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JustAlex
09-04-2012, 05:49 AM
I wanted to be "fair and balanced"......so, since I posted the GOP Platform, here is the Democratic Party official platform. (Once again, my own commentary will be in RED)

http://news.yahoo.com/dems-platform-backs-gay-marriage-abortion-rights-020730209--election.html


TAXES

The Democratic platform calls for extending the middle-class tax cuts for the 98 percent of American families who make less than $250,000 a year, and makes a promise not to raise taxes on them.

^Well, that seems very reasonable....


ABORTION

The Democratic platform states that it "unequivocally" supports Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal, and "supports a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay."
The platform states: "Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way."

^WHAT??? Small government by the democrats.....hmm, I wonder why the GOP is against Small government for a women's CHOICE at a very safe medical procedure which the SCOTUS already ruled in favor of???


GAY MARRIAGE

The Democratic platform supports the movement to get equal treatment under the law for same-sex couples.
The platform says: "We also support the freedom of churches and religious entities to decide how to administer marriage as a religious sacrament without government interference." The platform opposes "federal and state constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection under the law" to same-sex couples.

^WOW, another Small Government position.....and WOW, another issue where the GOP is AGAINST small government and want to DICTATE their morality down our throats!!!
Good Job Dems....so far 3 for 3!


IMMIGRATION

The platform states that "Democrats are strongly committed to enacting comprehensive immigration reform." Immigration overhaul would include bringing "undocumented immigrants out of the shadows," requiring illegal immigrants "to get right with the law, learn English and pay taxes" to get on a path toward citizenship. It also calls for a visa system that meets the country's "economic needs, keeps families together and enforces the law." It acknowledges that administrative fixes are not permanent. "Only Congress can provide a permanent, comprehensive solution."

^A very humanistic approach to a very big problem, I fully support laws such as the "Dream Act" and I fully oppose the GOPs insane decision to want to DEPORT every single illegal fully knowing that it would break up families.....and the fact that that is NOT a solution at all.


HEALTH CARE

The platform pledges to continue building on the new health care law. It says accessible, affordable, high-quality health care is part of the American promise, that Americans should have the security that comes with good health care, and that no one should go broke because they get sick. "No law is perfect and Democrats stand willing to work with anyone to improve the law where necessary, but we are committed to moving forward," the platform says.

^You can criticize ObamaCare all you want.....but here are the FACTS.....#1 SCOTUS ruled in FAVOR of it, #2 At the very least the Dems are TRYING to do something about America's TERRIBLE Health Care system, meanwhile the GOP's plan is to Repeal and Replace.....LOL, replace with what???? They have ZERO ideas!


DEFENSE

The platform says Democrats have responsibly ended the war in Iraq, put the al-Qaida terrorist organization on the path to defeat with the killing of Osama bin Laden and reversed the Taliban's momentum to set the stage for the drawdown of U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

Democrats back further reductions in the nuclear weapons stockpile, building on the hard-fought U.S.-Russia treaty that Obama got through the Senate in December 2010. Democrats also say they have an "unshakable commitment to Israel's security," and Obama will do all in his power to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

Democrats say they want to maintain a strong military, but argue that in the current fiscal environment, tough budgetary decisions must include defense spending. They noted that Democrats and Republicans agreed last summer in the deficit-cutting plan to reduce military spending.

^OK, I have mixed feelings about this.....on one hand I like the reduction of nuclear weapons and the possibility of reducing the defense spending.....on the other hand I DON'T BELIEVE THEM FOR ONE SECOND.....furthermore, I HATE our "unshakable commitment to Israel".....they can take care of themselves, they don't need the U.S to babysit and waste unnecessary human life, money, and resources!




Overall, this platform reminded me why I was a democrat for so many years, they strive for progress and look forward, unlike the GOP that is always looking backwards to the "Good ol' days" (which is a complete fabricated world!).

The problem is that, the Democrats don't follow through to the things they say, Obama has been a perfect example of a president that made numerous promises and yet we got barely any change.

However, As I have already said numerous times, the alternative is much, much, MUCH.....WORSE!!!

The Democrats have my full support and I am 100% in the Obama bandwagon .......(If only because I have no other choice).

JustAlex
09-04-2012, 05:54 AM
BTW.....surprise, surprise the Dems are not looking for a war on porn the way the GOP is.

mrveggieman
09-04-2012, 10:34 AM
I agree with all your points except for abortion but you can blame the GOP whenever a woman has to have an abortion because they are the ones who are against contraception and sex ed.

shrewsbury
09-04-2012, 10:42 AM
yeah, don't blame the female or male responsible, they are too dumb to know better. only the government is smart enough to teach them you can get pregnant from unprotected sex, thank goodness for obama and the others, saving us from our own stupidity and allowing us the freedom to kill our unwanted babies, because we have better things to do.

mrveggieman
09-04-2012, 11:40 AM
yeah, don't blame the female or male responsible, they are too dumb to know better. only the government is smart enough to teach them you can get pregnant from unprotected sex, thank goodness for obama and the others, saving us from our own stupidity and allowing us the freedom to kill our unwanted babies, because we have better things to do.


Everyone's hands are in the cookie jar and shares the blame, both the male and female, the school system with the joke of sex ed called abstinence only, followed by the conservatives and the church. The ironic part about it is that even though all of the formentioned parties contributed to the abortion the only one who suffered in the long run was the unborn child who was never given a chance to live and was killed before birth.

JustAlex
09-04-2012, 10:30 PM
yeah, don't blame the female or male responsible, they are too dumb to know better. only the government is smart enough to teach them you can get pregnant from unprotected sex, thank goodness for obama and the others, saving us from our own stupidity and allowing us the freedom to kill our unwanted babies, because we have better things to do.
the stats are against you, the states that preach abstinence only education have the HIGHEST teen pregnancy rates....

In many Western European countries they have adequate sex education in all their public schools and guess what?

The U.S teen pregnancy rates and abortion rates are MUCH HIGHER than Europe's, do you think this is all coincidental?

You want to live in a world that doesn't exists....teens will always want to have sex.....do you know why?

Because humans have an irresistible urge once they get to puberty and telling them DON'T DO THIS or THAT until you're married is a stupid idea.....INSANELY STUPID!

It's much more effective to tell them that if they must have sex, please use a condom or other contraceptives......you should really have sex until you are ready, maybe after you finish your education and you're a proper adult.

How hard is that?

tutall
09-04-2012, 11:02 PM
the stats are against you, the states that preach abstinence only education have the HIGHEST teen pregnancy rates....

In many Western European countries they have adequate sex education in all their public schools and guess what?

The U.S teen pregnancy rates and abortion rates are MUCH HIGHER than Europe's, do you think this is all coincidental?

You want to live in a world that doesn't exists....teens will always want to have sex.....do you know why?

Because humans have an irresistible urge once they get to puberty and telling them DON'T DO THIS or THAT until you're married is a stupid idea.....INSANELY STUPID!

It's much more effective to tell them that if they must have sex, please use a condom or other contraceptives......you should really have sex until you are ready, maybe after you finish your education and you're a proper adult.

How hard is that?

First off I think Americas high teen pregnancy rate has more to do with the glamorization of sex than the fact we dont teach sex ed as much as other countries... Second and I have said this many times, I want to be the one to talk to my son about responsible sex not a teacher in a room at school with 40 other kids giggling about it

JustAlex
09-04-2012, 11:18 PM
First off I think Americas high teen pregnancy rate has more to do with the glamorization of sex than the fact we dont teach sex ed as much as other countries... Second and I have said this many times, I want to be the one to talk to my son about responsible sex not a teacher in a room at school with 40 other kids giggling about it
LOL, "glamorization of sex"....are you kidding me?

So I guess in LIBERAL EUROPE they don't have this "glamorization of sex" you speak of?

Please try again.

JustAlex
09-04-2012, 11:22 PM
You might want to read this:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jan/19/news/la-heb-teen-pregnancy-20120119

Also this:

http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsteenpregnancy/dsteenpregnancy_626px.jpg
^Check out Netherlands who is very hardcore liberal with sex and drugs and their teen pregnancy birth rate is one of the world's LOWEST!

I guess all of this is a conspiracy by the Liberal media or something....

LOL @ conservatives and their FAIL policies!

JustAlex
09-04-2012, 11:23 PM
And of course the MOST teen pregnancies are in:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CJ4OY5nOJrU/TMBN_2Vm80I/AAAAAAAAAIA/S9EbOeZPO40/s1600/teen-birth-rates-430-322.gif

^The Bible belt where Jebus is king!!!



And Of course the lowest are in the "Liberal" states where they teach Sex education in school.....but I'm sure all of this is pure coincidence!

shrewsbury
09-04-2012, 11:44 PM
alex, how are the stats against me? i said unprotected sex, nothing about marriage or abstinence.

I guarantee, that on average, people who use protection on a regular basis have less pregnancies than those that don't.

veggie, I agree with you!!

JustAlex
09-04-2012, 11:57 PM
alex, how are the stats against me? i said unprotected sex, nothing about marriage or abstinence.

I guarantee, that on average, people who use protection on a regular basis have less pregnancies than those that don't.

veggie, I agree with you!!

Too bad that the GOP don't agree with you....

tutall
09-04-2012, 11:59 PM
TAXES - the only thing Obama has pledged not to raise is income taxes... We have already seen a ton of new taxes come down the pipe that percentage wise affect the lower/middle class a whole lot more than the upper class... There are also a lot of new tax breaks not being given out in the near future that would affect the same group.

Gay Marriage - I could care less... I personally believe marriage has and always will be a religious thing but if gays want a piece of paper also saying they can have the same rights a straight couples who am I to disagree?

Immigration - You can never convince me it is a good idea to let criminals live here... Every illegal alien living in America right now has commited a crime... a crime in which if we broke going into Mexico there would be consequences for. I am not for limiting immigration at all... I am for making a process more efficient and one that is possible to get through without bribes and money taking root in the process.

Health Care - We will have to agree to digagree on this one... Just because they set something in action does not make it better than the old system. To many people think this is a free program... WRONG. It is people like me paying for someone elses health care because of decisions which a lot of times they or their parents have made. I have never lived a day in my life without insurance and dont plan to ever. At the same time that is a choice I have made to always have healthcare and put it above any cell phone or 245 channel tv package. It kills me the same people on state healthcare are the ones who call their doctor from their 400 dollar IPhone

Defense - You can say whatever you want about defense... Fact is nothing will ever change in the middle east whether we are there or not. I would prefer to stay with israel as they may be able to defend against Iran but if pulled into a bigger war with Russia, China, Etc we would have to get involved anyways... Might as well try to nip it before it gets that big


I see a recurring theme of your post is small government... Except the part about healthcare? So you must be ok with small healthcare as long as it is in the arenas that make your point more valid. I am for sweeping cuts in almost all government programs... Not a complete cut in items such as medicare and SS but a huge cut and limits on certain benefits... Shorten Unemployment (its amazing how many jobs are available right as someone hits the end of their checks coming) Many want to see drug testing in social security... I think that would be a waste of time as it isnt really feasible to administer regular drug tests to that large of a group of people. I would like to see however people on disability get some sort of work and pay they cannot get because of a disability possibly subsidized... but at least try to get a lot of the off benefits and into a contributing role. Obviously this is not right for some people but a large group of people are only disabled because their parents have told them they are for the first 18 years of their life.

shrewsbury
09-04-2012, 11:59 PM
I here that, same with the dems, i seem to be in no mans land.

texansrangerfan73
09-05-2012, 12:10 AM
And of course the MOST teen pregnancies are in:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CJ4OY5nOJrU/TMBN_2Vm80I/AAAAAAAAAIA/S9EbOeZPO40/s1600/teen-birth-rates-430-322.gif

^The Bible belt where Jebus is king!!!



And Of course the lowest are in the "Liberal" states where they teach Sex education in school.....but I'm sure all of this is pure coincidence!
So by this graph it's basically the South & the South West? Hard to believe NY isn't one nor is Ill which has Chicago, go figure.

JustAlex
09-05-2012, 12:14 AM
I see a recurring theme of your post is small government... Except the part about healthcare? So you must be ok with small healthcare as long as it is in the arenas that make your point more valid. I am for sweeping cuts in almost all government programs... Not a complete cut in items such as medicare and SS but a huge cut and limits on certain benefits... Shorten Unemployment (its amazing how many jobs are available right as someone hits the end of their checks coming) Many want to see drug testing in social security... I think that would be a waste of time as it isnt really feasible to administer regular drug tests to that large of a group of people. I would like to see however people on disability get some sort of work and pay they cannot get because of a disability possibly subsidized... but at least try to get a lot of the off benefits and into a contributing role. Obviously this is not right for some people but a large group of people are only disabled because their parents have told them they are for the first 18 years of their life.
Yes, that's my point, in some issues government should stay clear away such as gay marriage, abortion, and the internet.

On other issues, we need the government for help such as taxes, agencies that are created to regulate CORRUPT corporations, and yes I believe we should have SOCIALIZED (OH NOES, I'm must be a socialist, communist, satanic, liberal!!!!) health care.

Because all we have to do is see Canada's and Europe's health Care and we immediately see they pay less and is more effective than the U.S.

shrewsbury
09-05-2012, 12:59 AM
so lets take this one step at a time.

the internet

what role would the government play and what role should they not play? remember who the FCC is, and how deep they have their hands in the telecommunications industry.

abortion

so if the government should stay out of it, does this mean mandates making insurance providers to cover abortions be thrown out? or our tax dollars going to abortion related groups in forms of grants should be stopped? or those on government health care should not be allowed to get abortions under their coverage, meaning they pay full out of pocket expenses?

gay marriage

so again we look at tax breaks, health insurance, and life insurance. should company's get to decide if they will recognize gay marriages without any backlash? and if so, can they alter they policies about hetero marriages?

socialized health care would not be needed if our economy was stronger and more jobs are created. the more jobs the more taxes that are paid and used for those that really need it, the rest of us can pay for it ourselves. of course this is going to require many things including cuts in spending, equal taxation, and tax breaks.

JustAlex
09-05-2012, 01:21 AM
so lets take this one step at a time.

OK....


the internet

what role would the government play and what role should they not play? remember who the FCC is, and how deep they have their hands in the telecommunications industry.

The government should have ZERO or a very little role on the internet.....the internet does not belong to the U.S, it can not be regulated the same way TV and radio can. Of course that isn't to say that people who commit crimes on the internet can't be prosecuted, but the way the internet is now is good enough, there should not be anything done about it.

abortion

so if the government should stay out of it, does this mean mandates making insurance providers to cover abortions be thrown out? or our tax dollars going to abortion related groups in forms of grants should be stopped? or those on government health care should not be allowed to get abortions under their coverage, meaning they pay full out of pocket expenses?

Um....can you please show me where tax dollars are being used for abortions? And Yes, I agree that abortions should be paid full pocket UNLESS it is the type where the mother's life is in mortal danger.

gay marriage

so again we look at tax breaks, health insurance, and life insurance. should company's get to decide if they will recognize gay marriages without any backlash? and if so, can they alter they policies about hetero marriages?

I don't understand this, gay marriage wouldn't be something special or different, it would be REGULAR marriage, just like the SCOTUS ruled in 1967 to make INTERRACIAL marriage legal, nothing changed.

socialized health care would not be needed if our economy was stronger and more jobs are created. the more jobs the more taxes that are paid and used for those that really need it, the rest of us can pay for it ourselves. of course this is going to require many things including cuts in spending, equal taxation, and tax breaks.

How exactly would that work? There are millions of Americans who can't get health insurance because of pre existing conditions, and millions more can't afford it! Don't you think we should live in a society where EVERY SINGLE person gets the health care they deserve? Don't you think that human life whether rich or poor, black or white, christian or non-christian is equal? If so, then you would be in favor of making it possible to have a system similar to the UK NHS (National Health Service).

I know that if I lived in the UK, I would happily pay my share of taxes to support a system that provides proper care to EVERYONE....that is a very humanistic way to look at it......here in the U.S we look at it with DOLLAR SIGNS in our eyes, and of course insurance companies would go out of business if we had socialized medicine. So they Lobby with millions upon millions of dollars in order to fight it tooth and nail!

I know this is off topic, but can you imagine a world where we didn't use gasoline to run our cars? Can you imagine what the billionaire oil corporations would do to fight against that......this is what happens in a capitalistic society, human welfare is second compared to PROFIT$
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