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AUTaxMan
07-26-2012, 09:08 PM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-speech-that-got-a-standing-ovation-in-congress-today/

INTIMADATOR2007
07-27-2012, 12:16 AM
The man is saying what the American people are saying and come November ALL the democrats up for election are going home .

JustAlex
07-27-2012, 04:47 AM
Standing Ovation by who???? <br />
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The people who are in the same party? <br />
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Yeah, very impressive! <br />
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BTW, it's almost been 2 years since the GOP got power in the House....WHERE ARE THE JOBS??? <br />
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What...

pghin08
07-27-2012, 09:27 AM
Those are really strong words. We're on the decline, yes. But we're still the world's preeminent super power, and by far and away the most powerful economy that has ever existed. It's still going...

JustAlex
07-27-2012, 09:45 AM
Those are really strong words. We're on the decline, yes. But we're still the world's preeminent super power, and by far and away the most powerful economy that has ever existed. It's still going to be a while before we are supplanted. In regards to how we will be viewed historically, we'll be no different than any other hegemon.
The honest truth is that it kills me to speak this way about my country.

It's like being a fan of a really bad team....you still support them, but you almost don't want to admit it.

In the end, I'm so critical of the U.S because I see it as "Tough Love", I do love this country but it's actions only dig our holes deeper and deeper.

You should've seen me in 2008, I was so sure Obama was going to bring change and things would start getting better.....I can now admit that I drank too much Obama kool-aid, and now I just don't care anymore.

Obama or Mitt, I view both of them the same, and whoever wins the other party will play the role of obstructionists.

AUTaxMan
07-27-2012, 10:13 AM
Obama or Mitt, I view both of them the same.

Sorry you got burned by Obama in 08, but that is a very small-minded thing to say.

JustAlex
07-27-2012, 11:06 AM
Sorry you got burned by Obama in 08, but that is a very small-minded thing to say.
Yeah, see, your comment is a good example of the problem.

You believe in the false dichotomy of the two party system.....and from many of your other posts you defend your party no matter what.

I used to be like that too, thankfully not anymore.


The only way we will free ourselves from this nonsense is to ELIMINATE both parties.....have every single politician run on their OWN IDEAS, not what their parties say they want.

Their allegiance should be to the people that elected them, to the COUNTRY....NOT their parties!


But NO....that's NOT real life....in real life politicians only run to get money and power, they don't care how bad things get as long as they get re-elected and keep their power....and most of the time the only way to accomplish this is to be 100% loyal to the party, even if you don't fully agree with their ideology.

mrveggieman
07-27-2012, 11:08 AM
Yeah, see, your comment is a good example of the problem.

You believe in the false dichotomy of the two party system.....and from many of your other posts you defend your party no matter what.

I used to be like that too, thankfully not anymore.


The only way we will free ourselves from this nonsense is to ELIMINATE both parties.....have every single politician run Neutral, no more allegiance to parties!

Their allegiance should be to the people that elected them, to the COUNTRY!


But NO....that's NOT real life....in real life politicians only run to get money and power, they don't care how bad things get as long as they get re-elected and keep their power.


CHURCH!!
:love0030::love0030::love0030:

AUTaxMan
07-27-2012, 11:14 AM
Yeah, see, your comment is a good example of the problem.

You believe in the false dichotomy of the two party system.....and from many of your other posts you defend your party no matter what.

I used to be like that too, thankfully not anymore.


The only way we will free ourselves from this nonsense is to ELIMINATE both parties.....have every single politician run on their OWN IDEAS, not what their parties say they want.

Their allegiance should be to the people that elected them, to the COUNTRY....NOT their parties!


But NO....that's NOT real life....in real life politicians only run to get money and power, they don't care how bad things get as long as they get re-elected and keep their power.


You are wrong here, and you are out of line. You have admitted that you know little about politics, but you choose to criticize those who are much more educated on the issues than you are? My positions are because on reason and practicality. Yours on emotion. I defend what I believe to be the truth and the right thing to do. If that falls in line with a particular party or candidate's position, so be it, but because I share the same beliefs of a politician or party does not mean that I am beholden to them. Because I have chosen to educate myself with respect to politics, I take these positions.

And we are not getting rid of the two-party system. It is here to stay.

mrveggieman
07-27-2012, 11:25 AM
we are not getting rid of the two-party system. It is here to stay.


And this is why america will continue to produce the garbage that we call politicians and we will never be able to solve any of our social problems because the two parties will continue to point fingers at each other instead of working together for the betterment of our country.

AUTaxMan
07-27-2012, 11:29 AM
And this is why america will continue to produce the garbage that we call politicians and we will never be able to solve any of our social problems because the two parties will continue to point fingers at each other instead of working together for the betterment of our country.

No. Not if you get the right people in elected positions. The Republicans have done a good job of getting rid of much of the old guard big spenders. The Dems need to do the same.

JustAlex
07-27-2012, 11:33 AM
You are wrong here, and you are out of line. You have admitted that you know little about politics, but you choose to criticize those who are much more educated on the issues than you are?

Let me see, I want politicians to run honestly, free from party restrictions, that way we all know exactly how that person feels like on every issue....you want the status quo, which has failed miserably.....Yeah, I think I have every right to criticize you and this terrible system.

My positions are because on reason and practicality. Yours on emotion. I defend what I believe to be the truth and the right thing to do.

I defend what I believe as well, the difference is that if I believe the Democrats or Republicans are wrong I'll attack BOTH of them since I couldn't care less about the false dichotomy they have set up in this country.

If that falls in line with a particular party or candidate's position, so be it, but because I share the same beliefs of a politician or party does not mean that I am beholden to them. Because I have chosen to educate myself with respect to politics, I take these positions.

Unfortunately, that's not the way it looks like, even if you are being sincere, most of your comments when dealing with political parties seem to be that you will defend the Republicans no matter what.

And we are not getting rid of the two-party system. It is here to stay.

Which is why I say our future as a super power is over....not that I'm really that upset about that, we have not accomplished anything good while being a super power....all we do is waste billions of dollars killing people overseas while doing nothing productive for the citizens here at home.
responses in bold.

JustAlex
07-27-2012, 11:34 AM
No. Not if you get the right people in elected positions. The Republicans have done a good job of getting rid of much of the old guard big spenders. The Dems need to do the same.
LOL WOW....WOW!

Seriously, how can you believe that?

The Tea Party has invaded your party and it has made it VERY extreme and far right.

AUTaxMan
07-27-2012, 11:47 AM
You want the status quo, which has failed miserably.....

Please, tell me a little bit more about what I want. You seem to have a better understanding of it than I do.

I defend what I believe as well, the difference is that if I believe the Democrats or Republicans are wrong I'll attack BOTH of them since I couldn't care less about the false dichotomy they have set up in this country.

Are you saying that I take positions that I don't believe in merely to toe the party line?

Unfortunately, that's not the way it looks like, even if you are being sincere, most of your comments when dealing with political parties seem to be that you will defend the Republicans no matter what.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I do not defend the Republicans. I defend positions.

We have not accomplished anything good while being a super power.

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that.

JustAlex
07-27-2012, 11:51 AM
Even though both parties have been bad in these past 4 years, there's no doubt the Republicans have been the bigger embarssment.

They have allowed a FRINGE, EXTREMIST fraction (the tea party) take over and dominate their ideology.

For example, think about the fact that "ObamaCare" was originally a REPUBLICAN ideal.....but of course since they hate Obama to the core they fight it tooth and nail, even now after the SCOTUS already ruled on it.

What would you call this???



We have not accomplished anything good while being a super power.

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that.
Other than our space program care to name a few?

AUTaxMan
07-27-2012, 12:04 PM
Even though both parties have been bad in these past 4 years, there's no doubt the Republicans have been the bigger embarssment.

They have allowed a FRINGE, EXTREMIST fraction (the tea party) take over and dominate their ideology.

For example, think about the fact that "ObamaCare" was originally a REPUBLICAN ideal.....but of course since they hate Obama to the core they fight it tooth and nail, even now after the SCOTUS already ruled on it.

What would you call this???

I would call this a group of people who, not caring where Obamacare originated, want it killed because it is a financial and regulatory boondoggle, as well as an overreaching power grab by the government.

duane1969
07-27-2012, 01:02 PM
Did you even bother to listen to his speech? You toss out the partisan excuse for the standing ovation, but did you watch it? If you did and you disagre with him then what you are saying is that you...

INTIMADATOR2007
07-27-2012, 08:19 PM
The thought of Harry Reid bringing up for votes in the senate any of the 70+ bills the republicans have passed in the house is laughable . Add to that the thought of the President signing any of those laws into effect is pure hallucanagentic. If i'm not mistaken the president himself said he would not sign any bills passed by the house republicans .

shrewsbury
07-27-2012, 08:41 PM
partisanship at its finest

alex, congress has had nothing but a losing battle for 2 years, remember the dems had control for the last 2 years of bush in both the house and senate, what got done then? they controlled the house, senate, and presidential power for 2 more years, what got done?

Wickabee
07-27-2012, 09:41 PM
I would call this a group of people who, not caring where Obamacare originated, want it killed because it is a financial and regulatory boondoggle, as well as an overreaching power grab by the government.

I'm going to agree with alex on this one. The Republicans don't care about the money. It's the fact that Obama ran on healthcare that they wanted it killed so they could say, "See, he couldn't do it." Now that it's gone through they have to posture as if they want to get rid of it. Once the Republicans do get back into the Presidency you'll see nothing of the sort because it won't benefit them politically anymore.

Wickabee
07-27-2012, 09:44 PM
partisanship at its finest

alex, congress has had nothing but a losing battle for 2 years, remember the dems had control for the last 2 years of bush in both the house and senate, what got done then? they controlled the house, senate, and presidential power for 2 more years, what got done?

Absolutely. Neither party is clean and both are basically giant stubborn 6 year olds who won't give up the ball. If they'd play together things would be wonderful, but, with a major hand from the media, they have polarized your nation turning into two halves against each other.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall...Better change your name to the DSA (Divided States of America) because you haven't been united in ANY form since Clinton.

JustAlex
07-27-2012, 11:38 PM
Absolutely. Neither party is clean and both are basically giant stubborn 6 year olds who won't give up the ball. If they'd play together things would be wonderful, but, with a major hand from the media, they have polarized your nation turning into two halves against each other.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall...Better change your name to the DSA (Divided States of America) because you haven't been united in ANY form since Clinton.
It took me a long time to finally reject the Democrats.

All I want is people to work together to come to some sort of agreement to help our country.....but that is IMPOSSIBLE nowadays.

Divided States of America.....*SIGH*.....So very true :(:

MadMan1978
07-28-2012, 08:07 AM
More crap from the people trying to ruin this Country...TIME to vote them back to the 50's!

AUTaxMan
07-28-2012, 01:08 PM
The Republicans don't care about the money. It's the fact that Obama ran on healthcare that they wanted it killed so they could say, "See, he couldn't do it." Now that it's gone through they have to posture as if they want to get rid of it. Once the Republicans do get back into the Presidency you'll see nothing of the sort because it won't benefit them politically anymore.

I think there's a little to this, but I believe you're mostly wrong. I work with small business people every day (it's pretty much what I do), and most of them are against Obamacare because of (a) the overwhelming cost, (b)the slippery slope created by the individual mandate, (c) the perception that quality of coverage is going to decline without a substantial decline in premiums, and (d) the additional costs they will have to take on to comply with Obamacare. It's not because they dislike Obama. They just see the bottom line for their businesses and for their country, and they don't like it one bit. I think that the Republicans in COngress generally have the same feelings for the same reasons.

Wickabee
07-28-2012, 02:11 PM
I think there's a little to this, but I believe you're mostly wrong. I work with small business people every day (it's pretty much what I do), and most of them are against Obamacare because of (a) the overwhelming cost, (b)the slippery slope created by the individual mandate, (c) the perception that quality of coverage is going to decline without a substantial decline in premiums, and (d) the additional costs they will have to take on to comply with Obamacare. It's not because they dislike Obama. They just see the bottom line for their businesses and for their country, and they don't like it one bit. I think that the Republicans in COngress generally have the same feelings for the same reasons.

I can see all that, but I disagree. The guy running against Obama, on the platform that Obamacare sucks, is the man who came up with the idea in the first place, so how can he, or the party that chose him, really be against it?
If the only argument coming out was cost, I could believe it. However, all the, "He wants to turn us into socialists/communists really takes away from the argument of cost. It's a stupid claim that holds little water. "Slippery Slope" is an argument that comes out in every single debate, but is really only relevant in a few. At the end of the day, if those really were the concerns of the Reps in government, they would have tried to work with Obama on it instead of just blocking it. This is all just working towards regaining the white house. Everything lse, valid concern or not, is really just deflecting from that fact. Face it, you guys needed an overhaul of your medical system. For a country so righ to have such a poor health system was a crime. If Reps were really concerned about the people, they would be compromising, not blocking.

AUTaxMan
07-29-2012, 02:18 AM
I can see all that, but I disagree. The guy running against Obama, on the platform that Obamacare sucks, is the man who came up with the idea in the first place, so how can he, or the party that chose him, really be against it?
If the only argument coming out was cost, I could believe it. However, all the, "He wants to turn us into socialists/communists really takes away from the argument of cost. It's a stupid claim that holds little water. "Slippery Slope" is an argument that comes out in every single debate, but is really only relevant in a few. At the end of the day, if those really were the concerns of the Reps in government, they would have tried to work with Obama on it instead of just blocking it. This is all just working towards regaining the white house. Everything lse, valid concern or not, is really just deflecting from that fact. Face it, you guys needed an overhaul of your medical system. For a country so righ to have such a poor health system was a crime. If Reps were really concerned about the people, they would be compromising, not blocking.

Romney's platform is much more than Obamacare sucks. You can read his platform on his website. Although it is a very good system, the healthcare system needs an overhaul to get costs down, but Obamacare is NOT the answer, especially while we are in the middle of a financial crisis. Obama is not interested in compromising with the republicans, unless your definition of compromise is having the reps give but not receive any concessions.

MadMan1978
07-29-2012, 12:34 PM
Romney's platform is much more than Obamacare sucks. You can read his platform on his website. Although it is a very good system, the healthcare system needs an overhaul to get costs down, but Obamacare is NOT the answer, especially while we are in the middle of a financial crisis. Obama is not interested in compromising with the republicans, unless your definition of compromise is having the reps give but not receive any concessions.

Your right...

We forgot the part on crushing and eliminating Gay Rights
-Stripping the US Dept pf Education and any loans for the lower class- your term by the way
-gutting medicare and any healthcare outside of the Obamacare
-Raising Taxes on 18 Million middle class Americans to fund a tax cut for the rich
-Overturning Roe vs Wade
-defund planned aprenthood
-Remove any laws preordaining the paying of Birth control by a healthcare plan...(I am not sure I chose the correct wording)
-Allow the housing market collapse and let the foreclosures hit the bottom?
-Outsource Jobs to wherever as he did here In Mass as Governor

I could go on and on!

AUTaxMan
07-29-2012, 01:05 PM
Your right...

We forgot the part on crushing and eliminating Gay Rights
-Stripping the US Dept pf Education and any loans for the lower class- Yuur term by the way
-gutting medicare and any healthcare outside of the Obamacare
-Raising Taxes on 18 Million middle class Americans to fund a tax cut for the rich

I could go on and on!

please substantiate your claims. if they are true, I want to see a source for them.

Wickabee
07-29-2012, 01:11 PM
Romney's platform is much more than Obamacare sucks. You can read his platform on his website.
Tell me something I don't know. I know he has more than one issue on his platform, but that's a major one. I think you're being deliberately obtuse here. Either that or quietly trying to discredit me by claiming I think that's the only thing in his platform. Either way, I don't appreciate it.


Although it is a very good system, the healthcare system needs an overhaul to get costs down, but Obamacare is NOT the answer, especially while we are in the middle of a financial crisis. Obama is not interested in compromising with the republicans, unless your definition of compromise is having the reps give but not receive any concessions.

It doesn't need an overhaul to cut costs, it needs an overhaul to get better. You're the wealthiest country in the world and your health care ranks where? The fact you're more worried about the cost than the fact you're behind Costa Rica, Chile, Columbia, Oman and the UAE is alarming.

AUTaxMan
07-29-2012, 01:49 PM
Tell me something I don't know. I know he has more than one issue on his platform, but that's a major one. I think you're being deliberately obtuse here. Either that or quietly trying to discredit me by claiming I think that's the only thing in his platform. Either way, I don't appreciate it.

It doesn't need an overhaul to cut costs, it needs an overhaul to get better. You're the wealthiest country in the world and your health care ranks where? The fact you're more worried about the cost than the fact you're behind Costa Rica, Chile, Columbia, Oman and the UAE is alarming.

You said that he's running on the platform that Obamacare sucks. You should be more specific if you dont want to be misinterpreted.

Who is ranking the healthcare system? What criteria go into ranking it? How does Obamacare make it better? At what cost? Can we afford it?

Wickabee
07-29-2012, 04:35 PM
You said that he's running on the platform that Obamacare sucks. You should be more specific if you dont want to be misinterpreted.
You should put more thought into what's being said.
You should stop pretending everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.
You should realize the context that "running on a platform of..." is not going to be followed by every single portion of the platform.
You should give some credit and allow real conversation instead of continually using semantics when it is not necessary...oh wait, you still think Obama said you didn't build your business and wasn't talking about the roads and bridges he referenced immediately before that. Nevermind, you'll obviously never stop with the ridiculous semantics. Which is sad, and why your country is failing miserably.


Who is ranking the healthcare system?
The United Nations


What criteria go into ranking it?
The United Nations'


How does Obamacare make it better?
Well, it couldn't make it any worse.


At what cost? Can we afford it?
I'm not entirely sure, but you're the wealthiest nation on the planet, how can you not?