I am curious to what you guys think. Should Pete Rose be allowed back into baseball?

I personally think he should, Pete should be judged for his stats as a player in my opinion.

But i also know this thread will bring a what about shoeless joe jackson and the black sox but all i can say is that was a different time and i also disagree that shoeless joe should have been banned i think he shouldnt have.

Let me know what you guys think.

I think they should let him in the HOF, but I don't think he should be able to manage or work in baseball.

I do NOT believe Pete Rose should be allowed to be in the hall of fame.

Here's why:

First, who is to say Rose only gambled as a manager. Chances are highly likely he gambled also, while he was playing. Rose has a gambling addiction; there's no way anyone can think he started gambling on baseball as a manager.

Second, there may be Hall of Famers who've raped women, assaulted people, committed felonies, etc....but every player knows you CANNOT gamble. That rule is posted in every dug out and locker room

Third, and most importantly, Rose flat-out stated he never gambled for years and years on every TV interview.

So, now, if he admits to lying about not gambling, that just destroys his credibility even more.

Look, there should be no controversies about who's a Hall-of-Famer.

Mickey Mantle - Hall of Famer
Reggie Jackson - Hall of Famer
Cal Ripken - Hall of Famer

Pete Rose - NOT a Hall of Famer

Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame.

I like your arguments, Podstock.

I don't like the fact that he's denying he gambled. I would let him in the Hall eventually if he admitted to gambling. It's one thing to gamble. It's another thing and a more serious thing when you lie about it.

plunge...yep. To gamble, and then to flat-out lie that you didn't game....boy, talk about out of the fire and into the frying pan.

I maintain my posture that Peter Rose should NOT be allowed into the Hall of Fame.

There's a bunch of Hall-of-Famers, let's not lower our standards.

I think he has payed his debt to baseball, I say let him back in...

standards? weve let people into the hall with stats that cant even touch pete.and as for gambling,EVERY pro athlete takes a gamble every time they step onto there feild.rose just got caught making money of the sport he played.got to think of the time fram he played and managed,he wasent even making close to what some players are making today.I THINK HE SHOULD BE IN BECAUSE NOBODY WILL EVEN COME CLOSE TO HIS HITS RECORD.and if they do,look at the different style of pitching we have today compaired to his day.i know he messed up,but you cant hold him back for something he did on the feild,now for the gambing,one way or another 75%of pro athletes gamble,the just dont get caught and if the do it just gets brushed under the table.or if a team buys a bum (griffey reds hill magic)they are stealing money from there teams but i dont ever hear anybody crying about that.they are getting millions to sit on a bench.but everybody will be gungho on putting griffy into the hall.he steals money to,or better yet they have found a easy way to make money.but this is just my 2 cents.

Welcome to the forum, whatnobeer. You should upgrade your 2 cents to at least three.

While I agree with you that other professional athletes gamble, I don't on the looseness you use the word "gamble." Risk is a word that comes more to mind. If the Reds took a risk with Griffey, it was a gamble. But there was nothing illegal about it. Part of being a successful sports organization is taking risks such as that. Just as etopp users take risk in buying Griffey's cards before the beginning of the season.

Bottom line: Rose broke the law and he denies breaking the law.

Can you respect anyone who does this?

agree with Plunge...it would be a shame to let Rose in if he agrees to admit that he gambled.

That's just pure semantics.

The Dowd report (didn't it have something like 10,000 pages worth of evidence) clearly proved Rose gambled.

i agree about some of the stuff you said.but the part about can i respect a man like that,i respect what he did for the sport of baseball,as for the illegal part i say he should suck his pride in for a while and admitt he broke the law.but lets not forget about other athletes who broke laws in there life time and still going to the hall,or that is already in.in all sports

pete did his time he should be allowed in the hall of fame

Some have gotten away with a lot. But because of Pete Rose's stature makes him a target more than Joe Blow. And getting into the Hall of Fame doesn't mean you have a Hall of Fame personality. They proved that by putting Ty Cobb in.

Originally posted by plunge
Some have gotten away with a lot. But because of Pete Rose's stature makes him a target more than Joe Blow. And getting into the Hall of Fame doesn't mean you have a Hall of Fame personality. They proved that by putting Ty Cobb in.

Yeah but Ty Cobb NEVER broke any rules of baseball.

I think Rose should be in the HOF but its not my decision.

Pete could have already been in the Hall for over 10 years now if he admitted to gambling. But no he had to be stubborn and say he didn't. Some people tend to not realize that Pete Rose is not in the Hall because of Pete Rose. If he really wanted to be in there he would be there by now.

Originally posted by pwaldo
Some people tend to not realize that Pete Rose is not in the Hall because of Pete Rose. If he really wanted to be in there he would be there by now.

I agree. The message behind saying no to Rose is if you want to be in the HOF, you have to have some standard as a citizen. So to speak, Rose crossed a line that sends a message to others -- if they want to get in the Hall they can't be breaking the law.

If I'm not mistaken, Cobb was notorious for how he behaved in baseball. Was it he who fought someone in the stands for booing him or something like that? He was a nasty s.o.b.

Yea, Cobb was pretty belligerent fellow.

But, Cobb never gambled on baseball (or yet to be revealed, lol). And that is the ONLY difference.

No way should he be let in. I just don't like the man though so I am a little biased. Unfortunately, alot of jerks have made into the hall. It's too bad that stats are what counts. What ever happened to players like Gwynn who had the talent and were good guys who people wanted representing baseball?

welcome to the board, bodhi!

Folks like Gwynn and Ripken are rare. Only a few players exist today who are like that ---- Maddux, Glavine, Randy Johnson.

Not too many I can think of.

Now, for every Maddux, you get a bunch of Albert Belles,

lol

I've read that Luis Gonzalez is a real nice guy. So is Jeter. Welcome Bodhi!

put him in! all people make mistakes, and its not like he killed someone. I mean he is prolly better than a whole lot of the players today (druggies, steroid use...)

he bet on baseball, a cardinal sin of sports.

Can't compare that to drug/steroid use.

Rose had his chance to say: mea culpa.

He didn't say it.

Keep him out of the Hall

pete rose did some stupid stuff but he should be in the hall of fame he was a great ball player

Give me a break, Pete Rose should be in the HOF. Forgive the guy, there are murderers and rapists who shouldn't be in there, Pete Rose only gambled (who cares). Let his 4,000+ hits speak for themselves.

Tim

Tim, who cares? I care, sports fans care.

Sports is ALL about integrity.

how easy is it to blow games as a pitcher in baseball, or as a basketball player, or in football?

what if you knew that games played from here to eternity were most likely fixed? Would you still have the love of sports. What if you, as a Yankee fan, never get into the World Series for 200 years b/c it's been fixed that all team, other than Yankees, get to play in the World Series?

This isn't the World Wrestling Federation.

If you don't have integrity in the outcome of sports; then sports does not exist.

As for rapists, murderers...well, let the law and courts take care of that (yes, I am aware of the OJ Simpson case).

Do you honestly feel that Rose did NOT gamble as a player?

I would bet all my money that he gambled while he was playing.
Could I prove it? No.

You do not all of a sudden "start" to gamble as a manager.

A gambling addiction starts off gently (betting with child hood friends, going to casinos, horse races, etc).....then, as the desire peaks, you need more and more to get that high.

Much like rapists - they don't just all of a sudden rape women from out of the blue. It's a mentality developed throughout childhood into the adult years, until it peaks into the actual act itself.

Perhaps you ought to take an introductory psychology class?

Rose has a well-documented gambling addiction; and only a fool would think he didn't bet on baseball as a player

No one proved OJ Simpson didn't kill Nicole Brown Simpson... but, do you honestly think he didn't kill her?