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duane1969
03-15-2012, 09:19 AM
I am being sarcastic for anyone who misses it.


“We are at the edge of such extraordinary opportunities and it is so hard to get this party to understand it,” said Gingrich, speaking in a more frustrated tone than usual. “Our political system is so methodically and deliberately stupid.”

Yeah, that is the guy I want to vote for...the one who thinks the system is stupid. I wonder if he would think it was so stupid if he didn't keep losing?

I see that he supports research for Alzheimer's Disease. That is a good thing because I think he may need some treatment for senility already.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/14/10692558-gingrich-calls-political-system-stupid-vows-to-stay-in-the-race

mrveggieman
03-15-2012, 09:23 AM
So let me ask you the million dollar question duane. You don't like newt, romney, or obama so the only one left is santorum. Surley you aren't going to vote for that knucklehead are you?

duane1969
03-15-2012, 09:38 AM
I have made no decisions on who to vote for. I was just talking to my wife last night about this and as it stands now I don't intend on voting for anyone.

habsheaven
03-15-2012, 10:18 AM
Isn't Gingrich just saying what all politicians say, "Washington's broken, I am going to change how Washington works", only with different, less effective wordage for exciting the base?

AUTaxMan
03-15-2012, 11:42 AM
I read somewhere that he honestly thinks he can get the nod in Tampa, but the only way to do it would be to sabotage Romney and cut a deal with Santorum. Nothing like good ole Washington politics. Oh wait, I thought Newt has been describing himself as wanting to change the way Washington works.

pghin08
03-15-2012, 11:48 AM
I can't believe we're still even talking about Gingrich. Everybody pretty much hates Gingrich.

duane1969
03-15-2012, 12:24 PM
I can't believe we're still even talking about Gingrich. Everybody pretty much hates Gingrich.

He is like a pimple on the butt of the GOP.

If he would do the right thing and drop out then we could get a clearer picture of what is going on between Romney and Santorum. Same thing for Paul.

mrveggieman
03-15-2012, 12:54 PM
He is like a pimple on the butt of the GOP.

If he would do the right thing and drop out then we could get a clearer picture of what is going on between Romney and Santorum. Same thing for Paul.


Ron Paul is actually the best the republicans have to offer even though the will not vote for him because he goes against everything that they stand for.

pghin08
03-15-2012, 01:42 PM
Ron Paul is actually the best the republicans have to offer even though the will not vote for him because he goes against everything that they stand for.

I don't mind Ron Paul, though some things about him spook me a bit (isolationism? is this 1940?). The guy I would love to see in the mix on the Republican side is Paul Ryan. I know he's young, but he seems to have a grasp on our financial situation that is unrivaled on either side of the aisle.

Talk about someone who would be a dynamite VP candidate.

AUTaxMan
03-15-2012, 01:53 PM
I don't mind Ron Paul, though some things about him spook me a bit (isolationism? is this 1940?). The guy I would love to see in the mix on the Republican side is Paul Ryan. I know he's young, but he seems to have a grasp on our financial situation that is unrivaled on either side of the aisle.

Talk about someone who would be a dynamite VP candidate.

Ron Paul would be better suited as Secretary of the Treasury than the VP. I like Ryan a lot. Mitch Daniels too. The perfect VP imo would be Christie.

duwal
03-15-2012, 02:25 PM
yeah Newt so far looks to be the only one that I would vote for over conceding my vote to Obama

duane1969
03-16-2012, 11:28 AM
Ron Paul is actually the best the republicans have to offer even though the will not vote for him because he goes against everything that they stand for.

Ron Paul has a lot of good ideas but a lot of nutty ones as well.

As Kurt already pointed out, he is an isolationist. I am all for taking care of our own problems but we can not just draw into our shell and let the world go on around us without any regard to how it affects us.

He is so supportive of internet freedom that he even voted against legislation that helps catch online predators. He also voted against legislation that requires reporting of the transfer of child porn over the internet.

He supports trial juries being able to judge the legality of the law. So not only could a jury decide a criminal's fate, they could also decide that the law was unfair or entirely incorrect and impact judical outcomes all over our country.

In his book "Freedom Under Seige" he said that anyone who is dealing with sexual harrassment at work should deal with it by quitting their job.

He believes that the Fed should not be in the education business. He considers public school to be socialist. Instead he supports parochial and private schools and home schooling. He does not believe that access to a secondary education is a right and because of that he is against Federal grants and loans for college.

He supports severely cutting funding to the FDA and CDC. He opposes strict licensing requirements for doctors.

You should like this...he opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and opposes affirmative action for college admission.

So, since those evil Republicans don't like him because he "goes against everything that they stand for" does that mean that you suport everything that he stands for?

mrveggieman
03-16-2012, 11:33 AM
Ron Paul has a lot of good ideas but a lot of nutty ones as well.

As Kurt already pointed out, he is an isolationist. I am all for taking care of our own problems but we can not just draw into our shell and let the world go on around us without any regard to how it affects us.

He is so supportive of internet freedom that he even voted against legislation that helps catch online predators. He also voted against legislation that requires reporting of the transfer of child porn over the internet.

He supports trial juries being able to judge the legality of the law. So not only could a jury decide a criminal's fate, they could also decide that the law was unfair or entirely incorrect and impact judical outcomes all over our country.

In his book "Freedom Under Seige" he said that anyone who is dealing with sexual harrassment at work should deal with it by quitting their job.

He believes that the Fed should not be in the education business. He considers public school to be socialist. Instead he supports parochial and private schools and home schooling. He does not believe that access to a secondary education is a right and because of that he is against Federal grants and loans for college.

He supports severely cutting funding to the FDA and CDC. He opposes strict licensing requirements for doctors.

You should like this...he opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and opposes affirmative action for college admission.

So, since those evil Republicans don't like him because he "goes against everything that they stand for" does that mean that you suport everything that he stands for?


I learn something new everyday. Im sure that if newt had his way there would have not been a voting rights act or a civil rights act. But that being said that is why I will continue to support president obama over any of these republiclowns.

AUTaxMan
03-16-2012, 12:35 PM
I learn something new everyday. Im sure that if newt had his way there would have not been a voting rights act or a civil rights act. But that being said that is why I will continue to support president obama over any of these republiclowns.

How are you "sure" of that? Republicans supported both bills in higher percentages than democrats.

mrveggieman
03-16-2012, 12:47 PM
How are you "sure" of that? Republicans supported both bills in higher percentages than democrats.


That may have been true in 1965 but not in 2012.

AUTaxMan
03-16-2012, 01:10 PM
What facts do you have to support that argument?

duane1969
03-16-2012, 08:19 PM
What facts do you have to support that argument?

None. Liberal propaganda paints the Republican party as a racist party and hopes that the minorities will be oblivious to the fact that it was the Republicans who overwhelmingly supported equal rights and a Republican president who used the military to force desegregation of schools in Arkansas against the will of a Democratic governor.

Unfortunately they are so busy being brainwashed by liberal propaganda and thier own desire to hate someone for their oppresion that they fall right in line and support the party that fought the most to keep them from having rights.

Isn't it ironic? Blacks overwhelmingly support the Democratic party yet if the Democrats had gotten their way 40 years ago the way they do now, blacks would still be riding in the back of the bus, drinking from different fountains and wondering what it is like to vote.

INTIMADATOR2007
03-16-2012, 09:20 PM
None. Liberal propaganda paints the Republican party as a racist party and hopes that the minorities will be oblivious to the fact that it was the Republicans who overwhelmingly supported equal rights and a Republican president who used the military to force desegregation of schools in Arkansas against the will of a Democratic governor.

Unfortunately they are so busy being brainwashed by liberal propaganda and thier own desire to hate someone for their oppresion that they fall right in line and support the party that fought the most to keep them from having rights.

Isn't it ironic? Blacks overwhelmingly support the Democratic party yet if the Democrats had gotten their way 40 years ago the way they do now, blacks would still be riding in the back of the bus, drinking from different fountains and wondering what it is like to vote.

In honor of Mr. Veggieman , I give you a CHURCH !

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 08:03 AM
None. Liberal propaganda paints the Republican party as a racist party and hopes that the minorities will be oblivious to the fact that it was the Republicans who overwhelmingly supported equal rights and a Republican president who used the military to force desegregation of schools in Arkansas against the will of a Democratic governor.

Unfortunately they are so busy being brainwashed by liberal propaganda and thier own desire to hate someone for their oppresion that they fall right in line and support the party that fought the most to keep them from having rights.

Isn't it ironic? Blacks overwhelmingly support the Democratic party yet if the Democrats had gotten their way 40 years ago the way they do now, blacks would still be riding in the back of the bus, drinking from different fountains and wondering what it is like to vote.


Once again to all of my conservative/republican/right wing/tea party/etc friends on here, I would like to invite you to please leave 1965 and join the rest of us in 2012. Thanks.

pghin08
03-19-2012, 08:53 AM
None. Liberal propaganda paints the Republican party as a racist party and hopes that the minorities will be oblivious to the fact that it was the Republicans who overwhelmingly supported equal rights and a Republican president who used the military to force desegregation of schools in Arkansas against the will of a Democratic governor.

Unfortunately they are so busy being brainwashed by liberal propaganda and thier own desire to hate someone for their oppresion that they fall right in line and support the party that fought the most to keep them from having rights.

Isn't it ironic? Blacks overwhelmingly support the Democratic party yet if the Democrats had gotten their way 40 years ago the way they do now, blacks would still be riding in the back of the bus, drinking from different fountains and wondering what it is like to vote.

Wait, what?

shrewsbury
03-19-2012, 10:38 AM
Once again to all of my conservative/republican/right wing/tea party/etc friends on here, I would like to invite you to please leave 1965 and join the rest of us in 2012.

That's funny!
in fact most often you can only come up with this, because you have NO FACTS to back up anything. but i guess you live in 2012, but the 3rd dimension.

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 10:56 AM
That's funny!
in fact most often you can only come up with this, because you have NO FACTS to back up anything. but i guess you live in 2012, but the 3rd dimension.


That's real funny. All you republicans can say is we were the ones who freed the slaves, passed the voting rights acts, helped to end desegration, etc. Don't get me wrong I do appreciate the politicians of the past who signed off on those laws but none of the current republicans give a damn about me, anyone who looks like me or anyone else for that matter other than themselves. If you have proof otherwise I'm going to call you out there to provide.

AUTaxMan
03-19-2012, 11:13 AM
Don't get me wrong I do appreciate the politicians of the past who signed off on those laws but none of the current republicans give a damn about me, anyone who looks like me or anyone else for that matter other than themselves. If you have proof otherwise I'm going to call you out there to provide.

Pure conjecture, as usual. The Republicans are trying to make man more self-reliant and less dependent upon the government. That means they are trying to give you MORE freedom. I would consider that proof that they are looking out for you.

shrewsbury
03-19-2012, 11:47 AM
I agree and disagree with you (surprise, surprise!)

the last time i checked, no matter what color of skin you have, being employed should be important, and that is what the republicans are trying to do, create an economy that will stimulate job growth.

giving extensions of unemployment benefits and welfare is not creating jobs, but creating an enviroment that enables people of all colors not to work, i have seen this first hand.

racial seperation does still exists, but on all sides, not just one.

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 11:54 AM
Pure conjecture, as usual. The Republicans are trying to make man more self-reliant and less dependent upon the government. That means they are trying to give you MORE freedom. I would consider that proof that they are looking out for you.


How can republicans giving more freedom when they want to take away the right for a woman to have access to birth control which would inturn prevent abortions? Also your boy Rick Santorum wants to take away a consenting adults right to watch porn. Freedom, give me a break. If that is what you republicans call fredom I might as well go register democratic right now.

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 11:55 AM
I agree and disagree with you (surprise, surprise!)

the last time i checked, no matter what color of skin you have, being employed should be important, and that is what the republicans are trying to do, create an economy that will stimulate job growth.

giving extensions of unemployment benefits and welfare is not creating jobs, but creating an enviroment that enables people of all colors not to work, i have seen this first hand.

racial seperation does still exists, but on all sides, not just one.

Jobs are important and if you cut people off unemployment who cannot find jobs through no fault of their own those people will not be able to buy goods and services which in turn will hurt business which inturn will lead to more layoffs and unemployment.

AUTaxMan
03-19-2012, 01:41 PM
How can republicans giving more freedom when they want to take away the right for a woman to have access to birth control which would inturn prevent abortions? Also your boy Rick Santorum wants to take away a consenting adults right to watch porn. Freedom, give me a break. If that is what you republicans call fredom I might as well go register democratic right now.

We all have access to birth control. Go to Walmart and you can buy it for $9 a month.

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 01:47 PM
We all have access to birth control. Go to Walmart and you can buy it for $9 a month.


That's not the point. Why are republicans so busy sticking their noses on people's bedrooms? They talk in one hand about more freedoms and less gov't interference the next minute they want to control what people do in the privacy and comfort of their own bedrooms. The devil does indeed speak with a split tounge.

pghin08
03-19-2012, 01:55 PM
We all have access to birth control. Go to Walmart and you can buy it for $9 a month.

That's probably where Manny Ramirez got his.

AUTaxMan
03-19-2012, 02:43 PM
That's not the point. Why are republicans so busy sticking their noses on people's bedrooms? They talk in one hand about more freedoms and less gov't interference the next minute they want to control what people do in the privacy and comfort of their own bedrooms. The devil does indeed speak with a split tounge.

This issue is not about sticking one's nose in another's bedroom. It is about the government forcing religious organizations to offer insurance which provides a service that goes against their religious teachings. Should the Catholic church be required to carry insurance for its employees that pays for abortions too? It is the SAME issue.

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 02:52 PM
This issue is not about sticking one's nose in another's bedroom. It is about the government forcing religious organizations to offer insurance which provides a service that goes against their religious teachings. Should the Catholic church be required to carry insurance for its employees that pays for abortions too? It is the SAME issue.


So the catholic church or any other religious entity is above the law and entitled to exemptions?

shrewsbury
03-19-2012, 02:53 PM
what law?

AUTaxMan
03-19-2012, 02:56 PM
So the catholic church or any other religious entity is above the law and entitled to exemptions?

Which law would that be? ObamaCare? Yes, I would say that the right of freedom of expression of one's religion outweighs one's "right" to contraception as granted by the Congress through ObamaCare. The Supreme Court will agree.

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 03:01 PM
Which law would that be?

The first amendment since the gov't is giving churches special treatments that are not offered to any other businesses based on religion.

AUTaxMan
03-19-2012, 03:18 PM
The first amendment since the gov't is giving churches special treatments that are not offered to any other businesses based on religion.

Are you saying that the church is acting like it is above the first amendment? That makes no sense.

If your point is that churches should not be treated differently from other businesses, I would say that no business should be forced by the government to provide insurance for its employees.

Are you honestly arguing that churches are no different than any other business? Churches are not businesses. They are associations of individuals who share common religious beliefs, and the beliefs of the church are the beliefs of its members. To deny the church free exercise of its religious beliefs is to deny the individual members free exercise of their religion as guaranteed by the first amendment.

mrveggieman
03-19-2012, 03:27 PM
Are you saying that the church is acting like it is above the first amendment? That makes no sense.

If your point is that churches should not be treated differently from other businesses, I would say that no business should be forced by the government to provide insurance for its employees.

Are you honestly arguing that churches are no different than any other business? Churches are not businesses. They are associations of individuals who share common religious beliefs, and the beliefs of the church are the beliefs of its members. To deny the church free exercise of its religious beliefs is to deny the individual members free exercise of their religion as guaranteed by the first amendment.


No one is denying anyone the right to worship anything. However no one should be forced to accept a particular religious belief just because that is the belief of their employer.

shrewsbury
03-19-2012, 04:41 PM
However no one should be forced to accept a particular religious belief just because that is the belief of their employer.

and we agree again??? this is getting kind of freaky now

AUTaxMan
03-19-2012, 05:14 PM
No one is denying anyone the right to worship anything. However no one should be forced to accept a particular religious belief just because that is the belief of their employer.

Nobody has a right to work for a particular employer. Should the church have to provide insurance that covers abortions for its employees?

Wickabee
03-19-2012, 06:07 PM
“We are at the edge of such extraordinary opportunities and it is so hard to get this party to understand it,” said Gingrich, speaking in a more frustrated tone than usual. “Our political system is so methodically and deliberately stupid.”I'm going to go ahead and say that's probably one of the first things he has ever said that I wholeheartedly agree with.

Edited to add:
I just read this...

Churches are not businesses.
...and all I have to say is BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA

If you really truly believe churches are not businesses I have a bridge in San Fransisco I can sell you cheap. I can point out several churches in my on town that are more often rented out for events than used for any religious purposes.

I don't blame them, the Pastors BMWs and million-dollar homes are proof it's very profitable. But I do have to laugh when anyone says churches aren't businesses. They are. So are most charities and other "not-for-profit" organizations.

Go ahead and support the Church if you so feel. Obviously you get something very important out of it. Just don't lie to yourself about what it really is.

mrveggieman
03-20-2012, 08:07 AM
i'm going to go ahead and say that's probably one of the first things he has ever said that i wholeheartedly agree with.

Edited to add:
I just read this...

...and all i have to say is baahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah aha

if you really truly believe churches are not businesses i have a bridge in san fransisco i can sell you cheap. I can point out several churches in my on town that are more often rented out for events than used for any religious purposes.

I don't blame them, the pastors bmws and million-dollar homes are proof it's very profitable. But i do have to laugh when anyone says churches aren't businesses. They are. So are most charities and other "not-for-profit" organizations.

Go ahead and support the church if you so feel. Obviously you get something very important out of it. Just don't lie to yourself about what it really is.


church!!

AUTaxMan
03-20-2012, 10:19 AM
I'm going to go ahead and say that's probably one of the first things he has ever said that I wholeheartedly agree with.

Edited to add:
I just read this...

...and all I have to say is BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA

If you really truly believe churches are not businesses I have a bridge in San Fransisco I can sell you cheap. I can point out several churches in my on town that are more often rented out for events than used for any religious purposes.

I don't blame them, the Pastors BMWs and million-dollar homes are proof it's very profitable. But I do have to laugh when anyone says churches aren't businesses. They are. So are most charities and other "not-for-profit" organizations.

Go ahead and support the Church if you so feel. Obviously you get something very important out of it. Just don't lie to yourself about what it really is.

Churches are not businesses. Just because you think that they are does not make them so. Who are all of these pastors with BMWs and million dollar homes? I would love to meet one. Sure there are a few mega-churches that probably overpay their pastors, but for the most part, pastors aren't exactly raking it in. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

shrewsbury
03-20-2012, 10:30 AM
I have never seen a pastor with a bmw or million dollar home, never, except maybe in a movie or tv, but not real life.

i can think of 11 churches in my town and none are fancy, nor do any of the leaders live a rich lifestyle, in fact one preacher is my mailman.

mrveggieman
03-20-2012, 10:48 AM
I can't speak for all preachers but I know once you are established in the industry it is a lucrative occupation. If you have a larger church in a large city you will make some decent money not only from preaching but from public appearances, writing books and doing other promotions.

Wickabee
03-20-2012, 11:03 AM
Churches are not businesses. Just because you think that they are does not make them so. Who are all of these pastors with BMWs and million dollar homes? I would love to meet one. Sure there are a few mega-churches that probably overpay their pastors, but for the most part, pastors aren't exactly raking it in. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Come up to Kelowna and I'll give you a tour. Then you'll see who it is who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Or you can go on believing Church isn't big business, the media exists to inform not profit and the Easter Bunny will be on his way soon.

AUTaxMan
03-20-2012, 12:19 PM
Come up to Kelowna and I'll give you a tour. Then you'll see who it is who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Or you can go on believing Church isn't big business, the media exists to inform not profit and the Easter Bunny will be on his way soon.

Please, give me some specifics. I am interested.

Wickabee
03-20-2012, 12:20 PM
Please, give me some specifics. I am interested.
What do you want street addresses and license plate numbers?

AUTaxMan
03-20-2012, 12:21 PM
What do you want street addresses and license plate numbers?

No, just a few facts would be nice.

Wickabee
03-20-2012, 12:35 PM
Fact: Churches here rent out for secular reasons and take profit from these events.
Fact: Several Pastors/Priests here live in EXTREMELY nice houses.
Fact: I was harassed for donations (to a Church I don't attend whatsoever) at a friend's funeral.
Fact: After the service the Pastor put the top down on his $45,000 BMW and peeled out of the parking lot.

AUTaxMan
03-20-2012, 12:42 PM
Fact: Churches here rent out for secular reasons and take profit from these events.
Fact: Several Pastors/Priests here live in EXTREMELY nice houses.
Fact: I was harassed for donations (to a Church I don't attend whatsoever) at a friend's funeral.
Fact: After the service the Pastor put the top down on his $45,000 BMW and peeled out of the parking lot.

Do those alleged facts necessitate the conclusion that churches are businesses? I say no. You are taking an anecdotal experience and using it to draw other conclusions including that churches are big business.

mrveggieman
03-20-2012, 12:50 PM
Churches are ran almost like any other business. They may not have shareholders but they do have a bottom line that they must meet in their case with donations as compared to most other business with sales volume but at the end if they do not make enough money their doors will close just as quick as a "business". Money talkes that other stuff walks.

AUTaxMan
03-20-2012, 12:52 PM
Churches are ran almost like any other business. They may not have shareholders but they do have a bottom line that they must meet in their case with donations as compared to most other business with sales volume but at the end if they do not make enough money their doors will close just as quick as a "business". Money talkes that other stuff walks.

I understand this, but the overwhelming majority of them are not hemorrhaging money as some have suggested. My neighborhood association has a budget, but it isn't a business, because it is a non-profit organization.

Wickabee
03-20-2012, 12:55 PM
Do those alleged facts necessitate the conclusion that churches are businesses? I say no. You are taking an anecdotal experience and using it to draw other conclusions including that churches are big business.
You're right. Churches aren't businesses. Also:

Politicans are more worried about properly running the country than getting re-elected.

News-media exists to inform, not profit.

Nobody profits from charities except the poor/sick/etc.

The pharmaceutical companies are really trying to cure diseases, not just prolong them so you can buy more pills from them.

I would love to live in your world, man. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in the real one.

AUTaxMan
03-20-2012, 01:04 PM
You're right. Churches aren't businesses. Also:

Politicans are more worried about properly running the country than getting re-elected.

News-media exists to inform, not profit.

Nobody profits from charities except the poor/sick/etc.

The pharmaceutical companies are really trying to cure diseases, not just prolong them so you can buy more pills from them.

I would love to live in your world, man. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in the real one.

Your opinion on churches is wrong. Sorry. Just because you perceive something as fact does not make it fact.

Wickabee
03-20-2012, 01:06 PM
I can say the same to you. In fact, I'll go ahead and take a step further. You are not only wrong, you're naive as well.

mrveggieman
03-20-2012, 01:11 PM
There may be some mom and pop churches who are in it to help their communities and their fellow man but I'm not sure how much good you are to the less fortunate by turning preaching and your church into a multi million dollar business. That is what Michael Baisden calls "pimps from the pulpit."

Wickabee
03-20-2012, 01:18 PM
There may be some mom and pop churches who are in it to help their communities and their fellow man but I'm not sure how much good you are to the less fortunate by turning preaching and your church into a multi million dollar business. That is what Michael Baisden calls "pimps from the pulpit."
Bingo!

shrewsbury
03-20-2012, 01:20 PM
the number of multi million churches are almost nill in comparison to small ones.

there are always exceptions, but they are not the norm. again, there is not a single multi million $$ church in my town, but there are atleast a dozen or more churches.

it doesn't cost anything to go to church, so they are not a business, but the churches that do require tidings and such could be considered churches, but they are not the norm.