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pwaldo
07-16-2012, 10:50 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/james-carville-suspending-penn-state-football-really-dumb-183313942--abc-news-politics.html?_esi=1


Democratic strategist James Carville argued that it would be "a really dumb idea" to suspend the Penn State football program, despite an independent investigation finding that top university officials, including former head coach Joe Paterno, worked to conceal child sex abuse allegations against former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

"Look, this is awful, gut-wrenching," Carville said of the Penn State abuse scandal this morning on the "This Week" roundtable. "And people that I really respect are talking about the death penalty for Penn State football. That is a really dumb idea. Lives have been ruined, so the answer to it, let's go out and ruin more lives?

"Let's take a kid who's a football player who was in the second grade when this happened and let's suspend the program. Who knows what he's going to do with his education?" Carville added. "Let's take every contract that's been signed everybody that has a motel in Happy Valley, let's ruin their lives as a retaliation."

Carville argued instead that the Penn State football program should be allowed to continue so it can generate money, which can then be used to compensate the victims of Sandusky's child abuse.

"Let Penn State football play, let them make money, bring the trial lawyers in, pluck that chicken clean," Carville said.

AUTaxMan
07-16-2012, 11:36 PM
I agree. This is outside of the NCAA's jurisdiction.

theonedru
07-17-2012, 06:24 AM
my fav part

"Let's take a kid who's a football player who was in the second grade when this happened and let's suspend the program. Who knows what he's going to do with his education?"


I dunno get a job would be a good guess

AUTaxMan
07-17-2012, 10:07 AM
my fav part

"Let's take a kid who's a football player who was in the second grade when this happened and let's suspend the program. Who knows what he's going to do with his education?"


I dunno get a job would be a good guess

Because the football player was clearly enrolled at Penn State to get an education.

pghin08
07-17-2012, 10:28 AM
Forget even the football team. What if you were say, a restaurant or bar owner in State College? If there's no Penn State football, it effects your business on a massive scale. That's not fair, in my eyes.

mrveggieman
07-17-2012, 11:14 AM
I don't agree with suspending any program because of the actions of people who are no longer involved with the program but I do see a bit of hyprocracy in the ncaa. They shut down SMU's program in the 1980s for 2 seasons for paying players under the table but then turn around and suggest that they are powerless do anything about one of their member institutions who allowed a sexual predator to rape and sexually abuse young boys. The ncaa is completly full of it and has about as much credibility as rush limbaugh.

Star_Cards
07-17-2012, 11:24 AM
The "punishment" philosophy of the NCAA is idiotic at best. They punish people all the time for things that other people do. It's makes zero sense and they need to stop. If they aren't able to punish the actual people who commit rule infractions or even worse as in this case then so be it. The law is taking care of this case so why do they even need to worry about it. I get that this happened at the institution of PSU, but the people who built up that institution are being dealt with and are no longer there. If they take away scholarships or suspend football for a year or give a death penalty it will do nothing but punish people who had zero involvement in this case.

I see where people say they need to set an example, but in this case it's up to the legal system to set an example. Covering up this sort of thing will get you in trouble way more worse than anything the NCAA can/will do to you... or better yet, to you former employer.

The NCAA's brand of punishment is like hiring a guy who eventually steals from the company, firing him, hiring a new employee to take over and then punishing him for what they fired the previous employee for. It's completely backwards and idiotic.

*censored*
07-17-2012, 12:30 PM
I don't agree with suspending any program because of the actions of people who are no longer involved with the program

So do you believe that Ohio State should not have received any penalties since the five players involved in the tattoos-for-memorabilia are gone and the coach it happened under is no longer there?

Fact is, this was covered up for years all the way up to the highest of powers in the school. Something has to happen to the football team or the athletic department as a whole. I would be entirely in favor of the death penalty on Penn State for allowing things like this to happen on their campus under their watch and then covering it up to pretend it never happened. This is a blatant "lack of institutional control."

And if there's no death penalty involved, it still needs to be a harsh penalty, like no bowl games for 3-5 years and a slashing of scholarships. It will harm some players, yes. But they can get on with other schools. It will harm Penn State itself far more than the players.

mrveggieman
07-17-2012, 12:37 PM
So do you believe that Ohio State should not have received any penalties since the five players involved in the tattoos-for-memorabilia are gone and the coach it happened under is no longer there?

Fact is, this was covered up for years all the way up to the highest of powers in the school. Something has to happen to the football team or the athletic department as a whole. I would be entirely in favor of the death penalty on Penn State for allowing things like this to happen on their campus under their watch and then covering it up to pretend it never happened. This is a blatant "lack of institutional control."

And if there's no death penalty involved, it still needs to be a harsh penalty, like no bowl games for 3-5 years and a slashing of scholarships. It will harm some players, yes. But they can get on with other schools. It will harm Penn State itself far more than the players.


The tatoos for memorbillia is trivial matter in my book. Who in the hell cares? If Ohio State was never punished I would have not lost a second of sleep over it. It is not a crime in my book. I do think that there should be some type of punishment for everyone involved in the penn state scandal. Mabey the ncaa should do something like any proceeds penn state gets from going to a bowl game for the next 5 years should automatically be given to organizations that assist abused children. They can even take a precentage of the revenue that they get from the regular season. The system is indeed broken and needs to be fixed.

*censored*
07-17-2012, 12:56 PM
Trivial or not, it's still an issue of a player receiving something because of his celebrity status. Money or items, it's the same deal. Ohio State got punished and deservedly so. And I say that...

pwaldo
07-17-2012, 04:42 PM
I don't agree with suspending any program because of the actions of people who are no longer involved with the program but I do see a bit of hyprocracy in the ncaa. They shut down SMU's program in the 1980s for 2 seasons for paying players under the table but then turn around and suggest that they are powerless do anything about one of their member institutions who allowed a sexual predator to rape and sexually abuse young boys. The ncaa is completly full of it and has about as much credibility as rush limbaugh.

They would still be at Penn State if the news didn't break....remember all those dumb college kids rioting because they fired Joe Paterno? Paterno would still be there today so the school shouldn't get praise because they did something they should have done years ago.