Fake or real = post it here! [Archive]

Project 4

10-11-2008, 11:25 AM

Here's the one on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kevin-Kolb-2007-Sp-Authentic-Auto-Patch-RC-725-Eagles_W0QQitemZ250306638573QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em250306638573&_trkparms=72%3A1205|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A13 18&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FKevin-Kolb-2007-Sp-Authentic-Auto-Patch-RC-725-Eagles_W0QQitemZ250306638573QQcmdZViewItem%3Fhash% 3Ditem250306638573%26_trkparms%3D72%253A1205%257C3 9%253A1%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C240%253A131 8%26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m14)

here's the original:

http://webhosting.web.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=240&linkpath=http://www.eaglesfootballcards.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/2007SPAuthKolb1to725/.pond/684of725A.jpg.w300h219.jpg&target=tlx_picr69f

eagles2185

10-11-2008, 11:38 AM

wow a fake sp authentic thread with proof, this is great!

Penguin101

10-11-2008, 11:47 AM

This guy is out of control:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Troy-Smith-2007-Threads-Auto-Logo-Patch-sp-RC-10-Ravens_W0QQitemZ250282985006QQcmdZViewItem?hash=it em250282985006&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/John-Beck-2007-Exquisite-Auto-Patch-RC-225-Dolphins_W0QQitemZ250306638613QQcmdZViewItem?hash= item250306638613&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kellen-Clemens-2006-Sp-Authentic-Auto-Patch-RC-999_W0QQitemZ260298431915QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item2 60298431915&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Matt-Schaub-2004-Leaf-Limited-Auto-Jersey-Logo-Patch-RC_W0QQitemZ260291086410QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item26 0291086410&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Derek-Hagan-2006-Donruss-Threads-Auto-Logo-Patch-5_W0QQitemZ250298905161QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250 298905161&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Carson-Palmer-Carr-Boller-Absolute-Prime-3-Patch-25_W0QQitemZ260291086554QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item26 0291086554&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.com/Alex-Rios-2006-SPx-Winning-Big-Materials-Logo-Patch-55_W0QQitemZ250298904487QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item25 0298904487&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A13|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

olemissfan20

10-11-2008, 12:14 PM

has anyone reported him to ebay?

aw00d05

10-11-2008, 12:18 PM

wow a fake sp authentic thread with proof, this is great!
agreed!

aw00d05

10-11-2008, 12:18 PM

i like how very few people are bidding on his auctions...

iowa49erfan

10-11-2008, 12:20 PM

EBAY doesnt do anything about it. I have reported other people about the same things and nothing ever gets done.

I did just send him and email though along with the link to the correct card just to see how he responds, which I know he wont. lol

Project 4

10-11-2008, 12:30 PM

The Kraken

10-11-2008, 12:50 PM

LOL

the beck and hagan look like they could be cut from the same patch!

Williamson82

10-11-2008, 02:52 PM

ewww

olemissfan20

10-11-2008, 03:16 PM

I know it probably won't help, but I tried contacting ebay anyway.

trombley62

10-11-2008, 03:23 PM

I contacted the seller and ebay. Hope that will take scum like this off the market.

joshuadusarmy

10-11-2008, 08:36 PM

horrible for the Hobby

madman1978

10-12-2008, 12:15 PM

cometmike

10-12-2008, 04:14 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-SP-Authentic-Leon-Washington-6C-LOGO-Patch-Auto_W0QQitemZ300264347107QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 300264347107&_trkparms=72%3A1419%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ebayphotohosting (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F2006-SP-Authentic-Leon-Washington-6C-LOGO-Patch-Auto_W0QQitemZ300264347107QQcmdZViewItem%3Fhash%3D item300264347107%26_trkparms%3D72%253A1419%257C39% 253A1%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C240%253A1318% 26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m14%23ebayphotohosting)

To me it really looks fake....IDK

He shows links to from upperdeck letters but who knows those arent tempered with, idk im really sketchy.

LMK what you guys think

EDIT: Ok let me edit this so I dont get criticism like I always do!!!!

I AM THINKING ABOUT BUYING IT, I NEED OPINIONS PLEASE

tikitomoka

10-12-2008, 04:17 PM

http://www.sportscardforum.com/showthread.php?t=597835

cometmike

10-12-2008, 04:23 PM

http://www.sportscardforum.com/showthread.php?t=597835

Ok?? that means nothing to me.

I want some opinions bc if its real I wanna buy it but if its fake I wont.

Its not just a random thread, it has a purpose.

bearfield

10-12-2008, 04:45 PM

cometmike

10-12-2008, 04:50 PM

it does seem a little strange that he has 10 auctions at the moment and 8 of them have some kind of logo patch, and all are commented on by a upper deck rep. the rep from upper deck does not say that they are authentic, they say that they don't appear to be tampered with. doesn't prove anything either way.

Exactly, Ive not seen anything like those in SP authentic, they look just too much, although the norwood looks real for sure.

But people are so gullible these days that if they "see" something that says authentic they will believe it, but with the technology these days ANYTHING can be copied. Without a UD hologram on the letter I wont believe its real.

11eleven11

10-12-2008, 05:04 PM

it does seem a little strange that he has 10 auctions at the moment and 8 of them have some kind of logo patch, and all are commented on by a upper deck rep. the rep from upper deck does not say that they are authentic, they say that they don't appear to be tampered with. doesn't prove anything either way.

The 2006 SP Authentic Santonio Holmes is real

The patch is from the steelers bicentennial logo (see picture below)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee2/NHL-11ELEVEN11-NFL/Banner/LOGO/steelerspatch.jpg

11eleven11

cometmike

10-12-2008, 05:35 PM

chadjacksonfan

10-12-2008, 05:39 PM

Why numbered so high then??

Sp authentic doesnt number cards based on patches.... sometimes the /5 are one colors..

cometmike

10-12-2008, 05:41 PM

Sp authentic doesnt number cards based on patches.... sometimes the /5 are one colors..

:frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::f rusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

This hobby sucks, Im taking up knitting

BU54CB

10-12-2008, 05:53 PM

A lot of throwback jerseys were used in that year's photo shoot, that's why you see quite a few unfamiliar logo patches in this set.

the1mcjensen

10-12-2008, 06:09 PM

this guy had a very huge thread on beckett last year about his basement. it basically looked like a card shop with all the unopened boxes and singles in his display cases. he put together a set of 06 sp and sent the scans all to upperdeck and received the letter stating which ones were real and which ones werent.

bearfield

10-13-2008, 07:33 PM

meloman315

10-13-2008, 07:35 PM

:frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::f rusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

This hobby sucks, Im taking up knitting
snowboarding ;)

wheeler281

10-13-2008, 08:25 PM

The 2006 SP Authentic Santonio Holmes is real

The patch is from the steelers bicentennial logo (see picture below)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee2/NHL-11ELEVEN11-NFL/Banner/LOGO/steelerspatch.jpg

11eleven11

Yes heavy hitter and I had the other parts of that logo. Totally real. They do not number based on patches like said earlier. Take this logo for instance Authenticated by FIT at UD when they still did it. A ton of you need to get current on production before calling every nice patch fake if it is not 1/1. Makes you look foolish. That kid if I remember busted his *** for a sweet set.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/wheeler281/Santonio%20Holmes/4b7d_1-1.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/wheeler281/Santonio%20Holmes/488b_1.jpg

cometmike

10-13-2008, 09:44 PM

Yes heavy hitter and I had the other parts of that logo. Totally real. They do not number based on patches like said earlier. Take this logo for instance Authenticated by FIT at UD when they still did it. A ton of you need to get current on production before calling every nice patch fake if it is not 1/1. Makes you look foolish. That kid if I remember busted his *** for a sweet set.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/wheeler281/Santonio%20Holmes/4b7d_1-1.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/wheeler281/Santonio%20Holmes/488b_1.jpg

Dude I never said it was fake, I wanted a opinion, Yeah make us look foolish, im sure. Its a FREAKING question.

mrgrosskopf

10-13-2008, 10:06 PM

A lot of throwback jerseys were used in that year's photo shoot, that's why you see quite a few unfamiliar logo patches in this set.

yeah that pretty much sums it up. This particular patch is the 25th Anniversary of the New York Jets (here (http://www.chriscreamer.com/logo.php?id=4plcc3h5xg4cghh6pmhj)), none of the typical red flags are going off for me, there is no reason for me to question its authenticity. I noticed the auction ended but I hope you got it, it is a cool patch.

herdyrules

10-14-2008, 03:03 AM

This guy has been busted before but here is another auction from him to keep you all informed of the moment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330278797163

His old Ebay name was 8eightyduece2. Watch out for this scumbag as I tried to bid on something of his the other day and noticed I was blocked then looked at his ID history and glad I wasn't allowed to.

trombley62

10-14-2008, 07:04 PM

Have any proof? I have seen other cards from the same set just like it...

palantri

10-14-2008, 07:13 PM

people dont need proof to scream fake any more...

chadjacksonfan

10-14-2008, 07:18 PM

http://completed.shop.ebay.com/merchant/bones-astanskie_W0QQLHQ5fCompleteZ1QQ_sinceZ15

I think some of his stuff is too good to be true...

palantri

10-14-2008, 07:21 PM

i say prove it, or else you are potentially hurting his chance to make money on his cards- if they are fake, then yeah, please share, but just assuming something is too good to be true isnt fair to the seller...
do your research, thats all I say
Ed

olemissfan20

10-14-2008, 07:53 PM

the buyer ended the item, so maybe we actually won on this one. we just need to keep watching and reporting.

threebearfan

10-14-2008, 07:58 PM

that one I can see b/c it actually has proof.

Trucker

10-14-2008, 10:48 PM

Guys, if you want to debate fake patch vs real patch, please post all your thoughts, links, posts in this thread so we eliminate clutter on the board with all the fake patch threads. Please provide some kind of a proof before you call a Ebay (or SCF) member out for anything.

Thank you.
Arnel

BU54CB

10-15-2008, 11:38 AM

mrgrosskopf

10-22-2008, 10:20 AM

Trucker

10-22-2008, 10:22 AM

Forget the past, focus on future. :)

mackstradamus

10-23-2008, 03:38 PM

Alright, I bought first and am asking questions later. Did I score a great value or a worthless fake? I'm admittedly not familiar with the Gridiron Gear product, I've been busy the past couple months...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=300266654727

tikitomoka

10-23-2008, 03:50 PM

thats totally real, no question just a patch

Penguin101

10-23-2008, 04:00 PM

Yeah he's into fake patches for sure, also he makes sure to delete the pictures when auctions are done. :fighting0016:
:fighting0023:

http://completed.shop.ebay.com/merchant/bones-astanskie_W0QQLHQ5fCompleteZ1QQ_sinceZ15 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcompleted.shop.ebay.com%2Fmercha nt%2Fbones-astanskie_W0QQLHQ5fCompleteZ1QQ_sinceZ15)

I think some of his stuff is too good to be true...

herdyrules

10-25-2008, 01:33 AM

In case anyone doesn't know this is another scumbag that makes fraudulent patch cards.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbones-astanskie

His old ebay name was 8eightyduece2

lsu131

10-25-2008, 01:35 AM

WOW! how would you be able to do that? he must be good and yeah you can tell they're fake

BU54CB

10-25-2008, 03:31 AM

In case anyone doesn't know this is another scumbag that makes fraudulent patch cards.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbones-astanskie (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%2F_W0QQsassZbone s-astanskie)

His old ebay name was 8eightyduece2

Yep, you are correct, that is his old ebay ID, I couldn't think of it, glad you did.

BU54CB

10-25-2008, 03:40 AM

Here's a fake Elway patch, he didn't make his first pro bowl until 1986, the pro bowl patch in the card is a 1985 patch. Stupid

http://cgi.ebay.com/2000-ABSOLUTE-JOHN-ELWAY-PRO-BOWL-LOGO-PATCH-25_W0QQitemZ250312358533QQihZ015QQcategoryZ56043QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Penguin101

10-25-2008, 04:13 AM

wadeisking3

10-25-2008, 10:23 AM

I have a link in my signature where I have written down known and proven patch fakers. It's not too long as I wont put any1 on it before there is enough evidence, but it should grow steadily with time.

you have a link, that link is missing some names, you have one guy on there who sold one patch that more than likely he bought that way, i dont see any proof what so ever that any of those sellers on the links was proven to make any of them, you have been on these boards since 2008 and yet Zinger22 isnt on the list, which many members here have 1000% prove that he did make them, Damarcus isnt on the list,

what about this one http://cgi.ebay.com/EMMITT-SMITH-03-DONRUSS-ELITE-NFL-LOGO-PATCH-CARD_W0QQitemZ220300289829QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 220300289829&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318i (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FEMMITT-SMITH-03-DONRUSS-ELITE-NFL-LOGO-PATCH-CARD_W0QQitemZ220300289829QQcmdZViewItem%3Fhash%3D item220300289829%26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkpa rms%3D66%253A2%257C65%253A10%257C39%253A1%257C240% 253A1318i)

on your one list is says logos out of 50, man i have seen logo patches, tag patches, number patches in cards # from 1 all the way up to 250 that contain them

I can post 10 links of cards from different sellers right now that has an actual nfl logo patch in from the collar, are they fake, real, some fake but some arent, who the hell knows, truthfully who the hell cares, I dont agree with it, I dont agree on paying taxes either, and that will never change, lol.

this world is going to **** and a select few of you are on here crying about a lowsy piece of cardboard, you guys have been doing this for how long calling out every guy with a patch that one member doesnt thinks real, and he is a scumbag, lol,

You think these people buying these patches truly give a crap, no matter how many time you email the buyers, yell at sellers, etc, they still seam to all have 100% feedback amazing, most of these buyers in my opinion want a patch card that has a tight patch, from what i see, thats why no one does anything about it, because the people buying them arent complaining, we are.

I am in this hobby as much as you guys, this hobby is a joke and we all know it, they cheat on wax, they cheat on prices, they cheat on grading, on patches, i am sure the list goes on,

and the one seller must have a contact with the teams, to have that many jerseys in stock if he is a scumbag like herdy claims, almost all of the patches show actual jersey, I was checking other cards from the same sets of the players and they all match same color and style, except for the tags, that seems like alot of work lol

just my 2cents

dan243

10-25-2008, 10:49 AM

If it seems to good to be true, than it is. Only buy the cards you want and are sure if they are fake or not. No doubt damarcus and zinger make conterfeit trading cards, so don't buy anything from them. The longer you collect, the better you kow what you are looking at. There will always be curruption in any hobby.

Penguin101

10-25-2008, 11:03 AM

you have a link, that link SUCKS, you have one guy on there who sold one patch that more than likely he bought that way, i dont see any proof what so ever that any of those sellers on the links was proven to make any of them, you have been on these boards since 2008 and yet Zinger22 isnt on the list, which many members here have 1000% prove that he did make them, Damarcus isnt on the list,

what about this one http://cgi.ebay.com/EMMITT-SMITH-03-DONRUSS-ELITE-NFL-LOGO-PATCH-CARD_W0QQitemZ220300289829QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 220300289829&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318i (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FEMMITT-SMITH-03-DONRUSS-ELITE-NFL-LOGO-PATCH-CARD_W0QQitemZ220300289829QQcmdZViewItem%3Fhash%3D item220300289829%26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkpa rms%3D66%253A2%257C65%253A10%257C39%253A1%257C240% 253A1318i)

on your one list is says logos out of 50, man i have seen logo patches, tag patches, number patches in cards # from 1 all the way up to 250 that contain them

I can post 10 links of cards from different sellers right now that has an actual nfl logo patch in from the collar, are they fake, real, some fake but some arent, who the hell knows, truthfully who the hell cares, I dont agree with it, I dont agree on paying taxes either, and that will never change, lol.

this world is going to **** and a select few of you are on here crying about a lowsy piece of cardboard, you guys have been doing this for how long calling out every guy with a patch that one member doesnt thinks real, and he is a scumbag, lol,

You think these people buying these patches truly give a crap, no matter how many time you email the buyers, yell at sellers, etc, they still seam to all have 100% feedback amazing, most of these buyers in my opinion want a patch card that has a tight patch, from what i see, thats why no one does anything about it, because the people buying them arent complaining, we are.

I am in this hobby as much as you guys, this hobby is a joke and we all know it, they cheat on wax, they cheat on prices, they cheat on grading, on patches, i am sure the list goes on,

and the one seller must have a contact with the teams, to have that many jerseys in stock if he is a scumbag like herdy claims, almost all of the patches show actually jersey, I was checking other cards from the same sets of the players and they all match same color and style, except for the tags, lol

just my 2cents

Wow, you seem ******, chill!

To me it doesn't matter if you make the fake patch or if you sell it. However 4/5 of the persons on my list makes their own ****, maybe the last one as well? Just because he doesn't pull them out of his *** in bunches every week doesn't prove that he isn't picking his spots. I bet it's far more profitable to sell an A-list player faked patch like AP every now and then.

wadeisking3

10-25-2008, 11:09 AM

Wow, you seem ******, chill!

To me it doesn't matter if you make the fake patch or if you sell it. However 4/5 of the persons on my list makes their own ****, maybe the last one as well? Just because he doesn't pull them out of his *** in bunches every week doesn't prove that he isn't picking his spots. I bet it's far more profitable to sell an A-list player faked patch like AP every now and then.

your right, I never looked at from that angle, I guess with a peterson it can turn into a major profit swing, lol, and with cards like that i guess once a month or similar is a nice profit.

tmac

10-25-2008, 03:12 PM

nice cards but too bad there FAKE!!!!!!!!

uh why do people have to do this stuff,it ruins the fun of collecting cards
:rant::rant::rant:

Penguin101

10-25-2008, 03:18 PM

Money will make people do almost anything.

nice cards but too bad there FAKE!!!!!!!!

uh why do people have to do this stuff,it ruins the fun of collecting cards
:rant::rant::rant:

tmac

10-25-2008, 03:23 PM

Money will make people do almost anything.u can say that again

Fisk-Factor75

10-26-2008, 06:35 AM

Now they even admit that they are fakes...ooops my bad...I mean "an aftermarket homemade card, the patch is not from the manufacturer. Overall a very nice piece of NFL memorabilia. please note that the card is for commemorative purposes only, great for the New Orleans fan." LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-Absolute-Memorabilia-DREW-BREES-NFL-3-Clr-Patch_W0QQitemZ280279945191QQihZ018QQcategoryZ215Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem..

Tennfootball

10-27-2008, 01:14 AM

Is this card real? It looks nice but I haven't seen any others like it yet. http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-UD-SPX-Chris-Johnson-rookie-auto-jersey-patch-1-1_W0QQitemZ270290764645QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270 290764645&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F2008-UD-SPX-Chris-Johnson-rookie-auto-jersey-patch-1-1_W0QQitemZ270290764645QQcmdZViewItem%3Fhash%3Dite m270290764645%26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms %3D72%253A1205%7C66%253A2%7C65%253A12%7C39%253A1%7 C240%253A1318)

BU54CB

10-27-2008, 11:20 AM

Tennfootball

10-27-2008, 12:47 PM

Yeah I can't find the 1/1 on it either, that's partly why I'm asking some others opinions.

BU54CB

10-27-2008, 01:27 PM

Yeah I can't find the 1/1 on it either, that's partly why I'm asking some others opinions.

Email the seller and ask for another scan so you can see the numbering, it should be on the front.

cubslovableloser

10-27-2008, 05:50 PM

Email the seller and ask for another scan so you can see the numbering, it should be on the front.

This is a legit 1 of 1 card. the 1 of 1 is stamped on the right side of the front, right at the glove and the ball. It is hard to see i have looked at it several times before i saw it. But it seems to be legit and a great pick up for you since you are a johnson fan.

trombley62

10-28-2008, 04:17 AM

dan243

10-28-2008, 11:40 AM

bearfield

10-28-2008, 11:43 AM

I have a few concerns on an Emmitt Auto i got from a member here, any idea if the auto if athentic? It comes with a scoreboard COA and heard they were reproduced alot, but this COA looks real and not on the flimsy white piece of paper i have seen others with:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p192/trombley62/SportsCards%20FT/Football%20Autos/EmmitSmithAuto2631000.jpg

Guess to me, this auto matches up pretty well with alot of his card company certified autos. But I am not for sure, what do you guys think?

personally, i don't think topps would allow it.

there were a lot of forgerys sold on ebay a few years with a supposedly "scoreboard" stamp on them. all brands, topps donruss and upper deck. how hard would it be to make the coa you have or a scoreboard stamp? the only cards with a legitimate scoreboard stamp on them are scoreboard and pro-line. all they made and sold were star players, all sports.
there were also a lot of emmitt and favre forgerys with the star pics little gold stamp on them, sold on ebay from the pacific area. how hard would that be to make.

and---how hard to prove the scoreboard stamp phony, them being belly up?

these cards originated and were sold from someplace in the pacific, on ebay. very inventive, those people. could not be prosecuted, not being in the US.
and you all know how much good it does to notify ebay. about as much good as telling them about fake patches and shill bidding.

i have noticed a few double signed cassius clay/mohammed ali pro line cards on ebay lately, and they were never double signed when they origionally came out. these are after market and i seriously doubt their authenticity, and i saw one in a GAI case. really makes me wonder about the grading companys, and how hard it would be to fool them. we're talking about the graders that give better grades to dealers that send them a lot of work/money.

bearfield

10-28-2008, 11:51 AM

joshuadusarmy

10-28-2008, 01:32 PM

personally, i don't think topps would allow it. was the card sold on ebay from someplace in the pacific?
if it was, i guarantee its a forgery.

there were a lot of forgerys sold on ebay a few years with a supposedly "scoreboard" stamp on them. all brands, topps donruss and upper deck. how hard would it be to make the coa you have or a scoreboard stamp? the only cards with a legitimate scoreboard stamp on them are scoreboard and pro-line. all they made and sold were star players, all sports.
there were also a lot of emmitt and favre forgerys with the star pics little gold stamp on them, sold on ebay from the pacific area. how hard would that be to make.

and---how hard to prove the scoreboard stamp phony, them being belly up?

these cards originated and were sold from someplace in the pacific, on ebay. very inventive, those people. could not be prosecuted, not being in the US.
and you all know how much good it does to notify ebay. about as much good as telling them about fake patches and shill bidding.

i have noticed a few double signed cassius clay/mohammed ali pro line cards on ebay lately, and they were never double signed when they origionally came out. these are after market and i seriously doubt their authenticity, and i saw one in a GAI case. really makes me wonder about the grading companys, and how hard it would be to fool them. we're talking about the graders that give better grades to dealers that send them a lot of work/money.

Just a FYI ,Pro line did release double signed cards of Ali/Clay,beckett even has them listed as such,I emailed beckett on this and they confirmed some were double signed,however I didn't get an exact print run ,(if it's even known)

joshuadusarmy

10-28-2008, 01:36 PM

Also on the Emmit Smith auto ,can't say for sure if it's real but Scoreboard use to release autograph cards considered "limited edition" on the HSN when they use to do a sports memorabilia show,with those cards they were sold normally inside a large thick plastic case with a nameplate engraved on the front,and a similar COA to your Smith was issued.However as you can all see it is not a very hard coa to forge and with no scoreboard stamp and the company as previously stated having folded,it's really just a guess,only thing you can do is get it "authenticated" Even that is just an opinion.

The Kraken

10-28-2008, 02:30 PM

I worked at a card shop in the mid-late 90's and I do remember scoreboard having "buyback" autos. One of their "four-sport" products had buyback autos for some players that had contracts with scoreboard inc. They also had a one per box scratch off card that was redeemable for signed memoriabilia. Stuff like signed balls,helmets,boxing gloves,pucks, and cards. I even had a newspaper signed by a couple braves players when they won the world series from scoreboard. I'm not saying the emmit auto is real,but I wouldn't be alarmed by it either, I think the only scoreboard autos I would verify as real are the ones that say so on the back of the cards. Or ones that had the seal like their later autos. Like this ray allen...

http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/0f/15/285d_1.JPG

Here is a link to an ebay auction for an emmit signed jersey from scoreboard that you can compare your auto to.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Emmitt-Smith-Auto-Autograph-Jersey-Score-Board-COA_W0QQitemZ260306427639QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item2 60306427639&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FEmmitt-Smith-Auto-Autograph-Jersey-Score-Board-COA_W0QQitemZ260306427639QQcmdZViewItem%3Fhash%3Di tem260306427639%26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkpar ms%3D72%253A1205%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39 %253A1%257C240%253A1318)

Here is a link to one of the buyback cards I was talking about,notice the crimp in the corner?

http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/17/7e/1efd_1.JPG

Here is an interesting read on the companys history.

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/The-Score-Board-Inc-Company-History.html

bearfield

10-28-2008, 02:56 PM

Just a FYI ,Pro line did release double signed cards of Ali/Clay,beckett even has them listed as such,I emailed beckett on this and they confirmed some were double signed,however I didn't get an exact print run ,(if it's even known)

i started collecting autographs when pro line first came out, and i know as much as anybody about pro line, in fact, i know more than beckett.
ask beckett when they first found out about the double signed and who told them. i would be really curious as to where they got their information, because it was known back in 92 that he quit signing cassius clay, and switched to ali after signing 50-100.
what beckett says is just an opinion, same as the card authenticaters.
probably no reason to mention that beckett sleeps with the card companys, and has a serious conflict of interest by putting out the price magazine and grading cards. could that be why their graded cards are priced higher in THEIR magazine?

Yamon999

10-28-2008, 05:07 PM

Hey, I don't think this is legit, since it's numbered to /50, but just wanna know your opinions.

http://cgi.ebay.com/07-Gridiron-Gear-BRADY-QUINN-2x-Patch-NFL-Logo-Auto-RC_W0QQitemZ250222961351QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p32 86.m20.l1116#ebayphotohosting

BU54CB

10-28-2008, 05:59 PM

trombley62

10-29-2008, 12:08 AM

mrgrosskopf

10-31-2008, 01:34 AM

very poorly done fake here
http://cgi.ebay.com/DEANGELO-WILLIAMS-DONRUSS-GRIDIRON-GEMS-PATCH-PANTHERS_W0QQitemZ110306129157QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6 55QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotoh osting (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FDEANGELO-WILLIAMS-DONRUSS-GRIDIRON-GEMS-PATCH-PANTHERS_W0QQitemZ110306129157QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6 55QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem%23ebayphot ohosting)

BU54CB

10-31-2008, 11:09 AM

ManningtoHarrison

11-02-2008, 12:21 PM

BU54CB

11-02-2008, 10:11 PM

The Panthers have a screen print logo right?

Yes it is, always has been.

dan243

11-03-2008, 05:05 PM

The logo on their pants is embroidered. I am not saying that emblem is counterfeit or not.

BU54CB

11-03-2008, 08:39 PM

The logo on their pants is embroidered. I am not saying that emblem is counterfeit or not.

Then the card should say prime pants on the card, correct?

chadjacksonfan

11-03-2008, 08:42 PM

Then the card should say prime pants on the card, correct?

No it wouldnt say that.. but the card is fake.

wnysupport

11-04-2008, 11:45 AM

Item # 180303861125

LOL - wow, and it actually has 8 bids on it.

the1mcjensen

11-05-2008, 10:57 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ronnie-Brown-08-Certified-3-Clr-NFL-Patch-Logo-5-1-1_W0QQitemZ120329072803QQihZ002QQcategoryZ159974QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

yet another horrible horrible fake

zPens87z

11-05-2008, 11:24 AM

Wow that is bad.
It has "game worn jersey" on the bottom right of the card.
:fighting0050:

ManningtoHarrison

11-05-2008, 10:01 PM

Wow that is bad.
It has "game worn jersey" on the bottom right of the card.
:fighting0050:
Well, it does say "prime" jersey. So I guess it's ok to put
in a fake NFL patch... LOL :nono:

TheDoleUSMC

11-12-2008, 03:03 AM

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q154/TheDoleUSMC/Football%20autos/payton.jpg

what do you think? I still havent sent it in for authentication but it looks too clean to be true.:suspicious:

BU54CB

11-12-2008, 11:38 AM

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q154/TheDoleUSMC/Football%20autos/payton.jpg

what do you think? I still havent sent it in for authentication but it looks too clean to be true.:suspicious:

Send it in, I have 3 Payton autos and this is a great example. Why does it look "too clean" isn't that how its supposed to be? I'm not going to say its authentic, but it does look like his auto, especially the W and the inscription. Keep us posted if you send it in.

LA Sports Fan

11-12-2008, 11:39 AM

The Payton looks real.

zPens87z

11-12-2008, 11:56 AM

Edit:The patch that I thought was fake was actually real. My bad. (thanks wheeler)

The only one I have is a non football one
http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/1b/53/1f75_1.JPG
How could you ruin such a nice card?:frusty:
There is an Ebay auction on this, it is buy it now for $1,499.00

bearfield

11-12-2008, 12:11 PM

Send it in, I have 3 Payton autos and this is a great example. Why does it look "too clean" isn't that how its supposed to be? I'm not going to say its authentic, but it does look like his auto, especially the W and the inscription. Keep us posted if you send it in.

here are 10 more payton autos to compare it to, and i know these are all good.

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/rbearfield/PERSONAL%20COLLECTION%20NFT/RB%20PC%20AUTOS/

wheeler281

11-13-2008, 01:04 AM

FYI- The Tjack is real

dan243

11-13-2008, 12:13 PM

PatchCa (http://cgi.ebay.com/06-LEAF-LIMITED-CARNELL-WILLIAMS-AUTO-PATCH-5-CLR-25_W0QQitemZ190265839726QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards?hash=item190265839726&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318)rd Is this original patch or counterfiet? I think it may be the patch from Tampa's 30th anniversary?

harkey1345

11-13-2008, 02:38 PM

BU54CB

11-13-2008, 02:55 PM

look at this fake card:

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-Press-Pass-College-Logo-Patch-SP-MICHAEL-HUFF_W0QQitemZ180306006269QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards?hash=item180306006269&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F2006-Press-Pass-College-Logo-Patch-SP-MICHAEL-HUFF_W0QQitemZ180306006269QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem180306006269%26_trksid% 3Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D72%26%2337%3B3A1205%2 57C66%253A4%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1%257C240%253 A1318)

looks home made

I emailed the guy through ebay, he claims he pulled it, I told him that was impossible, but didn't seem to get it or care.

harkey1345

11-13-2008, 02:56 PM

when did you e-mail him?

yeah, you can tell that it is fake and that is not part of a UT jersey...ive never seen a card like that before

I emailed the guy through ebay, he claims he pulled it, I told him that was impossible, but didn't seem to get it or care.

bolts21

11-15-2008, 12:13 AM

when did you e-mail him?

yeah, you can tell that it is fake and that is not part of a UT jersey...ive never seen a card like that before
wow thats a horrible fake. thats part of the nfl shield and its supposed to be a college gu lol.

BU54CB

11-15-2008, 12:31 AM

when did you e-mail him?

yeah, you can tell that it is fake and that is not part of a UT jersey...ive never seen a card like that before

I sent a message through ebay about 2-3 days ago. IMO, its an aftermarket card, someone cut the hole in the card and put the piece in it.

wheeler281

11-15-2008, 11:49 AM

It could be fake but it is not the NFL shield. There are no rows of stars under the football in 06 or in any nfl logo with the way the ball is going. Furthermore the stitching in the football is not from the NFL shield. What if it is part of a college bowl game jersey or soemthing else? Just saying you never know. Just for the simple fact that is not an nfl shield means something to me . It is Michael Huff too lol. Great measures for someone like that
:)

madman1978

11-15-2008, 11:52 AM

IMO it is Fake

BU54CB

11-15-2008, 09:07 PM

helloooo

11-15-2008, 09:10 PM

That does look fake IMO.

helloooo

11-15-2008, 09:11 PM

Check out this fake logo patch...

helloooo

11-15-2008, 09:11 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/01-Pacific-RARE-N-F-L-LOGO-Patch-CHRIS-CHANDLER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ56048QQihZ025Q QitemZ380079980466QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWQQsalenot supported

wheeler281

11-15-2008, 10:12 PM

Its a huge NFL logo shield patch, its not from an authentic NFL equipment patch. I think the seller bought it and didn't know any better.

Ahh got ya. You would think he had better to fake then Huff lol

BU54CB

11-16-2008, 12:28 AM

Ahh got ya. You would think he had better to fake then Huff lol

You would think, plus press pass does not have the licensing agreement with the NFLPA to put NFL worn items in its cards.

The Kraken

11-16-2008, 04:48 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/01-Pacific-RARE-N-F-L-LOGO-Patch-CHRIS-CHANDLER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ56048QQihZ025Q QitemZ380079980466QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWQQsalenot supported (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F01-Pacific-RARE-N-F-L-LOGO-Patch-CHRIS-CHANDLER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ56048QQihZ025Q QitemZ380079980466QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWQQsalenot supported)

lol

Good lord that must be the only way to get rid of a chris chandler card.

whitesoxrock77

11-16-2008, 05:28 AM

lol

Good lord that must be the only way to get rid of a chris chandler card.

lol....gota pay someone to take it any other way

jasonluckydog17

11-16-2008, 10:57 PM

Check this one out

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-SP-AUTHENTIC-LEON-WASHINGTON-AUTO-R-C-JETS-LOGO-06_W0QQitemZ270300562528QQihZ017QQcategoryZ655QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

vosen8832

11-16-2008, 11:31 PM

Check this one out

http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-SP-AUTHENTIC-LEON-WASHINGTON-AUTO-R-C-JETS-LOGO-06_W0QQitemZ270300562528QQihZ017QQcategoryZ655QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F2006-SP-AUTHENTIC-LEON-WASHINGTON-AUTO-R-C-JETS-LOGO-06_W0QQitemZ270300562528QQihZ017QQcategoryZ655QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I was watching that one, I know there are some throwback uniforms used in that years SPA but I don't know for what players or anything. So I can't say either way.

herdyrules

11-17-2008, 01:53 AM

Watch out for this crooked seller!!!! HE just listed a bunch more fake LOGO patches......

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbones-astanskie

Old user name was 8eightydeuce2

BU54CB

11-17-2008, 11:52 AM

I was watching that one, I know there are some throwback uniforms used in that years SPA but I don't know for what players or anything. So I can't say either way.

There was throwbacks, but that doesn't look like any Jets throwback I've ever seen.

Yamon999

11-18-2008, 12:59 AM

I think this is numbered too high to be real.

http://cgi.ebay.com/PEYTON-MANNING-2003-FLEER-NFL-LOGO-JERSEY-CARD-220-1-1_W0QQitemZ310093315365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards?hash=item310093315365&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318#eb ayphotohosting (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FPEYTON-MANNING-2003-FLEER-NFL-LOGO-JERSEY-CARD-220-1-1_W0QQitemZ310093315365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem310093315365%26_trksid%3Dp 3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D66%26%2337%3B3A2%257C65% 253A1%257C39%253A1%257C240%253A1318%23ebayphotohos ting)

ManningtoHarrison

11-18-2008, 08:07 PM

BU54CB

11-19-2008, 12:32 AM

He has 4 or 5 cards that look fake...:party0048:

Curious, which ones do you think are fake?

He has some very nice 1/1's and nice patches as well, but spends major coin to get them. I think the Manning is probably not authentic, but I'm sure he bought it like that. The rest of his items look legit to me, and I've sold him some items as well.

herdyrules

11-19-2008, 01:14 AM

BU54CB

11-19-2008, 10:34 AM

Most of his patches look fake to me and too bad for the sucker that got lubed up on the Peyton Manning patch. He keeps his buyers id private because he knows he doesn't want people to email them and tell them

Like I said in my previous post, which ones, point them out. I'd say the 2 Marvin Harrison NFL and pro bowl patch are extremely questionable, but I don't have proof. I do know he bought them on ebay like the rest of his stuff, I saw those items and others and know he won them. He's also won the 1/1 items and others that I've watched or bid on myself.

Does he have a few questionable patches, sure, but that doesn't make the rest questionable nor does it automatically make him a bad seller or a patch faker.

wheeler281

11-19-2008, 11:01 AM

herdyrules

11-19-2008, 01:08 PM

People like him that want to hide something always are up to no good. How many sellers that are honestly block their bidder id's??

BU54CB

11-19-2008, 01:35 PM

People like him that want to hide something always are up to no good. How many sellers that are honestly block their bidder id's??

Is making bidder ID's private an indicator of a seller listing something (patch card) that may not be authentic, sure.

Ebay hides the bidder ID's anyway, so what's the difference? You can't tell who you're bidding against and can't send a bidder an email anyway.

APFREEK

11-19-2008, 05:43 PM

ManningtoHarrison

11-19-2008, 06:48 PM

Curious, which ones do you think are fake?

He has some very nice 1/1's and nice patches as well, but spends major coin to get them. I think the Manning is probably not authentic, but I'm sure he bought it like that. The rest of his items look legit to me, and I've sold him some items as well.
Manning-Fleer
Ray Lewis-Artifacts
Taylor Drew- Dual
Barber Johnson- Ultimate
Palmer- Playoff
Harrison- Leaf
Gonzalez- Gridiron
Martin- Leaf
Manning- Leaf Lim
Fitzgerald- Absolute
Moss- Pacific

IMO

BU54CB

11-19-2008, 09:23 PM

what's the point in arguing about all of this, don't buy cards you think are fake. end of story. It personally does not effect you, You may think that it is ruining the hobby and a case can be made for that, but as long as you use your judgment and are happy with the consequences who cares.

Its a message board, people have opinions, and oddly enough, we can express them here. I'm just trying to find out what people think are fake, perhaps I can learn something from them or vice versa.

What's the point of your post, why do you care what we talk about here? Is it bothering you?

BU54CB

11-19-2008, 09:35 PM

Manning-Fleer
Ray Lewis-Artifacts
Taylor Drew- Dual
Barber Johnson- Ultimate
Palmer- Playoff
Harrison- Leaf
Gonzalez- Gridiron
Martin- Leaf
Manning- Leaf Lim
Fitzgerald- Absolute
Moss- Pacific

IMO

Just curious, is it because some of the patches are too good to be true? You do realize some of these are 1/1's and they sometimes try to put nicer patches in 1/1's. I can say I agree with you on a majority of them being questionable.

The Ray Lewis Fleer is authentic, someone on the old Beckett boards actually pulled it. Artifacts has tag patches in the middle swatch and nice patches on the right, with a regular jersey swatch on the left, that's the theme of the set.

The Fitzgerald is a 1/1, and the Palmer and Manning is low numbered, Donruss/Playoff has been using laundry tags even in higher numbered cards. The Taylor-Jones Drew is a 1/1, I've seen nicer patches in higher numbered cards. Other than these 5, I have to agree with your assessment.

ManningtoHarrison

11-20-2008, 06:06 PM

Just curious, is it because some of the patches are too good to be true? You do realize some of these are 1/1's and they sometimes try to put nicer patches in 1/1's. I can say I agree with you on a majority of them being questionable.

The Ray Lewis Fleer is authentic, someone on the old Beckett boards actually pulled it. Artifacts has tag patches in the middle swatch and nice patches on the right, with a regular jersey swatch on the left, that's the theme of the set.

The Fitzgerald is a 1/1, and the Palmer and Manning is low numbered, Donruss/Playoff has been using laundry tags even in higher numbered cards. The Taylor-Jones Drew is a 1/1, I've seen nicer patches in higher numbered cards. Other than these 5, I have to agree with your assessment. Look closer at the Ray Lewis
card. The laundry patch has been damaged and the Ravens logo has
alot of material sticking out of the window. I think the laundry tag
cards are suspect. They just do not look right. IMO...

brpfan

11-21-2008, 06:06 PM

saw this today.....whats your thoughts on it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SP-AUTHENTIC-PATS-LOGO-PATCH-AUTO-LAURENCE-MARONEY-1-1_W0QQitemZ260318762982QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards?hash=item260318762982&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

ManningtoHarrison

11-21-2008, 07:08 PM

saw this today.....whats your thoughts on it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/sp-authentic-pats-logo-patch-auto-laurence-maroney-1-1_w0qqitemz260318762982qqcmdzviewitemqqptzus_sm_sp orts_cards?hash=item260318762982&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3a4%7c65%3a1%7c39%3a1%7c240%3a1318 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3a%2f%2fcgi.ebay.com%2fsp-authentic-pats-logo-patch-auto-laurence-maroney-1-1_w0qqitemz260318762982qqcmdzviewitemqqptzus_sm_sp orts_cards%3fhash%3ditem260318762982%26_trksid%3dp 3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3d66%253a4%257c65%253a1%25 7c39%253a1%257c240%253a1318)
100% fake

brpfan

11-21-2008, 07:36 PM

100% fake

i agree. that just looks rediculous

aw00d05

11-21-2008, 09:36 PM

mrgrosskopf

11-21-2008, 09:38 PM

that is terrible... you can see the old patch under it and the new one is perfectly centered in, it'll probably fall out if turned upside down.

yeah, seller even dirtied it up to to make it even more "authentic"

mrgrosskopf

11-21-2008, 09:43 PM

another well done fake.../end sarcasm

http://cgi.ebay.com/DEANGELO-WILLIAMS-06-EXQUISITE-ROOKIE-AUTO-PATCH-RC-99_W0QQitemZ180307899544QQihZ008QQcategoryZ655QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

showoff

11-23-2008, 05:28 PM

the last one is real i belieeve

BU54CB

11-23-2008, 07:34 PM

the last one is real i belieeve

Can't be, the Carolina Panthers sleeve logo has always been screen printed on the jersey.

BU54CB

11-23-2008, 07:40 PM

Look closer at the Ray Lewis
card. The laundry patch has been damaged and the Ravens logo has
alot of material sticking out of the window. I think the laundry tag
cards are suspect. They just do not look right. IMO...

Hate to say it, but I'm not sure what card you're looking at. The only damage to the tag is a slight line in the bottom left corner, and there's a few threads sticking out on the left side, no big deal. The whole theme of this particular artifacts set is that the center patch is a laundry tag, did you not know that? If someone was going to fake a laundry tag, dont' you think they'd use a better swatch. I own a number of these cards where the tag has been handled or has slight damage. I suppose these are fake as well according to your standards?
http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/BU54CB/NFL%20Equipment%20Patches/ (http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/BU54CB/NFL%20Equipment%20Patches/)

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/BU54CB/RayLewisArt.jpg

The Kraken

11-25-2008, 12:46 AM

Can I get someone opinion on this auction. I was going to get it but do they even have patches like this for this set?

I thought it was one of either,team logo,nfl shield,college logo. This seems a bit unreal,just want opinions not accusing anything. Did brohm ever wear a throwback jersey?

http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-LEAF-R-S-BRIAN-BROHM-SUPER-LOGO-PATCH-JERSEY-4-10_W0QQitemZ330289182527QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards?hash=item330289182527&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-LEAF-R-S-BRIAN-BROHM-SUPER-LOGO-PATCH-JERSEY-4-10_W0QQitemZ330289182527QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards?hash=item330289182527&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318)

This is the only other thing close to it online...
http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-LEAF-R-S-ANDRE-CALDWELL-RC-PATCH-3-10-BENGALS_W0QQitemZ130271233649QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS _SM_Sports_Cards?hash=item130271233649&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318

The Kraken

11-25-2008, 01:15 AM

Thats got to be a fake. A patch from the 75th anniversary season in 1994,that would make brohm like 10 years old at the time he would have "worn" this jersey?

I messaged the seller...

Dear bones-astanskie,

Are you claiming to have pulled this or is it a consignment sell? A patch from the 75th anniversary season in 1994 would be when brian brohm was about 10 years old. He has never worn a jersey depicting that patch on any event or photo shoot.

wheeler281

11-25-2008, 01:24 AM

Those patches are not game worn. They are event worn. Just like UD using throwbacks in the sp authentic DLP used the same. Holmes sp have the bicentennial patch in them. He was not even born when worn in 78 They are event worn. Come on guys this is old school stuff. Here is a pic from tha shows the holmes Heavyhitter and I used to have the complete patch between the 2 of our collections.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j60/IMROMO/SANTONIO%20HOLMES/sh002.jpg
The red and white are off a 78 jersey worn during the event. Just like say Deangelo Williams rookes with the 95 pro bowl jersey swatches in htem. He was like 12 LOL.
BTW The ray lewis above is real as well as the other R&S in your post.

herdyrules

11-25-2008, 01:29 AM

bones-astanskie= BIG TIME FAKE PATCH MAKER!!!!! Others will vogue for that as well as his old user name is 8eightydeuce2

Another fake patch maker auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/BYRON-LEFTWICH-CHRIS-BROWN-CULPEPPER-AUTO-LOT-OF-3_W0QQitemZ220318480753QQihZ012QQcategoryZ149910QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

wheeler281

11-25-2008, 01:34 AM

They can vogue for it all they want.I have seen the other part of that patch from another guy when the product 1st came out. That is 100% real. Does not have to be 1/1 to be real. Laudry tags in 03 on the other auction you listed were /25. That leftwich is real. I guess thease are fake too lol. All /10 or /25(heavyhitters/romosays collection that I watched him build over the years lol)

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j60/IMROMO/HINES%20WARD/LL012.jpg

herdyrules

11-25-2008, 01:38 AM

He is a tool and a fake patch maker as why he had to change his IDs so many times because people were hearing about him. Only reason why you would back him was if you know him

wheeler281

11-25-2008, 01:39 AM

Yup I know him. UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM NO. Just trying to educate instead of fabricate. Nice try to somehow prove your point to reference me into knowing him. How bout proof. That works

herdyrules

11-25-2008, 01:40 AM

Wouldn't shock me to figure 1/2 of those are fake. Send them in to get them authenticated and get back to us

wheeler281

11-25-2008, 01:45 AM

hahahahah Love haters. That is the best you got. ASk about newfie at Beckett and email fit@ud.com if you have any questions. You waste people times. Educate yourself on print runs and what patches are used before making statements with no proof

The Kraken

11-25-2008, 01:49 AM

I don't think the ray lewis was fake but that brohm doesn't make since. The jersey cards from that set just doesn't have patches like that.

Also wheeler your limas sweed leaf limited auto you got off of me from ebay was shipped today. I have a gridiron sweed patch auto up now if you need one of those.

herdyrules

11-25-2008, 01:50 AM

Whatever you say bud, get them authenticated...........

wheeler281

11-25-2008, 01:57 AM

Hey Kraken
I will take a look. You might have this site but here you go.
http://www.sportslogos.net/index.php
Has all the different logos teams and the nfl uses. Rememebr SP authentics uses throwbacks in thier logo cards. I have seen some throwbacks in the R&S so you should be fine. That sweed will go fine with this ;)
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii3/wheeler281/Limas%20Sweed/IMG_0070.jpg

Herdy I am not your bud. I don't have too. I watched the guy build that set(LL and helmet) from scratch from about 16 different sellers and guys who pulled them on box breaks on Beckett.com. He and I battled out the SP's on the bay with all the other Steeler collectors in the world lol I got 500 dollars if you can prove any of them wrong. However I fax you a copy from upperdeck's fit dept you paypal me 250...You have any question just email fit. One Jordan card in your collection does not make you a HE collector

The Kraken

11-25-2008, 02:28 AM

BU54CB

11-25-2008, 10:00 AM

Whatever you say bud, get them authenticated...........

First, the seller of the Brohm is a documented patch faker, won't get into the fake vs. real on this item, don't follow the set.

Second herdy, what gives you such a vast wealth of knowledge about what patches are fake or real? Why don't you skip determining authenticity and leave that to folks that know more than you do about the authenticity of card patches.

If you're going to accuse people of collecting fakes, especially reputable collectors, you'd better step up with some serious proof, otherwise back away from the keyboard.

trombley62

11-25-2008, 11:29 AM

At least now Donruss has a deal where you can have your patched athenticated. With a new process they started last year.

webdogbert

11-30-2008, 09:44 AM

I heard that Donruss was setting up a system by which a collector could use the internet to confirm the authenticity of a particular patch or autograph card. Is that up and running yet? I have not seen the site and I do not know how to get on it or access it. Anyone know?

A site like that sure would be helpful to answer many of the questions that people have about these cards.

On a different note, one of the reasons that I began using this site was to interact with other collectors who know much more than I do about cards. I am relatively new to the hobby (couple of years) and I know guys who have been collecting for a long time and have extensive knowledge of print runs and logos that I do not have. I will often post a question about a patch or a card because I am hoping to get an opinion that is much more informed than my own. I am not trying to bash anyone but I sure don't want to spend money on a fake patch. Sometimes a card looks good and I spend some dough on it but when I send it for authentication, it gets rejected. I have gotten much smarter over the years but I still get fooled occasionally. The other problem is that Beckett and the grading sites really don't know either. I sent in a patch that was rejected by Beckett as fake and then sold it on ebay (with a caveat in the description that I could not guarantee its authenticity). I sold it for next to nothing and then the buyer submitted it to Beckett who promptly graded and authenticated it.

We need a site from the manufacturer that can confirm the genuineness of cards.

Respectfully

dan243

11-30-2008, 10:28 AM

Link! (http://cgi.ebay.com/2005-ABSOLUTE-CADILLAC-WILLIAMS-TAMPA-LOGO-PATCH_W0QQitemZ260323315436QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_S M_Sports_Cards?hash=item260323315436&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

xxxoooxxxnick

11-30-2008, 10:50 AM

that one actually might be real, theres a guy on TCC who has a real patch just like that one.

dan243

11-30-2008, 10:55 AM

that one actually might be real, theres a guy on TCC who has a real patch just like that one.It is Fake.

mack10290

11-30-2008, 11:48 AM

Wouldn't shock me to figure 1/2 of those are fake. Send them in to get them authenticated and get back to us

Those Hines Ward cards in Wheelers scan are not fakes. They were won on E-Bay from many different sellers and I have some of them too. You guys are WAY too paranoid. If your so worried everythings a fake then why not just stick to 1 color GU cards?

wheeler281

11-30-2008, 09:30 PM

it is fake.

why?

BU54CB

11-30-2008, 11:15 PM

why?

Well, most on the boards would probably say because its a nice patch and its virtually impossible for card companies to make a nice patch and insert it into a card. Especially if the card is numbered higher than a 1/1, although people on the boards are now questioning 1/1's along with 1 color jersey cards.

That being said, a better response would be that its possible the patch isn't authentic because the card says event worn jersey on the front, and Playoff distinguishes the difference between a jersey and patch card. This would be a reason question the patch in said card, but provides no absolute proof of authenticity.

wheeler281

11-30-2008, 11:17 PM

Yess I see LOL I wanted to see if he knew why or just the fact it was nice. You know me lol

phrank25

11-30-2008, 11:32 PM

bbplaya

11-30-2008, 11:38 PM

man do i feel bad for the person who bought this

http://cgi.ebay.com/06-07-TOPPS-ANDRE-IGUODALA-LOGO-PATCH-JERSEY-GENERATION_W0QQitemZ330289123225QQcmdZViewItemQQpt ZUS_SM_Sports_Cards?hash=item330289123225&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

ManningtoHarrison

11-30-2008, 11:49 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/randall-cunningham-07-national-treasures-logo-patch-4-8_w0qqitemz110316904481qqcmdzviewitemqqptzus_sm_sp orts_cards?hash=item110316904481&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3a1205%7c66%3a2%7c65%3a12%7c39%3a1%7c 240%3a1318#ebayphotohosting (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3a%2f%2fcgi.ebay.com%2frandall-cunningham-07-national-treasures-logo-patch-4-8_w0qqitemz110316904481qqcmdzviewitemqqptzus_sm_sp orts_cards%3fhash%3ditem110316904481%26_trksid%3dp 3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3d72%26%2337%3b3a1205%257c 66%253a2%257c65%253a12%257c39%253a1%257c240%253a13 18%23ebayphotohosting)
what do you guys think real or fake
real

BU54CB

11-30-2008, 11:57 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Randall-Cunningham-07-National-Treasures-Logo-Patch-4-8_W0QQitemZ110316904481QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards?hash=item110316904481&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318#ebayphotohosting (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FRandall-Cunningham-07-National-Treasures-Logo-Patch-4-8_W0QQitemZ110316904481QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem110316904481%26_trksid%3Dp 3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D72%26%2337%3B3A1205%257C 66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1%257C240%253A13 18%23ebayphotohosting)
what do you guys think real or fake

Real, there's been a bunch of nice Cunningham patches with the sleeve logo. Why would you think its fake?

BU54CB

11-30-2008, 11:58 PM

Yess I see LOL I wanted to see if he knew why or just the fact it was nice. You know me lol

I know, I just like to throw some sarcasm out there, c'mon Wheeler, you know nice patches don't exist. I'd get that Limas Sweed NFL logo patch authenticated if I were you.

phrank25

12-01-2008, 01:20 PM

Real, there's been a bunch of nice Cunningham patches with the sleeve logo. Why would you think its fake?

Im just real sceptical thats all.Theres too mny people out there trying to rip someone off so i just always cover my bases.

Justin

12-02-2008, 10:24 PM

wheeler281

12-02-2008, 10:36 PM

What do you guys think real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/Brian-Westbrook-2005-jersey-prime-patch-eagle-head-logo_W0QQitemZ120341541033QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards?hash=item120341541033&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FBrian-Westbrook-2005-jersey-prime-patch-eagle-head-logo_W0QQitemZ120341541033QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem120341541033%26_trksid% 3Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D72%253A1205%257C66%25 3A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1%257C240%253A1318%25 7C301%253A0%257C293%253A1%257C294%253A50)
i would stay away.

Gotta love nfl logos on leaf emeralds LOL Peopl must be really new to the industry if they think it is real LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ronnie-Brown-08-Certified-3-Clr-NFL-Patch-Logo-5-1-1_W0QQitemZ110319610957QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards?hash=item110319610957&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Justin

12-02-2008, 10:45 PM

How can you tell that the card is fake?

BU54CB

12-02-2008, 11:09 PM

How can you tell that the card is fake?

Which card, the Westbrook? I know there is someone, not sure if its jdworley or not, that put this set together. I believe they spoke with DLP and they told him logo patches were only used in cards from this set with a team logo patch designation on the front of the card. Logo patches were not used in the jumbo prime patches in this set. I could be wrong, but thought that was the case with this particular set.

eagles2185

12-03-2008, 08:56 AM

Which card, the Westbrook? I know there is someone, not sure if its jdworley or not, that put this set together. I believe they spoke with DLP and they told him logo patches were only used in cards from this set with a team logo patch designation on the front of the card. Logo patches were not used in the jumbo prime patches in this set. I could be wrong, but thought that was the case with this particular set.
you are correct, logo patches were only used in the logo parallel #/25 in that set. In this case the auction being shown is supposed to be part of a jersey number. The card is definitely 100% fake.

wheeler281

12-03-2008, 09:14 AM

I am bidding on the emerald Brown so I can blow up his feedback! and burn that card! Be the best 25 bucks I can spend

BU54CB

12-04-2008, 10:39 PM

Fake Romo Pro Bowl Patch. Proof you ask, Romo was in the 06 and 07 pro bowl, the pro bowl patches for both years are just like the ones on the front of the card in the link. There is NO yellow lettering on that patch, nor is there red near any lettering except in the NFL logo.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TONY-ROMO-2007-TOPPS-3-CRL-PRO-BOWL-PATCH-LOGO-49_W0QQitemZ350127487335QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards?hash=item350127487335&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/TONY-ROMO-2007-TOPPS-3-CRL-PRO-BOWL-PATCH-LOGO-49_W0QQitemZ350127487335QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards?hash=item350127487335&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

Justin

12-09-2008, 12:35 AM

Real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBDIX:IT&item=170282418822

BU54CB

12-09-2008, 10:45 AM

Real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBDIX:IT&item=170282418822 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dl l%3FViewItem%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEBDIX%3AIT%26i tem%3D170282418822)

Unless the card doesn't say prime jersey, looks fine to me, nothing stands out that would say its a fake.

trombley62

12-09-2008, 10:54 AM

trombley62

12-09-2008, 10:56 AM

i would stay away.

Gotta love nfl logos on leaf emeralds LOL Peopl must be really new to the industry if they think it is real LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ronnie-Brown-08-Certified-3-Clr-NFL-Patch-Logo-5-1-1_W0QQitemZ110319610957QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards?hash=item110319610957&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Thats and obvious fake, only the 1/1 are nfl logos, they even made a statement saying so.

Justin

12-09-2008, 10:59 AM

Unless the card doesn't say prime jersey, looks fine to me, nothing stands out that would say its a fake.

Well that is good because I won the card.

I would say fake, if you look at the left and right top corners of the patch window, looks like they are slightly slit.

I have looked it over and there are no slits on the corners or anywhere on the card.

So how can I look it over to see if it is a fake?

trombley62

12-09-2008, 11:04 AM

Well that is good because I won the card.

I have looked it over and there are no slits on the corners or anywhere on the card.

So how can I look it over to see if it is a fake?

I enhanced the card in Photobucket on my computer. It looks like about 2 cm slits unless its something else, I'll up the pic for you to look at. Hi Def monitor helps :thumb:

Justin

12-09-2008, 11:11 AM

You want another pic? I can get one right quick.

Justin

12-09-2008, 11:14 AM

I did notice a small crease on one of the corners (well it is not directly on the corner).

trombley62

12-09-2008, 11:17 AM

I did notice a small crease on one of the corners (well it is not directly on the corner).

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p192/trombley62/Untitled-1.jpg

Maybe that'll help to see what I am looking at.

Justin

12-09-2008, 11:23 AM

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p192/trombley62/Untitled-1.jpg

Maybe that'll help to see what I am looking at.

Thanks for the quick lesson. I just pulled the card out of the holder and the right corner seems to have a tiny crease but it is not directly on the corner. So in your opinion it is fake?

trombley62

12-09-2008, 11:55 AM

I believe it is, and the color of the outlined logo looks a bit off. Seems too bright, but not sure.

BU54CB

12-09-2008, 01:10 PM

Well that is good because I won the card.

I was talking about the Kevin Smith card you posted, not the Westbrook.

BU54CB

12-09-2008, 01:12 PM

I believe it is, and the color of the outlined logo looks a bit off. Seems too bright, but not sure.

I agree, something about the color and material of the logo isn't right. That, besides the fact that its been documented on this and the BMB that logo patches were not used in the jumbo prime. There is a subset in this set that has team logo patches, the set says that right on the front of the card.

mrgrosskopf

12-11-2008, 02:53 AM

BU54CB

12-11-2008, 10:15 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/06-Absolute-DeAngelo-Williams-Panthers-Logo-Patch-9-25_W0QQitemZ260326925668QQihZ016QQcategoryZ655QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F06-Absolute-DeAngelo-Williams-Panthers-Logo-Patch-9-25_W0QQitemZ260326925668QQihZ016QQcategoryZ655QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem%23ebayphotohosti ng)

I know someone knows what they put in this set. Just wondering if they did infact put team logos?

Who knows, but this is from a different year than the Westbrook. I

BU54CB

12-11-2008, 10:15 AM

wheeler281

12-11-2008, 10:27 AM

Williams looks fine. Event worn who knows. You know the drill with them. I would buy it if it was a Steelers logo
However this LOL
http://cgi.ebay.com/08-Leaf-Certified-RANDALL-CUNNINGHAM-NFL-Logo-Patch-1-1_W0QQitemZ280293702174QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards?hash=item280293702174&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F08-Leaf-Certified-RANDALL-CUNNINGHAM-NFL-Logo-Patch-1-1_W0QQitemZ280293702174QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem280293702174%26_trksid%3Dp 3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D66%26%2337%3B3A2%257C65% 253A10%257C39%253A1%257C240%253A1318)

BU54CB

12-11-2008, 11:25 AM

trombley62

12-11-2008, 11:30 AM

wheeler281

12-11-2008, 11:49 AM

You are right trombley

trombley62

12-11-2008, 12:01 PM

You are right trombley

At least they put the right type of NFL logo patch in there lol. I have seen some of older players, with 2008 style NFL logo patches in them, and just have to laugh about it.

Brandt504

12-11-2008, 01:38 PM

This card doesn't exist in the set according to Beckett. He says it is #d /25 but the only Freshman Fabric auto #d /25 is the Mirror Gold. Plus I have not seen any other cards from this set with the Auto on the jumbo jersey. Plus it doesnt even look like Ryans Auto...Link below...LMK what you think!

http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-Leaf-Auto-Autographed-Jersey-Matt-Ryan-RC-25-SP_W0QQitemZ230313507065QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards?hash=item230313507065&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F2008-Leaf-Auto-Autographed-Jersey-Matt-Ryan-RC-25-SP_W0QQitemZ230313507065QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem230313507065%26_trksid%3D p3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D72%253A1205%7C66%253A2% 7C65%253A12%7C39%253A1%7C240%253A1318%7C301%253A0% 7C293%253A1%7C294%253A50)

Penguin101

12-11-2008, 01:41 PM

It's a fake and he is a known faker.

Same guy that sold the Exquisite Peterson 47/99, officially deemed fake by Greg Kohn of UD.

This card doesn't exist in the set according to Beckett. He says it is #d /25 but the only Freshman Fabric auto #d /25 is the Mirror Gold. Plus I have not seen any other cards from this set with the Auto on the jumbo jersey. Plus it doesnt even look like Ryans Auto...Link below...LMK what you think!

http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-Leaf-Auto-Autographed-Jersey-Matt-Ryan-RC-25-SP_W0QQitemZ230313507065QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards?hash=item230313507065&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F2008-Leaf-Auto-Autographed-Jersey-Matt-Ryan-RC-25-SP_W0QQitemZ230313507065QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_S ports_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem230313507065%26_trksid%3D p3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D72%253A1205%7C66%253A2% 7C65%253A12%7C39%253A1%7C240%253A1318%7C301%253A0% 7C293%253A1%7C294%253A50)

iowa49erfan

12-17-2008, 11:21 AM

Can someone lend me a hand with this one, please?

http://cgi.ebay.com/02-Steve-Young-San-Francisco-49ers-7-Color-Patch-48-100_W0QQitemZ110327429296QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards?hash=item110327429296&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/02-Steve-Young-San-Francisco-49ers-7-Color-Patch-48-100_W0QQitemZ110327429296QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards?hash=item110327429296&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

Thanks.

vosen8832

12-17-2008, 06:13 PM

Can someone lend me a hand with this one, please?

http://cgi.ebay.com/02-Steve-Young-San-Francisco-49ers-7-Color-Patch-48-100_W0QQitemZ110327429296QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards?hash=item110327429296&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F02-Steve-Young-San-Francisco-49ers-7-Color-Patch-48-100_W0QQitemZ110327429296QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem110327429296%26_trksid%3 Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D66%26%2337%3B3A2%257C6 5%253A10%257C39%253A1%257C240%253A1318)

Thanks.

The back of the card says it's a piece a number patch so I'm thinking fake.

randallcards

12-17-2008, 06:55 PM

the1mcjensen

12-17-2008, 07:08 PM

i have no clue, but you would think topps would stop doing this so we wouldnt have to question every rookie premiere auto

randallcards

12-17-2008, 07:13 PM

i have no clue, but you would think topps would stop doing this so we wouldnt have to question every rookie premiere auto

ya no kidding atleast they had holograms in the past, this year they have no holograms on any of the cards............

BU54CB

12-17-2008, 07:35 PM

The back of the card says it's a piece a number patch so I'm thinking fake.

Agreed, the back say its a piece of number patch, the patch in the card is a piece of the 75th anniversary patch.

iowa49erfan

12-17-2008, 07:49 PM

Thanks guys.

I asked him about it, let's see if he responds.

shadow13x

12-17-2008, 08:12 PM

Thanks guys.

I asked him about it, let's see if he responds.

remember the fleer fire sale when they went under? they dumped a ton of replacement cards on the market, some without patches.

tikitomoka

12-17-2008, 08:42 PM

it looks like its signed in pen, not sharpie. totally fake

Project 4

12-17-2008, 08:46 PM

I Collect Brian Brohm and have a few Autos and i gotta say this is pretty shady looking im guessing a Fake............

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRIAN-BROHM-2008-TOPPS-ROOKIE-PREMIERE-RED-INK-AUTO-SP_W0QQitemZ120349443578QQihZ002QQcategoryZ159973Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FBRIAN-BROHM-2008-TOPPS-ROOKIE-PREMIERE-RED-INK-AUTO-SP_W0QQitemZ120349443578QQihZ002QQcategoryZ159973Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Doesn't the bottom of the card say certified autograph?

tikitomoka

12-17-2008, 08:47 PM

doesnt mean its real, he could easily print it like that

randallcards

12-17-2008, 08:51 PM

Doesn't the bottom of the card say certified autograph?

thats what all the cards say but doesnt mean they are real, i got one fake off e-bay the guy whiped the blue ink off the card and signed it in red ink, u could see the imprint from where it was originally signed:winking0071:

trombley62

12-17-2008, 08:52 PM

Wheres the loop at the end of his name, most of his autos have it..

iowa49erfan

12-17-2008, 09:10 PM

His Reply :

Hi! Picked this up from a friend at a sports show! U are right the patch comes off the emblem anniversity patch not the number specifically as stated...Must be a good reason for the certificate on the back of card warrants the authenticity of the patch of game-worn jersey on the front of the card...your thoughts...

hector234

12-18-2008, 12:13 AM

you go ta seperate card to compare it with?

randallcards

12-18-2008, 12:32 AM

heres my blue ink

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/randallcards/Football%20PC/Brian%20Brohm/BrianBrohmRookiePremiereAuto.jpg

Enigma

12-18-2008, 12:40 AM

http://completist.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/ebay-scam-peopleschoice7373/

Follow up comments:

http://wordpress.com/tag/peopleschoice7373/

aw00d05

12-18-2008, 12:48 AM

he just sold a card like this a month ago...sounds odd to me, he's also sold 3 flaccos since october...

rchurchward

12-18-2008, 12:50 AM

There is a forum for real/fake cards. Please post things like this in there, not in their individual threads.

And before you say it, no, that one is NOT solely for patches.

klavalla

12-18-2008, 12:50 AM

Are the reds numbered to 10 on the back ??

The Kraken

12-18-2008, 01:05 PM

Are the reds numbered to 10 on the back ??

I think I read that there are actually 20 red autos of each card. I have 10 brohm autos and some have the loop and some don't,I think it just depends on how far along the player is in signing the lot of cards/stickers. Mine go from nice...
http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/BHweinerdog/Brian%20Brohm%20PC/?action=view&current=new2012.jpg (http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/BHweinerdog/Brian%20Brohm%20PC/?action=view&current=new2012.jpg)
and
http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/BHweinerdog/Brian%20Brohm%20PC/?action=view&current=new8006.jpg
To downright sloppy...

http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/BHweinerdog/Brian%20Brohm%20PC/?action=view&current=new2101.jpg
http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd194/BHweinerdog/Brian%20Brohm%20PC/?action=view&current=new025.jpg

klavalla

12-18-2008, 01:41 PM

those are some nice cards.

klavalla

12-18-2008, 02:37 PM

I have bought a couple cards from this Bones guy and there not fake. the patches I have there is no way to to take the jersey piece out and insert the patch and not screw up the card. I have the 08 rivers leaf limited NFL logo tag and its fat and well under the face of the card. and is prefect. Something that big is just too hard to tamper with with out some kind of sign of tampering, I also have the triple threads dolphins rookie patch. Patches from that set are common and some are very nice. like the Breston cardinal head I have and the Steven Jackson logo there is just no way to fake that its the whole head patch. I have had A lot of unique patch cards and would hate to see my name on these boards being called a rip off when selling on the ebay site. You all are doing the right thing by asking the seller. But Its up to you to ask for a enlarged scan of the area where the patch is. If they don't reply or say no. then you know something is fishy and don't buy. I may have gotten lucky with these cards but have seen a few similar from other sellers and this seller was more than happy to end me large scans before I bought. Just my 2 cents

phil

allday_vikes

12-18-2008, 02:39 PM

The Kraken

12-18-2008, 03:17 PM

those are some nice cards.

thanks :winking0071:

The Kraken

12-18-2008, 03:18 PM

Wow is this fake??
http://cgi.ebay.com/07-SP-Authentic-Adrian-Peterson-Rookie-Auto-Logo-Jsy_W0QQitemZ250341516165QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards?hash=item250341516165&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1308 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F07-SP-Authentic-Adrian-Peterson-Rookie-Auto-Logo-Jsy_W0QQitemZ250341516165QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem250341516165%26_trksid%3 Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D66%253A2%7C65%253A1%7C 39%253A1%7C240%253A1308)

lol,check out the question at the bottom. Looks like he wasn't too happy with it.

BU54CB

12-18-2008, 04:14 PM

klavalla

12-18-2008, 04:21 PM

the Bones-Astanskie seller.

JDFoxTrot79

12-18-2008, 04:26 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Carson-Palmer-Carr-Boller-Absolute-Prime-3-Patch-25_W0QQitemZ260291086554QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item26 0291086554&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A4|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

That is real...i pulled that form a pack except my carr and palmer were the cool patches and and my boller was single colored

klavalla

12-18-2008, 04:43 PM

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/karinlavalla/2008-12-18123308PM.jpg

hears one of the cards, there is no way to slide this fat or fluffy piece under the flap with out some kind of damage

BU54CB

12-18-2008, 05:43 PM

klavalla, your image is gone, can't see it. As far as bones astanskie, he used to be ebay user ID 8eightydeuce8 or something like that, and was a proven patch faker (evidence) on this forum and the BMB.

klavalla

12-18-2008, 05:58 PM

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/karinlavalla/Football/sweetrivers001.jpg

see if the works I'm just saying I got lucky

BU54CB

12-18-2008, 06:37 PM

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/karinlavalla/Football/sweetrivers001.jpg

see if the works I'm just saying I got lucky

Could very well be real, what is it numbered to? One thing I will tell you, don't doubt the skills of any patch faker, going in through the patch window isn't the only way to insert a counterfeit patch.

ManningtoHarrison

12-18-2008, 09:05 PM

Could very well be real, what is it numbered to? One thing I will tell you, don't doubt the skills of any patch faker, going in through the patch window isn't the only way to insert a counterfeit patch.
How else could it be done ?

Justin

12-18-2008, 09:11 PM

I would say that card is real.

Sparky

12-18-2008, 09:30 PM

Keep in mind that you can send the card to Donruss to be authenticated. It's a nice card so it might be worth the ten bucks.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/karinlavalla/Football/sweetrivers001.jpg

see if the works I'm just saying I got lucky

klavalla

12-18-2008, 09:31 PM

its numbered 04/30

BU54CB

12-18-2008, 10:30 PM

How else could it be done ?

Split the card in half.

ManningtoHarrison

12-18-2008, 10:43 PM

Split the card in half.
The 2 halves are glued together, you would ruin the card
if you did that. Plus you would have to put it back together
again right?

BU54CB

12-18-2008, 11:34 PM

The 2 halves are glued together, you would ruin the card
if you did that. Plus you would have to put it back together
again right?

I'm not quite sure how they do it, but I've heard stories and seen some that have been split. If people shave edges and corners on rc's to get good grades, don't you think people have figured a good way to split cards and glue them back together?

klavalla

12-18-2008, 11:42 PM

well I have gone over this card with a fine tooth comb and have found no flaws or tamper marks. No separation of the fabric fibers no marks on any side of the card. Had to bust out the magnifying glass on this one. So I'm saying I made a good investment for my collection . not even on the piece between the 17 perfect. the jersey piece is attached to the tag and fits all the way into the cut out piece they make for the jersey. I even took the chance to see if was two pieces and nope all one. My eyes hurt now gonna up date my bucket now . Figured how to use my scanner with the new Vista, Just is going to take a while. Happy Holidays
Phil

webdogbert

12-19-2008, 12:55 AM

Unfortunately, the ongoing discussion is likely correct. Patch fakers can get round the die cut windows by taking the card apart down the middle, removing the patch and replacing with a much nicer logo patch and then reconstituting the card. They can make the cards look pretty darn good. Also, old "bones" is an excellent faker; he can pull just about anything out of his ?*&@ and put it into a card and it can look legit. I would have to agree that anything bought from him is suspect just because of his reputation.

wsuhoops999

12-22-2008, 04:09 PM

is this real?http://i6.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/24/01/7837_1.JPG

frstbasmn13

12-22-2008, 06:08 PM

I'm new to card collecting, so bare with me a bit. In these kind of cards, the patch isn't cut its a part of a jersey Is thats what is fake about these?

ManningtoHarrison

12-22-2008, 07:00 PM

is this real?http://i6.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/24/01/7837_1.JPG
2004 Fleer had alot of fake NFL patch cards. There was a huge amount
of blank patch cards that got sold after Fleer went bankrupt and many
people bought them without the jersey patch in them and put in there
own fake patch. I am sure this is the same case with the NBA cards al
well. Ask around, but it looks very suspicious to me.

Sparky

12-22-2008, 08:38 PM

The window around the NBA logo looks really beat up, as if someone tried to shoehorn that swatch in there. I'd stay away.

is this real?http://i6.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/24/01/7837_1.JPG

Sparky

12-22-2008, 08:42 PM

I'm new to card collecting, so bare with me a bit. In these kind of cards, the patch isn't cut its a part of a jersey Is thats what is fake about these?

Multicolor and logo swatch cards usually sell for a premium. Some unscrupulous eBayers take a low value card with a plain jersey swatch in it, remove it, and then fit a non-game worn patch or logo swatch in the card so that it will be more valuable when they sell it to some unsuspecting collector. However, if the fake can be spotted, the fact that the card was altered basically makes it worthless.

wsuhoops999

12-23-2008, 09:37 AM

This card is being traded by someone on scf..........

madman1978

12-28-2008, 01:50 PM

Ok experts lets hear from everyone
If real i am sure wheeler or HeavyHitter will by on this one
http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/26/d0/6f0e_1.JPG

ManningtoHarrison

12-28-2008, 03:33 PM

Ok experts lets hear from everyone
If real i am sure wheeler or HeavyHitter will by on this one
http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/26/d0/6f0e_1.JPG
FAKE :sign0020::sign0020::sign0020:

trombley62

12-28-2008, 04:59 PM

Ok experts lets hear from everyone
If real i am sure wheeler or HeavyHitter will by on this one
http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/26/d0/6f0e_1.JPG

That steelers logo looks sketch. Isnt the material the white circle made of different, more like a heavy sewn patch material?

wheeler281

12-28-2008, 07:55 PM

That steelers logo looks sketch. Isnt the material the white circle made of different, more like a heavy sewn patch material?

Nope that is the exact patch worn during games. However if Zinger had it it is fake

ManningtoHarrison

12-28-2008, 08:01 PM

That steelers logo looks sketch. Isnt the material the white circle made of different, more like a heavy sewn patch material?
Trust me.. It is 100% fake. Even the Steelers fans don't know.:sign0020:

wheeler281

12-28-2008, 08:05 PM

I hope they think so. Instead of spending 3k this week on cards I might only spend 2800 lol

The Kraken

12-28-2008, 08:15 PM

I say real. I had a willie parker threads patch that was just the red star. I pulled it so I know they use that patch.

ManningtoHarrison

12-28-2008, 08:29 PM

I hope they think so. Instead of spending 3k this week on cards I might only spend 2800 lol
Howie, I used to own that card. It's on Ebay right now and number
1/25. :sign0020::sign0020::sign0020::sign0020:

wheeler281

12-28-2008, 09:01 PM

Howie, I used to own that card. It's on Ebay right now and number
1/25. :sign0020::sign0020::sign0020::sign0020:

What card? The Marks of Fame in question. If it is the on you are talking about. You are mistaken. You did not own that card. I know who had that at one time. He had it when it 1st came out. I swear on my girls it is real

ManningtoHarrison

12-28-2008, 09:19 PM

What card? The Marks of Fame in question. If it is the on you are talking about. You are mistaken. You did not own that card. I know who had that at one time. He had it when it 1st came out. I swear on my girls it is real
Elaine on Seinfeld said it best.. FAKE... FAKE... FAKE ... FAKE..
:sign0020::sign0020::sign0020::sign0020::sign0020:

wheeler281

12-28-2008, 09:24 PM

trombley62

12-28-2008, 09:38 PM

ManningtoHarrison

12-28-2008, 09:41 PM

Ok got your point. It is ok to be wrong no matter how many times you say it. You tried to say you owned it to prove your point. Then when I pointed out I knew who did( a bmb member) when it 1st came out you bailed on that one. Once you tell a lie to try and prive a point your character is brought into question. BTW what makes you credible in card collecting. Where is that fantastic collection of yours ;)
I did not bail out on anything. I am telling you that I owned that card
#1/25. That patch is FAKE. Look at the Marvin Harrison 06 Exquisite 1/1.
I used to own that card too. It also is a fake patch. Most of you collectors
are clueless. I look in the photo buckets and see many fake patch cards
that you are not aware of are fake. Hate to burst your bubble Howie..

ManningtoHarrison

12-28-2008, 09:45 PM

You just owned him! :sign0020:

If you only knew :sign0020::sign0020::sign0020::sign0020:
CLUELESS

trombley62

12-28-2008, 09:56 PM

If you only knew :sign0020::sign0020::sign0020::sign0020:
CLUELESS

At least my patches are not faked...pull them myself...

BU54CB

12-28-2008, 10:10 PM

I did not bail out on anything. I am telling you that I owned that card
#1/25. That patch is FAKE. Look at the Marvin Harrison 06 Exquisite 1/1.
I used to own that card too. It also is a fake patch. Most of you collectors
are clueless. I look in the photo buckets and see many fake patch cards
that you are not aware of are fake. Hate to burst your bubble Howie..

Oh wise one, share you're vast knowledge with us, I'm sure us clueless collectors could all use your extraordinary skills you use to identify fake patches.

What I'm curious about is where did you get all this knowledge, and if you're so sure all these patches are fake, where's your proof? You offer no proof, no logical reasoning, nothing. Why should we listen to anything you say, you have no standing on these boards except a littany of dumb posts claiming all this knowledge of fake patches.

If memory serves, zinger, a well known rampant patch faker, owned that Marvin Harrison 1/1 exquisite and stuck an NFL logo in it, maybe that's you?

wheeler281

12-28-2008, 10:11 PM

Snyper

12-28-2008, 10:39 PM

If you only knew :sign0020::sign0020::sign0020::sign0020:
CLUELESS

What's up Zinger?

BU54CB

12-28-2008, 10:48 PM

He won't post again tonight I bet, now that he's getting called out, he won't have the stones to reply to anyone.

frstbasmn13

12-28-2008, 11:14 PM

That sig doesn't look right. I don't know anything about the logo but I know autographs and I really don't think that sigs real.

The Kraken

12-28-2008, 11:26 PM

BU54CB

12-28-2008, 11:36 PM

Here's a fake Walter Payton patch. During Payton's career, the Bears always had screen printed numbers on their game jerseys, never had sewn on numbers. I've seen gamers from all stages of his career, all screen printed numbers and nameplates.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb269/BU54CB/FakePayton.jpg

BU54CB

01-05-2009, 10:32 AM

Not sure what happened to the fake patch thread that was a sticky, but this Ed Reed patch is hilarious, take a look and I'm sure you'll agree.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-Ultimate-Collection-Ed-Reed-Patch-25-35-NFL-Logo_W0QQitemZ280299704973QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards?hash=item280299704973&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

wheeler281

01-05-2009, 11:02 AM

who cares anymore lol. Everyone should just get a little more educated and they will be fine. He does have the word patch in his favor :)

rchurchward

01-05-2009, 12:19 PM

Here it is.

BU54CB

01-05-2009, 03:44 PM

who cares anymore lol. Everyone should just get a little more educated and they will be fine. He does have the word patch in his favor :)

True, I just like to see the junk people try to pass off. Although info like this helps to educate.

dcj79

01-05-2009, 07:42 PM

How real are these?
Peyton Manning 1/1 nfl logo patch Front: http://i11.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/27/55/3cff_1.JPG Back: http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/27/55/3d63_1.JPG

Plaxico Burress 1/1 nfl patch
Front: http://i17.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/12/a5/9ad6_1.JPG
Back: http://i7.ebayimg.com/07/i/001/12/a5/b9fd_1.JPG

GotBrady12

01-05-2009, 07:44 PM

1/1 ... look real !

sportsplayer72012

01-05-2009, 07:46 PM

those are 1000000000000000000000000 times 100000000000000000000 percent real those are LCM 1/1 logos youll see quite a few of those out there

dcj79

01-05-2009, 08:01 PM

Thanks I was just wondering. I have seen patches on ebay that have looked fake though but not lcm.

those are 1000000000000000000000000 times 100000000000000000000 percent real those are LCM 1/1 logos youll see quite a few of those out there

rchurchward

01-05-2009, 08:02 PM

Moving these to the Real/Fake thread that we have. Please keep your Real/Fake discussions to that place, not here.

BU54CB

01-05-2009, 09:51 PM

cowboyzqna

01-06-2009, 12:58 AM

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/cowboyzqna/scan0003-1.jpg

I've already talked to donruss and will know if its real or not in a few days... just wanted to see what everyone thought??

wheeler281

01-06-2009, 02:27 AM

McFarlaneRuss21

01-06-2009, 02:41 AM

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/cowboyzqna/scan0003-1.jpg

I've already talked to donruss and will know if its real or not in a few days... just wanted to see what everyone thought??

Is that the one that was on eBay for a few weeks?

I have my doubts, as I do not recall doak wearing any jerseys with 3 colors

He wore the old red/white jerseys and some blue w/ white or silver but I cannot find any pics with a jersey that could patch that swatch.

Here is a pic from 1954, the season prior to his retirement and they were still wearing the solid blue with silver numbers. I dont believe the stripped sleve came until 1957.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/image/1954/07/26/001301564.jpg

I really do hope it is real tho!

BU54CB

01-06-2009, 10:25 AM

Is that the one that was on eBay for a few weeks?

I have my doubts, as I do not recall doak wearing any jerseys with 3 colors

He wore the old red/white jerseys and some blue w/ white or silver but I cannot find any pics with a jersey that could patch that swatch.

Here is a pic from 1954, the season prior to his retirement and they were still wearing the solid blue with silver numbers. I dont believe the stripped sleve came until 1957.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/image/1954/07/26/001301564.jpg

I really do hope it is real tho!

I hope its real as well, keep us posted to what Donruss says. Did you send the card into Donruss? I have the same concerns as you. From the picture, the swatch material doesn't look like vintage material. The Grey or silver looks shiny and the white looks screened on.

wheeler281

01-06-2009, 10:30 AM

way to paranoid. it is 6/8. I am sure you will be fine.

BU54CB

01-06-2009, 10:55 AM

way to paranoid. it is 6/8. I am sure you will be fine.

I saw this card on ebay for a while and was interested in it for my NT collection. I did plenty of research and decided to pass based solely on the swatch. The swatch doesn't match up with the old uniform material and coloring. I absolutely could be wrong, but something didn't jive for me. I actually do research on cards before I purchase them if I feel something is questionable, I don't question something just to question it. I hope for cowboyzqna that its real, he's got a nice set going.

Wheeler, you know that numbering on a card doesn't matter, people will fake anything if they can make a buck. I'd be curious to hear your argument for its authenticity.

Penguin101

01-06-2009, 11:04 AM

I too have my doubts about that one, the material looks way too modern compared to what they used back then. It's a nice card and I hope it's real but very questionable one.

McFarlaneRuss21

01-06-2009, 01:31 PM

way to paranoid. it is 6/8. I am sure you will be fine.

I was simply saying I have some doubts, never said it was outright fake. Just that as a Lions fan I do no recall him ever wearing a jersey with 3 colors.

Like I said, I truly hope its real because I'd hate to see such a nice card ruined by some idiot trying to squeeze an extra few bucks out of it.

cowboyzqna

01-06-2009, 04:45 PM

I apreciate everyone who weighed in... thats why i poste it. Well I just got of the phone with donruss and there was an error when I made my request so they told me to just go ahead and send it in and they will authenticate/not authenticate it for me with no further charges.... I also ask about a box I bought a long time ago and she told me she'd send me my replacement cards in a week~! so thats cool.

So depending on mail time and all I'll let everyone know just as soon as I do. .... HERES HOPING~!

zPens87z

01-06-2009, 07:26 PM

[Edit]

McFarlaneRuss21

01-06-2009, 07:49 PM

can we some how make it where you cant post a card until you've done at least a little bit of research first?

zPens87z

01-06-2009, 07:56 PM

I'm sorry, I can take it down if you want me too.

cubslovableloser

01-06-2009, 08:47 PM

this card is real, this card has already been discussed before, the 1 of 1 stamp is on the right side of the front of the card right at the glove.

iowa49erfan

01-06-2009, 09:25 PM

this card is real, this card has already been discussed before, the 1 of 1 stamp is on the right side of the front of the card right at the glove.

That doesnt mean anything. People tamper with those as well only to bring the total dollar amount up.

iowa49erfan

01-06-2009, 09:26 PM

can we some how make it where you cant post a card until you've done at least a little bit of research first?

This is a forum for help. If someone needs help with a card they come here for that not for criticism. If you don't feel like helping move along.

zPens87z

01-06-2009, 10:06 PM

Yeah, I didn't see that before, thanks...

wheeler281

01-06-2009, 10:26 PM

is this fake?
http://cgi.ebay.com/08-ud-spx-chris-johnson-dual-nfl-logo-auto-true-1-1_w0qqitemz150314846431qqcmdzviewitemqqptzus_sm_sp orts_cards?hash=item150314846431&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3a1205|66%3a2|65%3a12|39%3a1|240%3a13 18 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3a%2f%2fcgi.ebay.com%2f08-ud-spx-chris-johnson-dual-nfl-logo-auto-true-1-1_w0qqitemz150314846431qqcmdzviewitemqqptzus_sm_sp orts_cards%3fhash%3ditem150314846431%26_trksid%3dp 3911.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3d72%253a1205%257c66%253a2 %257c65%253a12%257c39%253a1%257c240%253a1318)
http://i6.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/22/de/88fe_1.jpg

lol lol lol

BU54CB

01-06-2009, 10:46 PM

That doesnt mean anything. People tamper with those as well only to bring the total dollar amount up.

Yes, that is true, but there are sets that contain NFL logo patches numbered 1/1, they are in the checklist.

McFarlaneRuss21

01-06-2009, 11:12 PM

This is a forum for help. If someone needs help with a card they come here for that not for criticism. If you don't feel like helping move along.

No, i'm all for helping, do it all the time.

What I no longer have patience for is when someone posts a 1/1 card that has NFL logo(s) in it and by simplying going to the Upper Deck website and looking at the set checklist they would see there is a 1/1 subset of the RC autos which contain 2 nfl logos and a patch.

To me this should be for cards which fall outside the realm of possibility. I just see so many cards that with a minimal amount of research it would answer any questions.

wheeler281

01-07-2009, 12:26 AM

This is a forum for help. If someone needs help with a card they come here for that not for criticism. If you don't feel like helping move along.

:smash::smash::smash:

Project 4

02-05-2009, 01:00 PM

:smash::smash::smash:

Anyone know if this seller is legit? I've heard his name surface several times as a possible faker. I'm interested in an sp authentic he's selling right now. Here it is.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2004-SP-AUTHENTIC-MATT-SCHAUB-FALCONS-LOGO-PATCH-AUTO_W0QQitemZ370154479836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards?hash=item370154479836&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50#ebayphot ohosting

BU54CB

02-05-2009, 03:42 PM

Anyone know if this seller is legit? I've heard his name surface several times as a possible faker. I'm interested in an sp authentic he's selling right now. Here it is.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2004-SP-AUTHENTIC-MATT-SCHAUB-FALCONS-LOGO-PATCH-AUTO_W0QQitemZ370154479836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards?hash=item370154479836&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50#ebayphot ohosting

I wouldn't touch a patch of his with someone else's money. He's famous for taking the regular jersey patches from Absolute memorabilia and putting prime swatch patches when the front of the jersey clearly states jersey. Two links, I'll let you decide, spend wisely.

I think someone posted on this already, never seen a reebok logo on spa rc's.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-SP-AUTHENTIC-MICHAEL-BUSH-REEBOK-LOGO-PATCH-AUTO_W0QQitemZ220352713110QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards?hash=item220352713110&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

There is no way this patch came from a Yankees uni, black surrounds the logo, meaning the Yankees would have to have worn black jerseys at some point, they never have.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2005-ABSOLUTE-ROGER-MARIS-YANKEES-LOGO-PATCH_W0QQitemZ370148025068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_S M_Sports_Cards?hash=item370148025068&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Project 4

02-05-2009, 04:42 PM

BU54CB

02-05-2009, 04:52 PM

yeah, he does seem shady, thanks for the advice. However, I recently found out that sp authentic have been putting reebok logos on their cards for this year. I'm not too sure about the previous years.

I know, I saw that break just after I posted. I'm not aware of the reebok logo in any other years though.

webdogbert

02-06-2009, 04:37 PM

I would cautiously stay away based on personal experience with this seller.

cbooker

02-06-2009, 06:19 PM

Snyper

02-06-2009, 06:26 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/BARRY-SANDERS-ABSOLUTE-PATCH-NFL-LOGO-75th-22-25_W0QQitemZ230323336335QQihZ013QQcategoryZ111057Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thoughts?

BU54CB

02-06-2009, 06:31 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/BARRY-SANDERS-ABSOLUTE-PATCH-NFL-LOGO-75th-22-25_W0QQitemZ230323336335QQihZ013QQcategoryZ111057Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FBARRY-SANDERS-ABSOLUTE-PATCH-NFL-LOGO-75th-22-25_W0QQitemZ230323336335QQihZ013QQcategoryZ111057Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Thoughts?

I have no proof, but I'd stay away. I've seen this card with this patch before, plus every year Sanders has had an Absolute patch, I've seen the 75th Anniversary logo in it. I have collected the Absolute patches subset heavily since it came out. I don't so much anymore, but I do watch them. I actually have a 3 color Barry Sanders Absolute Patch somewhere if interested.

BU54CB

02-06-2009, 06:33 PM

what do you think of this real or fake

http://cgi.ebay.com/Larry-Fitzgerald-Donruss-Gridiron-Gear-06-NFL-Patch-1-1_W0QQitemZ160313257337QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Sp orts_Cards?hash=item160313257337&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Tought to tell on the Fitz, quite a few high numbered cards have tag patches in them now. No proof otherwise, so take your chances if you think its worth it.

eflo328

02-08-2009, 08:00 PM

agreed

allday_vikes

02-09-2009, 06:50 PM

shamrock77s

02-11-2009, 08:17 PM

This Sanders got to be fake right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/1989-SCORE-BARRY-SANDERS-AUTO-RC-BGS-JSA-AUTH-10-AUTO_W0QQitemZ150325145885QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards?hash=item150325145885&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F1989-SCORE-BARRY-SANDERS-AUTO-RC-BGS-JSA-AUTH-10-AUTO_W0QQitemZ150325145885QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM _Sports_Cards%3Fhash%3Ditem150325145885%26_trksid% 3Dp3286.c0.m14%26_trkparms%3D66%253A2%257C65%253A3 %257C39%253A1%257C240%253A1318)

How in the hell did that get authenticated?

Sparky

02-11-2009, 10:25 PM

shamrock77s

02-11-2009, 11:32 PM

Athletes' signatures can change over time. There is the possibility that the card was signed circa 1989 and that Barry's auto was a lot neater back then considering that he hadn't signed thousands of autos yet. I have no idea if that's the case but its possible.

Very true, I've seen sigs change throughout the years, but this Barry isn't right. This is an early Barry sig too, from 1991, and it seems to have changed very little from 91-09....why would it have changed so much in 2 years time (assuming only that Sanders signed this one right out of the box in 1989?)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Barry-Sanders-1991-Arena-Certified-Autograph-AUTO_W0QQitemZ400020038700QQihZ027QQcategoryZ73396 QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp16 38Q2em118Q2el1247

bearfield

02-12-2009, 12:41 PM

CalChargerFan

02-13-2009, 02:29 PM

I submitted an offer of 70 on this and the seller countered with 85, I think I'm glad they didn't take my 70

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBOFFX:IT&item=170300854503 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dl l%3FViewItem%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEBOFFX%3AIT%26 item%3D170300854503)

bwalker17

02-15-2009, 10:41 PM

heres a sweet antrel rolle fake and horrible at that....i have never seen him sign like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antrel-Rolle-Signed-Autographed-Cardinals-Mini-Helmet_W0QQitemZ180328771827QQihZ008QQcategoryZ272 76QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antrel-Rolle-Signed-Autographed-Cardinals-Mini-Helmet_W0QQitemZ320341278950QQihZ011QQcategoryZ272 76QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Yamon999

03-12-2009, 01:21 AM

Up to no good again?

http://cgi.ebay.com/06-National-Treasures-Walter-Payton-NFL-Logo-Tag-Patch_W0QQitemZ160319651116QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_S M_Sports_Cards?hash=item160319651116&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

daveb1

03-12-2009, 03:45 AM

Hey guys i just bought this can you guys tell me if its Fake or real?? The COA comes from the company that you guys posted products from on here and you guys said they were all fake, i think its strike zone sports? anyways if this is fake i will either stop payment or when i get it , i will send it back, please LMK what you guys think! Thanks in advance

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=180335214446 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335896190&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dl l%3FViewItem%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26it em%3D180335214446)

After looking @ ebay auctions, it seems he always signs "10" at the end of his auto, should i send it back?!?

ugameck

03-12-2009, 12:12 PM

just to mention a couple things
1. there was no reason to get his auto and get it graded in 89 as he wasn't the big star then. you didn't pay to get an unproven rookie graded back then.
2. even the great "beckett" can be fooled, its not hard, they are far from perfect, and was probably even less so when the card was graded. i always thought that they were as smart as a bag of doorknobs. a small bag.

barry was huge coming out of college. not saying it is real or fake, but there is nothing that doesn't suggest that he got Barry to sign it in 1989 - been in a screw down for the past many years, he wanted to sell it and since his autograph has changed in the past years, he wanted to authenticate it. is this a possibility?

Truecardoholics

03-12-2009, 01:04 PM

Just because the Sanders card is in the Beckett/ JSA holder does not mean it is the card that Beckett/ JSA authenticated.

Project 4

03-20-2009, 03:40 AM

Does anyone know if Dmarcus8 from ebay is a faker? has this really nice card I'm interested in.

eagles2185

03-20-2009, 09:11 AM

Does anyone know if Dmarcus8 from ebay is a faker? has this really nice card I'm interested in.

its been talked about a couple years ago he switched to the "dark side" and began inserting fake patches into cards

Project 4

03-20-2009, 09:36 AM

its been talked about a couple years ago he switched to the "dark side" and began inserting fake patches into cards

thanks for the heads up. Hey, how's the eagles situation working out in philadelphia? Seems like they're unloading a lot of veterans? Are they going to let Mcnabb go as well?

LA Sports Fan

03-20-2009, 01:28 PM

ive had good luck recently, i guess it pays to research a little

Project 4

03-20-2009, 02:51 PM

ive had good luck recently, i guess it pays to research a little

what kind of research? have you bought from him before?

rchurchward

03-29-2009, 12:01 AM

Bump this.

Rayzorsports

03-29-2009, 11:52 PM

Either this guy bought these from other sellers, is the Luckiest man alive with redemption's or he is good at faking patches.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-SP-AUTHENTIC-DUSTIN-KELLER-AUTO-PATCH-RC-805-999_W0QQitemZ390039445298QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards?hash=item390039445298&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/08-Sp-Authentic-Joe-Flacco-RC-Auto-Logo-Patch-831-999_W0QQitemZ390039446518QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards?hash=item390039446518&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com/08-SP-AUTHENTIC-AUTO-RC-PATCH-RAY-RICE-5CLR-724-999_W0QQitemZ390039448981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_ Sports_Cards?hash=item390039448981&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318