Been waiting a few days, even sweeter in person.
Dontrelle Willis /175, NFT

whaaaaaaaaaat, dangggg thats nice!!

WOW that is a sick sick sick patch.

I might have overpaid (145) but I couldn' resist!

very sweet. u got da whole logo!

This is one of the best patches I have seen. Congrats on the nice buy.

R

One of the best I have seen too. Congrats!!

You also got %100 ripped off. The card is fake. There is no Dontrelle Willis next generation jumbo swatch prime.
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Jumbo Swatch Prime 1 Brian Roberts/5
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Jumbo Swatch Prime 2 Josh Beckett/10
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Jumbo Swatch Prime 4 Adam Dunn/6
these are the only 3
theres this, which is not your card,
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Team Logo Patch 12 Dontrelle Willis/15
but there is this, which is your card with the regular jersey pulled out and a patch inserted in its place,
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Jumbo Swatch 12 Dontrelle Willis/175 $3.00 $8.00
BV is $8
you need to email the seller and demand a refund because you got taken big time.
If you need help doing your homework on these types of cards before you litterally give your money away feel free to contact me.
Im very sorry this happend to you, and Im not talking out my a$$, I do extensive research on jumbo patches all the time.
Also please share with us all the ebay sellers info so that I can add it to m list and nobody else gets ripped off also.

Thats one thign that did throw me off, because that is such a big part of the patch for them to make 175 of them, but seems like u did get ripped off from what sneekc is saying, u need to get the refund asap bro. good luck

This is also #rd to 175 and the card says "jersey" just like yours. This set labled EVERY card with what part of the jersey, logo, number patch, sleeve patch, etc.
Also I assumed it came off ebay, but I dont see any completed listings for that card. Id be after the seller of I was you.

heres the link to the pic, I took it off Ebay and put it in my bucket. SCF wouldnt let me load the pic for some reason,
http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a222/beckercody/?start=#imgAnch1

You need to send an email ASAP!!!!!!!!! to the Seller!! sneekc is right, there is no Dontrelle Willis card like that, especially /175. Get your money back, hopefully u paid through paypal's becuase you can file a claim. Best of luck

I don't understand what you guys are saying. Why isn't it real? Jerseys can be patches too.

heres a link to the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dontrelle-Willis-5-color-Super-Patch-Team-Logo-WOW_W0QQitemZ250001817068QQihZ015QQcategoryZ98015Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Yeah that's it. What should I say (exactly) to the seller.

You also got %100 ripped off. The card is fake. There is no Dontrelle Willis next generation jumbo swatch prime.
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Jumbo Swatch Prime 1 Brian Roberts/5
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Jumbo Swatch Prime 2 Josh Beckett/10
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Jumbo Swatch Prime 4 Adam Dunn/6
these are the only 3
theres this, which is not your card,
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Team Logo Patch 12 Dontrelle Willis/15
but there is this, which is your card with the regular jersey pulled out and a patch inserted in its place,
2005 Prime Patches Next Generation Jumbo Swatch 12 Dontrelle Willis/175 $3.00 $8.00
BV is $8
you need to email the seller and demand a refund because you got taken big time.
If you need help doing your homework on these types of cards before you litterally give your money away feel free to contact me.
Im very sorry this happend to you, and Im not talking out my a$$, I do extensive research on jumbo patches all the time.
Also please share with us all the ebay sellers info so that I can add it to m list and nobody else gets ripped off also.

You are good person to know. :)

The jersey was not pulled out, patches can count as jerseys. I'm calling Donruss or whoever makes it tomorrow and asking them.

I check some of the past auctions they left feedback on and found these....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=98015&item=250001760056

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25216&item=8779387542

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25203&item=8767068378

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25191&item=8771786530

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=56044&item=8816989808

Thanks so much, knight. I will contact him right now.

I see so many cards on ebay like that and i check in there past auctions to see if there's a pattern and usually there is. This seller for the most part sells legit cards but looks like they tweak a few here and there to make some quick cash. If paid by paypal make a claim and try to get proof from Donruss somehow to get your money back. GL

Knight- I emailed Donruss and asked them about patches in that set. Using their response email as proof, then what? I paid via PayPal so Should I file a claim or wait for him to send money back to me. I sent him this email:

Dear Mr. Lucas,

I will be sending my card back to you for a reimbursement of $147. I want to receive the funds via PayPal to xxx@xxx.com .After discussing it will fellow members I have concluded that my card is not real and that you tampered with it. We looked at your purchases and found that you buy patches and them insert them into jerseys and sell them. The card will be sent back out Monday 7/10/2006 in the same condition it arrived in and I will be leaving appropriate feedback. If payment of $147 is not sent to me within 10 days, I will be filing a claim against you. It is terrible how you do this to people, and you have lost my business. I will be awaiting payment in a few days.

Thank you all for your help spotting this crook. Knights posts really sealed the deal.

Also, I filed a dispute on PayPal. When I get his bogus "It's real what are you talking about" or "I didn't know it was fake" response I will escalate it to a claim to get my money back.

you never know email beckett or absolute or whoever made it and see what they say.

but wouldnt that bwe a 1/1???

its also really danged up

Wow! Is there a way to block a seller on Ebay? I want to make sure I never get anything from this guy.

G

Do not send the card back untill you get a refund. Paypal will have you do dilivery comfirmation to send the card back and get your refund

One more option for you here. If you paid via paypal WITH CREDIT CARD BACKED FUNDS, you can contact your credit card company and reverse the charges. Since your credit card company will take a loss, they will fight for you as well. They can be your best allies in situations like this. I have been a member of ebay for 6 years now and had to do this maybe 3 or 4 times. Everytime I received 100% of my money back from Citibank.

When paying by paypal, always back your purchases with a credit card if possible!!

Good luck and let us know how you make out...
wayne

OK Guys here's an update. I filed for a claim on PayPal. And yes, it was funded by a bank account backed up by a credit card.

I received these 2 emails from the seller:

Hi--I in NO WAY tampered or touched the card. I do NO such thing...you can look...I purchased this card right off of eBAY...go ahead and take a look. I need money so I decided to sell some of the cards I bought, however, I never thought that there were any problems with it. I'll file a claim myself against the person I bought it from. I don't screw anyone...take a look at my feedback. Like I said in the my note...if somebody is unhappy I'll refund payment...no problem...however, I don't like being accused of something I didn't do...THAT IS NOT RIGHT!!! Like I said...take a look back through my profile and you'll see that this is the exact card I purchased just a little while ago off of eBay...I had no idea that there was a problem w/ it. Also in regards to feedback...I'd appreciate it if you would leave positive when refund has been rcv'd. All I ask is that you go back and take a look at my profile..find that card...and you'll see that I did nothing to it and had no idea that the person I bought it from had...I swear to you...check it out for yourself. I'll be contacting eBay also b/c this then means that I got ripped...so before you have hard feeling towards me...take a breath...and get the whole picture...and we work it out between us...and then if what you say is true...I'll take my case to ebay b/c the person I got it from sold me an altered card. Chuck

Hi again...I just went back to look for my purchase of the card..unfortunately the pic isn't available anymore but I'll give you the auction number (8749455586) and you can at least read the description and see what photoking0313 says about the card b/c that is who I bought it from and card went to you just as he sent it to me. As far as I was concerned, I thought everything was fine, but I never took it any where to have it checked out...I guess I was fooled. So anyway, now my first goal is to make things right with you and then go back after this guy. I just wanted you to see that I'm NOT putting patches or tampering with card so I don't want you to be angry w/ me. If the card is truly alter...I had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. All I ask is that you check out that auction so that you can see it for yourself. Chuck

I did check the auction, and I think it wasn't he who tampered it. I emailed him back with this:

Chuck,

I can understand you're concerns, and I believe you that it wasn't you. However, I will still be wanting a $147.00 refund. According to PayPal, I get the refund first and then send the card with delivery conformation. Please send all payments to xxx@xxxcom . Thanks, and I look forward to your response.

Thats good news then, I'm hoping all the best for you.

Also, I was examining this card up close. Since patches are on top of jerseys worn by the players, i was double checking for jersey. In one of the corners, I saw where (barely) where the patch ends. I saw white card, no jersey. Even more proof it is fake.

The yellow circle on the attachment is the corner I'm talking about.

That's BS. If he wasn't the one that inserted the fake patch, then how does he have feedback from 5 other logo patches? If you really won't to get this guy good(once you get refunded would be safest =P) ask for the item numbers where he bought those full logo patches too. I still think he's the scammer.

i bet a lot that he bought a marlins logo and put it on that card......!

Matty, I totally agree with you. Looking thru his feedback you'll also noticed he sold this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25216&item=8779387542

Seems to me these are the patches he's using.


Either way, as long as your getting your refund, thats all that matters. He seems very protective of his feedback so dont be afraid to use that to your advantage if he gives you trouble.

GL!

#1. This guy is BS. He has more than one Ebay account. And happily shill bids on his items that arent reaching the amount of payment he would like. He is buying patches under one account (72dolfins) this is one patch he buys, 8779387542, this is the auction where he sells a card with the patch piece in it 8816989808, and wins his own auction due to shilling on it.
#2. Get your refund and slap a negative. Forget about saying "nice guy, gave me a refund". Instead try, SELLS FAKE PATCHES SEVERAL EBAY ID'S TO BUY AND SELL TO FOOL YOU. STAY AWAY FRAUD!"
That may work.
#3. Go to "SITE MAP" in my ebay and add him as a blocked bidder/ buyer. Everyone should do that.
Good luck, and if you have any questions, feel free to post or PM me.

Cody

It is fraud. I am sure if the card companies were notified of this guy they would do something about it. It's people like that that ruin the hobby. I would notify all the card companies.

#1. This guy is BS. He has more than one Ebay account. And happily shill bids on his items that arent reaching the amount of payment he would like. He is buying patches under one account (72dolfins) this is one patch he buys, 8779387542, this is the auction where he sells a card with the patch piece in it 8816989808, and wins his own auction due to shilling on it.


How can you that he has multiple accounts? Did you check to see if the same user names were bidding on each other's stuff? And what are the IDs?

Thanks!

Will

check to see if the same user names were bidding on each other's stuff?

Exactly, also go into site map and there are options there to see what he has bid on. Also this site....http://www.goofbay.com/ebay_tools
has the option to see what people buy and sell and from who. Try it.

look at this...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250001807614&category=55956
thats a new pirates patch. The pirates didnt have patches like that in Clemente's day.
It gets much worse if you look at all the things sold in the past 30 days

What a freaking fraud, people like that really piss me off. Hopefully we can get this bum kicked off Ebay and maybe even worse.

lets start a riot

Got this long read:

Hi-- I wrote those earlier e-mails to you from work this morning...and I was very upset by the news after checking on my e-mails during a break. I wrote you some quick e-mails...now I'm finally back at home...so first thing is first....I will be refunding your PAYPAL payment tomorrow evening....I trust that you'll be still be sending the card back to me on Monday. As you can tell by my feedback....I'm very concerned w/ how I treat people and how they feel I treated them.....over 925 positive transaactions...almost at 100%. That is very hard to obtain and keep with as many transactions as I've had. I've worked for over 18 years for the Federal Government...and have never skipped out or took advantage of somebody...and I'm very trust worthy, hoping that they'll treat me the same way. So tomorrow I'll do the reversal of funds through PAYPAL. I never want you to think that I knowingly sent you an altered card, or that I somehow altered the card myself....so hopefully we are (or will be soon) square. I don't want you mad or upset w/ me.

Which brings me to my next point....I'm almost in the same boat as you....I'm just so GD sick of the people in the card business. There are a lot of good ones..however the bad ones are just horrible and make you want to get out and never come back again. I've been with eBay for a long time, bought a lot of cards and later found out that they are fakes...that is why I now go through PAYPAL when I can...at least if there is a problem you have a chance to get your money back. Through the years...when I rcv'd the card that I purchased on eBay I'd kinda just "eyeball" it for the most part. If it looked "good" I just accepted it as "legit". And as you can see most of my eBay transactions were as buyer, and NOT a seller. I always paid quick...never wanting to screw the seller...you can see all this on my profile. Occasionally then, when I'm a little short on funds, I'll put the very same card back up on eBay, exactly the way I rcv'd them....and then that is when I'd hear from the eBay buying public that the card isn't right or it's altered. Then I'll hear from eBay that there were complaints and I need to pull the card off of auction. I'm a HUGE Marino fan and bid very, very high for some of his cards...especially ones w/ cool, unique patches. They looked fine to me when I got them (sometimes years and years earlier) I put each and everyone straight into a nice thick card holder so they wouldn't get damaged. I'd then take these unique patch cards out to sell (never altering or tampering w/ them IN THE LEAST...THEY ARE JUST AS THEY WERE WHEN I BOUGHT THEM OFF OF EBAY) b/c I needed some big money...then that is when I'd get the first incling that the cards patch might have been altered. I'd then look directly at the card and still couldn't understan what they were talking about...even when told the card looked just fine. Are these guys that good or am I juat that dumb? Cards are just my hobbie...NOT my business...but it has cost me a lot of money and I'm really tired of it all. Where were these people and where was eBay to protect me when I was bidding on these cards? I know I'm rambling on...and I guess what I'm asking is...when I bought the card from "photoking" I had seen somebody had left him negative feedback stating that he alters cards (his feedback is 97%) so....when I rcv'd this Willis Marlins patch card I looked it over pretty well...I even checked it with my hand lens from work. I'm an agriculture specialist who for a living lookins for insects and diseases on agriculture products...you gotta have pretty good eyes for my job and I could detect a GD thing!!! Card back and sides looked right...nothing unusual....corners around the patch area didn't appear creased or bent....it didn't look like or smell like the Marlin was glued on top of some other "plain" patch...at least that is how it appeared to me!!! Just NOT this card but some of my MARINOS...SO HOW THE HELL does someone know when a patch card has been altered or not. I'm extremely frustrated....not only b/c I concerned about how I perceived if and when I do sell....but b/c I feel I've got ripped throughout the years...when I thought the card was legit. Do you think you could tell me what was wrong w/ the WILLIS card and what to lookout for when it come to other patch cards? I'd really appreciate it....in the meantime...I need some cash so I'm selling ONLY BGS or PSA cards.

Get back to me...I'd really appreciate the info...and again I'll reverse the PAYPAL charges tomorrow evening...and please don't make a fool outta me....eventhough you say the card is altered...I like to try to go back after the guy who sold me the card on ebay. Sorry this didn't work out, however it truly isn't and wasn't my fault...hope ya understand....take care,
Chuck

So this guy is probably in the same boat as me. Once the reverse payment is received I will drop the claim and ship his card out Monday. I'm glad this was resolved peacefully.

To be quite honest, I don't believe this seller at all. If he was honest, why would he be so willing to accept the fact that the patch is fake? If I was selling a card that I thought was legit, and someone claimed it was fake, I'd certainly wouldn't take the buyer's word for it. My first thought would be that the buyer decided that paying $150 for a card wasn't a good idea and decided he wanted his money back. Also, sneekc seems to have compelling evidence that this seller is not honest (schil bidding and so forth).

Of course, you should do what you think is right, but I figured I would give you my two cents.

The guy is full of BS, again. Thats the same story they all say. What you should do is get on the phone to paypal and tell them its a fraudulent item. Just like bootleg software, coins, or better yet money. When I got fake money from someone at my store I didnt just give it back and say "good day". Nope, I contacted the authorities and gave it to them. You should email donruss and ask them if they want the card as evidence.
Not only is this guy a cheat, he's really obvious / bad at doing it. Most of these guys will cover there back side, but this guy is just plain stupid.

i just wanna say after reading this, ive done a little research and i just wanna say please SMO3 dont believe what he's saying, you're are the only one at this time who can punish him severely for his actions, what other evidence do you need??? DONT BELIEVE HIM!! he most likely tells the same story to everybody! do something about this for the hobbys sake! not only is he ruining cards he's taking a substantial amount of money from innocent collectors!

Contacting the card companies wont do anything. They have little concern for what happens on the secondary market between 2 private partys. (Its not like they could do anything if they wanted to)

The best course of action is to contact the other buyers within his feedback and warn them so they all start demanding their money back. If they all file paypal and ebay claims of fraud he will lose both accounts. This would be far more damaging to his scam than if he receives a mean letter from upper deck or topps.

yea they can do somethin......

Update- After countless emails with the seller, I am convinced that he did no altering to the cards. He was just selling ones from his previous purchases that he did not alter. Give the guy a break. If anything, he was the one screwed by all of this. I got a full refund including shipping, and am dropping the PayPal claim. I am sending it back to him, and after that it is done. I'm not reporting him to anyone. I truly feel bad for him.

WOW! thats exactly how he always gets away with it!! whatever do what you please.............

Update- After countless emails with the seller, I am convinced that he did no altering to the cards. He was just selling ones from his previous purchases that he did not alter. Give the guy a break. If anything, he was the one screwed by all of this. I got a full refund including shipping, and am dropping the PayPal claim. I am sending it back to him, and after that it is done. I'm not reporting him to anyone. I truly feel bad for him.


how can you possibly take this guys side?? its not just accusations, there is solid proof....HE BOUGHT THE PATCHES ON EBAY!! you are WAAAAAY too gullable!! listen to what sneek says....hell, listen to what EVERYONE has said...you have relayed all the emails on here!! i cant believe the stance you are taking on this, and when you dont do anything, it just makes this guy think he can keep getting away with this.....as said before, if he thought the card was REAL, why would he be so willing to give you a refund?? he isn't a newbie, this isn't the first patch card he has seen....and it is obvious that it is a FAKE....anyone who knows anything about cards would know it is a FAKE...absolutely amazing!! im dumbfounded!!

I haven't posted everything. I don't care what you guys say. I got my money back, and I'll be extra aware in the future. That's all that matters to me.

I haven't posted everything. I don't care what you guys say. I got my money back, and I'll be extra aware in the future. That's all that matters to me.

thats a VERY selfish statement

Not really. I'm just saying I didn't get shorthanded any cash, and I didn't get shorthanded any cards. So I have no real reason to be upset. I don't blame the seller at all.

Reported or not, Atleast you got your money back. I agree with everyone else that it should get reported cause he's only going to find someone else to sucker out of there money. But this is your choice and in the end you got what mattered the most which is your $$$$ back.

I agree, getting my money back was most important. This guy didn't rip me off. He bought the card like this in an older auction. The guy who sold it to him should be reported.

Maybe this thread will help members who bid on eBay to look at sellers history if they see a card that looks too good to be real lol.

#1. This guy is BS. He has more than one Ebay account. And happily shill bids on his items that arent reaching the amount of payment he would like. He is buying patches under one account (72dolfins) this is one patch he buys, 8779387542, this is the auction where he sells a card with the patch piece in it 8816989808, and wins his own auction due to shilling on it.
#2. Get your refund and slap a negative. Forget about saying "nice guy, gave me a refund". Instead try, SELLS FAKE PATCHES SEVERAL EBAY ID'S TO BUY AND SELL TO FOOL YOU. STAY AWAY FRAUD!"
That may work.
#3. Go to "SITE MAP" in my ebay and add him as a blocked bidder/ buyer. Everyone should do that.
Good luck, and if you have any questions, feel free to post or PM me.

Cody

look at this info that cody has provided for you (with NOTHING to gain for himself)....of course the guy isn't gonna admit it to you....he personally purchased numerous patches on ebay....it all adds up, reguardless of what he tells you.......ACTIONS speak MUCH louder than WORDS!! cant believe you would just believe whatever he says to you....thats all you will here from me....im outtie....PEACE!!

I think this guy sells these hoping that a "novice buyer" buys them and won't suspect that they are fake. When somebody catches him, he gives this "sob" story. For every 1 person that catches his fake cards, 10 have no clue. So he is making money off of the people that don't catch it. By giving the other people their money back he is banking on the fact that they won't report him. I really think he is a scam. Good job getting your $$$$ back though. Take care!!!

Jeff

Hey, is there any way that anyone here can contact past buyers of questionable auctions ended recently and try to get more proof that these are not the real thing? Then, we can fight it on our own??

does he have a link to the auction he won the card in? what buyer was it? i dont buy it at all

does he have a link to the auction he won the card in? what buyer was it? i dont buy it at all
Tutall...do you mean this link?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dontrelle-Willis-5-color-Super-Patch-Team-Logo-WOW_W0QQitemZ250001817068QQihZ015QQcategoryZ98015Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Also try this, its very helpful for these situtations....http://www.goofbay.com/ebay_tools
Call it what you want, but I sent the proper info to ebay and to Donruss. Like I said before, this guy is just plain stupid about what he's doing. He buys patches with the same ID he sells them on. Or he sells them on another ID and bids on them with the ID he bought the patch on.

also this would have never been the case being numbered so high. Im looking for a Cardinals purchase by him at this point
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=98015&item=250001760056

few more things. cardfinds is his other id I think. The both sell under ebay uk and the item location is Arlington Heights, Illinois, United States and the dolphins ID is ES, United States. There is no ES abbreviation for a US state.

Cody - i was wanting him to show a link to the auction the seller claims to have bought the card from... he says he bought it and resold so i wanted to see the original auction

Ahh yes, you mean this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=98014&item=8749455586

its not very helpful since the picture is gone and there is virtually no info about the card listed.

I used goofbay after reading your posts (thanks for the tip). When checking for shill bidding on goof bay, would a seller be shill bidding if one ebay id has bid over 100 auctions the seller has had?

Sneek, just a question, but does all of that make this fake also?? It's #'d /250, but is a patch from the donruss zenith you posted above? http://cgi.ebay.com/ALBERT-PUJOLS-DONRUSS-ZENITH-CARDINALS-LOGO-PATCH-RARE_W0QQitemZ150005326228QQihZ005QQcategoryZ98015 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sneek, just a question, but does all of that make this fake also?? It's #'d /250, but is a patch from the donruss zenith you posted above? http://cgi.ebay.com/ALBERT-PUJOLS-DONRUSS-ZENITH-CARDINALS-LOGO-PATCH-RARE_W0QQitemZ150005326228QQihZ005QQcategoryZ98015 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
thats a good question. Heres my analysis, this seller greatfotomoments, sounds like photoking (the one that 72dolfins supposedly got the original patch in question about) 72dolfins also sold the upper part of this patch with the Cardinal head.
here..http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=98015&item=250001760056
this is all way to close for comfort on either of these particular cards. Also the buyer of this Pujols primarily buys his cards. He probably got overzealous, didnt do his homework and was ignorant enough to pay for a fake. (ignorance is the lack of knowledge)
considering that the regular jerseys are /250
as you can see here..(from beckett)
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys 14 Albert Pujols A/250
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys 15 Albert Pujols L/250
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys 16 Albert Pujols B/250
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys 17 Albert Pujols E/250
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys 18 Albert Pujols R/250
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys 19 Albert Pujols T/250
as for the prime versions of this type of card
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys Prime 14 Albert Pujols A/10
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys Prime 15 Albert Pujols L/10
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys Prime 16 Albert Pujols B/10
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys Prime 17 Albert Pujols E/10
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys Prime 18 Albert Pujols R/10
2005 Zenith Spellbound Jerseys Prime 19 Albert Pujols T/10
all are #rd to 10. So yes, in my opinion these are fakes. Both cards. proof is in the pudding. I hate seeing people shell out that type of money for junk.

I used goofbay after reading your posts (thanks for the tip). When checking for shill bidding on goof bay, would a seller be shill bidding if one ebay id has bid over 100 auctions the seller has had?
most likely, but not always. It really depends on when, how much, and how many times in an induvidual auction. I have bought many times from the same seller and only bid on one person's items for a while before as well. Post the usernames and I will take a look and give my opinion.

SM03, what do you think of all of this now?

I really don't know. I'm just frustrated how people would deceive other people into shelling out cash for fake cards. Glad the seller was cooperative and I got a full refund. I don't think 72Dolphins did anything wrong.

thanks for the offer SNEEKC. This is not a costly purchase like SMO3's, but I punched it into goofbayout of curiousity and something fishy came up. i bought item 280003959736

you'll see that user id bbl0955 bids on every single auction from jkgillcards. again, i'm not out that much money if this is shilling, it will be fun to open the packs when i get them. i saw this thread this morning and was shocked so I checked my last purchase from ebay. is there a seller on ebay that you all beleive is an honest seller who i can buy boxes from in the future?

As for this guy (bbl0955) I dont know for sure, but its not likely. The boxes sell for cheap, so maybe he's just a repeat buyer. Shilling is USUALLY over a larger sum of money. In my experience its on items that are over $20 and the shilling is done early so that they dont win there own items. This guy bbl0955 actually wins a lot of these. As a shiller you would not want this and in turn would most likely stop winning the item.
Go with your instint on this type of stuff and just do your homework.
Do a seach for 200* hobby box and you will get a ton of sellers. Blowoutcards is a decent seller, there are many more as well. I dont buy boxes unless they are from a case break here or from my local hobby shops. Hell I dont buy boxes much anymore.
Good Luck!!!

thanks so much for your help and advice

I could be wrong but I believe Blowoutcards actually sells opened boxes where he pulls the hot packs and sells the remainder for a discount.

For boxes, I would buy from Dave and Adams ebay account ... their ID is "Greatboxes". I have personally bought stuff from them off of ebay and direct from their site always without incident.

i second Dave and Adams! i only buy boxes from them, in my opinion the king of hobby boxes.

Man I love this forum, learning a lot of good ideas, thanks :)

I love this forum too. just got back into collecting and the members of this forum have been invaluable. Thanks again.

SHOCKING UPDATE:

The seller emailed me today saying the card came but was severly creased. He sent me pictures (it's creased decently) and now is demanding $70 back to cover him. I say no because I put it in sleeve, toploader, and team bag, wrapped it it paper, and put it in an envelope (like bubble, but does not have bubble wrap). I sent it back in perfect condition so it's not my fault. Also, the card has little value ($8 BV + like $5 for marlins patch = $13). I had to send it back because it's his fault its fake, and why should I pay $70 for nothing! He could still get like $50 for it on eBay at least. On top of that he says just send me the money, and we'll leave each other positive feedback and call it closed. Rediculous! What do I do?

Nevertheless, that money he is demanding was going to be used on a hobby box tomorrow, and be doing a live break on here. Doh!

The scam artist never gives up.

I'm assuming you got the money refunded in full already? If so, DON'T PAY HIM. This guy is a scam artist. Report him to eBay, and to the national Internet Crime Complaint Center: http://www.ic3.gov/, fully explaining that he is selling counterfeit items and the details of your specific experience.

You don't have to leave negative feedback yet. He will almost certainly retaliate with negative feedback. If everything goes well, he will be kicked off eBay before he can leave you negative feedback. Still, if it comes down to leaving negative feedback, it is worth it taking it rather than losing $70, especially losing it to a degenerate.

This guy got too greedy. He wants to squeeze you for $70 for nothing, instead of $140 (or whatever it was) for a fraudulent card.

If you didn't get your money back, please let us know.

Will

I know it sounds silly, but since he is using the postal system to perpetrate his crime, that is a crime in and of itself. They probably won't do much unless you can show them how this is a pattern (see link)..

Heres the link to file a postal fraud complaint:

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm

"Although the Inspection Service cannot resolve routine business disputes between companies and their customers, it can act against a company or individual if there is a pattern of activity suggesting a potential scheme to defraud. Completion of this form is voluntary, but the more information that you enter, the better the Inspection Service may be able to help."

I'm assuming you got the money refunded in full already? If so, DON'T PAY HIM. This guy is a scam artist. Report him to eBay, and to the national Internet Crime Complaint Center: http://www.ic3.gov/, fully explaining that he is selling counterfeit items and the details of your specific experience.

You don't have to leave negative feedback yet. He will almost certainly retaliate with negative feedback. If everything goes well, he will be kicked off eBay before he can leave you negative feedback. Still, if it comes down to leaving negative feedback, it is worth it taking it rather than losing $70, especially losing it to a degenerate.

This guy got too greedy. He wants to squeeze you for $70 for nothing, instead of $140 (or whatever it was) for a fraudulent card.

If you didn't get your money back, please let us know.

Will

I got my money (the $140) back. I am not paying him $70 to get nothing in return. He is quite protective about feedback. Now he's threatening me to file on PayPal to get $70 from me. None of this is my fault.

I got my money (the $140) back. I am not paying him $70 to get nothing in return. He is quite protective about feedback. Now he's threatening me to file on PayPal to get $70 from me. None of this is my fault.

How is going to file a claim through PayPal? Seller Protection? I'm not quite sure out Seller Protection works, but I don't think it would dock money from your account. Of course, you should look into that. Also, I don't know how the claim would work. He already admitted that the card was a fake. Even if you creased the card, it wasn't worth $70 to begin with. Altered cards are worthless. It's his fault for selling counterfeit goods, not yours.

If you can file a complaint with PayPal, definitely do that.

Make sure you save a copy of the auction page you bought this item from, so at least you have a picture of this fake.

Why don't you find out where he lives and beat the snot out of him?:icon_evil

Obviously he is taking advantage of the fact you did not report him early in this game. Paypal and Ebay are both set up to protect the seller...not the buyer...he knows this. Had you made early contact with Ebay they would already be looking at him and he would not dare threaten you will bad feedback.

I would send him an email stating that I do not believe what he is saying. That this is further proof of his scam. I guess he decided not to put the patch back on Ebay now that he has been challenged on it, when he received it he creased it in order to get some money out of it. Have you dropped your complaint?

I would inform him that I have not only contacted the card company, Ebay, Paypal but that I am in the process of filing criminal charges against him with the police department in my town as well as (insert his town here). Let him know that if he continues harassing you, you will follow through with your complaint with the fraud division of the US Postal service...let him know you are not going to take this lying down and that you will fight him to the end.

In the future when you come to SCF seeking advice and 100% of the respondants tell you to report the guy listen...it could have saved you the added stress you are going to be under fighting this guy. He is pissed and wants to make sure he gets even...it is up to you to lay down and play dead or fight...

I'm not sure if Ebay has any security measures to block him leaving neg. feedback for you but I would certainly contact them and tell them the ENTIRE story. Send them the emails...direct them to this site/vine let them see the evidence you have. Hopefully Ebay will do the right thing and protect you.

Good luck and let us know what happens. JMHO

G

Amen Gkee!!

Also, the guy probably took the card and creased it himself and showed it to you thinking you would be suckered into it. He suckered you already for you buying the item, and then for you believing it wasnt him who created it. He though that he could sucker you again into giving him $70 and him scamming you again out of money. What a scumbag.

I might have overpaid (145) but I couldn' resist!


OUCH!! :new_shock

SHOCKING UPDATE:

The seller emailed me today saying the card came but was severly creased. He sent me pictures (it's creased decently) and now is demanding $70 back to cover him. I say no because I put it in sleeve, toploader, and team bag, wrapped it it paper, and put it in an envelope (like bubble, but does not have bubble wrap). I sent it back in perfect condition so it's not my fault. Also, the card has little value ($8 BV + like $5 for marlins patch = $13). I had to send it back because it's his fault its fake, and why should I pay $70 for nothing! He could still get like $50 for it on eBay at least. On top of that he says just send me the money, and we'll leave each other positive feedback and call it closed. Rediculous! What do I do?
I dont mean to sound rude, but what the HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?!?!? You got your money back, but its okay for him to rip someone else off for $50 or more? You ask for advice on this situation and then take the passive route of "hey at least I got my money back." This guy was busted outright and most of us said that his responses to you are a scam as well. Did you even use insurance or delivery conformation on sending back the "card"? If not you are about to learn a costly lesson and I dont have much feeling for you losing it when you make comments like the one above in bold. People like you make it easier and easier for sellers like him to rip off more and more people.
Good Luck now.

I got my money (the $140) back. I am not paying him $70 to get nothing in return. He is quite protective about feedback. Now he's threatening me to file on PayPal to get $70 from me. None of this is my fault.


Tell him that he did not pay for insurance to have it returned and now it is his problem. ;)

If he does leave negative feedback make sure that you reply with a short comment or no comment and copy the URL for this thread so that it stays with the comment. Since you don't have much room to leave all of this info that has been posted on here that would be the best thing to do. Good luck and remember, now he has tried to steal from you twice. What are you gonna do about it!?!?!?!? Hold his feet to the fire and don't let him do it to someone else.

Sneek, just curious, but what sort of insurance would have been appropriate in a situation like this considering the card is virtually worthless and any claim would be based on a fraudulent card?

Sneek, just curious, but what sort of insurance would have been appropriate in a situation like this considering the card is virtually worthless and any claim would be based on a fraudulent card?
I would have insured the indicia, not the card. That way the package is insured as a whole, not the contents of the package. You basically get your postage back if the item is damaged, if Im not mistaken. I use it to ship documents with no monetary value.

I would have insured the indicia, not the card. That way the package is insured as a whole, not the contents of the package. You basically get your postage back if the item is damaged, if Im not mistaken. I use it to ship documents with no monetary value.

So as I understand this, insuring the package in this way would not have helped much. SM03 could just get his postage back, which wouldn't pay much for the $70 he "owes" the seller. Is this right, Sneek?

This is very interesting/informative. I'm glad it came up...I would really like to know how this turned out for the OP.

G

Again, it is the buyer's fault. No offense, but do you really think a patch like that would be /175?

So as I understand this, insuring the package in this way would not have helped much. SM03 could just get his postage back, which wouldn't pay much for the $70 he "owes" the seller. Is this right, Sneek?
He doesnt owe the seller anything. The guy is trying to screw him twice. It would have covered his a$$, and been a reliable way of protecting himself.
As for it being his fault for buying the card
#1. He's probably "new" to this
#2. Ignorance is no excuse
#3. His comments on the situation are pretty damning as well though.

I would find a way to contact previous buyers of these "cards" and get them in on this also. That would be my plan.

Also, this guy is BSing you all around. He claims to work for the Federal Government but his grammar is worse than a 10 year old. I think you really need to put all the facts together and take a look at what you've been saying here. You're being very selfish.

YOU NEED TO PROSECUTE THIS GUYS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
NOT ONLY FOR YOURSELF, BUT FOR THE REST OF US!

basically u just need to stop being sorry for the guy. do what u have to do to this guy to make sure he doesnt ever get the chance to scam another person. right off the bat if he threatens to report u to paypal or ebay, u need to take affirmative action. handle the situation and block the person and spread the word.

like Sneekc said, I don't mean to be rude but if ur going to continue to question what u should do. just go ahead and send him the $70 and save urself the time, because u must not be seeing clearly on what this guy is trying to do to you.