View Full Version : Toughest All-Time QBs...
jedijohnson 06-01-2006, 06:56 PM Not the winningest. Not the most SB wins or most records.
Not the most successful or most TV commercials.
WHO's THE TOUGHEST????
My votes...
- Jeff Hostetler - took a weekly beating in Oakland and keep playing
- Stan Humphries - same reason, different Team: Chargers
- David Carr - No need to repeat myself again...Texans.
Who tops your list???
nmcdonnell 06-05-2006, 05:45 PM i like phil simms, favre and gannon
vikingfan101 06-05-2006, 05:58 PM I always thought Tarkenton and Cpep on my Vikes took a Hammering. Other team whise, Id go with anyone who Qbs for Texans, like you said, David Carr.
Favre? I think not. He throws the ball away before he gets sacked. Why I know? I live in Da Packer State, and attend quite a few games a year to watch em lose. Lol. But Honestly, I dont think Favre does. Seems he always flips it away or throws it away before he takes a hit, knowingly at least.
Melvinnapu 06-05-2006, 06:04 PM are you kidding.. Favre is Old now, but favre has taken so many hits he might be one of the toughest qb's.
melvin
Archuleta 06-05-2006, 06:09 PM My Top 2
David Carr (Texans)-Sacked 76 Times in one Season an NFL Record. His line doesnt block anything he takes a ton of hits 208 sacks in the past 4 Seasons!
John Elway (Broncos)-Sacked 516 times in a 16-year career also an NFL Record.
dfr52 05-15-2009, 11:54 AM Possibly S.Young since he ran so much along w/ taking hits in the pocket. Not my favorite QB but a tough competitor)
(If a mod closes this thread could I please know why?)
RedGoneWILD 05-15-2009, 12:00 PM Brett Favre...anybody who plays 269 consecutive games (not including playoffs) in the National Football League is easily one of the toughest QB's to ever play.
For the same reason, I'll go Peyton Manning who has never missed a start in his entire NFL career.
OnePimpTiger 05-15-2009, 12:05 PM Brett Favre...anybody who plays 269 consecutive games (not including playoffs) in the National Football League is easily one of the toughest QB's to ever play.
Thank you. Just being in that many games, playing through injuries, without missing a single one makes him the toughest, not even counting the hits he took.
dfr52 05-15-2009, 12:11 PM Brett Favre...anybody who plays 269 consecutive games (not including playoffs) in the National Football League is easily one of the toughest QB's to ever play.
For the same reason, I'll go Peyton Manning who has never missed a start in his entire NFL career.
Thank you. Just being in that many games, playing through injuries, without missing a single one makes him the toughest, not even counting the hits he took.
Its amazing that he has never missed a game and has always played at a high level. Toughness and something he must have been born w/ like speed and strength.
DanielSweeney 05-15-2009, 12:13 PM Maybe not the toughest, but Jim Kelly is up there.
xnamyeknomx 05-15-2009, 12:15 PM randall cunningham, and archie manning (got killed every week!!) terry bradshaw also took a beating
Kickstand54 05-15-2009, 12:58 PM Brett Favre and Bobby Douglass
emmitt22mvp 05-15-2009, 01:33 PM i think ben roethlisberger takes a beating every week brett favre also got it alot, ask L taylor i bet he will say joe theisman (ouch)
dfr52 05-15-2009, 01:38 PM he hasn't been mentioned yet how about Aikman? He got beat around his rc year and always stayed in the pocket even if he was going to get blasted after releasing the ball.
CUHATIN 05-15-2009, 01:57 PM Maybe not the toughest, but Jim Kelly is up there.
:love0030: Jim Kelly!!!!!
Mooche 05-15-2009, 02:46 PM Brett Favre...anybody who plays 269 consecutive games (not including playoffs) in the National Football League is easily one of the toughest QB's to ever play.
For the same reason, I'll go Peyton Manning who has never missed a start in his entire NFL career.
Amen man.
duwal 05-15-2009, 03:05 PM wow, can't believe many people are going for todays era's quarterbacks, with all the rules to protect them. In the 50's and 60's it was a free for all on QB's, most of the players listed wouldn't make it if they had to go through what guys like Unitas and Y.A. Tittle. Defensive guys were practically allowed to clothesline QB's to make tackles, use their forearms to the head, there was no flag for unnecessary roughness, no threat of a fine, no penalty for just touching the QB's helmet with the defensive players hand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Ka78jTi2E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNFFNzEIwcc&NR=1
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x269/andrewhunter/Baseball/9787.jpg?t=1242410701
larkin's_redlegs 05-16-2009, 12:36 AM I would mention old timers like that, but I didn't watch them play and have limited knowledge of how rough it was. My vote, Steve McNair.
binkybrent13 05-16-2009, 03:31 AM johnny u hands down
James 05-16-2009, 11:02 AM Otto Graham
Sammy Baugh
Y.A. Tittle
Bobby Layne
Johnny Unitas
Steve McNair
Brett Favre
larkin's_redlegs 05-16-2009, 01:57 PM Thanks for the videos duwal. Now I can see that QB's had it rough just like everyone else back in the tough days of football. Montana was in there a lot lol. He got jacked! Still, my vote for toughest that I have actually seen is Steve McNair. He was a walking injury list. I think one time they even listed all of his injuries he's played through and it was a LONG list.
Alfordron 05-16-2009, 02:27 PM I would mention old timers like that, but I didn't watch them play and have limited knowledge of how rough it was. My vote, Steve McNair.
I agree, Steve McNair was the toughest son of a gun in this era and for the earlier era of the mid, late 70's and early 80's Iwould have go with Dan Pastorini...Talk about taking a beating, I don't think many could compair to the one Pastorini took in Houston..Pastorini was the reason for the invention of the flack jacket and was the first QB to wear one and played with broken ribs!
jedijohnson 05-16-2009, 02:35 PM Wow! I can't believe that dfr52 revived my almost 3 year old thread. I'd forgotten it was mine...lol
James 05-16-2009, 03:28 PM I agree, Steve McNair was the toughest son of a gun in this era and for the earlier era of the mid, late 70's and early 80's Iwould have go with Dan Pastorini...Talk about taking a beating, I don't think many could compair to the one Pastorini took in Houston..Pastorini was the reason for the invention of the flack jacket and was the first QB to wear one and played with broken ribs!
I remember watching Pastorini with the Oilers in the 70's. I remember how bulky that flak jacket was. I agree on McNair. He was the toughest QB I've seen as well.
Alfordron 05-16-2009, 04:13 PM I remember watching Pastorini with the Oilers in the 70's. I remember how bulky that flak jacket was. I agree on McNair. He was the toughest QB I've seen as well.
McNair won a playoff game against the Steelers with broken ribs ,to go to the superbowl..Then was not quite well when he played in the SB...One of the most guttiest performances ever!
James 05-16-2009, 04:39 PM McNair won a playoff game against the Steelers with broken ribs ,to go to the superbowl..Then was not quite well when he played in the SB...One of the most guttiest performances ever!
Another guttiest performance I've ever seen was Jack Youngblood playing in the Championship game against Tampa Bay and then the Super Bowl against Pittsburgh with a broken leg.
RedGoneWILD 05-16-2009, 05:27 PM McNair won a playoff game against the Steelers with broken ribs ,to go to the superbowl..Then was not quite well when he played in the SB...One of the most guttiest performances ever!
they went to the super bowl in 1999....the steelers didn't qualify for the playoffs that year
Alfordron 05-16-2009, 05:31 PM Another guttiest performance I've ever seen was Jack Youngblood playing in the Championship game against Tampa Bay and then the Super Bowl against Pittsburgh with a broken leg.
Yes sir, that one was a classic and will probably never be matched!...Although the Ronnie Lott was pretty good too..He had the end of his finger mashed beyond recognition, i believe it was a playoff game, went to the locker room, had the end of his finger amputated and came back in to finish the game. Nothing like a broken leg though!
Alfordron 05-16-2009, 05:36 PM they went to the super bowl in 1999....the steelers didn't qualify for the playoffs that year
Sraighten me out Red, what year was that?...I know it was against Pitt.
NyFanCam01 05-16-2009, 05:38 PM gotta give credit to favre!!!
that dude is tough!
RedGoneWILD 05-16-2009, 05:47 PM Sraighten me out Red, what year was that?...I know it was against Pitt.
in 2002 the Titans beat the Steelers by a field goal in overtime to advance to the AFC Championship game, where they lost to Oakland
That's the only time McNair played the Steelers in the playoffs...but the only thing I really remember about that game was the refs blowing the whistle before the field goal attempt and the fireworks going off premature....the kicker had to kick the field goal again to win the game, but he made it
James 05-16-2009, 05:53 PM Yes sir, that one was a classic and will probably never be matched!...Although the Ronnie Lott was pretty good too..He had the end of his finger mashed beyond recognition, i believe it was a playoff game, went to the locker room, had the end of his finger amputated and came back in to finish the game. Nothing like a broken leg though!
I forgot about Ronnie Lott's finger. That's crazy and gutsy. I have the game film of Otto Graham, 49'ers vs Browns November 1953 when in the 2nd quarter Otto Graham got hit out of bounds by a 49'ers player, left game with broken jaw, came back out in the beginning of the 3rd quarter with the clear face bar/mask on his hemet.
Alfordron 05-16-2009, 05:53 PM in 2002 the Titans beat the Steelers by a field goal in overtime to advance to the AFC Championship game, where they lost to Oakland
That's the only time McNair played the Steelers in the playoffs...but the only thing I really remember about that game was the refs blowing the whistle before the field goal attempt and the fireworks going off premature....the kicker had to kick the field goal again to win the game, but he made it
OK, it was the Steelers and it was a playoff game, but not the SB year..my bad...I found this on the net!
McNair's rise to prominence has not come without a great deal of pain. During the 1999 season, McNair had midseason surgery on a ruptured disk (http://www.answers.com/topic/herniated-disk) in his lower back, then shocked football fans by returning to led his team through the playoffs. McNair's back pain had been so severe that season that he could not sit for more than 15 minutes at a time, yet he played like a champion in games. Coach Jeff Fisher told Sports Illustrated for Kids that during the 2001 season, "We literally had to help him off the plane when we landed because of his lower back and two or three other . Twenty-four hours later, we're beating Oakland, with Steve running around making plays. That's how he is." McNair overcame great pain again in 2002, when turf (http://www.answers.com/topic/turf) toe, strained rib (http://www.answers.com/topic/rib) cartilage, and an injured thumb kept him from practicing throughout November and December, though he player in games. Michael Silver wrote in [I]Sports Illustrated that "the mild-mannered Mississippian is becoming a mythical figure in a sport in which the athletes pride themselves on playing hurt," but McNair's wife Mechelle offered a softer image when she explained "he's a big baby at home.... He'll be limping (http://www.answers.com/topic/limp), grimacing, complaining all week, saying there's no way he'll play, and then I'll see him on Sunday running around like nothing's wrong." Coach Jeff Fisher told Football Digest, "Steve is the toughest player I have ever coached."
mack10290 05-16-2009, 06:10 PM Sraighten me out Red, what year was that?...I know it was against Pitt.
Titans played Oakland in '99 AFCCG. Last time Steelers-Titans met in the Playoffs was '02 in Tennessee and Titans won. I dont recall anything about McNair with broken ribs but its possible....he was a gamer.
James 05-16-2009, 06:12 PM OK, it was the Steelers and it was a playoff game, but not the SB year..my bad...I found this on the net!
McNair's rise to prominence has not come without a great deal of pain. During the 1999 season, McNair had midseason surgery on a ruptured disk (http://www.answers.com/topic/herniated-disk) in his lower back, then shocked football fans by returning to led his team through the playoffs. McNair's back pain had been so severe that season that he could not sit for more than 15 minutes at a time, yet he played like a champion in games. Coach Jeff Fisher told Sports Illustrated for Kids that during the 2001 season, "We literally had to help him off the plane when we landed because of his lower back and two or three other . Twenty-four hours later, we're beating Oakland, with Steve running around making plays. That's how he is." McNair overcame great pain again in 2002, when turf (http://www.answers.com/topic/turf) toe, strained rib (http://www.answers.com/topic/rib) cartilage, and an injured thumb kept him from practicing throughout November and December, though he player in games. Michael Silver wrote in [I]Sports Illustrated that "the mild-mannered Mississippian is becoming a mythical figure in a sport in which the athletes pride themselves on playing hurt," but McNair's wife Mechelle offered a softer image when she explained "he's a big baby at home.... He'll be limping (http://www.answers.com/topic/limp), grimacing, complaining all week, saying there's no way he'll play, and then I'll see him on Sunday running around like nothing's wrong." Coach Jeff Fisher told Football Digest, "Steve is the toughest player I have ever coached."
I always told my wife that McNair is one of the toughest football players I've seen. I don't have anything against Favre when it comes to toughness, but McNair could've played in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, & 70's. He was that type of player.
Alfordron 05-16-2009, 06:17 PM I always told my wife that McNair is one of the toughest football players I've seen. I don't have anything against Favre when it comes to toughness, but McNair could've played in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, & 70's. He was that type of player.
McNair was a throwback and is one of my all-time favorites...Should be in the HOF on toughness if nothing else.
Alfordron 05-16-2009, 06:20 PM Titans played Oakland in '99 AFCCG. Last time Steelers-Titans met in the Playoffs was '02 in Tennessee and Titans won. I dont recall anything about McNair with broken ribs but its possible....he was a gamer.
It was actually a torn rib cartilage, which they said was more painfull than a broken rib.
mack10290 05-16-2009, 06:35 PM At the risk of being a homer, I gotta wonder why Roethlisberger isnt more prominent in this conversation? The guy took a beating last year behind a suspect O-line and not only kept playing but won the SB!
I've seen some other tough guys at QB but what always impresses me most is when they scrape themselves off the turf and still play well. Its a short list of those that could do that......Farve usually got rid of it before getting hit, same with Marino....Brady and Manning get rattled under pressure, same for Steve Young.....Jim Kelly got totally abused and could be rattled to the point of making poor decisions. The guys I've seen that could take it and still dish it out?.....Elway....Montana....Aikman.....Stallbach. ...Bradshaw.....Roethlisberger.....
....McNair.....Roger Craig.....probably a few more that I'm forgetting.....
RedGoneWILD 05-16-2009, 06:40 PM At the risk of being a homer, I gotta wonder why Roethlisberger isnt more prominent in this conversation? The guy took a beating last year behind a suspect O-line and not only kept playing but won the SB!
that's basically what kept me from mentioning Big Ben...dude is made of steel...I've had some friends try to tell me he puts on a show to make people think he's hurt, but they are usually Eagles or Ravens fans....Ben takes a beating weekly and still has 2 rings in 5 years
PS: Roger Craig was a running back :winking0071:
James 05-16-2009, 06:50 PM Big Ben is tough. He took a beating this past season and still won the Super Bowl.
mack10290 05-16-2009, 07:30 PM that's basically what kept me from mentioning Big Ben...dude is made of steel...I've had some friends try to tell me he puts on a show to make people think he's hurt, but they are usually Eagles or Ravens fans....Ben takes a beating weekly and still has 2 rings in 5 years
PS: Roger Craig was a running back :winking0071:
Yeah who am I thinking of? Played for the Chiefs for a long time .......cant think of his name.....
mack10290 05-16-2009, 07:37 PM I was thinking of Steve DeBerg. Not sure why I thought his name was something Craig.....?
dfr52 05-16-2009, 08:46 PM I remember watching Pastorini with the Oilers in the 70's. I remember how bulky that flak jacket was. I agree on McNair. He was the toughest QB I've seen as well.
A real warrior and die hard competitor. A bit of a throwback.
dfr52 05-16-2009, 08:52 PM At the risk of being a homer, I gotta wonder why Roethlisberger isnt more prominent in this conversation? The guy took a beating last year behind a suspect O-line and not only kept playing but won the SB!
I've seen some other tough guys at QB but what always impresses me most is when they scrape themselves off the turf and still play well. Its a short list of those that could do that......Farve usually got rid of it before getting hit, same with Marino....Brady and Manning get rattled under pressure, same for Steve Young.....Jim Kelly got totally abused and could be rattled to the point of making poor decisions. The guys I've seen that could take it and still dish it out?.....Elway....Montana....Aikman.....Stallbach. ...Bradshaw.....Roethlisberger.....
....McNair.....Roger Craig.....probably a few more that I'm forgetting.....
that's basically what kept me from mentioning Big Ben...dude is made of steel...I've had some friends try to tell me he puts on a show to make people think he's hurt, but they are usually Eagles or Ravens fans....Ben takes a beating weekly and still has 2 rings in 5 years
PS: Roger Craig was a running back :winking0071:
I have to agree on Big Ben. IMO he might be the toughest QB in the game right now. He has taken many, many, hits so far in his career but continues to play well and lead the Steelers.
I don't blame Kelly for his performance in Super Bowl 27 as the Cowboys defense was playing lights out.
dfr52 05-16-2009, 08:55 PM Wow! I can't believe that dfr52 revived my almost 3 year old thread. I'd forgotten it was mine...lol
Nice thread, 3 yrs old and its doing well.:cheer2:
rickysigai 05-16-2009, 09:11 PM 1.leftwhich in college when he had the broken leg and his o-line men carried him after each play to the line that was tough
2. jeff hostelter played with 3 concusions in one game!!!! got one in the first came out 1 play then got one in the third quater missed 3 plays and then one in the fourth and missed till they punted then came back in thats freaking tough
dfr52 05-16-2009, 11:13 PM 1.leftwhich in college when he had the broken leg and his o-line men carried him after each play to the line that was tough
2. jeff hostelter played with 3 concusions in one game!!!! got one in the first came out 1 play then got one in the third quater missed 3 plays and then one in the fourth and missed till they punted then came back in thats freaking tough
Good one, I forgot about his performance in that game.
BobSanders021 05-17-2009, 12:05 AM 1.leftwhich in college when he had the broken leg and his o-line men carried him after each play to the line that was tough
2. jeff hostelter played with 3 concusions in one game!!!! got one in the first came out 1 play then got one in the third quater missed 3 plays and then one in the fourth and missed till they punted then came back in thats freaking tough
i forgot about that one too lol
but i would say favre is prolly the toughest
RedGoneWILD 05-17-2009, 05:28 AM I was thinking of Steve DeBerg. Not sure why I thought his name was something Craig.....?
Dave Krieg played for the Chiefs...he spent most of his career with Seattle though, and his perhaps best known for being sacked 7 times in one game by Derrick Thomas
mack10290 05-17-2009, 12:17 PM Dave Krieg played for the Chiefs...he spent most of his career with Seattle though, and his perhaps best known for being sacked 7 times in one game by Derrick Thomas
Yeah ok.....I knew there was a QB named Craig...or Krieg....LOL. I was thinking of DeBerg as the tough guy tho. That guy could take a pounding and still play.
jasonluckydog17 05-17-2009, 02:34 PM Jake Delhomme
HerdsMan87 05-17-2009, 04:11 PM randall cunningham, and archie manning (got killed every week!!) terry bradshaw also took a beating
The first name I thought of when I got to this thread. Only really had one big injury that ended his season, came back and lead the Eagles to the playoffs. For his style of play, and who he played against, he was so tough. He made Bruce Smith and LT look stupid! A scrambling QB in the era where some of the best defensive players played, Randall is one of the toughest
HerdsMan87 05-17-2009, 04:13 PM 1.leftwhich in college when he had the broken leg and his o-line men carried him after each play to the line that was tough
2. jeff hostelter played with 3 concusions in one game!!!! got one in the first came out 1 play then got one in the third quater missed 3 plays and then one in the fourth and missed till they punted then came back in thats freaking tough
What an image. That was an amazing moment, though most people forget, Marshall actually lost that game haha. But we don't usually like to bring that up, and just leave it as Byron moving the ball down the field. Great game, great image.
gordon24 05-18-2009, 01:29 AM I think Brett Favre and Steve Young.
Alfordron 05-18-2009, 08:52 PM McNair's rise to prominence has not come without a great deal of pain. During the 1999 season, McNair had midseason surgery on a ruptured disk (http://www.answers.com/topic/herniated-disk) in his lower back, then shocked football fans by returning to led his team through the playoffs. McNair's back pain had been so severe that season that he could not sit for more than 15 minutes at a time, yet he played like a champion in games. Coach Jeff Fisher told Sports Illustrated for Kids that during the 2001 season, "We literally had to help him off the plane when we landed because of his lower back and two or three other . Twenty-four hours later, we're beating Oakland, with Steve running around making plays. That's how he is." McNair overcame great pain again in 2002, when turf (http://www.answers.com/topic/turf) toe, strained rib (http://www.answers.com/topic/rib) cartilage, and an injured thumb kept him from practicing throughout November and December, though he player in games. Michael Silver wrote in [I]Sports Illustrated that "the mild-mannered Mississippian is becoming a mythical figure in a sport in which the athletes pride themselves on playing hurt," but McNair's wife Mechelle offered a softer image when she explained "he's a big baby at home.... He'll be limping (http://www.answers.com/topic/limp), grimacing, complaining all week, saying there's no way he'll play, and then I'll see him on Sunday running around like nothing's wrong." Coach Jeff Fisher told Football Digest, "Steve is the toughest player I have ever coached."
Ripken8fan55 05-18-2009, 11:07 PM I`ll go with Brett Favre and Steve McNair. Brett`s gotta be number 1 though. I remember a game way back at the beginng where he took a hard hit came to the sidelines and puked blood and was back in the next play. Tough as nails!
Tom
atma232 05-29-2009, 06:47 PM Bobby Layne. Retired with the Steelers in 1962 and never wore a face mask in his 15 yr career.
ms4epg1 05-29-2009, 06:59 PM John Elway
policeradio556 05-30-2009, 02:48 AM It sure isnt Mr Campbells Chunky soup McNabb...That guy could pull a groin rolling out of bed in the morning and miss the whole season...Certainly not that twinkletoed Tony Romo...I mean cmon guys if you could have Jessica Simpson nurse you back to health wouldnt you wanna get hurt?
Terry Bradshaw is one tough SOB
Any Oakland Raiders QB or Texans QB
jason122883 05-30-2009, 03:49 AM I gotta go with two former Lions. Charlie Batch was the toughest I have ever seen, and Kitna, though I disliked him was very tough himself
WHEC716 05-30-2009, 10:57 PM How about Don Merideth
spuds1961 05-31-2009, 10:33 AM Can't believe no one has said Jaws,Ron jaworski took some of lt's most vicious sacks and always came back for more.Also when phil simms first came to the giants he was a doormat,He spent more time on the turf than a lawn mower.Take care Steve
bears.lions22 05-31-2009, 08:55 PM Matt schwaub and BIG ben
HeavyHitter 06-01-2009, 01:36 AM McNair........Favre
blewis290 06-01-2009, 02:15 AM Have to throw my vote in for Favre as well. That many consecutive starts, with some of the injuries he had, and the weather in Green Bay.
Vote for NCAA QB would be Bucky Richardson from Texas A&M. Don't think he was completely right in the head :)
cj3113 06-01-2009, 02:40 AM I'd have to say Favre as well, but McNair has got to be close.
Sweetsmelling15 06-01-2009, 02:42 AM favre Mcnair and Elway
ColtCrazy 06-01-2009, 01:26 PM Peyton Manning - broke his jaw...missed 1 play.
Favre - longevity
Tarkenton - For his ability to scramble and still put up good passing numbers for the 70s.
Elway - tough as nails, his super bowl plunge is a classic play
No way I could put David Carr on this list. Did he survive? Yes, but was he tough? Did he persevere? I think of someone like Warren Moon that was sacked a lot AND a good QB. Carr wasn't both.
James 06-01-2009, 01:36 PM Bobby Layne. Retired with the Steelers in 1962 and never wore a face mask in his 15 yr career.
You said it. The old-tomers get no respect on this forum. Tough as nails.
dfr52 06-01-2009, 03:21 PM You said it. The old-tomers get no respect on this forum. Tough as nails.
I didn't get a chance to see any of the QB's from the 70's or earlier but they had to be tough to play since the rules to protect them were not very strict.
dfr52 06-01-2009, 03:24 PM Peyton Manning - broke his jaw...missed 1 play.
Favre - longevity
Tarkenton - For his ability to scramble and still put up good passing numbers for the 70s.
Elway - tough as nails, his super bowl plunge is a classic play
No way I could put David Carr on this list. Did he survive? Yes, but was he tough? Did he persevere? I think of someone like Warren Moon that was sacked a lot AND a good QB. Carr wasn't both.
Any rc QB that starts off like Couch and Carr will fail. History has shown that when a rc QB isn't protected early on they are pretty much ruined the rest of their careers.
James 06-01-2009, 03:28 PM I didn't get a chance to see any of the QB's from the 70's or earlier but they had to be tough to play since the rules to protect them were not very strict.
They didn't have very many rules. Unlike today QB's are treated like babies.
James 06-01-2009, 03:29 PM Any rc QB that starts off like Couch and Carr will fail. History has shown that when a rc QB isn't protected early on they are pretty much ruined the rest of their careers.
Can you say Matthew Stafford.
CUHATIN 06-01-2009, 03:44 PM J. Kelly, Favre, Marino and P. manning to name a few
dfr52 06-01-2009, 04:45 PM Can you say Matthew Stafford.
If he plays and OL can't block-yes. I don't like seeing QB's fail for that reason so I hope he gets protected.
James 06-01-2009, 04:58 PM If he plays and OL can't block-yes. I don't like seeing QB's fail for that reason so I hope he gets protected.
I hate seeing them fail as well, but I don't think we'll see a Ryan or Flacco this year.
dfr52 06-01-2009, 07:52 PM I hate seeing them fail as well, but I don't think we'll see a Ryan or Flacco this year.
Sanchez might be in a situation similar to those two as the Jets have a good OL and solid running game.
James 06-01-2009, 08:22 PM Sanchez might be in a situation similar to those two as the Jets have a good OL and solid running game.
You might be right on Sanchez, though right now I would say is a little overrated myself. I'd be surprised if the QB's from this draft amount to anything. I could be very wrong though.
rickysigai 06-01-2009, 08:30 PM i`m still sticking with my first two but kyle boller got freaking killed his first two years and never complained at all- they even cheared when he got hurt
Titantron 06-02-2009, 10:53 AM Hands Down. It is Steve McNair. Just on Toughness alone. It's not his fault he played for smaller market Teams. I dont think it is even close. I'm just a fan. NFL players would know the best. Ray Lewis, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Steve Young, Mike Ditka, and many other HOF greats have agreed and made similar statements about McNair being the Toughest gut to ever play the Game. In 2003 he played with 12 different injuries and still won NFL MVP.
TheBig6 06-02-2009, 10:50 PM Bradshaw always got hurt against the Oilers but after a short stint in ther locker room he would come back and beat the oilers
Billy Kilmer was a tough cookie also
jjdtx 06-02-2009, 11:38 PM Hands Down. It is Steve McNair. Just on Toughness alone. It's not his fault he played for smaller market Teams. I dont think it is even close. I'm just a fan. NFL players would know the best. Ray Lewis, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Steve Young, Mike Ditka, and many other HOF greats have agreed and made similar statements about McNair being the Toughest gut to ever play the Game. In 2003 he played with 12 different injuries and still won NFL MVP.
Totally agree - I would have to say a tie between McNair and Favre though
olemissfan20 06-02-2009, 11:46 PM Favre
Mcnair
Carr
and Jeff George every time i watched his games i got a headache lol
hodee 06-03-2009, 12:30 AM Just about any QB from the 50's/60's generation should get some love! Those guys would get clobbered.....I'll also throw Archie Manning in the mix....I'm suprised he can still walk....
Alfordron 07-04-2009, 08:41 PM McNair's rise to prominence has not come without a great deal of pain. During the 1999 season, McNair had midseason surgery on a ruptured disk (http://www.answers.com/topic/herniated-disk) in his lower back, then shocked football fans by returning to led his team through the playoffs. McNair's back pain had been so severe that season that he could not sit for more than 15 minutes at a time, yet he played like a champion in games. Coach Jeff Fisher told Sports Illustrated for Kids that during the 2001 season, "We literally had to help him off the plane when we landed because of his lower back and two or three other . Twenty-four hours later, we're beating Oakland, with Steve running around making plays. That's how he is." McNair overcame great pain again in 2002, when turf (http://www.answers.com/topic/turf) toe, strained rib (http://www.answers.com/topic/rib) cartilage, and an injured thumb kept him from practicing throughout November and December, though he player in games. Michael Silver wrote in [I]Sports Illustrated that "the mild-mannered Mississippian is becoming a mythical figure in a sport in which the athletes pride themselves on playing hurt," but McNair's wife Mechelle offered a softer image when she explained "he's a big baby at home.... He'll be limping (http://www.answers.com/topic/limp), grimacing, complaining all week, saying there's no way he'll play, and then I'll see him on Sunday running around like nothing's wrong." Coach Jeff Fisher told Football Digest, "Steve is the toughest player I have ever coached."
Toughest ever!....RIP
49ersCollector 07-04-2009, 08:43 PM steve young
xposipx 07-04-2009, 08:45 PM Chris Simms has to be mentioned here as well.
dfr52 07-04-2009, 08:48 PM Toughest ever!....RIP
Easily one of the toughest players I have seen. If anything positive can happen maybe this will help others appreciate how talented he was.
Titantron 07-04-2009, 08:49 PM I said it before on this thread. Its McNair.
Alfordron 07-04-2009, 08:56 PM Easily one of the toughest players I have seen. If anything positive can happen maybe this will help others appreciate how talented he was.
I saw it from the first day he arrived here in Houston. After Moon left the entire Oiler team wanted McNair to be the starter, but they brought in Chris Chandler who was supposed to tudor McNair but had no repsect of the team, which McNair had already established. He should have been a startrer at least 2 years before it happened. IMO i think that would have given him enough numbers get in The Hall!
bearfield 07-10-2009, 04:55 PM montana came back from a couple career ending injuries.
James 07-10-2009, 05:03 PM montana came back from a couple career ending injuries.
He did indeed, back injuries. I'll never forget the hit Jim Burt of the Giants put on him.
AdrianPDonovanM 07-10-2009, 05:08 PM Donovan McNabb the most crtized person in the NFL and he comes back from all kinds of injuries too me not caring about those pesky people and some of the injuries he has had thats tough!
dfr52 07-10-2009, 06:43 PM He did indeed, back injuries. I'll never forget the hit Jim Burt of the Giants put on him.
L. Marshall jacked him pretty good in the playoffs as well.
Ray33 07-10-2009, 11:29 PM Ryan Leaf
soccer-n-golf 07-11-2009, 01:18 AM Have to be a homer and say McNabb....no one remembers the game he played on a broken leg against the Cardinals and had 3 or 4 TD passes....others would be Favre & McNair.
James 07-11-2009, 09:36 AM L. Marshall jacked him pretty good in the playoffs as well.
I forgot about that one. Do you remember that hit Jim Burt put on him? That was a wicked, vicious hit!
dfr52 07-11-2009, 04:23 PM I forgot about that one. Do you remember that hit Jim Burt put on him? That was a wicked, vicious hit!
I can't picture it but I know I've seen it before on the NFL Network.
James 07-11-2009, 04:28 PM I can't picture it but I know I've seen it before on the NFL Network.
That was one heck of a hit.
bearfield 07-11-2009, 04:46 PM and he came back from both of those hits. nobody ever gives him credit for being tough because he is remembered for winning 4 super bowls, the catch and the comeback.
patssoxlover 07-18-2009, 08:07 AM Not to be a homer but I have to throw in Steve Grogan from the late 70's and 80's Patriots. Played through a lot of injuries, and it seemed like every other play was a run/scramble for dear life.
dfr52 07-18-2009, 05:27 PM Not to be a homer but I have to throw in Steve Grogan from the late 70's and 80's Patriots. Played through a lot of injuries, and it seemed like every other play was a run/scramble for dear life.
Very true, those Pats teams were not too good. A few good years but other ones that were rough.
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