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jessejordan419
07-30-2012, 09:01 PM
I seek no Glory for myself. I only seek Glory for The Father. I have no pride in myself. I only have Pride in the Fact that I am Saved by the Blood of Jesus, and ""by Grace we are Saved, not through works, so that no man can boast"". I do no judge, that is for Jesus, who was given that responsibility by the Father. I only seek to bring others to that Saving Grace through Christ Jesus. I only seek Truth.

1. The reason God sent the 1st Flood, a Flood of Water. The same reasons God will send the 2nd Flood, a Selective Flood, and a Flood of Fire.

"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Genesis 6:5)

“The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.” (Genesis 6:11-13


The Nephilim

Genesis 6:1-22
When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ...

Numbers 13:30-33
But Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, “Let us go up at once and occupy it, for we are well able to overcome it.” Then the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we are.” So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying, “The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”


The Nephilim survived The Flood:

Pre-Flood:
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. – Genesis 6:4

The Flood:
Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark. – Genesis 7:23

Post-Flood:
“There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.” – Numbers 13:33


Roughly their size. For those who need to be spoon fed how many feet a cubit is, google it.

Deuteronomy 3:11
(For only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. Behold, his bed was a bed of iron. Is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Nine cubits was its length, and four cubits its breadth, according to the common cubit.)





Noah's Story:


Gen. 6:9 These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, [g] blameless in his [h]time; Noah walked with God. 10 Noah [i]became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Gen. 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.

Gen. 6:13 Then God said to Noah, “ The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth. 14 Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall [j]cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred [k]cubits, its breadth fifty [l]cubits, and its height thirty [m]cubits. 16 You shall make a [n]window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from [o]the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish. 18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. 21 As for you, take for yourself some of all food which is edible, and gather it to yourself; and it shall be for food for you and for them.” 22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God had commanded him, so he did.


How long did it take to build the Ark:

This issue is very debatable. Some say the 120 years God describes as the start of Noah's preaching and building of the Ark. Some say 99 years because Noah was first mentioned in the bible at the noted age of 500 and entered the ark at 600.

I have heard a preacher say he built it for hundreds of years, although I don't remember who, and I wish I did so I could download that sermon.



The Flood

7 Then the Lord said to Noah, “Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this [a]time. 2 You shall take with you of every clean animal [c]by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female; 3 also of the birds of the [d]sky, [e]by sevens, male and female, to keep [f]offspring alive on the face of all the earth. 4 For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made.” 5 Noah did according to all that the Lord had commanded him.

6 Now Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of water [g]came upon the earth. 7 Then Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him entered the ark because of the water of the flood. 8 Of clean animals and animals that are not clean and birds and everything that creeps on the ground, 9 there went into the ark to Noah [h]by twos, male and female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 It came about after the seven days, that the water of the flood [i]came upon the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the [j]floodgates of the sky were opened. 12 The rain [k]fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights.

13 On the very same day Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark, 14 they and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after [l]their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, [m]all sorts of birds. 15 So they went into the ark to Noah, by twos of all flesh in which was the breath of life. 16 Those that entered, male and female of all flesh, entered as God had commanded him; and the Lord closed it behind him.

17 Then the flood [n]came upon the earth for forty days, and the water increased and lifted up the ark, so that it rose above the earth. 18 The water prevailed and increased greatly upon the earth, and the ark [o]floated on the [p]surface of the water. 19 The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains [q]everywhere under the heavens were covered. 20 The water prevailed fifteen [r]cubits higher, and the mountains were covered. 21 All flesh that [s]moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind; 22 of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died. 23 Thus He blotted out [t]every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark. 24 The water prevailed upon the earth one hundred and fifty days.


[B]The Flood Subsides

8 But God remembered Noah and all the beasts and all the cattle that were with him in the ark; and God caused a wind to pass over the earth, and the water subsided. 2 Also the fountains of the deep and the [a]floodgates of the sky were closed, and the rain from the sky was restrained; 3 and the water receded steadily from the earth, and at the end of one hundred and fifty days the water decreased. 4 In the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat..............the earth was dry. 15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 “Go out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and your sons’ wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you, birds and animals and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, that they may [i] breed abundantly on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth.” 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him. 19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every bird, everything that moves on the earth, went out [j]by their families from the ark.

20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 The Lord smelled the soothing aroma; and the Lord said [k]to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the [l]intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again [m]destroy every living thing, as I have done.


God's Promise to never destroy the whole Earth again.

22 “While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
And cold and heat,
And summer and winter,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”

The rainbow was a sign of this Covenant.





[U]Wickedness:

Gen. 9:18 Now the sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem and Ham and Japheth; and Ham was the father of Canaan. 19 These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was [i]populated.

20 Then Noah began [j]farming and planted a vineyard. 21 He drank of the wine and became drunk, and uncovered himself inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it upon both their shoulders and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were [k]turned away, so that they did not see their father’s nakedness. 24 When Noah awoke from his wine, he knew what his youngest son had done to him. 25 So he said,

“ Cursed be Canaan;
[l] A servant of servants
He shall be to his brothers.”
26 He also said,

“ Blessed be the Lord,
The God of Shem;
And let Canaan be [m]his servant.
27 “ May God enlarge Japheth,
And let him dwell in the tents of Shem;
And let Canaan be [n]his servant.”
28 Noah lived three hundred and fifty years after the flood. 29 So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years, and he died.

This is why Canaan was cursed, and eventually God ordered the killing of every man, woman, and child of Canaan by Israel. Canaanites sacrificed their own children to pagan gods, as well as other wickedness. Melchezidek was the seed of Shem, king-priest of Salem.



Jude 1:6-7
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

jessejordan419
07-30-2012, 09:07 PM
Unnatural desire is the desire of a man for another man, or a woman for another woman. Sexual immorality is adultery and fornication.

Now how many Americans, and the rest of the world for that matter, are consumed by unnatural desire, and sexual immorality?

Now how much of the world is consumed with violence and wickedness, ""so that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually""?

mrveggieman
07-31-2012, 08:10 AM
Unnatural desire is the desire of a man for another man, or a woman for another woman. Sexual immorality is adultery and fornication.

Now how many Americans, and the rest of the world for that matter, are consumed by unnatural desire, and sexual immorality?

Now how much of the world is consumed with violence and wickedness, ""so that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually""?


I actually agree with you that homosexuality is immoral in God's eyes. However everyone does not believe in God the same way or even believe in him at all and should not be subject to laws that are based on a religion that one does not believe in and have no secular purpose.

Tivo32
07-31-2012, 11:21 AM
I seek no Glory for myself. I only seek Glory for The Father. I have no pride in myself. I only have Pride in the Fact that I am Saved by the Blood of Jesus, and ""by Grace we are Saved, not through works, so that no man can boast"". I do no judge, that is for Jesus, who was given that responsibility by the Father. I only seek to bring others to that Saving Grace through Christ Jesus. I only seek Truth.

What does all this accomplish? I don't understand. I, too, would love for people come to understand and know deep within their soul that they are loved by a God in heaven who sent Jesus Christ, His son, to earth to save humanity.

But what does arguing and with people who have not yet learned that do? I look throughout the Gospel and I see Jesus Christ as an example of love and grace. The people he was most harsh with were the religious. The Pharisees and the people who thought they had all the answers. That's you and I bud. Jesus was most stern and most harsh with people like us.

If people have questions then by all means do your best to try and answer them. That's what Jesus did. He did not sit around and debate and argue. Unless I'm reading the wrong Bible.

Wickabee
07-31-2012, 12:38 PM
Jesse, honest question in the same vein as TiVo's:
Why is it necessary to add things like this:

For those who need to be spoon fed how many feet a cubit is, google it.

How do you expect anyone to listen to you or take you seriously if you insult the reader. I can't remember how many feet a cubit is. I could google it, but after that little "spoon fed" comment, there's no reason to because there's no reason to respond to you in this thread. Anything I say is likely to come back with an insult, veiled or otherwise. I think you're a smart guy. I think you have a lot of interesting ideas. I think you are your own worst enemy. Constantly throwing insults around makes you not worth reading. If you could get through a post without being so insulting it would be a different story.

You could have googled it, quickly put the info in but you just had to throw an insult out there.

jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 03:42 PM
The Pharisees and Sadducees had replaced the Law of Moses with their own. I do no such thing, I am showing the Truth about the story of Noah and the Flood to counter someone's posting of a lie about...

jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 03:44 PM
Jesse, honest question in the same vein as TiVo's:
Why is it necessary to add things like this:


How do you expect anyone to listen to you or take you seriously if you insult the reader. I can't remember how many feet a cubit is. I could google it, but after that little "spoon fed" comment, there's no reason to because there's no reason to respond to you in this thread. Anything I say is likely to come back with an insult, veiled or otherwise. I think you're a smart guy. I think you have a lot of interesting ideas. I think you are your own worst enemy. Constantly throwing insults around makes you not worth reading. If you could get through a post without being so insulting it would be a different story.

You could have googled it, quickly put the info in but you just had to throw an insult out there.


Please don't ask me any more questions. I will discontinue "debating" with you any further. You have thrown so many assumptions, insults, false accusations, etc. my way that I have allowed my tongue to get the better of me. Please do not contact me by pm any more either. If you have questions, you can ask others.

Wickabee
07-31-2012, 04:09 PM
Please don't ask me any more questions. I will discontinue "debating" with you any further. You have thrown so many assumptions, insults, false accusations, etc. my way that I have allowed my tongue to get the better of me. Please do not contact me by pm any more either. If you have questions, you can ask others.

How can you discontinue something you haven't started? I'm seriously asking if you think insulting people is the way to change thinking and show them the truth. I would love to hear what you have to say but just can't get past constantly being insulted by you. I've made no assumption in my previous post. I want to know the truth behind your posts. I want to know if insulting people is how you attempt to reach them.

I'm not trying to trip you up. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm not going to call you stupid. I'm not trying to deflect anything. I don't know how to be more clear about this, but your preconceived notions of me are wrong, as mine were of you. I don't see the need for you to continue being so insulting to so many people. I'm trying to be cordial and get actual dialogue going. That is impossible, however, when the only reply given over and over is just accusations with no actual substance.

In short, you've got me all wrong, as I did you. Now you just need to admit that and move on, as I have already done.
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jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 05:07 PM
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Ignore.

Ignoring anything you have to say to me. I will say this again: If you have questions, ask someone else. I am refusing to argue with you anymore.

Wickabee
07-31-2012, 05:11 PM
Well, I tried. Some people are just stubborn I guess.

jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 07:23 PM
Well, I tried. Some people are just stubborn I guess.

Thank you for the free bumps. I will refuse to drop to your level of name calling.

Wickabee
07-31-2012, 07:28 PM
You never called me a Democrat? You never called me a blind follower of Obama? You never called me an agent of "The Great Liar"?

1 - You need to re-evaluate exactly who is on what level.

2 - Do not respond to my posts if you are only going to insult me. If you want discourse, I'm all for it. If you're going to continue insulting me while adding nothing to the actual conversation, the way you have for the past few days, then don't bother. I've been called worse by better.