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duane1969
04-12-2012, 02:50 PM
Owe the IRS $50,000 or more in taxes? Lose your passport. You do not need to be charged or convicted. If the IRS alleges it you lose your passport. <br />
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mrveggieman
04-12-2012, 03:09 PM
Yeah I saw something like that on foxnews. I guess that they are afraid that someone will owe a lot of taxes and skip the country.

shrewsbury
04-12-2012, 03:35 PM
Yeah I saw something like that on foxnews

i thought you said work blocked hate sites?

TJJenkins
04-12-2012, 03:37 PM
Not really something I have to worry about lol.

Star_Cards
04-12-2012, 03:37 PM
I don't have a problem with that either to keep someone who owes from skipping or just taking away that privilege. I think it's more of the latter in my opinion.

AUTaxMan
04-12-2012, 03:52 PM
That basically means the IRS could arbitrarily assess you $50,000.01 and keep you from leaving the country. Just because you have been assessed does not mean that you actually owe the taxes.

duane1969
04-12-2012, 10:17 PM
I don't have a problem with that either to keep someone who owes from skipping or just taking away that privilege. I think it's more of the latter in my opinion.

As our resident tax guy says below, the IRS can know that you owe...oh, say $5000 but say that you owe $50k and prevent you from leaving the country.

Furthermore, this spits in the face of due process. Previously it took a court order to rescind your passport priveledges, now it can be taken at the whim of an IRS auditor. This takes the authority out of the hands of the court system and places it in the hands of a government agency.

IRS agent says you owe $50k -> Dept of Justice revokes your passport -> you either pay whatever the IRS says or you never get your passport back and since it wasn't a court action that took your passport, you can't appeal.


That basically means the IRS could arbitrarily assess you $50,000.01 and keep you from leaving the country. Just because you have been assessed does not mean that you actually owe the taxes.

mrveggieman
04-13-2012, 08:38 AM
i thought you said work blocked hate sites?


You said it not me. :thumb:

angel0430
04-13-2012, 08:59 AM
As our resident tax guy says below, the IRS can know that you owe...oh, say $5000 but say that you owe $50k and prevent you from leaving the country.

Furthermore, this spits in the face of due process. Previously it took a court order to rescind your passport priveledges, now it can be taken at the whim of an IRS auditor. This takes the authority out of the hands of the court system and places it in the hands of a government agency.

IRS agent says you owe $50k -> Dept of Justice revokes your passport -> you either pay whatever the IRS says or you never get your passport back and since it wasn't a court action that took your passport, you can't appeal.

I am with you on this one but I am pretty sure that there is going to be some higher authority than just a tax auditor. I am sure this one is going to go all the way to the Supreme Court and they are going to say no.

Star_Cards
04-13-2012, 09:04 AM
As our resident tax guy says below, the IRS can know that you owe...oh, say $5000 but say that you owe $50k and prevent you from leaving the country.

Furthermore, this spits in the face of due process. Previously it took a court order to rescind your passport priveledges, now it can be taken at the whim of an IRS auditor. This takes the authority out of the hands of the court system and places it in the hands of a government agency.

IRS agent says you owe $50k -> Dept of Justice revokes your passport -> you either pay whatever the IRS says or you never get your passport back and since it wasn't a court action that took your passport, you can't appeal.

wasn't speaking to assessments or amounts they say you owe, but if you legitimately owe the tax I have no issue... but then I don't know how they determine and assessment as opposed to legitimately owing the tax.

habsheaven
04-13-2012, 10:22 AM
I think (without reading up on it) that this is designed to get taxpayers to address their outstanding tax issues. If you have enough money you can string the IRS along for years (at least that is the case up here for the CRA). This law would inconvenience "world travelers" enough that it would force them to deal with it. I don't think it is designed to prevent skippers.

angel0430
04-13-2012, 10:59 AM
I think that the main reason is to go against people that have money but they chose not to pay. Poeple that depend ont heir travleing to make money. But there are some people that only travel inside the US and to US territories and you do not need a passport to travel to those places unless they decide to channge the law on that,.