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shrewsbury
05-09-2012, 12:47 AM
this is beginning to intrigue me

(long read)

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2006/05/judas-gospel/cockburn-text.html

before you christians freak out, look at three great facts here,

one, it's oldest copy is as old as most new testament copies
two, it is mentioned as far back as 180 ad
three, a great read just to understand how much man really influence what we call the bible

AUTaxMan
05-09-2012, 09:46 AM
this is beginning to intrigue me

(long read)

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2006/05/judas-gospel/cockburn-text.html

before you christians freak out, look at three great facts here,

one, it's oldest copy is as old as most new testament copies
two, it is mentioned as far back as 180 ad
three, a great read just to understand how much man really influence what we call the bible

It was not included in the canon because it is inconsistent with the teachings of Christ.

shrewsbury
05-09-2012, 11:56 AM
It was not included in the canon because it is inconsistent with the teachings of Christ

according to who? a council of humans? and when they cannot when a discussion they simply exile you

*censored*
05-09-2012, 02:28 PM
The Church has withheld a lot of documents over the years. The gospels of James, Peter, Thomas, and Judas, the Q document...

If it doesn't fit into the story they want to promote, regardless of truth, they'll pretend it doesn't exist.

PDawson21
05-09-2012, 02:46 PM
It was not included in the canon because it is inconsistent with the teachings of Christ.

The "Gospel of Judas" was not written by Judas.... he was dead. They are gnostic texts written long after the death of all the apostles. The stories were judged to be not according to the teaching of the Church either historically or spiritually.

shrewsbury
05-09-2012, 04:37 PM
The "Gospel of Judas" was not written by Judas.... he was dead. They are gnostic texts written long after the death of all the apostles. The stories were judged to be not according to the teaching of the Church either historically or spiritually.

you need to do some research, the only biblical gospel that predates this one is a small fragment of john

they are labeled gnostic to try and discredit them, but when the council decided to call in one to question him and show him up, they found themselves out done and exiled him. the official reason was his ideas did not match theirs so it must not be correct

AUTaxMan
05-10-2012, 12:11 AM
It is a gnostic text. This is not up for debate. Christ did not teach gnosticism. He taught that there was one way to salvation and that it was available to all. Do you not believe the Council of Nicea was guided by God's hand?

shrewsbury
05-10-2012, 12:14 AM
Do you not believe the Council of Nicea was guided by God's hand?

no, constantine's

ensbergcollector
05-10-2012, 12:36 AM
when someone can explain to me why every gnostic gospel makes the claim that its author was jesus' closest friend then i will start listening. The gospel of judas claims he was the closest follower, as does the gospel of thomas, as does the gospel of mary, as does the gospel of...

shrewsbury
05-10-2012, 08:48 AM
you guys are relating this to gnostics because the church has.

do some research, there were many christians that were not unified in the church and read many of these works and were not gnostic

what better way to legitimize your claim but to relate all else to something people were uncertain about

the gospel of thomas was found buried with a christian monk, who was not gnostic

were not all apostles the closest to jesus?

and some other bad news, most other gospels that made in into the NT were written for an apostle by someone else

and just because someone had the worst job doesn't make them the worst person

but i am not sold on this "gospel" yet, but intrigue by it

PDawson21
05-10-2012, 09:04 AM
So are you saying Matthew didn't write Matthew? Luke didn't write Luke?

shrewsbury
05-10-2012, 10:10 AM
there's a tradition going back to the church leader Papias, early in the second century, that Mark's Gospel is based on the testimony of Simon Peter, written down by Mark. If it is true, this would explain why the church accepted it as authoritative so quickly.

correct, i am saying some of the gospels were written by the apostles companion and not directly by them. and with no existing fragments that date back to the era they were said to be written, it is up for debate.