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mrveggieman
07-11-2012, 04:43 PM
Although I still am not voting for Romney (unless President Obama quits and Hillary Clinton takes over which isn't happening) I got to give him props for at least trying. That is much more that santorm, bachman or that clown hermain cain would have done. However Romney's downfall will be instead of offering some type of solution for the uninsured he is just talking about appealing Obamacare which will only cause him to lose voters without healthcare. Your thoughts:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mitt-romney-appeals-black-voters-naacp-speech-141523941.htm

shrewsbury
07-11-2012, 04:57 PM
so you will vote for Obama, knowing the status of unemployment of blacks and teens?

mrveggieman
07-11-2012, 05:07 PM
so you will vote for Obama, knowing the status of unemployment of blacks and teens?


He did the best he could under a difficult situation. If Romney would have became president in 2008 and had to deal with all the mess that President Obama had to deal with he wouldn't have did any better. It would be fair to vote Obama out of office because of the republicans stonewalling everything that he tried to do. That would be akin to giving in to extortion by the republicans.

shrewsbury
07-11-2012, 05:12 PM
then why has everything that has passed in the house been shotdown in the senate? it is a two way street. i would not say romney would have done better, but maybe he would have.

and i respectfully disagree he did his best, i believe he is much better than what has happened, he got caught up in a bunch of junk, but he could have rose above it.

and my comments are not meant to say romney or better or any republican would have done betetr.

MadMan1978
07-11-2012, 05:23 PM
so you will vote for Obama, knowing the status of unemployment of blacks and teens?

yes

mrveggieman
07-11-2012, 05:26 PM
yes

Me too.

shrewsbury
07-11-2012, 05:28 PM
so you guys are for oppressing blacks and teens?

MadMan1978
07-11-2012, 05:30 PM
The president nor Congress have/can Create Jobs! They foster an environment for Jobs can be created. Taxes, Regulations and laws will either hinder or promote grow. What I see right now it is he President and congress in disagreement on what needs to reformed or changed for jobs growth.

Reason why unemployment is higher among blacks is lack of education. Those number are of those unemployed in the Cities and such. Again Roomey uses half truths to advance himself.

shrewsbury
07-11-2012, 05:46 PM
and Obama only tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth

Wickabee
07-11-2012, 05:53 PM
and Obama only tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth

Which has what to do with this comment by Romney being a half-truth?

MadMan1978
07-11-2012, 05:56 PM
and Obama only tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth
just like all other past sitting Presidents

If you believe that no President has lied while sitting in the Oval office then I got some beach front property in Arizona

shrewsbury
07-11-2012, 06:11 PM
so it is ok to lie as long as everyone else did? this is the problems with some people, they will twist anything to make it look ok but take no personal responsibility. is it ok for your kids to use drugs because other school kids are?

the issue isn't black and white or dem and repub, it is personal responsibility, this is why welfare is like it is, it is always someone else's fault or responsibility

an example? sure, how about the dems just filibustered their own bill!!!!!!!!!

and beach front could be on a lake, which guess what, there are lakes in arizona, and i doubt you own any, but if you do let me know, we are looking to sell and move

Wickabee
07-11-2012, 06:13 PM
so it is ok to lie as long as everyone else did? this is the problems with some people, they will twist anything to make it look ok

That's kind of what I got from your post. As I understand it, you basically said it's okay for Romney to lie because Obama isn't always truthful himself. Or did I misunderstand your post?

shrewsbury
07-11-2012, 06:27 PM
wickabee i admit i was off topic

romney isn't on my top list, and not my choice.
but how could i vote for someone who has oppressed any american?
obama can still turn things around, but he hasn't nor will he
i couldn't vote for him knowing this, and guess what, that is also the reason i could not vote for bush
i am a republican, but that does not mean i would follow anyone saying they were just because they were a republican. just like i don't agree with many christians and would not want them to represent me, but i am still a christian.

whether they are libs or conservs, i don't care, we just need things going in a better direction

MadMan1978
07-11-2012, 06:43 PM
I dont think an Republican Congress will let him and they have proven that time and time again. they fight within party lines and we pay the full cost of it all

Wickabee
07-11-2012, 06:51 PM
romney isn't on my top list, and not my choice.
After watching the Republican primaries, it seems the only person who's first choice is Mitt Romney is Mitt Romney, haha.


but how could i vote for someone who has oppressed any american?
obama can still turn things around, but he hasn't nor will he
It is impossible to lead any country without someone seeing you as oppressing someone. Also, while I'm not saying Obama's been necessarily "good" for black people (I really can't say either way) I do highly doubt he's oppressing blacks for the sake of oppressing blacks.


i couldn't vote for him knowing this, and guess what, that is also the reason i could not vote for bush
Ok, but I guarantee you everyone you've ever voted for has either oppressed, or has been seen as oppressive to, one group or another.


i am a republican, but that does not mean i would follow anyone saying they were just because they were a republican. just like i don't agree with many christians and would not want them to represent me, but i am still a christian.
I believe you. Nothing bothers me more than, "I vote Republican (or Democrat) because my daddy did and his daddy did and his daddy..." and you do not seem like that type to me whatsoever. You seem thoughtful and principled, whether you and I agree on those principles or not. I do think you dislike Obama and almost anything he does will be met with criticism from you.


whether they are libs or conservs, i don't care, we just need things going in a better direction
Yes, but here we have a case of Romney twisting facts and you simply distracted from that by mentioning Obama. That is simple, "Oh yeah, well your guy is just as bad so THERE!" It is partisan (though again, I believe every word you said as stated above) and it is pointless. You didn't as much about Obama as you did about Romney. You justified Romney's fact twisting by saying, "The other guy does it too!" That doesn't affect change, it just further entrenches people to one side or another in an "Us vs Them" mentality, which is 95% of the America's problem in the first place.

If I were American I would be perpetually "undecided" but likely vote Democrat most of the time. You are right, though, that one party is just as bad as the other. I kind of wonder, though, that if someone here accused Obama of twisting facts, would you point out that Romney does the same? I don't think that's any better than your previous post, but at least it would be equal. I think the best method is to call them out on their BS and not use Obama's (or Romney's) BS to justify Romney's (or Obama's) BS.

shrewsbury
07-11-2012, 09:42 PM
wickabee, it may have sounded like I was excusing romney and blaming Obama but i meant it to be, look at both sides, how can you say this about him and not about the other?
again that was my fault for being off topic, but it seems people like to attack just one, when all are fair game and some are more to blame than others.

i respect your opinion but i am not against obama, but i do have issues with how things are handled, just like bush, clinton, and bush, before that i didn't really care. i am sure obama is not trying to oppress anyone, but the facts are things are much worse and getting no better. al gore's fuzzy math is the name of the game, when the true numbers are staggering.
i can see the idea of fair health care and have no issues helping those in need. but more taxes, bailouts, and welfare increases are not the answer.

duane1969
07-11-2012, 10:22 PM
He did the best he could under a difficult situation. If Romney would have became president in 2008 and had to deal with all the mess that President Obama had to deal with he wouldn't have did any better. It would be fair to vote Obama out of office because of the republicans stonewalling everything that he tried to do. That would be akin to giving in to extortion by the republicans.

I find this a bit ironic. When Obama really wants to do something he just tosses out an executive order and forces it to be done. When he fails to do something it is the Republican's fault. I see that as a bit of a fallacy. If he really wanted to get some things done then he could. He has already proven that. He got Obamacare forced thru with 2/3rd of American's opposing it. He used executive order to buy Latino votes with amnesty. If Obama fails to do something then there is only one person to blame.


The president nor Congress have/can Create Jobs! They foster an environment for Jobs can be created. Taxes, Regulations and laws will either hinder or promote grow. What I see right now it is he President and congress in disagreement on what needs to reformed or changed for jobs growth.

Reason why unemployment is higher among blacks is lack of education. Those number are of those unemployed in the Cities and such. Again Roomey uses half truths to advance himself.

So if blacks were more educated then jobs would just magically appear? This is a supreme fallacy that I keep hearing liberals use. Education does not equal jobs. If every person in America had a bachelor's degree or higher we would not have 0% unemployment. Just like everyone else who is unemployed, blacks are unemployed because there are no jobs.


I dont think an Republican Congress will let him and they have proven that time and time again. they fight within party lines and we pay the full cost of it all

So the Democrats are playing nice and wanting to work with conservatives and the Republicans refuse to play ball? Come on. You can't seriously believe that.


i can see the idea of fair health care

There is no such thing as fair health care. It is a fallacy perpetuated by Obama and his liberal cronies that his goal is fair health care for everyone. It is not. Consider the following.

- My dad is a Army veteran of the Korean war. He gets a certain type and quality of health care thanks to the VA program.
- My mom is retired. she gets a certain type of health care thru Medicare and a supplemental plan that she pays for.
- My wife and I are state employees. We get a certain type of private health care that is only available to state employees.
- Obamacare will provide a certain type of healthcare that is only available to those on the Obamacare program.
- Welfare provides a certain type of health care thru Medicaid.

All of these health care types are different. None of them provide the same caliber of care or allow for the same treatments. As a veteran my dad can get seen by a doctor that nobody else can be seen by. As a state employee I can be seen by a specialist without a referral, something that none of the others I mentioned can do. A welfare recipient can get dental care that is virtually free, I pay extra for a dental plan and pay 35% of the bill.

There is no such thing as equal health care for all. Obama is selling a bag of tricks and people are buying it with their eyes closed.

Wickabee
07-12-2012, 03:17 AM
wickabee, it may have sounded like I was excusing romney and blaming Obama but i meant it to be, look at both sides, how can you say this about him and not about the other?
again that was my fault for being off topic, but it seems people like to attack just one, when all are fair game and some are more to blame than others.
That's sort of my problem, though, and trust me you're not the first and won't be the last. For every thread about something like this, there's someone saying, "Well so does the other guy!"
If no one did that, there would literally be no change in the percentages of who gets press around here. Trust me, I see just as many criticisms of Obama as I do Romney and vice versa. There is no need to say, "Look at the other guy!" because one thread over, someone is. There may be a forum that can use your message. In fact, I would bet there is. I'm just saying I think this area is beyond needing to be told that.


i respect your opinion but i am not against obama, but i do have issues with how things are handled, just like bush, clinton, and bush, before that i didn't really care. i am sure obama is not trying to oppress anyone, but the facts are things are much worse and getting no better. al gore's fuzzy math is the name of the game, when the true numbers are staggering.
i can see the idea of fair health care and have no issues helping those in need. but more taxes, bailouts, and welfare increases are not the answer.

I only know you from some posts on a message board. I wouldn't put too much stock in my opinion. Unfortunately, that's really all I can post.

11chaos
07-12-2012, 05:11 AM
so you will vote for Obama, knowing the status of unemployment of blacks and teens?


yes


Me too.

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