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mrveggieman
07-19-2012, 01:30 PM
If God himself told you that you could leave earth right now and be regardless of what you done in life would be guaranteed a place in heaven would you go? The catch is your family members would not be going with you, there is no guarantee if or when they will they will get into heaven and if you say no and go back to earth there is no guarantee that you will ever get into heaven. What would you do?

habsheaven
07-19-2012, 01:37 PM
I like my current life and I'm in no rush to end it. Besides, I like my odds of getting in later.

theonedru
07-19-2012, 01:50 PM
Anyone ever think of the possibility of an afterlife/heaven type scenario without a religious jilt to it? I mean if you remove the silly religious tones then in theory is it quite feasible.

Wickabee
07-19-2012, 02:10 PM
It has never been my goal to get into heaven, so I'd stay here.

habsheaven
07-19-2012, 02:21 PM
Anyone ever think of the possibility of an afterlife/heaven type scenario without a religious jilt to it? I mean if you remove the silly religious tones then in theory is it quite feasible.

Not sure if you meant to say "it is", but I will respond anyway. I do not think there is any possibility of an afterlife. Once blood stops travelling to your brain and your brain stops functioning you are dead. Any hopes of a "soul" continuing on without your body is fantasy. Our "souls" exist only in our brain, just as our life does.

drtom2005
07-20-2012, 10:05 PM
Personally, I think the idea of heaven given by most religions feels like jail to me. All you do all day is worship a god that may think you are scum. Really? That seems like a different place to me.

shrewsbury
07-20-2012, 10:15 PM
drtom, if heaven was like that i am unsure of its purpose, if God needed people to worship him, could he not just create them? could He not just force us now to worship him?

drtom2005
07-20-2012, 10:22 PM
drtom, if heaven was like that i am unsure of its purpose, if God needed people to worship him, could he not just create them? could He not just force us now to worship him?

I think that is kind of the point behind religions. Worship me or go to bad place. The problem is heaven is not fun to me. The religions should say that you would spend the rest of eternity doing want you want without disease or the other faults of the human form. Spending your time worshipping something that doesn't respect a person is worthless in my opinion.

By the way, your example somewhat makes clear my point. When I want someone to do something, I tell them to do it. God doesn't do this action. If you respect someone, you tell them clearly and not keep them guessing.

I would like god to check in occasionly and make sure his rules are know to everyone.

theonedru
07-20-2012, 10:26 PM
Not sure if you meant to say "it is", but I will respond anyway. I do not think there is any possibility of an afterlife. Once blood stops travelling to your brain and your brain stops functioning you are dead. Any hopes of a "soul" continuing on without your body is fantasy. Our "souls" exist only in our brain, just as our life does.

I dunno, science gives a good base for the possibility for this.

shrewsbury
07-20-2012, 10:56 PM
drtom, I am sure you would, but it obviously isn't going to happen. In my opinion people can believe what they want or how they want, but God is not about creating beings to worship Him. Jesus does not test you nor require anything of you, it is all up to you. If the only reason someone believes is because they fear burning in hell, I will not say that is bad, but I must say that doesn't work for all of us.

drtom2005
07-20-2012, 11:07 PM
drtom, I am sure you would, but it obviously isn't going to happen. In my opinion people can believe what they want or how they want, but God is not about creating beings to worship Him. Jesus does not test you nor require anything of you, it is all up to you. If the only reason someone believes is because they fear burning in hell, I will not say that is bad, but I must say that doesn't work for all of us.

I do not disagree with you Shrewsbury. I do not think that all people believe in god because of a fear of hell. I think it one heck of a motivator, though.

Now the heaven most people think of is one of peace. Although the bible verses referring to it have an undertone of always worshipping god. Quite frankly, it makes me sick. God came multiple times 2000 years ago and has now checked out of the situation. It isn't logical. It is one of the many reasons I do not believe anymore.

habsheaven
07-21-2012, 07:36 AM
I dunno, science gives a good base for the possibility for this.

Care to explain?

theonedru
07-21-2012, 08:51 AM
Care to explain?

This is the best I can do at 5:50 am to explain it

Ok, so if the body consists of energy and energy can be neither created nor destroyed then can it not be argued the following? Upon death energy in some conscious state leaves the body and disperses itself into the universe becoming one with the all. And that ones ability to control this energy can result in either a total absorption into the cosmos, or if owning to a stronger constitution can reform in some state to appear as some ghostly figure (details depending on ones ability to pull the energy together to do so clarity, ability to manipulate objects and such). It could also be looked upon as ones soul surviving on afterwards in a way.

drtom2005
07-21-2012, 12:35 PM
This is the best I can do at 5:50 am to explain it

Ok, so if the body consists of energy and energy can be neither created nor destroyed then can it not be argued the following? Upon death energy in some conscious state leaves the body and disperses itself into the universe becoming one with the all. And that ones ability to control this energy can result in either a total absorption into the cosmos, or if owning to a stronger constitution can reform in some state to appear as some ghostly figure (details depending on ones ability to pull the energy together to do so clarity, ability to manipulate objects and such). It could also be looked upon as ones soul surviving on afterwards in a way.

Wow. Yes people can agree about some things. If the quantum hypothesis of the brain(the idea that the human brain is the first quantum computer that we know of) is correct, the brain interacts with all of the quantum particles in the universe. It wouldn't be just at the time of death but any brain state that could be reverse engineered. We would first have to learn how the brain interacts on the quantum level. Then take a picture and then replicate it.

I wouldn't call this afterlife, though. It would be the universe storing the information like it does.

habsheaven
07-21-2012, 08:09 PM
This is the best I can do at 5:50 am to explain it

Ok, so if the body consists of energy and energy can be neither created nor destroyed then can it not be argued the following? Upon death energy in some conscious state leaves the body and disperses itself into the universe becoming one with the all. And that ones ability to control this energy can result in either a total absorption into the cosmos, or if owning to a stronger constitution can reform in some state to appear as some ghostly figure (details depending on ones ability to pull the energy together to do so clarity, ability to manipulate objects and such). It could also be looked upon as ones soul surviving on afterwards in a way.

I kinda get what your trying to say but I do not see it that way. For me, energy gets transferred back into the ground if you are buried or turned into heat if you are cremated. So when I am dead in the ground being eaten by worms, THAT is my afterlife.