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mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 08:15 AM
Is this the guy who you conservatives envision as your mesiah?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/15/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-evolved-significantly-his-position-abo/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/15/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-evolved-significantly-his-position-abo/)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/may/18/politifacts-guide-mitt-romneys-flip-flops/

shrewsbury
08-16-2012, 08:41 AM
but your mesiah has not flipflopped on anything?

mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 08:58 AM
but your mesiah has not flipflopped on anything?


Who Jesus? I admit I'm not as biblically schooled as you so feel free to show me any bible verses that show such. If you are talking about President Obama, he is not my mesiah only my elected leader. And no he never flip floped on abortion. Even though I am 100% against abortion I respect a man who stands by what he believes in compared to a man who flip flops just to gain votes.

pghin08
08-16-2012, 09:01 AM
The Dems have done a bad job capitalizing on this. Back in 2004, the Republicans CRUSHED John Kerry for being a "flip-flopper". Romney is just as "flip-floppy" as Kerry was, but Democrats have fixated on his private equity past, which to me is stupid.

habsheaven
08-16-2012, 09:07 AM
but your mesiah has not flipflopped on anything?

What does Obama have to do with this thread? Jay, I think the "ramping up" of the political season is starting to affect your judgement. It's probably more useful to explain or justify his change of opinion rather than employ deflecting tactics.

habsheaven
08-16-2012, 09:10 AM
I can see a young man or woman changing their opinion on abortion as they mature and get a better grasp of the topic. For Romney to do a COMPLETE flipflop at his advanced age back in 2004 indicates to me that his "change of heart" is more political than it is philosophical.

Star_Cards
08-16-2012, 09:24 AM
I really think calling anyone's candidate a mesiah is a bit extreme. I'd assume that many people vote for a guy that best suits their political ideals but still doesn't agree with the candidate 100%. I voted for Obama but wouldn't call him my mesiah. Saying that gives the impression that a specific candidate can do absolutely no wrong and you agree with everything he does as well as every opinion he has on any matter.

As far as flip flopping, I kind of tire of that term. Politicians do change their opinions on certain subject matters to gain favor from more constituents, but people do change their opinions on things legitimately throughout their lives. I have no problem with politicians doing this either, but it's hard to know if it's legit. I tend to think it's legit when it happens to be over a larger amount of time (years) rather than just a few years depending on what party is in office or if they are starting to run for a higher office.

Sometimes I find it to be a good trait and wouldn't call it flip flopping as much as just growing as a person and changing your ideas about any given subject due to more knowledge about it. If you take your own opinions about something when you were 25 and then when you were 35 they could be very drastic. Does that mean you are a flip flopper or that you have gained more knowledge about that topic? Like I said, it's hard to tell with politicians sometimes, but to classify all changes in opinion simply as a flip flop isn't really fair.

shrewsbury
08-16-2012, 09:50 AM
veggie, thank you. I would hope Jesus was yours, but unsure why you would think romney is mine. and I doubt my biblical knowledge is better than yours, but i will take that as a compliment.

also what about obama's flipflop on gay marriage?

habs, I would agree with this thread, and been curious enough to look into this, but veggie had to add the whole mesiah thing, so I had to go in another direction.

habsheaven
08-16-2012, 09:58 AM
Jay, I now see where veggie brought up the "mesiah" component first. (never noticed his comment at all when I read the link) That makes your initial post make more sense. Sorry for my confusion.

mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 10:04 AM
veggie, thank you. I would hope Jesus was yours, but unsure why you would think romney is mine. and I doubt my biblical knowledge is better than yours, but i will take that as a compliment.

also what about obama's flipflop on gay marriage?

habs, I would agree with this thread, and been curious enough to look into this, but veggie had to add the whole mesiah thing, so I had to go in another direction.


I'm not really familiar with the entire story on Obama's gay marriage stance but to be perfectly honest most people over the years (myself included) have matured on our stances on homosexuality and gay rights. Why can't President Obama?

ensbergcollector
08-16-2012, 10:24 AM
veggie - why is it every democrat elected is just a politician but everyone republicans support has to be our "messiah"? are you able to have a conversation where you don't throw out ridiculous sweeping comments and instead just focus on the topic at hand?

romney is far from being anyone's messiah. in fact, i think you would find most people voting for him do not agree with nearly all of his stances. Most republicans will be voting for romney because they either always vote republican or because they are voting against obama. which, is the exact same reason people vote on either side.

mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 10:33 AM
veggie - why is it every democrat elected is just a politician but everyone republicans support has to be our "messiah"? are you able to have a conversation where you don't throw out ridiculous sweeping comments and instead just focus on the topic at hand?

romney is far from being anyone's messiah. in fact, i think you would find most people voting for him do not agree with nearly all of his stances. Most republicans will be voting for romney because they either always vote republican or because they are voting against obama. which, is the exact same reason people vote on either side.


I have heard from different political camps that romney is just like obama. I don't agree with that all they way agree but they do have some similarities. That being said if republicans are united in their hatred of President Obama (his policies of course and never the man himself for other reasons) why would they vote for someone who is just like him? We all know why but some of us will never admit to it.

ensbergcollector
08-16-2012, 10:45 AM
I have heard from different political camps that romney is just like obama. I don't agree with that all they way agree but they do have some similarities. That being said if republicans are united in their hatred of President Obama (his policies of course and never the man himself for other reasons) why would they vote for someone who is just like him? We all know why but some of us will never admit to it.

my goodness, you just can't get over everything being about race can you?

AUTaxMan
08-16-2012, 10:55 AM
I'm not really concerned with the president's position on abortion. He can't do anything about that issue other than appoint federal judges, and those decisions are based on a lot more than abortion.

mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 10:56 AM
my goodness, you just can't get over everything being about race can you?

Where in my last point did I mention that people hate obama b/c of his race? You did. Is it because deep down you know the reason why people hate our president and say outlandish things like he was born in africa, and is a muslim socialist have absolutely nothing to do with his political record? I never heard you republicans question clinton, any of the bushes, regan, jimmy carter, etc place of birth.

pghin08
08-16-2012, 11:28 AM
I'm not really concerned with the president's position on abortion. He can't do anything about that issue other than appoint federal judges, and those decisions are based on a lot more than abortion.

THANK YOU! I can't tell you how frustrated I get whenever someone votes for/against a president on this issue.

mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 11:37 AM
THANK YOU! I can't tell you how frustrated I get whenever someone votes for/against a president on this issue.


You are right. For example I will be voting for President Obama despite the fact that he is pro abortion. To be honest even if abortion was the deciding factor I still couldn't vote for romney because I can't believe a word that he says anyway.

AUTaxMan
08-16-2012, 11:39 AM
You are right. For example I will be voting for President Obama despite the fact that he is pro abortion. To be honest even if abortion was the deciding factor I still couldn't vote for romney because I can't believe a word that he says anyway.

Why don't you believe anything Romney says?

ensbergcollector
08-16-2012, 11:39 AM
Where in my last point did I mention that people hate obama b/c of his race? You did. Is it because deep down you know the reason why people hate our president and say outlandish things like he was born in africa, and is a muslim socialist have absolutely nothing to do with his political record? I never heard you republicans question clinton, any of the bushes, regan, jimmy carter, etc place of birth.

you imply racism in every post whether you say it or not. I know you well enough to know what you were implying. no one questioned their place of birth because there was never a question of where they were born, where they lived, etc. And the hate on obama about socialist ideas have everything to do with his political record.

habsheaven
08-16-2012, 12:02 PM
Does Romney's plan to de-fund Planned Parenthood have any affect on the abortion issue? I would think that it does.

mrveggieman
08-16-2012, 12:03 PM
you imply racism in every post whether you say it or not. I know you well enough to know what you were implying. no one questioned their place of birth because there was never a question of where they were born, where they lived, etc. And the hate on obama about socialist ideas have everything to do with his political record.


If that makes you sleep better at night keep telling everyone that and one day you may actually start believing it yourself. :winking0071:

Wickabee
08-16-2012, 12:10 PM
If that makes you sleep better at night keep telling everyone that and one day you may actually start believing it yourself. :winking0071:

Oh, this post definitely has implied racism. ensberg is right. EVERY POST!!!!!!!