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MadMan1978
08-04-2012, 09:40 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/30/lazy/

boba
08-04-2012, 10:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI

habsheaven
08-04-2012, 11:11 AM
I didn't need a study to tell me that. I've known it for years.

shrewsbury
08-04-2012, 11:15 AM
starting this are we?

holding on to traditions and culture is now lazy? if it was the easy way why to we have to spend so much time fighting for them? if we were lazy why would we not just bend and change to what other want? that would require less effort and lazy people don't put forth effort.

JustAlex
08-04-2012, 11:26 AM
HAHA.....Breaking news.....Water is wet and Fire is hot!

LOL!

duane1969
08-04-2012, 11:26 AM
Liberals complain that conservatives are just a bunch of rich snobs holding down others.
Liberals complain that conservative values control and dictate everything.
Liberals complain that conservative ideals keep people from living their lives the way that they want.

So apprently the lazy thinkers are rich, in control of everything, and get everything the way they want it. What does that say about the non-lazy liberal thinkers?

MadMan1978
08-04-2012, 11:30 AM
Liberals complain that conservatives are just a bunch of rich snobs holding down others.
Liberals complain that conservative values control and dictate everything.
Liberals complain that conservative ideals keep people from living their lives the way that they want.

So apparently the lazy thinkers are rich, in control of everything, and get everything the way they want it. What does that say about the non-lazy liberal thinkers?

They trusted too many Teapublicans

mikesilvia
08-04-2012, 12:57 PM
Much like the Dark Knight killer was a tea party member. :)

Maybe that site could put $5 into it and get a RSS feed Michael? Or is it just the "lazy" liberal web programmer? :)

drtom2005
08-04-2012, 01:08 PM
Liberals complain that conservatives are just a bunch of rich snobs holding down others.
Liberals complain that conservative values control and dictate everything.
Liberals complain that conservative ideals keep people from living their lives the way that they want.


So apprently the lazy thinkers are rich, in control of everything, and get everything the way they want it. What does that say about the non-lazy liberal thinkers?


Non-lazy liberal thinkers are a minority group. There are several studies that show an inverse correlation with intellignece and amount of money made(The smarter you are, the less money you make). Of course, the term smarter is not well defined.

You can look at universities and companies. Most PhDs in companies do the primary research. They do not get paid as much as the CEO, which may have an MBA sometimes.

You could look at athletes. Do those guys really need all of the money and do they deserve it?

I think this shows something of what humans value over anything else(in general), averageness.

Wickabee
08-04-2012, 01:14 PM
Liberals complain that conservatives are just a bunch of rich snobs holding down others.
Liberals complain that conservative values control and dictate everything.
Liberals complain that conservative ideals keep people from living their lives the way that they want.

So apprently the lazy thinkers are rich, in control of everything, and get everything the way they want it. What does that say about the non-lazy liberal thinkers?

They're made up of the people while conservatives are the elite.

drtom2005
08-04-2012, 01:26 PM
Much like the Dark Knight killer was a tea party member. :)

Maybe that site could put $5 into it and get a RSS feed Michael? Or is it just the "lazy" liberal web programmer? :)

The dark knight killer had an untreated mental problem. I would bet money that someone abused him along the way. Your comparsion is null and void.

duane1969
08-04-2012, 01:36 PM
They're made up of the people while conservatives are the elite.

Entirely untrue. Mississippi, Lousianna, Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Indiana, Maine, Arizona, Kansas and Missouri are 15 of the 20 poorest states in America and are longtime conservative strongholds. If the poor people are liberals then these states should be liberal strongholds, not conservative strongholds.

Wickabee
08-04-2012, 01:42 PM
Entirely untrue. Mississippi, Lousianna, Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Indiana, Maine, Arizona, Kansas and Missouri are 15 of the 20 poorest states in America and are longtime conservative strongholds. If the poor people are liberals then these states should be liberal strongholds, not conservative strongholds.

The elite control the stupid. I'll still never understand how so many everyday people vote for the reps. Wealthy politicians that want those everyday people to pay 100% of the nations taxes.

ensbergcollector
08-04-2012, 01:58 PM
The elite control the stupid. I'll still never understand how so many everyday people vote for the reps. Wealthy politicians that want those everyday people to pay 100% of the nations taxes.

wow, i don't want to read into anything but did you really just say that if poor people vote republican then they are stupid and being controlled?

i am between lower and middle class and i typically vote republican. does that make me stupid or controlled? or does it make me someone who thinks everyone should pay and not just the top 1%?

mikesilvia
08-04-2012, 02:04 PM
The dark knight killer had an untreated mental problem. I would bet money that someone abused him along the way. Your comparsion is null and void.

Are you the null and void judge?

Wickabee
08-04-2012, 02:16 PM
wow, i don't want to read into anything but did you really just say that if poor people vote republican then they are stupid and being controlled?

i am between lower and middle class and i typically vote republican. does that make me stupid or controlled? or does it make me someone who thinks everyone should pay and not just the top 1%?

I never said you're stupid, I said I'll never understand you. I'll never understand people who run for fun either, I don't think they're stupid.
And no one is saying only the top 1% should pay everything, but loopholes need to be closed and money needs to be brought back to the US instead of sitting offshore. The Republicans will never do that because it effects their personal bottom lines. But they'll tell you that the wealth will "trickle down" and help everyone.

duane1969
08-04-2012, 02:22 PM
I never said you're stupid, I said I'll never understand you. I'll never understand people who run for fun either, I don't think they're stupid.
And no one is saying only the top 1% should pay everything, but loopholes need to be closed and money needs to be brought back to the US instead of sitting offshore. The Republicans will never do that because it effects their personal bottom lines. But they'll tell you that the wealth will "trickle down" and help everyone.

So you think that the only people with millions sitting off-shore is rich Republicans? The only people who use tax loopholes and deductions are wealthy conservatives? Come on.

If wealth doesn't "trickle down" from the wealthy then where does it come from? Name one person that got rich from cashing entitlement handout checks. Show me one person that became a millionaire by drawing unemployment. Wealth is not given, it is earned. Give a person with the desire to succeed a job with a chance to climb the ladder and I will show you someone who will be wealthier in a few years than they are right now. Give a person a welfare check with no chance to succeed and I will show you a person in a few years that is still drawing welfare.

Wickabee
08-04-2012, 02:41 PM
So you think that the only people with millions sitting off-shore is rich Republicans? The only people who use tax loopholes and deductions are wealthy conservatives? Come on.

If wealth doesn't "trickle down" from the wealthy then where does it come from? Name one person that got rich from cashing entitlement handout checks. Show me one person that became a millionaire by drawing unemployment. Wealth is not given, it is earned. Give a person with the desire to succeed a job with a chance to climb the ladder and I will show you someone who will be wealthier in a few years than they are right now. Give a person a welfare check with no chance to succeed and I will show you a person in a few years that is still drawing welfare.

If you think success is tied strictly measured in monetary wealth, I can't help you.
If you think everyone who draws from welfar wants to, I can't help you.
If You think helping someone automatically makes you dependent, I can't help you (and you shouldn't want me to).

Lose these misconceptions and maybe we can talk. Until you and every other conservative realize none of that is true, I can't talk to you about this because we're dealing in different sets of truths.
I agree, the ones who do want to be on welfare need to be weeded out, but that doesn't mean slashing government programs, that will actually make the problem of people undeservedly drawing off those programs because you've laid off everyone who's job it is to find and weed out these people. I'll agree they're not doing a very good job now, but simply cutting everything out until there's nothing for everyone is only caring about the wealthier of the nation.

duane1969
08-04-2012, 03:04 PM
If you think success is tied strictly measured in monetary wealth, I can't help you.
If you think everyone who draws from welfar wants to, I can't help you.
If You think helping someone automatically makes you dependent, I can't help you (and you shouldn't want me to).

Lose these misconceptions and maybe we can talk. Until you and every other conservative realize none of that is true, I can't talk to you about this because we're dealing in different sets of truths.
I agree, the ones who do want to be on welfare need to be weeded out, but that doesn't mean slashing government programs, that will actually make the problem of people undeservedly drawing off those programs because you've laid off everyone who's job it is to find and weed out these people. I'll agree they're not doing a very good job now, but simply cutting everything out until there's nothing for everyone is only caring about the wealthier of the nation.

I am guessing you have never drawn welfare and tried to get off of it. The welfare system is designed to keep those who are on it, on it. If you earn $200 at a part time job then they take away $200 in welfare benefits. There is no chance to start getting ahead. You either get a good enough paying job to "quit cold turkey" or you never get off of it. welfare is not designed to facilitate "cold turkey".

What's more, the current process of "tax 'em til it hurts" is making it even worse. So what if people who are on welfare get a degree? Now they are highly educated and unemployed. Thanks to a tax system that leeches ever red cent it can out of the business owners and wealthy investors the workforce is overstocked. Who is going to hire a fresh-out-of-college person with a BA/BS when there are people with an MBA and 20 years of experience looking for work and applying for the same jobs?

Education does not equal employment. Jobs equals employment. And with 36% of our population unemployed it is hard to imagine how taxing the wealthy and business owners into the ground is going to make it better.

MadMan1978
08-04-2012, 03:24 PM
I am guessing you have never drawn welfare and tried to get off of it. The welfare system is designed to keep those who are on it, on it. If you earn $200 at a part time job then they take away $200 in welfare benefits. There is no chance to start getting ahead. You either get a good enough paying job to "quit cold turkey" or you never get off of it. welfare is not designed to facilitate "cold turkey".

What's more, the current process of "tax 'em til it hurts" is making it even worse. So what if people who are on welfare get a degree? Now they are highly educated and unemployed. Thanks to a tax system that leeches ever red cent it can out of the business owners and wealthy investors the workforce is overstocked. Who is going to hire a fresh-out-of-college person with a BA/BS when there are people with an MBA and 20 years of experience looking for work and applying for the same jobs?

Education does not equal employment. Jobs equals employment. And with 36% of our population unemployed it is hard to imagine how taxing the wealthy and business owners into the ground is going to make it better.

Duane it appears that you HAVENT a CLUE what you are talking about...

Wasnt in back during the Newt Days the Welfare reform was push down our throats with the Contract on America?

I do know here in mass you have 2 years to find work or such or you disqualified. Means you have 2 years to obtains some needed skills for the work force.

So when are you moving Duane?
and what cloud do you pull these numbers from????
wow

good thing you like the Steelers.....

MadMan1978
08-04-2012, 03:27 PM
Much like the Dark Knight killer was a tea party member. :)

Maybe that site could put $5 into it and get a RSS feed Michael? Or is it just the "lazy" liberal web programmer? :)

Sorry gave that 5 bucks to animal who require special surgery...vet bill will be around 4000

see my FB wall for reference

Wickabee
08-04-2012, 03:27 PM
I am guessing you have never drawn welfare and tried to get off of it.
You guess correctly. However, I did grow up in a house that depended on welfare checks for a time. Funny thing, no more welfare checks are going there and haven't for about 25 years now.


The welfare system is designed to keep those who are on it, on it. If you earn $200 at a part time job then they take away $200 in welfare benefits. There is no chance to start getting ahead. You either get a good enough paying job to "quit cold turkey" or you never get off of it. welfare is not designed to facilitate "cold turkey".
Well, like I said, I've seen it go cold turkey. Are you suggesting people should be getting ahead on welfare? That sounds like Democrat talk to me. Welfare is meant to be supplimentary and temporary. If people are under the impression you should be able to actually make money on welfare, maybe it's not the system.
I'll also ask you, who's idea do you think it was to take that $200 away? Was it the "Spend nothing on social programs" Republicans or the "Let's waste money on the poor" Democrats?
And if welfare did get the user ahead, would you not be screaming that it's designed not just to help, but people can actually gain wealth off it?


What's more, the current process of "tax 'em til it hurts" is making it even worse. So what if people who are on welfare get a degree? Now they are highly educated and unemployed. Thanks to a tax system that leeches ever red cent it can out of the business owners and wealthy investors the workforce is overstocked. Who is going to hire a fresh-out-of-college person with a BA/BS when there are people with an MBA and 20 years of experience looking for work and applying for the same jobs?
When conservatives see someone on welfare, they say, "Should have worked harder. Should have gotten an education." Now you're telling me that when they get an education it's worthless? Does that education not give them a better chance at a job? Do you need 100% guarantees that person will get a job? Sounds like socialism to me.


Education does not equal employment. Jobs equals employment. And with 36% of our population unemployed it is hard to imagine how taxing the wealthy and business owners into the ground is going to make it better.

No, but a lack of education leads to a lack of employment more often than education leads to a lack of unemployment. But you didn't think of that did you. Lazy, lazy lazy...(tongue in cheek)

MadMan1978
08-04-2012, 03:28 PM
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really ? lol

good topic!

Wickabee
08-04-2012, 03:29 PM
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really ? lol

good topic!

There is no problem. North Carolina passed a law, so we're all safe now.

MadMan1978
08-04-2012, 03:39 PM
There is no problem. North Carolina passed a law, so we're all safe now.

Thank god(if there is one) i was so worried!

drtom2005
08-04-2012, 05:45 PM
Are you the null and void judge?

I just like pointing out false correlations. Of course, most people on this site will ignore studies with evidence and just go on "common sense," right?

Wickabee
08-04-2012, 05:47 PM
I just like pointing out false correlations. Of course, most people on this site will ignore studies with evidence and just go on common sense, right?

I don't know about that very last part, but the rest seems pretty close.

ensbergcollector
08-04-2012, 10:15 PM
If you think success is tied strictly measured in monetary wealth, I can't help you.
If you think everyone who draws from welfar wants to, I can't help you.
If You think helping someone automatically makes you dependent, I can't help you (and you shouldn't want me to).



if you think no one who is on welfare wants to be, I can't help you.
If you don't think helping someone who doesn't need help makes you a dependent then I can't help you.


You say you don't understand me and people like me who continue to vote republican. I currently pay next to zero in taxes after child credit. While I love getting a tax return, if taxes need to go up, i fully expect to pay my fair share. I don't think any tax increase needs to belong to the rich only. If I am benefiting from the "system" why should I not be paying into the system? Why should someone who is wealthy give me anything?
I did not grow up with money. I paid for every penny of college myself and have never taken a hand-out from anyone. I do not thinking helping people is wrong, i have done so numerous times. I think helping people who don't need the help is wrong and creates dependence.

Wickabee
08-04-2012, 11:45 PM
if you think no one who is on welfare wants to be, I can't help you.
I think no such thing.


If you don't think helping someone who doesn't need help makes you a dependent then I can't help you.
I said those people need to be weeded out. Welfare is temporary to get you through when you have no earning power. It is not a legitimate "income". I've never said otherwise. But hey, who needs to read.


You say you don't understand me and people like me who continue to vote republican. I currently pay next to zero in taxes after child credit. While I love getting a tax return, if taxes need to go up, i fully expect to pay my fair share. I don't think any tax increase needs to belong to the rich only. If I am benefiting from the "system" why should I not be paying into the system? Why should someone who is wealthy give me anything?
Well do you have a job? Are you supporting yourself? Do you need help?
If the answers went yes, yes, no, then there's no reason for anyone to give you anything. I'm not saying raise taxes on the rich and I never have. I'm saying close the loopholes, close the shelters, don't allow money to be kept offshore unnecessarily (ie: for tax purposes).



I did not grow up with money. I paid for every penny of college myself and have never taken a hand-out from anyone. I do not thinking helping people is wrong, i have done so numerous times. I think helping people who don't need the help is wrong and creates dependence.

I agree. I'm not talking about helping people who don't need it. The thing is, and I suppose I have to say this again, slashing a program like welfare is actually couterproductive. It's not the leeches who suffer, it's the workers. They get laid off and when they do, there's less people working to catch these leeches. Slash the program and the leeches flourish because the entitlement doesn't drop, the employees do. It's called thinking ahead, but maybe you're just proving the study to be correct.

ensbergcollector
08-04-2012, 11:59 PM
I think no such thing.


I said those people need to be weeded out. Welfare is temporary to get you through when you have no earning power. It is not a legitimate "income". I've never said otherwise. But hey, who needs to read.


Well do you have a job? Are you supporting yourself? Do you need help?
If the answers went yes, yes, no, then there's no reason for anyone to give you anything. I'm not saying raise taxes on the rich and I never have. I'm saying close the loopholes, close the shelters, don't allow money to be kept offshore unnecessarily (ie: for tax purposes).




I agree. I'm not talking about helping people who don't need it. The thing is, and I suppose I have to say this again, slashing a program like welfare is actually couterproductive. It's not the leeches who suffer, it's the workers. They get laid off and when they do, there's less people working to catch these leeches. Slash the program and the leeches flourish because the entitlement doesn't drop, the employees do. It's called thinking ahead, but maybe you're just proving the study to be correct.

i am done with this conversation. we disagree. big whoop. thanks for throwing out the "if you disagree with me then you must be a lazy thinker." really? you feel the need to insult anyone who disagrees with you?

Wickabee
08-05-2012, 02:00 AM
i am done with this conversation. we disagree. big whoop. thanks for throwing out the "if you disagree with me then you must be a lazy thinker." really? you feel the need to insult anyone who disagrees with you?

Woah. A little touchy I see. It was a simple reference to the title of the thread and the fact I had to say the same thing twice. I'd hate to see your reaction to an actual insult.

ensbergcollector
08-05-2012, 03:28 AM
Woah. A little touchy I see. It was a simple reference to the title of the thread and the fact I had to say the same thing twice. I'd hate to see your reaction to an actual insult.

not touchy, just don't like going back and forth with people who have to resort to insults if someone disagrees with them. you do a pretty good job of implying lots of things and then throwing your hands up and saying "i didn't say anything" all the while being very clear. trust me, not upset, just know when a debate has gotten past productive conversation.

theonedru
08-05-2012, 03:39 AM
When will the idiotic nation open their eyes to the realization that there is zero difference between a rep and a dem NADA NONE ZIP, they are the EXACT same evil scum. Open your eyes to the past whether it be reps or dems in power nothing changes it still get progressively worse, does this not tell you people anything!!!! GEEZ its just mind blowing how people argue over rep this dem that yada yada yada ts the same fiddle faddle packages differently. No wonder this nation will collapse in the near future, the American people are too stupid and cowardly to save it......

Good Ole Jim
08-05-2012, 08:38 AM
When will the idiotic nation open their eyes to the realization that there is zero difference between a rep and a dem NADA NONE ZIP, they are the EXACT same evil scum. Open your eyes to the past whether it be reps or dems in power nothing changes it still get progressively worse, does this not tell you people anything!!!! GEEZ its just mind blowing how people argue over rep this dem that yada yada yada ts the same fiddle faddle packages differently. No wonder this nation will collapse in the near future, the American people are too stupid and cowardly to save it......

Should we remind you of the presidency of FDR, Lincoln, and Clinton? I seem to think that with the revolution of economy, the rise from the great depression, and multiple large surpluses, that things really didn't get progressively worse.

I think all Republicans and Democrats would agree that part of the beauty of this country is the ability to argue over something if you truly believe it's right.


And your comment about the American people being stupid really offends me, and I hope it offends everyone on this board, including the people who have been debating. Could you explain how the citizens in this country are cowards? In just my time on this earth, we've seen the survival of emotion from 9-11, an event that tested the bravery of every citizen here. We saw the first black president, which was once thought impossible. We're seeing the acceptance of gay marriage slowly but surely come into play. If that's cowardly, please explain to me your logic behind it. In my opinion we're one of the bravest countries. We're not afraid to tell someone if we think they're wrong.

This nation is no where near collapsing. The first step to understanding that is to quit grabbing a hold of everything the media puts out of their ignorant mouths. They're the root of why there is such a divide in my eyes.


Note: I'm not e Republican or Democrat. I see things pretty down the middle. There are some things I agree with from both sides.

Wickabee
08-05-2012, 12:17 PM
not touchy, just don't like going back and forth with people who have to resort to insults if someone disagrees with them. you do a pretty good job of implying lots of things and then throwing your hands up and saying "i didn't say anything" all the while being very clear. trust me, not upset, just know when a debate has gotten past productive conversation.

Well I apologize for hurting your feelings. If you'd begun reading my post, or even posts before that one comment, you'd see the productivity level was already pretty low. Whether you weren't reading or just not comprehending, I don't know. Either way, I apologize for that remark. Making a tongu-in-cheek comment relating to the topic title was wrong of me and I'm a malicious, evil person.

mrveggieman
08-06-2012, 08:22 AM
Should we remind you of the presidency of FDR, Lincoln, and Clinton? I seem to think that with the revolution of economy, the rise from the great depression, and multiple large surpluses, that things really didn't get progressively worse.

I think all Republicans and Democrats would agree that part of the beauty of this country is the ability to argue over something if you truly believe it's right.


And your comment about the American people being stupid really offends me, and I hope it offends everyone on this board, including the people who have been debating. Could you explain how the citizens in this country are cowards? In just my time on this earth, we've seen the survival of emotion from 9-11, an event that tested the bravery of every citizen here. We saw the first black president, which was once thought impossible. We're seeing the acceptance of gay marriage slowly but surely come into play. If that's cowardly, please explain to me your logic behind it. In my opinion we're one of the bravest countries. We're not afraid to tell someone if we think they're wrong.

This nation is no where near collapsing. The first step to understanding that is to quit grabbing a hold of everything the media puts out of their ignorant mouths. They're the root of why there is such a divide in my eyes.


Note: I'm not e Republican or Democrat. I see things pretty down the middle. There are some things I agree with from both sides.


Both you and theonedru made some good points however we as a nation have a long way to go. Yes we have a black president but look at all the garbage that he has to go through from the conservatives. Also speaking of conservatives look at the spectacle that they made supporting a guy who sells chicken who is a bigot who dosen't believe in equal rights. Yes we have came a long way but we have an even longer way to go.

shrewsbury
08-06-2012, 08:36 AM
so someone who doesn't support gay marriage is a bigot? then everyone is a bigot, where is the support or polygamist marriage? where the support or religious freedom? and by the tone of some other thread where is the support for our military?

the conservatives put the president through a bunch of garbage or is it the other way around? when has Obama supported any conservative ideas or bills? when has the president stepped up to show bipartisanship? Should not the leader lead by example?

it is always easier to blame others than to step up and show what should be done yourself