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I was searching for Doug Flutie cards and came across this.

What the heck? The guy stamped the card himself and is selling it as a 1 of 1 card. Please the card has no value now.

I can't believe people sell stuff like this.

Don't worry, I see this garbage 1/1 "Diamond Edition" cards all the time. The seller never replies to emails attacking him. Oh well, if people bid on it :(, which they do, it's a shame.

Tim

Originally posted by stkmtimo
Don't worry, I see this garbage 1/1 "Diamond Edition" cards all the time. The seller never replies to emails attacking him. Oh well, if people bid on it :(, which they do, it's a shame.

Tim

Don't people get it that these cards aren't rare or valuable if the guy has about 1000 of them all stamped 1 of 1.

Yeah, that's what makes me laugh about it. It's sorta funny to see thousands of rare 1/1s lol.

Tim

there's an easy way to teach a seller like that a lesson. Go to a public library, log on, register with an email address and with Ebay user name, then bid like hell to raise up the price.

Just wait until the seller sees his fees on an auction that went for an amazing $1,500!!! And when he realizes the bidder isn't paying

lolol

Good idea, I'd love to do that.

Tim

That is a good idea, might have to find the nearest library...

Wow! That guy put a good amount of time into that! It is decieving as the stamp looks so nice. The things people will do.

BGray

and he has good feedback to boot, what is with that.

I don't understand either. What a scammer.

Tim

We made a big deal about this on the etopps message board 5 or so months ago. There's like a dozen sellers who stamp these worthless cards with their own made stamps and then sell them on eBay. One guy actually replied to an e-mail and I must say, although he is scamming people who don't know better, he showed that he does follow proper procedures and does tell what the card really is if you read the description.

a scammer is a scammer.

sort of like con men who prey on the elderly and invalid.

it's a shame what some will go through to make money. even prostitution is more honorable than this.

that is a shame people will try and make money anyway they can

Originally posted by VinceCarter15
that is a shame people will try and make money anyway they can

Yeah I know. Hopefully people won't buy from this guy and others and they will leave ebay.

New collectors can easily be fooled by these people thinking that these cards are very rare and valuable when in fact they aren't.

You're right. And if someone collects one player and sees one of those cards, they'll think it's rare and buy it for their collection. What a shame.

Tim

one would think, in this day and age, that you wouldn't just go out and blindly buy stuff without doing some research on stuff you don't know.

with the Internet, it makes searching for information so incredibly easy.

No need to go to the library, or call some expert. Just surf the net.

This idiot (and the others who run this scam) are selling them for $9.00, but the worst part is people are buying them. I wish someone would tell them they're worthless with the stamp.

Tim

Now I have to disagree with all of you. Not on all parts but on some parts. There are unfortunately people that are out there that do not know better about these cards. Now with many of these auction if you take time to read them most if not all state that they are post production cards. There are some that are for some sort of cause. And this is one way to add a different type of card to your collection. I will say and I am not ashamed to say it either that I have bought some of these cards. The only ones I have done is J.R. Redmond since I mainly collect him. I have not bought many but it does add a little twist to my collection. Are they worth any value money wise? No but they do have value to me as a collector to him. Now I am not trying to say that it is wrong to not like what they are doing or not to like the cards. All I am trying to say is that if you don't like it then don't deal with it or look at it. I know it can at times get anoying or even frustating to see a 1/1 or 1 of 1 in the descreption and it end up being one of these cards but it is going to happen and it is going to continue. I hope everyone that reads this understand what I am trying to say and if you have any questions just let me know. :)

Richie
mookigremlin
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P.S. Also to say, I am not in anyway, shape or form trying to say that anyone is correct or incorrect in how they feal. I am just trying to get my opinion heard. ;)

Richie,
I really like your post. I just wish the sellers wouldn't sell them for that much. That's cool that you've bought a Redmond. I can see how you want to add a twist to your collection. I just don't like the 1/1 of discriptions like you said, too. Good post.

Tim

Thanks Tim. I am glad that you understand the point of view that I am trying to get across. To go after a couple of cards is great but I can see where it would be useless to go after many. ie (try to build a set). hehe. That would be nuts.

Now, with the prices I can understand that it would be a waste. There are some Redmond ones that I did pass up due to the price thing. There is one that I have seen several time that is something to do with a back pack program or something. I think that it looks kinda cool but I won't spend that price as many won't either. The ones that I have gotten I believe I got for like $4.99 or something. So I was looking at about $7 with shipping to add something different. hehe. If I see that back pack one up there at $5 or less at one time or another I would prolly get it since it is different. Welp that is about it for me. :)

Richie
mookigremlin
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Cool, go for it. I've seen the Backpack ones too. Let me know how it goes, I'm interested to see how you make out. Thanks.

Tim

PS - I forgot to ask. Why do you like Redmond so much? Not that it's odd, I like Michael Cloud from the Chiefs and collect his cards, too. Just wondering! Always interested to hear other collector's stories. Thanks!

Richie,
I was on eBay looking for cards from a set from Fleer Showcase Baseball called "Sweet Sigs" (autograph on a piece of a bat or ball, or piece of a wall), and I saw the guy had a Redmond card #14/15 listed. I knew you would be bidding on it, sure enough, I check and you were! Did you win it?

Tim

Actually, he is not following the rules. I believe that he is breaching Copyright Laws and Is selling a non-licensed NFL item as if it were licensed. If you guyz want to get him you should refer Pacific to the link and I am pretty sure that they will nip it in the Butt. The Card Companies pay a TON of money to the NFL for the right to produce cards (a license). This guy is making money off of a license that he does not have.

Originally posted by stkmtimo
Richie,
I was on eBay looking for cards from a set from Fleer Showcase Baseball called "Sweet Sigs" (autograph on a piece of a bat or ball, or piece of a wall), and I saw the guy had a Redmond card #14/15 listed. I knew you would be bidding on it, sure enough, I check and you were! Did you win it?

Tim

Let me first start with why I collect J.R. Redmond. Back in 1998 I was getting into collecting football cards. I did not have a player or team to collect so I descided to go with the Patriots since I liked them. Now since I started collecting the Patriots the sure enough thing to do was to look at the best rookie that they had coming out that year and it was Robert Edwards. He was having a great season that year so I started to get more of his cards. Then off season came and he had his knee busted. Towards that time I was having some personal problems so I had stoped collecting. Welp back in later part of 2001 I started to collect again. I was checking to see how Edwards was doing since there was a chance he could come back. After the news of him coming back and then going to the Phins I descided I needed to collect someone else. It was a toss up between Kevin Faulk and J.R. Redmond. I was actually collecting Faulk more until one day I had picked up a small lot of Redmond that turned me towards him. After that I just collected his cards. I know he has very little play time at the moment but I am sure that if the Patriots gave him the chance then he could turn out to be a great player. A sleeper if you must say. hehe.

Now with that 14/15. If you are talking about the following:

2724621205 RARE INFINITY PURPLE JR REDMOND RC #'d 14/15

then yes I did win it. hehe. It was a card of his that I did not have yet so it made me happy to win it. Now all I am doing is waiting for that break out season and I will have it made. hehe. :)

Richie
mookigremlin
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This actually isnt that bad of a scan the stamp is actually made during shows the person is not doing it they do these things at the national shows every year so its actually not a scam upperdeck agrees that some of them are 1/1

This whole 1 of 1 mess has gotten a little crazy if you ask me. What burns me more than anything are the people who charge premiums for cards that are numbered with a players jersey number. Example: 2002 SPx Winning Materials Gold Jerry Rice #'D 80/250. These people refer to these cards as a "true 1 of 1". I agree, it would be neat to have a card numbered in such a way, but I don't think it deserves the premium prices that some people are charging for them. Hell...the same Jerry Rice card #'D 47/250 is a 1 of 1 card too. It's the only one numbered 47!! Think about it.

Originally posted by RaiderNation8180
This whole 1 of 1 mess has gotten a little crazy if you ask me. What burns me more than anything are the people who charge premiums for cards that are numbered with a players jersey number. Example: 2002 SPx Winning Materials Gold Jerry Rice #'D 80/250. These people refer to these cards as a "true 1 of 1". I agree, it would be neat to have a card numbered in such a way, but I don't think it deserves the premium prices that some people are charging for them. Hell...the same Jerry Rice card #'D 47/250 is a 1 of 1 card too. It's the only one numbered 47!! Think about it.

Agreed.

I too hate it when sellers do that. They try and make every card seem to be a 1/1 because they don't have one and are trying to get more money for there version. I also would not pay an extra premium even if it was 1/500 to me its just another #.

Originally posted by RaiderNation8180
What burns me more than anything are the people who charge premiums for cards that are numbered with a players jersey number. Example: 2002 SPx Winning Materials Gold Jerry Rice #'D 80/250. These people refer to these cards as a "true 1 of 1". I agree, it would be neat to have a card numbered in such a way, but I don't think it deserves the premium prices that some people are charging for them. Hell...the same Jerry Rice card #'D 47/250 is a 1 of 1 card too. It's the only one numbered 47!! Think about it.

Welp I have to agree with you partly. I will agree that all of this 1 of 1 thing has gotten out of hand. In the manner of saying that a serial number to a jersey number is a 1 of 1. Just like any other number they are all 1 of 1's since there won't be any other like it. Now the reason some buyers ask premium is cause they know someone will pay it. There are SEVERAL people out there that collect Jerry Rice. Some will pay more then others to get a serial numbered card to the jersey number. Just like you showed above with the 80/250. Would I pay or trade more for that card? Nope. Why? Cause I don't collect him. If it were a J.R. Redmond there is a chance I may pay premium but it would all depend on what the premium is. Is it going to be a TRUE 1 of 1? No but it would be something I would want cause I collect him. But over all some people will pay more then others. Guess it would all depend on how deep the pocket is and how much you would want that card. :)

Richie
mookigremlin
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The beautiful thing is that it's all legit, and people buy them. I don't think he's in violation of copyright/license laws, because he's not producing them, just modifying an existing product that he owns. I can't feel too sorry for anyone who is crazy enough to pay a minimum of $4.99 for these ruined cards. What's the saying ... "A fool and his money are soon parted?"

Originally posted by YankeePride
The beautiful thing is that it's all legit, and people buy them. I don't think he's in violation of copyright/license laws, because he's not producing them, just modifying an existing product that he owns. I can't feel too sorry for anyone who is crazy enough to pay a minimum of $4.99 for these ruined cards. What's the saying ... "A fool and his money are soon parted?"

Welp I would have to say that it is not crazy to buy cards of this nature. I have bought a couple myself. I have only bought ones of J.R. Redmond since that is who I collect. I have passed up several times on ones of Favre, Elway, Vick, etc. cause I don't collect those players. Are the ones that I bought worth any money? Nope. Well they are still worth what ever the common price for that set is but they are valuable to me cause I collect Redmond. The stamping thing prolly should not be allowed but since it is being done then why not add a different card of a player you collect to your personal collection? :)

Richie
mookigremlin
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i just checked, he has 4 pages of auctions and has only gotten bids on 4 items, hopefully people have gotten educated on his scheme.

If you read the description he admits whats hes doing by stamping cards after buying them yet going by his feedback they r selling like hotcakes. Its hard to really condemn the guy stupid is as stupid does as they say

TECHNICALLY hes not breaking rules because eBay would have busted him, but we dont need that on eBay, its ruins the integrity of people. I love collecting so much, I wouldn't do that to people, even for a few extra bucks.

Originally posted by jdfan123
If you read the description he admits whats hes doing by stamping cards after buying them yet going by his feedback they r selling like hotcakes. Its hard to really condemn the guy stupid is as stupid does as they say

Well I don't mind if the people are buying it for their collections because that's fine.

But I just hope people aren't buying them thinking that they are REAL 1/1 cards. What's stopping the guy from taking 100 of the same card and stamping them 1/1.

that is funny

I feel bad for all of the people who fall into this, because that's a pretty nice stamp and if someone who doesn't know much about cards will buy this and think that its a steal.

Originally posted by slugger21
I feel bad for all of the people who fall into this, because that's a pretty nice stamp and if someone who doesn't know much about cards will buy this and think that its a steal.

Welp it all depends on how you look at it if it IS a steal or not. Personally I would not go out and buy a Manning or a Favre or even a Vick of one of these cards due to the fact that I don't collect that player. The only player I would even look at with this 1 of 1 post production thing is J.R. Redmond. Would I spend $9.99 on one? Nope, but I would spend $4.99 on one. I know it is not a card that many people would want but due to the fact that I collect Redmond, it adds a nice little twist to my collection. Can the people that have made these make more 1 of 1's just like the one I have? Yes. But there is nothing I can do about it and that is the chance I am willing to take. If they don't make more of the one I have then great and if they did then oh well. Crap happens. I will get over it.

It is sad to see new collector's to actually look at this as an actual 1 of 1 but if the homework is not done then there is nothing that can be done. Many if not all of the auctions I have seen that are post 1 of 1's have said so in the description. So if some one can't read that part then that is their problem.

Over all I have to say that who ever is doing this had come up with a good idea to make money. Do I in courage it? No but I don't condemn it either.

I know that people will and will not agree with me. That does not make anyone correct or wrong on this matter. It is just how you look at it. Welp hope everyone understands and take care. :)

Richie
mookigremlin
:p

Originally posted by mookigremlin
Welp it all depends on how you look at it if it IS a steal or not. Personally I would not go out and buy a Manning or a Favre or even a Vick of one of these cards due to the fact that I don't collect that player. The only player I would even look at with this 1 of 1 post production thing is J.R. Redmond. Would I spend $9.99 on one? Nope, but I would spend $4.99 on one. I know it is not a card that many people would want but due to the fact that I collect Redmond, it adds a nice little twist to my collection. Can the people that have made these make more 1 of 1's just like the one I have? Yes. But there is nothing I can do about it and that is the chance I am willing to take. If they don't make more of the one I have then great and if they did then oh well. Crap happens. I will get over it.

It is sad to see new collector's to actually look at this as an actual 1 of 1 but if the homework is not done then there is nothing that can be done. Many if not all of the auctions I have seen that are post 1 of 1's have said so in the description. So if some one can't read that part then that is their problem.

Over all I have to say that who ever is doing this had come up with a good idea to make money. Do I in courage it? No but I don't condemn it either.

I know that people will and will not agree with me. That does not make anyone correct or wrong on this matter. It is just how you look at it. Welp hope everyone understands and take care. :)

Richie
mookigremlin
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Richie,
I think that is perfectly fine, especially for a few dollars. When it starts getting upwards of $10-$20+ than that's way too much. I like your reasoning and agree with you. Personally, I probably wouldn't have bought one. Just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to one!

Tim

Originally posted by podstock
there's an easy way to teach a seller like that a lesson. Go to a public library, log on, register with an email address and with Ebay user name, then bid like hell to raise up the price.

Just wait until the seller sees his fees on an auction that went for an amazing $1,500!!! And when he realizes the bidder isn't paying

lolol

Sorry to burst your bubble...but if I'm correct (I registered w/ Ebay in 1998), you now need a credit card to register as a new member.

Vic