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Kosmo kards
07-31-2012, 03:47 PM
LMK and all of us know who you plan to vote for this November and post why.

Just want to see what other people than myself think, because we all have different beliefs and opinions about the solutions of the nation's future.

mrveggieman
07-31-2012, 03:54 PM
Im going with Obama because quite frankly I don't believe that romney can do any better. As a matter of fact he will make things much worse. He is running on the campaign platform that he will appeal obamacare. He is basically saying that I have my own taxpayer fiananced insurance but I am going to repeal your (the taxpayer's) insurance. It looks like he is only out for himself and the rich and is completely out of touch with the common working man which is the backbone of our society. He is a clown as far as I am concerned.

jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 06:30 PM
I plan to either write in Ron Paul, or Yeshua Hamaschia in the hopes that Jesus will come back and reign over the Earth. I refuse to vote for 2 sides of the same coin. Republicrats and Democans.

Kosmo kards
07-31-2012, 06:35 PM
Im going with Obama because quite frankly I don't believe that romney can do any better. As a matter of fact he will make things much worse. He is running on the campaign platform that he will appeal obamacare. He is basically saying that I have my own taxpayer fiananced insurance but I am going to repeal your (the taxpayer's) insurance. It looks like he is only out for himself and the rich and is completely out of touch with the common working man which is the backbone of our society. He is a clown as far as I am concerned.


I still can't believe Romney is the best the republicans can do. As soon as I heard Huckabee wasn't running I knew there would be no one else.

Kosmo kards
07-31-2012, 06:39 PM
I plan to either write in Ron Paul, or Yeshua Hamaschia in the hopes that Jesus will come back and reign over the Earth. I refuse to vote for 2 sides of the same coin. Republicrats and Democans.


Ron Paul does have some good ideas, but some bad ones as well. Probably better than Romney and Obama though. Don't bank on jesus coming back though.

Wickabee
07-31-2012, 06:55 PM
I plan to either write in Ron Paul, or Yeshua Hamaschia in the hopes that Jesus will come back and reign over the Earth. I refuse to vote for 2 sides of the same coin. Republicrats and Democans.

Honestly, were I American, I would seriously think about doing that myself.

jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 08:33 PM
Ron Paul does have some good ideas, but some bad ones as well. Probably better than Romney and Obama though. Don't bank on jesus coming back though.


Curious as to what you think Ron Paul's bad ideas are?

jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 08:37 PM
Im going with Obama because quite frankly I don't believe that romney can do any better. As a matter of fact he will make things much worse. He is running on the campaign platform that he will appeal obamacare. He is basically saying that I have my own taxpayer fiananced insurance but I am going to repeal your (the taxpayer's) insurance. It looks like he is only out for himself and the rich and is completely out of touch with the common working man which is the backbone of our society. He is a clown as far as I am concerned.


How can Romney do much worse? obama is enacting the forceful destruction of America. I agree they both work for the same puppet masters, but at least Romney will not force communism down everyone's throat.


Please explain how taxpayer financed insurance will be better than the best private insurance and healthcare system in the world was. 85% of doctors are now thinking of retiring or leaving the medical field. Everything the government runs, it runs into the ground. Death panels are already in the works, and there is testimony by neuro-surgeons to that very fact. Everyone 70 and older will be given "comfort care", which is the refusal of expensive surgeries in favor of pain killers to help you "die peacefully".

How is this a good thing again?

jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 08:42 PM
It looks like he is only out for himself and the rich and is completely out of touch with the common working man which is the backbone of our society. He is a clown as far as I am concerned.

Exactly how is obama out for the "working man"? I am that working man, and he is crushing private enterprise, which is the backbone of our society. Union thuggery, coercion, and theft of dues only seeks to enrich those who run the unions. When unions go on strike, who do the bosses side with? These days it's NEVER the working man, they seek to enrich themselves by siding with management.

Unions force others into a system against their will. Non-union members are forced to pay dues to enrich union bosses and have no choice in union-run states. Just look at Texas and you can see how Right-To-Work states are the one's succeeding. Unions ruined Detroit, the auto companies, and American Manufacturing. You can claim "outsourcing" all you want, the reason for outsourcing is the ridiculously high rates that unions force onto companies, which is far higher than the rates for non-union companies in Right-To-Work states.

Kosmo kards
07-31-2012, 09:12 PM
Not a problem. First off Ron Paul is a Libertarian, which is the exact opposite of socialism and just as dangerous and it's one of those thinks that sounds good on paper, but would never work. There would basically be no gevernment all, zero government regulation on anything is just as dangerous as too much government regulation. Zero money to schools and road construction is not a good thing. Plus I feel that Ron Paul is too flakey at times and if something he puts into place doesn't work right away, I don't fully trust him to stick with it and I wouldn't be too surprised to see him change it right away. Also he has stated he wants to get rid of the IRS and Federal Reserve but he has never come out and said (at least to my knowledge) what he plans to have in place after he gets rid of the IRS and Federal Reserve.

My opinion is that the most important job of the government and the president is to sustain the balance the powere of big business and big government. Neither one can become too powerful.

The good things about Ron Paul is he truly understands our crisis about the national debt and the danger of inflation and the fact that the govenment can't just print money when they see fit. Plus he leaves issues to the individual. I hate it when people vote for a candidate because he/she is pro-life or pro-choice. It makes no difference what the president thinks on those issues, it's nothing more than distracting people from real issues.

I will say that Ron Paul is better than Idiot 1 and Idiot 2

jessejordan419
07-31-2012, 10:52 PM
Not a problem. First off Ron Paul is a Libertarian, which is the exact opposite of socialism and just as dangerous and it's one of those thinks that sounds good on paper, but would never work. There would basically be no gevernment all, zero government regulation on anything is just as dangerous as too much government regulation. Zero money to schools and road construction is not a good thing. Plus I feel that Ron Paul is too flakey at times and if something he puts into place doesn't work right away, I don't fully trust him to stick with it and I wouldn't be too surprised to see him change it right away. Also he has stated he wants to get rid of the IRS and Federal Reserve but he has never come out and said (at least to my knowledge) what he plans to have in place after he gets rid of the IRS and Federal Reserve.

My opinion is that the most important job of the government and the president is to sustain the balance the powere of big business and big government. Neither one can become too powerful.

The good things about Ron Paul is he truly understands our crisis about the national debt and the danger of inflation and the fact that the govenment can't just print money when they see fit. Plus he leaves issues to the individual. I hate it when people vote for a candidate because he/she is pro-life or pro-choice. It makes no difference what the president thinks on those issues, it's nothing more than distracting people from real issues.

I will say that Ron Paul is better than Idiot 1 and Idiot 2

Liberterianism gets confused with anarchy. Liberterianism wants limited Federal government, and that governed by the Constitution. The States get the right to choose how it's citizenry is governed, and that gives the people the option to move to the State that is closest to their belief system.

Schools should only be funded by the States, the Federal Government has absolutely ruined the school system. The only country that spends more per student is Switzerland, and yet American students are some of the dumbest in the 1st World. The National Teachers Association should be totally eliminated, as well as many other unConstitutional Federal Departments. And by the way, "No Child Left Behind" is an absolute joke! It dumbs all students down to the lowest common denominator, but that is the goal so that the citizenry is left uneducated, thereby allowing the Federal Government to institute all sorts of tyranny on the citizenry, and call it "inspiring" names like, "the Affordable Care Act", which will be anything but.

These are the jobs for the States.

The IRS is unconstitutional, as well as the Federal Reserve System. There is nothing to replace the IRS with, because the Federal Government is SUPPOSED to raise it's taxes from the States. It's the State's responsibility to figure out how to raise the tax to send to Washington. The IRS is an illegal theft racket, they illegally write laws(which is the job of the Legislature), and you have almost no recourse against them. The "Federal Income Tax" is a lie, because only a corporation can have income, and that is Revenue Minus Expenses. A head tax is unconstitutional, and the IRS constantly breaks laws such as, sending threats through the mail system(illegal), and many other tactics that are illegal.

The slaughtering of innocent lives may not mean much to you, but I can assure you it means a great deal to the Creator who Created those lives. I will give it to you that these social issues are brought up at unnecessary times to derail debate on other issues, but they do make quite a difference.

It is not the Federal Governments job to build roads and bridges. Politicians use this to give the citizenry the illusion of "job creation", and as a "throwing a bone" to the unions to buy votes.

It is the job of the States to build their own roads, and each State has the right to figure that out.

The Federal Government uses the "Interstate Commerce" clause as a power grab to take every right possible from the States. Now people will claim that of all these states have different types of roads, they won't allow free and easy travel. Something which the Interstate System has allowed. It would then be the Federal Government's responsibility to create the guidelines on how these types of roads could be built between the states, but the Federal Government has usurped it's given powers in these matters.

My examples:
The Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska
California high speed rail - that no one will use
Other high speed rail projects nationwide that are "pet projects" of Politicians to help "create jobs" in their states, returning money stolen from citizens of other states to fund projects in their state. This is communism/socialism/whatever you want to call it.


The President's job is to enforce the laws the Legislation writes, or veto those laws, and to act as the diplomatic head of state worldwide. That is all.

If Big Business is supposed to be kept from being too big, then why do politicians protect and fund them with your tax dollars because they are "too big to fail"?



The Federal Governments powers are very limited and specific, and everything else is supposed to be the job of the States. However, the Federal Government has stolen these powers by the "Interstate Commerce" clause, which has been interpreted to allow the Federal Government the power to do basically anything it wants.