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JustAlex
06-08-2012, 01:09 AM
This law is literally the stupidest gun law in the HISTORY of the United States.

The following is a clip from a man who shot and KILLED a neighbor just because he didn't like the fact they had loud music on.

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The man goes down the street WITH A GUN! and when they confront him he supposedly feels his life is in "danger", please remember that HE is the one with the gun, not the other way around....ultimately he shoots a person dead!

MattDMC
06-09-2012, 05:24 AM
While I do support stand your ground (when actually standing your ground that is) this law is only asking for trouble. Anyone can shoot anyone and claim they were standing their ground, whos going to say otherwise a dead guy?

The man in this video deserves life in prison no exception. He went there with a gun and clearly intended to shoot it. The victim has his hands up showing he's innocent/not armed yet Rual (think thats his name) keeps yelling his life is in danger knowing he can claim it as a stand your ground "cop out". In my eyes he fully intended to shoot no matter what and he even set up his defense while doing so but he made one major flaw in doing so....VIDEO TAPING HIS DEFENSELESS VICTIM.

If he really thinks that video is going to save his bum then he must be the biggest friggin idiot alive.

He deserves to rot in jail for killing a clearly unarmed clearly innocent man.

When somebody has their arms up thats the same as waving a white flag, you don't shoot somebody whos not even posing any possible fight.

gladdyontherise
06-09-2012, 08:25 AM
The law itself isn't dumb, the problem is this guy didn't follow the law at all, and he'll be in jail for the rest of his life.

duane1969
06-09-2012, 01:03 PM
"I'm not losing to these people anymore..."

A clear statement that he intends to kill someone. Of course this will never get mainstream media attention because it is a latino killing a white guy.

Unfortunately for this guy, Florida has the death penalty and he essentially videotaped his premeditation.

Frantiic
06-12-2012, 10:25 AM
"I'm not losing to these people anymore..."

A clear statement that he intends to kill someone. Of course this will never get mainstream media attention because it is a latino killing a white guy.

Unfortunately for this guy, Florida has the death penalty and he essentially videotaped his premeditation.

He's smoked in other words.

Some of these law's are so weird to me. but then again. if you kill a woman or a man in sweden, you get 10-12 years. Life in prison is 10-12 not 25 to life. Some people have a "real" life in prisonment but to get that, you need to kill a policeofficer or something similar.

duane1969
06-12-2012, 11:26 AM
"I'm not losing to these people anymore..."

A clear statement that he intends to kill someone. Of course this will never get mainstream media attention because it is a latino killing a white guy.

Unfortunately for this guy, Florida has the death penalty and he essentially videotaped his premeditation.

He's smoked in other words.

Some of these law's are so weird to me. but then again. if you kill a woman or a man in sweden, you get 10-12 years. Life in prison is 10-12 not 25 to life. Some people have a "real" life in prisonment but to get that, you need to kill a policeofficer or something similar.

I head that in Sweden you have to get reviewed before you are released if you were convicted of murder. In essence, if you get 10 years then at the end of 10 years you are reviewed for release and they can decided to keep you longer. Is that correct or no?

Frantiic
06-12-2012, 12:00 PM
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I head that in Sweden you have to get reviewed before you are released if you were convicted of murder. In essence, if you get 10 years then at the end of 10 years you are reviewed for release and they can decided to keep you longer. Is that correct or no?

yeah, not always though. My mothers best friend was murdered by her husband.. She was 8months pregnant . She was murdered in cold blood. Took an axe to the head. He was sentanced to life in prison. with a maximum of 12 years. He got released after 8 years. because the prison he was in, was too full.

The saddest thing about this is, They had another daughter together. she was 7 when it happened. When he got released he got custody of her. .

+ ,the guy who got his cell when he was released. was sentanced to 6 months in prison for file sharing.. keep in mind, it a maximum security prison.

So.. Whats better, to keep murderes behind bars, or let some kid get 6 months for downloading a couple of songs. which is more important? Life or the music industry?

And another thing. WHen you get convicted in sweden. no matter what crime you've done you are eligable for i dont really know how to say it in english, but in sweden its called "permission" which means you can leave the prison for a weekend. some with police escort, and some WITHOUT!! How messed up is that?!?!?!

sorry for long post. but this is bugging the crap out of me.

pghin08
06-12-2012, 12:20 PM
[quote=duane1969;11638804]

yeah, not always though. My mothers best friend was murdered by her husband.. She was 8months pregnant . She was murdered in cold blood. Took an axe to the head. He was sentanced to life in prison. with a maximum of 12 years. He got released after 8 years. because the prison he was in, was too full.

The saddest thing about this is, They had another daughter together. she was 7 when it happened. When he got released he got custody of her. .

+ ,the guy who got his cell when he was released. was sentanced to 6 months in prison for file sharing.. keep in mind, it a maximum security prison.

So.. Whats better, to keep murderes behind bars, or let some kid get 6 months for downloading a couple of songs. which is more important? Life or the music industry?

And another thing. WHen you get convicted in sweden. no matter what crime you've done you are eligable for i dont really know how to say it in english, but in sweden its called "permission" which means you can leave the prison for a weekend. some with police escort, and some WITHOUT!! How messed up is that?!?!?!

sorry for long post. but this is bugging the crap out of me.

Wow, that's crazy. Do you guys have a lot of violent crime? Sweden is perceived in the US as a very peaceful nation.

mrveggieman
06-12-2012, 12:32 PM
[quote=duane1969;11638804]

yeah, not always though. My mothers best friend was murdered by her husband.. She was 8months pregnant . She was murdered in cold blood. Took an axe to the head. He was sentanced to life in prison. with a maximum of 12 years. He got released after 8 years. because the prison he was in, was too full.

The saddest thing about this is, They had another daughter together. she was 7 when it happened. When he got released he got custody of her. .

+ ,the guy who got his cell when he was released. was sentanced to 6 months in prison for file sharing.. keep in mind, it a maximum security prison.

So.. Whats better, to keep murderes behind bars, or let some kid get 6 months for downloading a couple of songs. which is more important? Life or the music industry?

And another thing. WHen you get convicted in sweden. no matter what crime you've done you are eligable for i dont really know how to say it in english, but in sweden its called "permission" which means you can leave the prison for a weekend. some with police escort, and some WITHOUT!! How messed up is that?!?!?!

sorry for long post. but this is bugging the crap out of me.


Yeah thats what we call a furlough over here. I was watching locked up on cnbc and they were showing that is a common occurence in a lot of international jails. They even showed a jail in Israel that looked more like a college campus than a prison.

Star_Cards
06-12-2012, 12:32 PM
I can't tell what happened at the end that made him shoot. right before it looked like they were maybe 20-30 feet away. you hear laughing but can't see anything. doesn't seem like he was in danger one second of that video. He may have been nervous confronting a group of guys about noise but for the most part they weren't aggressive. I'm actually surprised that the group didn't just leave at the point where he drew his weapon. Not faulting them for the shooting at all. I just know if I'm in that situation I'm going back to my house and calling the cops.

seems like this guys will be in prison for a long time.

Frantiic
06-12-2012, 02:04 PM
[quote=Frantiic;11638948]

Wow, that's crazy. Do you guys have a lot of violent crime? Sweden is perceived in the US as a very peaceful nation.

yeah some. but not like in the us though. some pretty crazy stuff is happening though. Sweden is a pretty small country.. a bit over 9 million people live here .. though its a big area wise .




[quote=Frantiic;11638948]


Yeah thats what we call a furlough over here. I was watching locked up on cnbc and they were showing that is a common occurence in a lot of international jails. They even showed a jail in Israel that looked more like a college campus than a prison.


yep. its crazy. Some prisons in sweden have pooltables, computers with internet access.. Some Cells even have ps2, xbox etc. They have better food in prisons in sweden then we have at some schools.

Im moving to the US the first chance i get. Cant stand this country.

Frantiic
06-13-2012, 03:44 AM
just to get some more info about this "Stand you ground" thing.

How many actually claim that they did it because they felt that their life was in danger? How many get convicted etc? there must be something.

Aikman_TheGreat
06-13-2012, 03:58 AM
just to get some more info about this "Stand you ground" thing.

How many actually claim that they did it because they felt that their life was in danger? How many get convicted etc? there must be something.

Alot of people use it to protect theirselves or their family, and it's just. Every now and then someone uses it as a crime. And even sometimes the media uses it to make it a racial issue, and this forum wants to make it a race issue. Or a religious issue.

I'll continue to carry a gun, and you'll never hear of me comitting a crime, i'm just going to protect myself and my family.

Frantiic
06-13-2012, 04:21 AM
Alot of people use it to protect theirselves or their family, and it's just. Every now and then someone uses it as a crime. And even sometimes the media uses it to make it a racial issue, and this forum wants to make it a race issue. Or a religious issue.

I'll continue to carry a gun, and you'll never hear of me comitting a crime, i'm just going to protect myself and my family.

Ok, thanks!

i would like to carry a gun here in Malmö, Sweden aswell. just for self protection. so much crazy stuff going around here right now.

We dont have any laws like that here i think. Gonna sit down and check the laws and compare with the states to see how far off we are etc. could be interesting