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mrveggieman
08-15-2012, 12:13 PM
Here are you choices. You can either live in america the land of the free, home of the brave that includes equal rights for all including but not limited to blacks, gays, muslims, women, hispanics, jews etc. Gays would have the right to marry any other consenting adult as they see fit. Muslims, jews, etc would be able to peacefully practice their chosen religion w/o any outside interference or harrassment. Or you can live in a country without any freedom of religion and no legal right legally and peacefully practice christanity or any other religion for that matter. The state will determine what religion we must follow and there will be a cheif of religious police. The choice is either one or the other and is non neogotiable. Chose wisely.

andrewhoya
08-15-2012, 01:22 PM
I'd move to a remote island where everyone was equal and we could practice whatever we'd like. (and, actually, in all reality, I may be doing that once Im out of college <Micronesia?>)

AUTaxMan
08-15-2012, 05:09 PM
Here are you choices. You can either live in america the land of the free, home of the brave that includes equal rights for all including but not limited to blacks, gays, muslims, women, hispanics, jews etc. Gays would have the right to marry any other consenting adult as they see fit. Muslims, jews, etc would be able to peacefully practice their chosen religion w/o any outside interference or harrassment. Or you can live in a country without any freedom of religion and no legal right legally and peacefully practice christanity or any other religion for that matter. The state will determine what religion we must follow and there will be a cheif of religious police. The choice is either one or the other and is non neogotiable. Chose wisely.

Not sure if serious.

mrveggieman
08-15-2012, 05:20 PM
Not sure if serious.


Serious as a heart attack.

Wickabee
08-15-2012, 05:27 PM
I would stay in Canada where things aren't amazing, but they're better than everywhere else.

JustAlex
08-15-2012, 05:29 PM
OK, gotta be careful the way I respond.

I think (this is exclusively my opinion) that SOME conservative Christians want to live a country that they have fabricated in their minds.

In this country there IS freedom of religion, but at the same time the "National religion" is Evangelical Christianity.

In this country gay marriage is 100% banned in all states, however they are not anti-gay.

In this country prayer and bible reading is endorsed by public schools, but this is not infringing in any rights because it's "optional".

In this country politicians HAVE to be Christian and pander to their beliefs, but again this is not infringing in freedom of religion.


You see, what I'm getting at is that SOME conservative christians want to have their cake and eat it too, the real world doesn't work that way.

The only way we can have a TRUE "freedom of religion" government is to be 100% neutral.

ALADOG
08-15-2012, 05:31 PM
Here are you choices. You can either live in america the land of the free, home of the brave that includes equal rights for all including but not limited to blacks, gays, muslims, women, hispanics, jews etc. Gays would have the right to marry any other consenting adult as they see fit. Muslims, jews, etc would be able to peacefully practice their chosen religion w/o any outside interference or harrassment. Or you can live in a country without any freedom of religion and no legal right legally and peacefully practice christanity or any other religion for that matter. The state will determine what religion we must follow and there will be a cheif of religious police. The choice is either one or the other and is non neogotiable. Chose wisely.

You leave out the alternative you live in wherein the minority rules and forces their choices on the entire society.

And I left out the part where the successful bear the financial burden to pay for the non-achievers and achieve the stated goals.

mrveggieman
08-15-2012, 05:34 PM
OK, gotta be careful the way I respond.

I think (this is exclusively my opinion) that SOME conservative Christians want to live a country that they have fabricated in their minds.

In this country there IS freedom of religion, but at the same time the "National religion" is Evangelical Christianity.

In this country gay marriage is 100% banned in all states, however they are not anti-gay.

In this country prayer and bible reading is endorsed by public schools, but this is not infringing in any rights because it's "optional".

In this country politicians HAVE to be Christian and pander to their beliefs, but again this is not infringing in freedom of religion.


You see, what I'm getting at is that SOME conservative christians want to have their cake and eat it too, the real world doesn't work that way.

The only way we can have a TRUE "freedom of religion" government is to be 100% neutral.


CHURCH!! :love0030::love0030::love0030:

mrveggieman
08-15-2012, 05:36 PM
You leave out the alternative you live in wherein the minority rules and forces their choices on the entire society.

And I left out the part where the successful bear the financial burden to pay for the non-achievers and achieve the stated goals.

I live in the united states and i can assure you that is not the case. Here the conservative right wing christians are in the back pockets of our politicians and dictate all of our policies. Until we actually have real seperation of church and state american will continue to head down the toilet.

ALADOG
08-15-2012, 07:15 PM
I live inthe united states and i can assure you that is not the case. Here the conservative right wing christians are in the back pockets of our politicians and dictate all of our policies. Until we actuall have real seperation of church and state american will continue to head down the toilet.

Now that is rich. A socialist/communist liberal blaming the conservatives for the destruction and spiral downward of the USA that is a direct result of the liberal agenda since the 1940's.

AUTaxMan
08-15-2012, 07:23 PM
Here the conservative right wing christians are in the back pockets of our politicians and dictate all of our policies.

Please offer evidence to support this preposterous statement.

drtom2005
08-15-2012, 07:25 PM
Now that is rich. A socialist/communist liberal blaming the conservatives for the destruction and spiral downward of the USA that is a direct result of the liberal agenda since the 1940's.

What universe are you living in ? Ever hear of Reaganomincs, military industrial complex, being completely against science and forgetting about climate change, supporting corparate welfare with low taxes, infringing on civil liberties to "protect us," and infringing on civil liberties(because of a persecution complex). All conservative ideas.

Yeah conservatives ideals having been destroying the country.

Wickabee
08-15-2012, 07:55 PM
Now that is rich. A socialist/communist liberal blaming the conservatives for the destruction and spiral downward of the USA that is a direct result of the liberal agenda since the 1940's.

Please offer evidence to support this preposterous statement.

ensbergcollector
08-15-2012, 08:16 PM
I live inthe united states and i can assure you that is not the case. Here the conservative right wing christians are in the back pockets of our politicians and dictate all of our policies. Until we actuall have real seperation of church and state american will continue to head down the toilet.

ok, if conservative right wing christians dictate all of our policies, how come nearly every political decision in the last decade has gone against the conservative right wing christians? when gay marriage comes up to a popular vote, it gets voted down, but outside of that, nearly every decision has gone against.

now, i am not saying the decisions have been wrong, just saying that they are clearly not done in the favor of the people you claim.

drtom2005
08-15-2012, 09:10 PM
ok, if conservative right wing christians dictate all of our policies, how come nearly every political decision in the last decade has gone against the conservative right wing christians? when gay marriage comes up to a popular vote, it gets voted down, but outside of that, nearly every decision has gone against.

now, i am not saying the decisions have been wrong, just saying that they are clearly not done in the favor of the people you claim.

It's not that Christians just dictate policy. Most seem to support people the elected as long as they are Christian. It seems they are less likely to call elected people to task when they infringe on rights and grant more corporate power.

This allows Republicans to push more and more coporate agenda and civil rights infringement. I am no longer an Obama fan ( I think I feel like most young liberals when Clinton was elected, disappointed). I will no longer vote, just democrat, but a Republican will need to understand the meaning of his/her parties name before I will vote for them.

ALADOG
08-15-2012, 09:51 PM
Please offer evidence to support this preposterous statement.


Social Security, Higer taxes, Roe V Wade, Medicare, LBJ war on poverty, Obamacare, food stamps, unnecessary cabinet positons, Czars by Obama, allowing our country to be overrun with illegal alliens, throwing good money after bad in our broken education system all the time saying just a little more money will solve the problem when it is not a money problem, justifying the destruction of the family as acceptable (see this thread; Michael Medved: A Feeble Defense of Single Motherhood) and the removal of Christianity from our society. There are many more but these came to mind off the top of my head.

Wickabee
08-15-2012, 10:36 PM
Social Security, Higer taxes, Roe V Wade, Medicare, LBJ war on poverty, Obamacare, food stamps, unnecessary cabinet positons, Czars by Obama, allowing our country to be overrun with illegal alliens, throwing good money after bad in our broken education system all the time saying just a little more money will solve the problem when it is not a money problem, justifying the destruction of the family as acceptable (see this thread; Michael Medved: A Feeble Defense of Single Motherhood) and the removal of Christianity from our society. There are many more but these came to mind off the top of my head.
Just because you think those thing equate a downward spiral doesn't make it reality. You answered to nothing.

drtom2005
08-15-2012, 11:13 PM
Social Security, Higer taxes, Roe V Wade, Medicare, LBJ war on poverty, Obamacare, food stamps, unnecessary cabinet positons, Czars by Obama, allowing our country to be overrun with illegal alliens, throwing good money after bad in our broken education system all the time saying just a little more money will solve the problem when it is not a money problem, justifying the destruction of the family as acceptable (see this thread; Michael Medved: A Feeble Defense of Single Motherhood) and the removal of Christianity from our society. There are many more but these came to mind off the top of my head.

Social Security was started at a time when the people wanted benefits for the older. At the time, only 1% of the population made it to 65. This could easily corrected by increasing the age requirements to at least 75, if not 85. No politican will do this, including Republicans.

The highest tax rate was during the Eisenhower administration, a Republican. Taxes are pretty low right now. The highest tax bracket at the time was 95%.

Roe Versus Wade is a civil rights issue. No one wants abortions, but illegalization will just lead to more problems. Look up Mexico's complication rates of abortion and teen pregnancy rate.

Medicare is part of Social security.

LBJ war on poverty. Yeah, that is a real wrong fight to take up.

Obamacare is about the confusion with what the people of the U.S. want. It is closing a loop hole created by Reagan which required hospitals to provide ER care without any return. If you want hospitals to stay open, they need some money.

Unncessary cabinet postions like homeland security, created by Bush. Of course, if they protect us, they can infringe on rights and track anyone in the U.S., right?

"Czars" were first created by Reagan. The drug "Czar" was started for the "war" on drugs, which we are losing. Once again, a Republican idea.

Illegal alien deportation is at its highest rate, since Obama took over. Hard to stop a flood, but at least he is trying, unlike past Presidents.

Throwing money in an education system that is broken. I have no idea how to fix this, but no President has found a solution yet. Bush had 8 years to focus on this issue. Of course, you probably think private schools are the answer, right?

Justifying the destruction of the family? How so? Allowing people who do not fit into your idea of family to get married and have rights. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this one.

The U.S. was never and will never be a Christian State. Please do your research on this one and stop listening to people who agree with you.

mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 08:54 AM
Social Security was started at a time when the people wanted benefits for the older. At the time, only 1% of the population made it to 65. This could easily corrected by increasing the age requirements to at least 75, if not 85. No politican will do this, including Republicans.

The highest tax rate was during Eisenhower administration, a Republican. Taxes are pretty low right now. The highest tax bracket at the time was 95%.

Roe Versus Wade is a civil rights issue. No one wants abortions, but illegalistion will just lead to more problems. Look up Mexico's complication rates of abortion and teen pregnancy rate.

Medicare is part of Social security.

LBJ war on poverty. Yeah, that is a real wrong fight to take up.

Obamacare is about the confusion with what the people of the U.S. want. It closing a loop hole created by Reagan which required hospital to provide ER care without any return. If you want hospitals to stay open, they need some money.

Unncessary cabinet postions like homeland security, created by Bush. Of course, if they protect us, they can infringe on rights and track anyone in the U.S., right?

"Czars" were first created by Reagan. The drug "Czar" was started for the "war" on drugs, which we are losing. Once again, a Republican idea.

Illegal alien deportation is at its highest rate, since Obama took over. Hard to stop a flood, but at least he is trying, unlike past Presidents.

Throwing money in an education system that is broken. I have no idea how to fix this, but no President has found a solution yet. Bush had 8 years to focus on this issue. Of course, you probably think private schools are the answer, right?

Justifying the destruction of the family? How so? Allowing people who do not fit into your idea of family to get married and have rights. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this one.

The U.S. was never and will never be a Christian State. Please do your research on this one and stop listening to people who agree with you.

Double CHURCH!!!
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shrewsbury
08-16-2012, 09:32 AM
nice to wake up to another conservative slamming thread! good morning to you too!

Tivo32
08-16-2012, 10:49 AM
Here are you choices. You can either live in america the land of the free, home of the brave that includes equal rights for all including but not limited to blacks, gays, muslims, women, hispanics, jews etc. Gays would have the right to marry any other consenting adult as they see fit. Muslims, jews, etc would be able to peacefully practice their chosen religion w/o any outside interference or harrassment. Or you can live in a country without any freedom of religion and no legal right legally and peacefully practice christanity or any other religion for that matter. The state will determine what religion we must follow and there will be a cheif of religious police. The choice is either one or the other and is non neogotiable. Chose wisely.

I'm not too sure if any Christians has answered your question yet, so I will (:P):

I would choose option #1: Freedom for all

shrewsbury
08-16-2012, 10:51 AM
i would prefer you didn't try to dictate what i should or shouldn't believe

AUTaxMan
08-16-2012, 10:52 AM
I'm not too sure if any Christians has answered your question yet, so I will (:P):

I would choose option #1: Freedom for all

You may say that, but I know which choice you would really prefer.

Tivo32
08-16-2012, 10:53 AM
You may say that, but I know which choice you would really prefer.

Lol, which one would I really prefer?

AUTaxMan
08-16-2012, 10:55 AM
Lol, which one would I really prefer?

Sorry, my inner mrv took over for a minute. Nevermind.

Tivo32
08-16-2012, 10:58 AM
Although the second choice would lead to a "Hunger Games"-esque world and since I read the books and watched the first (I probably shouldn't admit that), I would totally know how to be come the hero. So I'll change my choice to option #2!




P.S. - just trying to lighten the mood in the thread a little bit. We all don't need to be in such attacking stances all the time! :)




EDIT: I feel like I've been missing out since everyone is doing this now:


*Now I will sit back and wait for someone to respond to my post*

mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 10:59 AM
I'm not too sure if any Christians has answered your question yet, so I will (:P):

I would choose option #1: Freedom for all


I'm sorry but I must give you some for that.

CHURCH!! :love0030::love0030::love0030:

Tivo32
08-16-2012, 11:05 AM
I'm sorry but I must give you some for that.

CHURCH!! :love0030::love0030::love0030:


Haha thanks!

From being a life long Christian and being a student (both academic and personal study) of Christian culture in America, I will say this: I think that the stance that the loudest and most influential Christians take on gay rights and more - the defensive stance that Christians take, is out of pure fear. We think that if we give rights to everyone we will have ours taken away.

Does it make how we act right? Nope. But just trying to explain some of my thoughts about it with some of you who scratch your head and wonder.

Zaccheus85
08-16-2012, 06:15 PM
This has certainly been an interesting thread. As a conservative Christian, I would rather live in a country that allows for freedom of religion to all. As a student of history, I realize that forcing (or attempting to force) people to believe the same thing I do isn't a good way to convince people that your beliefs or religion is the correct one (see Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, U.S. Treatment of Native Americans, etc...)

*censored*
08-16-2012, 06:44 PM
Although the second choice would lead to a "Hunger Games"-esque world and since I read the books and watched the first (I probably shouldn't admit that)

Thank you for being honest.

You may leave your Man Card in the box to the left of the door on your way out.

JustAlex
08-16-2012, 06:50 PM
Social Security was started at a time when the people wanted benefits for the older. At the time, only 1% of the population made it to 65. This could easily corrected by increasing the age requirements to at least 75, if not 85. No politican will do this, including Republicans.

The highest tax rate was during Eisenhower administration, a Republican. Taxes are pretty low right now. The highest tax bracket at the time was 95%.

Roe Versus Wade is a civil rights issue. No one wants abortions, but illegalistion will just lead to more problems. Look up Mexico's complication rates of abortion and teen pregnancy rate.

Medicare is part of Social security.

LBJ war on poverty. Yeah, that is a real wrong fight to take up.

Obamacare is about the confusion with what the people of the U.S. want. It closing a loop hole created by Reagan which required hospital to provide ER care without any return. If you want hospitals to stay open, they need some money.

Unncessary cabinet postions like homeland security, created by Bush. Of course, if they protect us, they can infringe on rights and track anyone in the U.S., right?

"Czars" were first created by Reagan. The drug "Czar" was started for the "war" on drugs, which we are losing. Once again, a Republican idea.

Illegal alien deportation is at its highest rate, since Obama took over. Hard to stop a flood, but at least he is trying, unlike past Presidents.

Throwing money in an education system that is broken. I have no idea how to fix this, but no President has found a solution yet. Bush had 8 years to focus on this issue. Of course, you probably think private schools are the answer, right?

Justifying the destruction of the family? How so? Allowing people who do not fit into your idea of family to get married and have rights. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this one.

The U.S. was never and will never be a Christian State. Please do your research on this one and stop listening to people who agree with you.
POST OF THE YEAR!!!

and ONE more CHURCH!!! :love0030::love0030::love0030:

drtom2005
08-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Haha thanks!

From being a life long Christian and being a student (both academic and personal study) of Christian culture in America, I will say this: I think that the stance that the loudest and most influential Christians take on gay rights and more - the defensive stance that Christians take, is out of pure fear. We think that if we give rights to everyone we will have ours taken away.

Does it make how we act right? Nope. But just trying to explain some of my thoughts about it with some of you who scratch your head and wonder.
Could you please become a leader in the Conservative movement? If they held your stance, I might vote for some. Also,

Church!!!!!
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