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cbuskstwar
08-13-2012, 12:48 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/12/rachel-maddow-rich-lowry-national-review-paul-ryan-budget-plan_n_1769912.html?utm_hp_ref=media

Why are the Dems saying Romney wants to cut medicare when Obamacare already does?

pghin08
08-13-2012, 12:59 PM
No, the Dems are saying that Paul Ryan's plan dismantles the very heart of Medicare. I don't see any Dem hiding from the fact that Obamacare cuts Medicare. There's no real admission here, it's common knowledge.

cbuskstwar
08-13-2012, 01:54 PM
So you agree then with the Dems in cutting $700 billion in medicare?

pghin08
08-13-2012, 02:00 PM
So you agree then with the Dems in cutting $700 billion in medicare?

Yes. I don't know why people go so nuts over Paul Ryan's medicare plan though. Let's say it's enacted in 2013, just for fun. It doesn't affect anyone over 55 anyways, so everyone born before 1958 would be essentially grandfathered in to the old rules of Medicare, so the "vast Medicare reform" misses almost the entire Baby Boomer generation, which is/will be vacuuming up Medicare, since my generation doesn't have enough to pay for much longer. So I guess I'm super-conservative on this issue, since I don't think Ryan's plan goes far enough.

cbuskstwar
08-13-2012, 02:16 PM
gotcha, thanks for explain.

AUTaxMan
08-13-2012, 03:03 PM
Yes. I don't know why people go so nuts over Paul Ryan's medicare plan though. Let's say it's enacted in 2013, just for fun. It doesn't affect anyone over 55 anyways, so everyone born before 1958 would be essentially grandfathered in to the old rules of Medicare, so the "vast Medicare reform" misses almost the entire Baby Boomer generation, which is/will be vacuuming up Medicare, since my generation doesn't have enough to pay for much longer. So I guess I'm super-conservative on this issue, since I don't think Ryan's plan goes far enough.

It's not like it does away with health care coverage for seniors, though. It merely privatizes it. Medicare as we know it will be gone, but there will be something there in its place.

pghin08
08-13-2012, 03:11 PM
It's not like it does away with health care coverage for seniors, though. It merely privatizes it. Medicare as we know it will be gone, but there will be something there in its place.

I was under the impression that it does NOTHING to anyone over 55. They don't change at all. And also, I thought that there was a choice for those under 55, that they could choose to continue with the old plan or adopt the private one.

AUTaxMan
08-13-2012, 03:18 PM
I was under the impression that it does NOTHING to anyone over 55. They don't change at all. And also, I thought that there was a choice for those under 55, that they could choose to continue with the old plan or adopt the private one.

That's my understanding as well. However, the media and the libs have already started spinning this as Paul Ryan trying to take healthcare coverage away from seniors.

pghin08
08-13-2012, 03:39 PM
That's my understanding as well. However, the media and the libs have already started spinning this as Paul Ryan trying to take healthcare coverage away from seniors.

That's a pretty easy myth to dispel if you know how to read.

AUTaxMan
08-13-2012, 04:44 PM
That's a pretty easy myth to dispel if you know how to read.

Do you think most voters are interested in facts, or are they more interested in believing what they want to believe? I think they largely believe whatever they hear the most. People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

INTIMADATOR2007
08-13-2012, 06:51 PM
Do you think most voters are interested in facts, or are they more interested in believing what they want to believe? I think they largely believe whatever they hear the most. People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.
That's the democrat way .

pghin08
08-13-2012, 07:02 PM
That's the democrat way .

Then what am I? I'm a democrat, but I've pointed out that Dems are wrong to say that Ryan's plan throws seniors under the bus.

AUTaxMan
08-13-2012, 07:20 PM
Then what am I? I'm a democrat, but I've pointed out that Dems are wrong to say that Ryan's plan throws seniors under the bus.

You are an exceptional democrat.

pghin08
08-13-2012, 07:25 PM
You are an exceptional democrat.

Lol, thanks. Facts are facts, regardless of party.

habsheaven
08-13-2012, 08:21 PM
That's the democrat way .

That's too funny. Coming from a guy that supports a party that STILL thinks Obama is a SOCIALIST, a MUSLIM, and a KENYAN.

MadMan1978
08-13-2012, 08:30 PM
No Cuts are being made...Once again the Teapubllcans get it wrong

Other provisions are designed to reduce future growth in Medicare spending, to encourage the program to operate more efficiently and to improve the delivery and quality of care in ways including reducing hospital re-admissions. The law does not take money out of the current Medicare budget but, rather, attempts to slow the program's future growth, curtailing just over $500 billion in anticipated spending increases over the next 10 years. Medicare spending will still increase, however. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects Medicare spending will reach $929 billion in 2020, up from $499 billion in actual spending in 2009.

pghin08
08-13-2012, 08:48 PM
No Cuts are being made...Once again the Teapubllcans get it wrong

Other provisions are designed to reduce future growth in Medicare spending, to encourage the program to operate more efficiently and to improve the delivery and quality of care in ways including reducing hospital re-admissions. The law does not take money out of the current Medicare budget but, rather, attempts to slow the program's future growth, curtailing just over $500 billion in anticipated spending increases over the next 10 years. Medicare spending will still increase, however. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects Medicare spending will reach $929 billion in 2020, up from $499 billion in actual spending in 2009.


That's not a cut.

AUTaxMan
08-13-2012, 10:39 PM
That's not a cut.

"It's going to cost more next year than it did this year, but it's going to cost less than we originally thought."

In Washington, reductions in future growth (while still growth) is considered a cut.

pghin08
08-13-2012, 11:21 PM
"It's going to cost more next year than it did this year, but it's going to cost less than we originally thought."

In Washington, reductions in future growth (while still growth) is considered a cut.

Lol. Unfortunately, I guess you're right.

cbuskstwar
08-13-2012, 11:40 PM
No, I think the dumbacrats got it wrong, so your comments below for proof.


No Cuts are being made...Once again the Teapubllcans get it wrong

Other provisions are designed to reduce future growth in Medicare spending, to encourage the program to operate more efficiently and to improve the delivery and quality of care in ways including reducing hospital re-admissions. The law does not take money out of the current Medicare budget but, rather, attempts to slow the program's future growth, curtailing just over $500 billion in anticipated spending increases over the next 10 years. Medicare spending will still increase, however. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects Medicare spending will reach $929 billion in 2020, up from $499 billion in actual spending in 2009.

pghin08
08-14-2012, 07:13 AM
The fact that we call each other things like "Teapublicans" and "Dumbocrats" is part of our problem. When we've already convinced ourselves that our side is right, and the other is wrong, it eliminates our ability to process information in a useful manner.

Wickabee
08-14-2012, 12:49 PM
Well, I see Teapublican as referring to a segment of the Republican party (that being the aptly named Tea Party). As such, it's slightly clever, but not overly so, and a little annoying when it gets overused.

Dumbocrat makes me think there's an 8 year old loose on the boards.

cbuskstwar
08-14-2012, 01:01 PM
Both are stupid, that's my point, but the Dems' ooops I'm sorry Liberals will continue the non-sense. See Wick's below comment.


Well, I see Teapublican as referring to a segment of the Republican party (that being the aptly named Tea Party). As such, it's slightly clever, but not overly so, and a little annoying when it gets overused.

Dumbocrat makes me think there's an 8 year old loose on the boards.

Wickabee
08-14-2012, 01:09 PM
Both are stupid, that's my point, but the Dems' ooops I'm sorry Liberals will continue the non-sense. See Wick's below comment.

How did I continue anything. I called one annoying and the other stupid. I mean seriously, Dumbocrats? A child could come up with that, but would never come up with Teapublican. That's the only reason one is slightly better than the other. Teapublican requires some knowledge of what's actually happening. Dumbocrat barely requires the ability to speak.

But hey, you take that anyway you want. If I'm somehow continuing the nonsense by agreeing with you for the most part, then so be it.

Remember that, everyone, agreeing with him means your continuing nonsense.

(and if that was your point, I have a swamp in Arizona to sell you)

MadMan1978
08-16-2012, 06:38 PM
reducing costs are not a cut!

and then the truth does finally come out...
http://www.classwarfareexists.com/politifact-romney-claim-that-obama-robbed-medicare-of-700-billion-is-mostly-false/#axzz23ke7jAUT