not like they are just making stuff up. You will find a lot of actual news there and a lot of stories that you would not otherwise find.

pghin08
03-09-2012, 11:36 AM
I would say those two are as objective as anything out there. Drudge's headlines can be outrageously right, but its content is pretty much down the middle. The Blaze is more right-leaning in terms of content, but it's not like they are just making stuff up. You will find a lot of actual news there and a lot of stories that you would not otherwise find.

So how do you feel about the Huffington Post then? Just radical leftists making stuff up to fit their eventual socialist takeover of the US?

AUTaxMan
03-09-2012, 11:41 AM
So how do you feel about the Huffington Post then? Just radical leftists making stuff up to fit their eventual socialist takeover of the US?

I don't read it enough to have an informed opinion. I know it's left leaning, but I don't know how it handles news content. I don't think it's ever been accused of being remotely objective.

pghin08
03-09-2012, 11:46 AM
I don't read it enough to have an informed opinion. I know it's left leaning, but I don't know how it handles news content. I don't think it's ever been accused of being remotely objective.

I read HuffPo and Drudge, not so much the Blaze. Truly, HuffPo and Drudge cancel each other out. They are basically mirror images, just pushing different agendas. That's pretty much why you'll never see me quote either of them, I put no stock in them.

ensbergcollector
03-09-2012, 11:57 AM
veggie- you make me laugh. you can't complain about drudge and the blaze when you quote huffington post and islamaphobia. if one of those is allowed as credible then they all are. if one is disallowed, then they all are.

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 12:03 PM
veggie- you make me laugh. you can't complain about drudge and the blaze when you quote huffington post and islamaphobia. if one of those is allowed as credible then they all are. if one is disallowed, then they all are.


I never said any of them should be disallowed but take them with a grain of salt.

ensbergcollector
03-09-2012, 12:15 PM
I never said any of them should be disallowed but take them with a grain of salt.

you openly mock any conservative website or link and have even said in the past that you would not even take some things seriously. If someone asks you to respond, you mock the source and imply you don't have to respond because of the "bias" source. yet anything you post is to be taken as proof. at least be consistent man.

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 12:21 PM
Why Bill Maher is no rush limbaugh:

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/why-bill-maher-in-no-rush-limbaugh.php

ensbergcollector
03-09-2012, 12:24 PM
Why Bill Maher is no rush limbaugh:

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/why-bill-maher-in-no-rush-limbaugh.php

congratulations, you found an article that supports your hateful and sexist idea that because palin is in the public eye, she is allowed to be called demeaning and sexist things. guess that makes you right. smh

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 12:26 PM
congratulations, you found an article that supports your hateful and sexist idea that because palin is in the public eye, she is allowed to be called demeaning and sexist things. guess that makes you right. smh


So why would a woman write an article that ecourages sexism and demeaning women?

ensbergcollector
03-09-2012, 12:29 PM
So why would a woman write an article that ecourages sexism and demeaning women?

oh, i don't know, because people on the left think it is funny to insult palin? she has been called every derogatory and sexist name in the world and the defense is "she's a politician, she can take it."

so, are you saying that if rush said those things about mrs. obama there would be no issue?

AUTaxMan
03-09-2012, 12:32 PM
I read HuffPo and Drudge, not so much the Blaze. Truly, HuffPo and Drudge cancel each other out. They are basically mirror images, just pushing different agendas. That's pretty much why you'll never see me quote either of them, I put no stock in them.

I would recommend giving the blaze a shot.

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 12:40 PM
oh, i don't know, because people on the left think it is funny to insult palin? she has been called every derogatory and sexist name in the world and the defense is "she's a politician, she can take it."

so, are you saying that if rush said those things about mrs. obama there would be no issue?


Mrs. Obama is not a politician she is only married to one. Nice try though.

pghin08
03-09-2012, 12:55 PM
I would recommend giving the blaze a shot.

I will. It's just really hard for me to put my personal feelings about Glenn Beck aside.

I still think that the best source on US News is BBC. Being a British company, they are able to kind of sit back and look at us in a more objective manner.

ensbergcollector
03-09-2012, 12:55 PM
Mrs. Obama is not a politician she is only married to one. Nice try though.

whatever man, you sadden and sicken me so i'm out.

AUTaxMan
03-09-2012, 01:18 PM
I will. It's just really hard for me to put my personal feelings about Glenn Beck aside.

I still think that the best source on US News is BBC. Being a British company, they are able to kind of sit back and look at us in a more objective manner.

Beck's a little kooky, but if you believe that he is a good person and take him for his word (which I do), you'll see that he is trying to report truth. He routinely calls out the republicans just like he does the democrats.

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 01:34 PM
whatever man, you sadden and sicken me so i'm out.


I'm sorry to hear that. We were just starting to have fun. :kiss:

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 01:35 PM
Beck's a little kooky, but if you believe that he is a good person and take him for his word (which I do), you'll see that he is trying to report truth. He routinely calls out the republicans just like he does the democrats.


Glen Beck is a bigger comedian than Bill Maher.

pghin08
03-09-2012, 04:04 PM
Beck's a little kooky, but if you believe that he is a good person and take him for his word (which I do), you'll see that he is trying to report truth. He routinely calls out the republicans just like he does the democrats.

It's not that I don't think Beck is a good guy. I don't know him, but I always assume people are good until proven otherwise. I use to watch his show a good bit, and I he's just too in-your-face for me. Like he basically says, "I'm not going to tell you what to think. But you should think like I do."

boba
03-09-2012, 04:08 PM
Mrs. Obama is not a politician she is only married to one. Nice try though.


Aren't you the one who is always complaining about racism against Obama?

With your logic it's ok to be racist against him because hes a politician.

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 04:42 PM
Aren't you the one who is always complaining about racism against Obama?

With your logic it's ok to be racist against him because hes a politician.


What are you talking about? I never said that it's ok to be racist against anyone?

boba
03-09-2012, 04:52 PM
What are you talking about? I never said that it's ok to be racist against anyone?


Oh, ok. My bad.

Now I understand, you can't say anything racist, but you can call someone sick, profane names. Got it!

mrveggieman
03-09-2012, 05:04 PM
Oh, ok. My bad.

Now I understand, you can't say anything racist, but you can call someone sick, profane names. Got it!


If it's good enough for rush it's good enough for everyone else. :thumb:

dmj19842002
03-09-2012, 06:12 PM
Im not a republican but i am conservative, do i think Rush is a monster no but an idiot that likes to open his mouth and not think about what he is saying. To me what he said was way out of line but he had a point, should it be covered? Is it because there a religious institution they feel they shouldnt have to, to me freedom of religion goes both ways and we as the people have the right to choose how we live. Companies or institutions shouldnt be allowed to tell use how to live our life.

INTIMADATOR2007
03-09-2012, 07:43 PM
Beck's a little kooky, but if you believe that he is a good person and take him for his word (which I do), you'll see that he is trying to report truth. He routinely calls out the republicans just like he does the democrats.

Do you still have your subscription to GBTV ? I do.

AUTaxMan
03-10-2012, 12:03 AM
Do you still have your subscription to GBTV ? I do.

I do. Don't watch it every day, but when he is doing and interesting topic or interview, I tune in.