I informed an Ebay seller that he mistakenly put patch in the title for a SP Game Used jersey card of Dany Heatley. I let him know that the patch cards had a gold background and were numbered and that he was just listing the regular jersey card

his response
In Canada we don't call them jersey's, we call them sweaters, and if someone doesn't know what there looking at when they see my listing I can not be responsible! The listing does not say it is numbered it only states authentic piece of memorablia the scan shows the card very clearly, and indeed there is a sweater patch in this card!


to me this still seems a bit shady, especially it clearly states authentic jersey on the card. What do you guys & girls think?

hes stupid.

i am canadian and i dont call them sweaters that is retarded

Ya im from Canada to. We call them jerseys lol. I think it is very shady. Trying to get $4 more lol

yeah, I also call them jerseys not sweaters. A sweater is something I wear to keep myself warm

Yeah the seller's a bit off the wall.

Well if he oldtime I could understanding them calling them Sweaters but that just me. Could just be a old time hockey nut that sells cards and is not truly in touch with the terminology of cards but just hockey in general.

I am sure you will be watching all his other auctions.

DOn

Yea I've hear jersey pieces referred to as patches pretty frequently, so I do not know if this guy was intentionally trying to mislead people or not. I mean to us collectors, we have different terminology cuz this is the stuff we collect, but it is not uncommon for someone who is less into the hobby to see a 1 sq inch piece of jersey and call it a patch.

Whether he calls it a sweater or jersey appears to be irrelevant to him. What would he call a card with a patch? A patch patch? probably not. A patch can be defined as"a small piece, scrap, or area of anything", so technically he is correct. But to me it just sounds like he is careless with his description and doesn't really care about the interpretation because he knows what it is and so should you. My experience on ebay has taught me to read and re-read the listing and if it appears to be ambiguous ask questions just like you did.

Nobody up here refers to them as sweater's, no one that I've met anyways.

Everyone here missed the point completely so stop with the insults. If you are an ebay seller you know that "PATCH" is better keyword for searches. He is trying to sell it and there are certain terms that do just that or at least get more looks at your auction.

Is it misleading to a novice maybe, but to anyone that knows cards it should be obvious.
No its not illegal and many people use these tactics in selling.

People call jersey cards patch cards all the time, it pisses me off alot because patches and autos are the only things I look for mainly, and when a jersey comes up because the seller is a retard, it gets aggarvating

One more insulting remark and I just close this topic. There are Ebay sellers on this board so take that into consideration.

Sweaters? Thats what i like to see on my girl the nice tight kind. When I play HOCKEY I wear my jersey.

Nobody up here refers to them as sweater's, no one that I've met anyways.

http://www.cotla.sd23.bc.ca/images/sweater.jpg

I know that referring to them as 'Sweaters' used to be common place (at least that's the impression I get) but I don't think you'll here anyone under the age of 35 or 40 say that. 'Jersey' is the normal term now.

As for the auction..... like some of the other posters, I get annoyed when I see misleading titles.... but it does sound like he's making it fairly obvious what the car is once you've viewed it. 'Patch' will get you more clicks, so he calls it a Patch. Is it shady? Maybe, but I don't see it as being a lie.

No Bondsaway, I didn't miss the point and I didn't insult the seller.Whether he calls it a sweater patch or a jersey patch the focus is on " patch". If I call an auto'd card a 1/1 and it is #'d 649 of 999 then it is the only one numbered 649 so technically I am correct and if you bid too much well then you are a,in your words, "novice'. That's a great way to bring in new kids to the hobby isn't it. I think you are dead wrong but entitled to your opinion just as everyone else here. If there are ebay sellers on this site who believe such " tactics" justify a sale, please let them come forward so I never have to deal with them. You can look at his listing as erroneous, misleading, or an outright lie. Due to his actual response, I would call it misleading and I wouldn't deal with him.

No Bondsaway, I didn't miss the point and I didn't insult the seller.Whether he calls it a sweater patch or a jersey patch the focus is on " patch". If I call an auto'd card a 1/1 and it is #'d 649 of 999 then it is the only one numbered 649 so technically I am correct and if you bid too much well then you are a,in your words, "novice'. That's a great way to bring in new kids to the hobby isn't it. I think you are dead wrong but entitled to your opinion just as everyone else here. If there are ebay sellers on this site who believe such " tactics" justify a sale, please let them come forward so I never have to deal with them. You can look at his listing as erroneous, misleading, or an outright lie. Due to his actual response, I would call it misleading and I wouldn't deal with him.

Amen.

I informed an Ebay seller that he mistakenly put patch in the title for a SP Game Used jersey card of Dany Heatley. I let him know that the patch cards had a gold background and were numbered and that he was just listing the regular jersey card

his response
In Canada we don't call them jersey's, we call them sweaters, and if someone doesn't know what there looking at when they see my listing I can not be responsible! The listing does not say it is numbered it only states authentic piece of memorablia the scan shows the card very clearly, and indeed there is a sweater patch in this card!


to me this still seems a bit shady, especially it clearly states authentic jersey on the card. What do you guys & girls think?



Sweaters is a very old time reference - see the hockey sweater book above in this thread. Currently, everyone refers to them as jerseys or GU, or, on the odd listing, as relic.

Its hard to call if this is misleading or not. The best way to find out would be to post the link to him as a seller and go back through all his listings. If he ever listed a real patch, how would he describe it? Does he list a lot of hockey cards? If so, how could he not know the common vernacular?

Based on what is on eBay these days and the response, my gut says, the use of the patch is just a shady way to bring in the hits and waste people's time.

Many actual patch cards are mono colour with only differences in texture when compared to the jersey. That means its almost impossible to tell what you might be looking at in a picture. Upper deck's only change to the card might be a background colour. Buyers have to rely on seller's accurate description and the use of a patch here is definitely not accurate.

Everyone here missed the point completely so stop with the insults. If you are an ebay seller you know that "PATCH" is better keyword for searches. He is trying to sell it and there are certain terms that do just that or at least get more looks at your auction.

Is it misleading to a novice maybe, but to anyone that knows cards it should be obvious.
No its not illegal and many people use these tactics in selling.


What about the person selling the card? Shouldn't they know better?

The point is that duwal got a response which sent off alarms in his head because it felt like he was being lied to. But, to assume the best in people (still a good thing to do duwal), he, an American wants some verification from a Canadian as to whether this is true or not. Speaking as one canadian, I don't think it is. I call shenanigans on this seller.

duwal, trying to be a good person, wanted to let the seller know that he might have listed the item wrong. If the seller is listing the word "patch" in the title attract more attention, all they had to do was respond with an honest answer. A fake story didn't need to be invented.

From Wikipedia "A hockey jersey, traditionally called a sweater (due to it originally being made from sweater material, such as wool), is a piece of clothing worn by hockey players to cover the upper part of their bodies."

In fact, Leaf did an insert set called Sweaters which featured a player photo with a close-up of the jersey in the background. The inserts featured the away sweater (dark - at that time) and there was an SP version of the home sweater (white).

I think use the term "jersey" was brought on by Upper Deck in an attempt to acclimate US fans to the sport.

Interesting factoid, also from Wiki: In the short story, The Hockey Sweater, by Roch Carrier, a young hockey fan orders a Canadiens sweater from a catalogue, but receives a Leafs sweater instead, much to his embarrassment and the derision of his friends. A quote from it appears on the Canadian five dollar bill. {is this true?}

Everyone here missed the point completely so stop with the insults. If you are an ebay seller you know that "PATCH" is better keyword for searches. He is trying to sell it and there are certain terms that do just that or at least get more looks at your auction.

Is it misleading to a novice maybe, but to anyone that knows cards it should be obvious.
No its not illegal and many people use these tactics in selling.

You're wrong here. The seller is making excuses, and that's the point. He's knows it's not a patch card and using the word patch in the title is against eBay policy when it's a jersey card. The writing on the back of the card explains that quite clearly. I can't remember the rule he broke, but he broke it.

And the way you support him makes me think you are the seller.:winking0071:

Interesting factoid, also from Wiki: In the short story, The Hockey Sweater, by Roch Carrier, a young hockey fan orders a Canadiens sweater from a catalogue, but receives a Leafs sweater instead, much to his embarrassment and the derision of his friends. A quote from it appears on the Canadian five dollar bill. {is this true?}

You bet it is!
http://www.athabascau.ca/writers/rcarrier.html

Les hivers de mon enfance étaient des saisons longues, longues. Nous vivions en trois lieux: l'école, l'église et la patinoire; mais la vraie vie était sur la patinoire.

The winters of my childhood were long, long seasons. We lived in three places - the school, the church and the skating rink - but our life was on the skating rink.

That's why we get so mad that there aren't more NHL franchises in Canada. Its in our blood, its on our money!

You're wrong here. The seller is making excuses, and that's the point. He's knows it's not a patch card and using the word patch in the title is against eBay policy when it's a jersey card. The writing on the back of the card explains that quite clearly. I can't remember the rule he broke, but he broke it.

And the way you support him makes me think you are the seller.:winking0071:

No I have never sold anything on ebay. but i'm also tired of people jumping on the bandwagon making accusations about not just him but any seller someone has a problem with. No I am not wrong, if I am like someone suggested by all means tell ebay what he is doing. They will yank the auction as I have done that several times. Presuming like you did sholi2000 makes me think well not for me to say on the boards. I just showed not everyone people come across are idiots and liers on ebay because you dislike the way the promoted their auctions.

enuff said

Well, I call it a sweater, but that's neither here nor there.

Misleading keywords, if you ask me. The fact that it's commonplace doesn't make it right. While it is a patch of fabric, "patch" has actual meaning in the card industry now and should be used accordingly.

i call them jerseys

i call them sweaters and i am from canada.

No I have never sold anything on ebay. but i'm also tired of people jumping on the bandwagon making accusations about not just him but any seller someone has a problem with. No I am not wrong, if I am like someone suggested by all means tell ebay what he is doing. They will yank the auction as I have done that several times. Presuming like you did sholi2000 makes me think well not for me to say on the boards. I just showed not everyone people come across are idiots and liers on ebay because you dislike the way the promoted their auctions.

enuff said

And where exactly did you show this? I'm sorry but your still wrong.

You guys are all crazy. I call the woozle wuzzles.

In Montreal they are called Sweaters. Most people from there that I know refer to them as sweaters, but that's only the people age 40+. Usually the younger ones call them jerseys.