Okay so I'm playing in a rotissary league or however its spelled. I didn't realize thats what it was. I'm not liking it so far. I'm 11th/12th. I'm getting drilled pitching wise. I lead though in RBI's and Batting Average. Suggest to me who I should trade or try to pick up.

C Joe Mauer
1B Iván Rodríguez
2B Aaron Hill
3B Hank Blalock
SS Édgar Rentería
OF Geoff Jenkins
OF Alfonso Soriano
OF Barry Bonds
Util Ian Kinsler
BN Sammy Sosa
BN Carlos Delgado
BN Gary Sheffield
BN Frank Thomas
BN Troy Glaus

SP Carlos Zambrano
SP Kevin Millwood
RP Tom Gordon
RP Jason Isringhausen
P Chuck James
P Nate Robertson
P Rich Harden

Okay so I'm playing in a rotissary league or however its spelled. I didn't realize thats what it was. I'm not liking it so far. I'm 11th/12th. I'm getting drilled pitching wise. I lead though in RBI's and Batting Average. Suggest to me who I should trade or try to pick up.

C Joe Mauer
1B Iván Rodríguez
2B Aaron Hill
3B Hank Blalock
SS Édgar Rentería
OF Geoff Jenkins
OF Alfonso Soriano
OF Barry Bonds
Util Ian Kinsler
BN Sammy Sosa
BN Carlos Delgado
BN Gary Sheffield
BN Frank Thomas
BN Troy Glaus

SP Carlos Zambrano
SP Kevin Millwood
RP Tom Gordon
RP Jason Isringhausen
P Chuck James
P Nate Robertson
P Rich Harden
ok softballa I am going to combine this with my post I just did in your other thread.As far as the trade is concerned there is no way in hell you should be doing it with the roster you have now.

Here are the problems with your roster.
1)First off you have 5 batters as bench players.you should have 2-3 bench position players and 2-3 pitchers.I personally have 2 backup position players and 3 backup pitches.Your roster starting roster also has 4 players currently who are of poor value in fantasy baseball and that is bonds,sosa,sheffield and thomas.Some of these players are only able to play utility and don't do anything except hit home runs and drive in runs.apart from that they don't do anything else.Their BA sucks,they don't steal bases and don't score many runs.
2)You do not have a utility player.Don't confuse this with what I said before as players only able to play utility.By utility I mean able to play multiple positions such as a ty wigginton or a rich aurilia.Wiggington is able to play 1b,2b,3b and of.I personally have wiggington as my utility player who fills in on off days at those 4 positions.
3)Your pitching staff is less than average.The only reason why you are getting hammered is because you don't have any backup pitchers and some weak 3rd and 4th pitchers.You need to drop robertson and harden.

all in all,you need to start attempting to trade bonds,sheffield and thomas, then drop sosa and pick up wiggington.If wiggington is not available pick up aurilia.I would especially try hard to trade away bonds because he is red hot right now.If you cannot trade sheffield or thomas,I would consider dropping them depends on who is available in your league.

yeah i definatley agree with you taht i need to get rid of sosa and sheffield. i picked up off of free agency sosa because i need some power in the beginning. I don't agree with you about Bonds. He has 6 homers and is batting close to .350. Also he drives in runs.

Your also right that i need to get a person who has a little more utlity in him. I have a couple of people who play multiple positions but no more then two of them.

I do need some more pitching. Any suggestions of guys off waivers??

Wigginton and Aurillia are both gone in my league.

yeah i definatley agree with you taht i need to get rid of sosa and sheffield. i picked up off of free agency sosa because i need some power in the beginning. I don't agree with you about Bonds. He has 6 homers and is batting close to .350. Also he drives in runs.

Your also right that i need to get a person who has a little more utlity in him. I have a couple of people who play multiple positions but no more then two of them.

I do need some more pitching. Any suggestions of guys off waivers??

Wigginton and Aurillia are both gone in my league.
trust be bonds is probably the most overrated fantasy baseball player.As I said before he is off to a hot start but that will level off.We are only 2 weeks into the season.Apart from that his *** gets walked alot and he won't get many rbi's with that joke of a giants offense.I don't know how intelligent your fellow leaguers are but you can get ALOT of trade value from the dumb ones.I would attempt to trade for wiggington from whoever has him.A utility player is imperative.

As for pitchers I don't really know what to say.I don't know who is available in your league.Things you absolutely need is another closer.You should have 3-4.I would suggest joakim soria of the royals if he is available or maybe the devil rays closer I believe his name is al reyes.Also is tim lincecum is available I would pick him up.he is in the minors right but he will get called up any day now.He is absolutely picking apart teams down in triple A.

what about Delgado. He is really slumping right now?? should i sit on him. I have been offered a closer for him.

its hard to say.I don't know what your league rosters look like.Trades have to be looked at on how it effects others teams besides you.In general,I wouldn't be too concerned about trading for closers.you can always get them.If joakim soria or al reyes is available, pick them up.Your biggest needs right now is stolen bases and a better starting 3rd and 4th pitcher.this is where you can use bonds as trade bait.

if your league is a yahoo public league you should post the league id# so others can see the other rosters etc..

also if it is a yahoo league your team log will have the stats of all the players you have started(stats from starts, not full stats), cutting people at the right time can help you keep your batting average up..

Yahoo Public 302086

I didnt realize that you guys could see it. there you go.

Since you are in a Roto league do not panic just yet. There is still plenty of time to get back in the race.

Do not drop Harden if your league allows for a DL spot. Stash him there. Zambrano is off to a bad start but don't get rid of him, he will be fine. I would suggest since you are in first in batting avg that you trade Mauer for a top SP and move pudge to C. Then you can put Delgado at first. I know he is slumping but you have to remember its not about what he does for the week like in head to head, it's what he does cumulative for the year. Get him back in your line up. You could also probably trade another bat for more pitching. I agree with one of the above posters, trade Bonds now!! Get as much as you can for him while he is hot.

Also, I wouldn't trade for closers. Throughout the year, guys emerge. You will need to be quick on picking them up but it can be done easily just by reading up on who is hurt or struggling and in danger of losing their job.

Good Luck!!

okay thanks i might take your advice. I just really hate to see all the get rid of barry posts. I know everybody hates him but I really think that he could keep the numbers going. as he gets closer to the record his walks are going to go up. I don't know what to do.

okay thanks i might take your advice. I just really hate to see all the get rid of barry posts. I know everybody hates him but I really think that he could keep the numbers going. as he gets closer to the record his walks are going to go up. I don't know what to do.
its not that people hate him he is just one of the most overrated FANTASY players.He is not worth his draft position in most leagues.If you look at baseball analysts leagues, most don't even touch bonds till later rounds.Another example is jim thome.jim thome is a joke in fantasy is well.

I see what your saying.

I got Bonds though in the 12th round with the 142nd pick. He is batting .348 (3rd highest on my team) and has 6 homers (2nd highest on my team). With me picking him up in the 12th round i really don't have a lot invested in him. I think I got a steal. I could understand if I would of picked him up in the 3rd-6th round but I didnt.

I see what your saying.

I got Bonds though in the 12th round with the 142nd pick. He is batting .348 (3rd highest on my team) and has 6 homers (2nd highest on my team). With me picking him up in the 12th round i really don't have a lot invested in him. I think I got a steal. I could understand if I would of picked him up in the 3rd-6th round but I didnt.
that is good and fine but what you have to realize is that you can move him right now to get people valuable for your team.bonds is not worth keeping.

I know what your saying but why do you think that he is not valuable to my team? do you think he is goign to cool off and if so why?????

The thing with Bonds is that he makes a trip or two to the DL every year. Plus he doesn't play every day. He is hot right now and this is the perfect time to trade him so you can get a SP. You need a big time starting pitcher. You will not win this league without a prominant starter to go along with Zambrano. You have more than enough offense to let Bonds go or even Mauer like I suggested earlier.

well i put him out there on the block. lets see if anyone bites on him.

Your pitching is ridiculous. Trade for a quality starter. You have plenty of trading power in your line-up.

Here's my opinion. This is what I would do with your starting lineup:
C- Mauer
1B - Delgado
2B - A. Hill (I think you should pick up Kendrick or Chris Burke to play 2B)
3B - Glaus (once he is done on DL)
SS - Renteria (Khalil Greene is available and playing well)
OF - Soriano, Sheffield (You'll never get anything for him in trade right now), (Teahen, Victorino, Dave Roberts are available) Bonds or Sosa
UT - F. Thomas

Pitching
You need to pick up Tom Gorzelanny now. You can use your DL slot for Harden and free up a roster spot.
You do need a closer real bad unless you are just going to punt saves in which case you might want to trade Gordon and Isringhausen.

I would try to trade Pudge and Bonds and maybe your closers to get another starter, or you might want to try and bolster your bullpen by seeing if you could get a trade for a guy like Mariano or JJ Putz who are off to slow starts.

It's a long season so don't get stubborn on guys that have either started real hot or real slow.

okay so I had the number one waiver and I picked up hughes today. I also made a trade.

I got:
Johan Santana
Alex Rios
Garrett Aktins
Rich Aurillia
Brian Fruentes

For:
Soriano
Delgado
Chuck James
Aaron Hill


I forgot to mention that I also have Kinsler on my team that I can play at second base so I don't need to pick upbody for second. Tom Gorzelanny is gone i belive

bonds with another one tonight. i just dont know if i can let go of him. he is providing for me. especially since i got him in the 12th round.

bonds with another one tonight. i just dont know if i can let go of him. he is providing for me. especially since i got him in the 12th round.
dude if you don't realize why you should trade bonds, you will never succeed in fantasy.He is worth more in trade right now than play value.As you stated you got him in the 12th round.You can trade up for for a 1st or 2nd round pick.I'm going to go ahead and warn you and you can quote me on this.If you do not trade him now, you will be crying later on in the season.

You also got hosed on your deal.You gave up 2 huge bats and hill who might have a breakout season for a good starting pitcher,decent utility man and a mediocre outfielder.You don't realize how big of a asset you lost in soriano and delgado.Soriano bats high 200's,hits a ton of home runs,drives in rbis and steals bases.He does well in every single fantasy category.In delgado you lost a big bat who plays for a team where everyone gets on base.The guy you made that trade to is sleeping well tonight.

you also have to keep in mind that you are playing in a roto league and not a H2H league.If this was a H2H league, the trade would be near even.Roto leagues reward people who know how to draft,trade and drop/pick up people correctly.H2H is different because it rewards consistency, this is why the trade is near even in a H2H league.Look back at 06 and compare your risk/reward you did with this trade for the reasons I stated in the previous paragraph.You will see what I mean.As I stated in my PM to you think about it from a FANTASY point of view.

I got:
Johan Santana
Alex Rios
Garrett Aktins
Rich Aurillia
Brian Fruentes

For:
Soriano
Delgado
Chuck James
Aaron Hill

There is no way he got hosed on this deal. He was in desperate need of starting pitching and he got the #1 pitcher in all of fantasy baseball. He gave up Soriano, yes but his offense is more then good enough to get him through. He also got back Atkins and Rios which is huge. He then added another closer to help in saves. He improved his team greatly with that trade.

dude if you don't realize why you should trade bonds, you will never succeed in fantasy.
You also got hosed on your deal.

I'll agree with the first statement...you should definitely work on getting something good for Bonds right now. I don't think you will get anyone's 1st or 2nd round picks though.

You didn't get hosed on your deal. Take Aurilia, Chuck James, and Aaron Hill out of the equation because those guys aren't that much better than anyone you could pick up in free agency, and you're left with:

Soriano
Delgado for

Santana
Atkins
Fuentes
Rios

Now, consider Soriano even with Santana and Fuentes, because if Soriano helps you in five hitting categories, then the combo of Santana and Fuentes will help you in five pitching categories. And after that, if you feel like you got the short end of the deal, go look on the free agent list at the names you can replace Delgado with.

I'll agree with the first statement...you should definitely work on getting something good for Bonds right now. I don't think you will get anyone's 1st or 2nd round picks though.

You didn't get hosed on your deal. Take Aurilia, Chuck James, and Aaron Hill out of the equation because those guys aren't that much better than anyone you could pick up in free agency, and you're left with:

Soriano
Delgado for

Santana
Atkins
Fuentes
Rios


Now, consider Soriano even with Santana and Fuentes, because if Soriano helps you in five hitting categories, then the combo of Santana and Fuentes will help you in five pitching categories. And after that, if you feel like you got the short end of the deal, go look on the free agent list at the names you can replace Delgado with.

That is a great way to look at that trade. Delgado was basically given up for Atkins and Rios. I would do that trade every day of the week.

the idiots in my league veoted the trade on me. It didnt go through now???

the idiots in my league veoted the trade on me. It didnt go through now???
because the guy who got soriano and delgado got a steal.what did I tell you?

That is a great way to look at that trade. Delgado was basically given up for Atkins and Rios. I would do that trade every day of the week.
Think from a fantasy perspective, not a real life GM perspective.Would you REALLY do that deal?Look at your risk/return.compare stats from 2006 from each of those players.

You didn't get hosed on your deal. Take Aurilia, Chuck James, and Aaron Hill out of the equation because those guys aren't that much better than anyone you could pick up in free agency, and you're left with:

Dude have you ever played a 12 man roto before, or fantasy in general for that matter?With the amount of players in the league,you cannot just freely go out and pick up players like in a 6 or 8 man league.You can take chuck james out of the equation but not aurilia and hill especially in a 12 man league.

no I agree that you cannot take them out of the equation. I look at this way.
Throw

Santana for Soriano (you told me that my pitching needed to improve)
Atkins for Delgado
Rios for Hill
Aurillia for Chuck James (you told me that I needed a true utility???)
Fruentes for free

because the guy who got soriano and delgado got a steal.what did I tell you?


Think from a fantasy perspective, not a real life GM perspective.Would you REALLY do that deal?Look at your risk/return.compare stats from 2006 from each of those players.


Dude have you ever played a 12 man roto before, or fantasy in general for that matter?With the amount of players in the league,you cannot just freely go out and pick up players like in a 6 or 8 man league.You can take chuck james out of the equation but not aurilia and hill especially in a 12 man league.


I have played in many leagues, AL only, NL only, Mixed leagues, Head to head and roto for over 10 years and trust me, I am looking at it at from a Roto perspective. It is based on the entire year. This guy needed starting pitching, he got the best, Santana. He gave up the one of the best offensive guys. makes sense. He wasn't going to get Santana for a guy like Bonds. No way, no how. Santana would have helped him a lot more than Soriano would have. Atkins is a better all around offensive player than Delgado. So, by getting him and Rios(who is pretty good too) would have been a steal for him. You are giving Aaron Hill way too much credit. The guy is a light hitting 2B.

I would be shocked if the league objected to the deal because he was getting hosed.

It's too bad the trade got vetoed because it would have helped him big time.

I have played in many leagues, AL only, NL only, Mixed leagues, Head to head and roto for over 10 years and trust me, I am looking at it at from a Roto perspective. It is based on the entire year. This guy needed starting pitching, he got the best, Santana. He gave up the one of the best offensive guys. makes sense. He wasn't going to get Santana for a guy like Bonds. No way, no how. Santana would have helped him a lot more than Soriano would have. Atkins is a better all around offensive player than Delgado. So, by getting him and Rios(who is pretty good too) would have been a steal for him. You are giving Aaron Hill way too much credit. The guy is a light hitting 2B.

I would be shocked if the league objected to the deal because he was getting hosed.

It's too bad the trade got vetoed because it would have helped him big time.
I am given aaron hill too much credit?When did I ever say he was a good player?I said he MIGHT have a breakout year.If you have been playing in fantasy leagues for 10 years then you know how people are when trading #1's of a specific category.In this current day and age it is santana at pitcher and pujols at hitting.I would never trade for but I would always trade away people like that people always overvalue them.There are probably aleast 10 pitchers in the league who can pitch at the same level santana is at and not ask for as much.Be realistic, he is in a roto league basically giving up 80 hr,200 rbis,30 steals about maybe a .280 average for that trade listed above and that is only soriano and delgado.Those are also really conservative numbers.

"Atkins is a better all around offensive player than Delgado."-Excuse me?Since when did this happen?Since when is atkins a better offensive player,especially on that rockies roster that is mediocre.Delgado players for a mets team who can all get on base twice a game.

Also if I was in the same league as him,I would be contacting the league commissioner on a hourly basis trying to veto that trade to.I don't know what you are saying by it sucks that it got vetoed.You were going to get hosed plain and simple.

I am given aaron hill too much credit?When did I ever say he was a good player?I said he MIGHT have a breakout year.If you have been playing in fantasy leagues for 10 years then you know how people are when trading #1's of a specific category.In this current day and age it is santana at pitcher and pujols at hitting.I would never trade for but I would always trade away people like that people always overvalue them.There are probably aleast 10 pitchers in the league who can pitch at the same level santana is at and not ask for as much.Be realistic, he is in a roto league basically giving up 80 hr,200 rbis,30 steals about maybe a .280 average for that trade listed above and that is only soriano and delgado.Those are also really conservative numbers.

"Atkins is a better all around offensive player than Delgado."-Excuse me?Since when did this happen?Since when is atkins a better offensive player,especially on that rockies roster that is mediocre.Delgado players for a mets team who can all get on base twice a game.

Also if I was in the same league as him,I would be contacting the league commissioner on a hourly basis trying to veto that trade to.I don't know what you are saying by it sucks that it got vetoed.You were going to get hosed plain and simple.


I think you are missing the big picture here. The guy needed a SP bad. He got the best. With the amount of innings he throws, he will greatly effect his team ERA, WHIP and K's plus his wins.

By the way, compare the stats of Atkins and Delgado from last year. Delgado is also 35 yrs old and coming off multiple minor surgeries. Not saying that he is done but I would rather have Atkins. And by judging how 3 of my drafts went, the spots where Atkins was selected and where Delgado was selected indicated the same thing.(2 rounds earlier in every draft) Throw in Rios and Fuentes and it's a no brainer. Check Rios' numbers before his staph infection ruined his season. He is the added bonus in this equation. The only thing you would losing would be a few SB's.(Rios is 20+ potential)

I guess we will have to wait until the end of the season to see.

Thanks for the debate, it is quite enjoyable.

To Softballa, keep plugging away at making a deal.

The guy needed a SP bad. He got the best.
As I stated previously, never trade for a #1.People ask for way too much.You can get pitchers who pitch equally well for a cheaper price.Examples of this would be Roy Holliday or Carlos Zambrano.You could actually get Zambrano for fairly cheap right if the owner is dumb right now because he is pitching less than par, but should come around soon.

As for cheap pitchers,I would suggest trying to acquire either Cole Hamels,Aaron Harang or Justin Verlander in that order.

yeah me and the owner agreed to it again and were going to see if the league allows to run with it this time. hopefully they do.

As I stated previously, never trade for a #1.People ask for way too much.You can get pitchers who pitch equally well for a cheaper price.Examples of this would be Roy Holliday or Carlos Zambrano.You could actually get Zambrano for fairly cheap right if the owner is dumb right now because he is pitching less than par, but should come around soon.

As for cheap pitchers,I would suggest trying to acquire either Cole Hamels,Aaron Harang or Justin Verlander in that order.

Softballa has Zambrano. Hamels will not be easy to get without giving up a lot after his 15k performance and Harang and Verlander are not in Santana's league.

Softballa has Zambrano. Hamels will not be easy to get without giving up a lot after his 15k performance and Harang and Verlander are not in Santana's league.
I stated cheap pitchers.I never said harang and verlander are in santana's league.

Another pitcher you could get that is in santan's league for cheaper than him is roy oswalt.He gets a few less punch outs but once that astro's hitting staff gets out of their slump he will easily win you 18+ games.He is doing well so far but he is getting quite lucky on the days he pitches.

yeah me and the owner agreed to it again and were going to see if the league allows to run with it this time. hopefully they do.
you do that.And it most likely won't go through again because the person you are trading to is getting a absolute steal.

Dude have you ever played a 12 man roto before, or fantasy in general for that matter?With the amount of players in the league,you cannot just freely go out and pick up players like in a 6 or 8 man league.You can take chuck james out of the equation but not aurilia and hill especially in a 12 man league.


If this guy also has Ian Kinsler on his team, he doesn't need Aaron Hill to ride the bench if someone else wants him and will help him fill his needs in a trade. Delgado is a good player; that's for sure. But given the fact he upgraded at 3rd with Atkins and in the outfield with Rios, it shouldn't be that difficult to find a replacement 1B (Sheffield, for example, already on his roster) to make up what left in Delgado.

And stop crapping your shorts over Rich Aurilia. He's got better players at every position that Aurilia is eligible for. Aurilia will have to time his good games for those off days because he shouldn't be in his lineup regularly.

And stop crapping your shorts over Rich Aurilia. He's got better players at every position that Aurilia is eligible for. Aurilia will have to time his good games for those off days because he shouldn't be in his lineup regularly.
congratulations how long did it take you to figure that out?That is what I have been saying for the past 2 pages.He is only there for off days.

congratulations how long did it take you to figure that out?That is what I have been saying for the past 2 pages.He is only there for off days.

So at the most, you might get 40-50 starts with him if there are 2 days a week over six months that you can use him. If he had the time and desire he could do much better by keeping a free roster spot and hand picking free agents each time based on their matchups.

And that's besides the fact that if he sticks Aurilia in the lineup just because a guy has a day off, he's going to find himself over his games played limits two weeks before the season is over.

Which all means that he's not really that useful.

i moved up to 6th place but the only thing that is keeping me back is my pitching. Slammin Sammy and Bonds sure have helped with hitting.

Hey you know whats funny. People in my league have emailed me and posted that the reason they vetoed the trade was because I was getting to good of a deal LOL!!! Man opinons sure do vary among people .

Hey you know whats funny. People in my league have emailed me and posted that the reason they vetoed the trade was because I was getting to good of a deal LOL!!! Man opinons sure do vary among people .

I actually asked the opinion of a few guys in my leagues. All of them agreed that you were getting the better end of the deal. Your right, it's funny how opinions vary. Anyway, hopefully it gets through this time.