Leaf Wrestling Autograph MISSING Any AUTO Authenticity!!!
by, 11-29-2012 at 03:25 AM (15558 Views)
Leaf Wrestling MISSING Any Autograph Authenticity!
THERE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THE NEW LEAF ORIGINALS WRESTLING "AUTOGRAPH" CARDS!
NOT ONE OF THESE CARDS HAS THE AUTOGRAPH AUTHENTICITY STATEMENT THAT IS ON ALL CERTIFIED CARD COMPANY AUTOGRAPHS MADE AFTER 2000- EVEN ON PAST 2012 LEAF AUTOGRAPHS!!!
So far about half of the dealers I ask about this agree that this was a major problem caused by Leaf. These cards don't even have the word: AUTOGRAPH or SIGNATURE printed ANYWHERE ON THESE CARDS, HOW CAN THIS BE??? I think most of the sellers who disagree are simply trying to sell the cards they have left, so of course they refuse to bad mouth what they are selling. My personal morals & integrity are too great to understand this!
We as collectors need to act now & contact firstname.lastname@example.org -the owner of Leaf. You can also go to their web site & click links for Leaf Originals Wrestling to see more details on the specific product I'm talking about here www.leaftradingcards.com .
Brian Gray (Leaf's obnoxious owner) needs to be made aware that he screwed-up BIG TIME because he made Certified Autographs that are useless to true Certified Autograph collectors. To me, as a long time collector of ONLY Certified Autograpghs made by trusted card companies- these Leaf Wrestling autographs are nearly WORTHLESS! They are only worth what a Forensic Document Examiner authenticated autograph is worth. But who is going to spend $25+ to get a $10 autograph authenticated? NO ONE! Luckily I am a Forensic Document Examiner myself, so I have been buying some of these cards (only for $5 average each) to donate to hospitalized children as I do every year since 1989. But to me as a CAI collector- I DO NOT HAVE ANY USE FOR THESE & NEITHER SHOULD YOU!
Let me explain why:
1) If Leaf goes out of business, or bankrupt (they've only been "Leaf" since 2010) do you think that anyone will think these are Certified Autograph Inserts (CAI's) in a year or more when the cards say NOTHING about the autograph on the card? I DON'T THINK SO!
2) If these cards go from the hands of someone who pulled them from a Leaf box that's one thing. But what if they wind up in the hands of a hobby newbie or hobby rookie? They won't have ANY idea where these "autographs" came from and if they are real! THIS IS A MAIN REASON WHY AUTHENTICITY STATEMENTS (OR STAMPS) ARE PUT ON THESE CARDS BY TRUSTWORTHY COMPANIES LIKE TOPPS!
3) There is a reason Leaf did not put the Autograph Authenticity Statement on these cards. We may never know why, but I have my opinion which I have to keep to myself for now. Then there's that odd statement that is on the very low backs of these cards IN SMALL PRINT which is for the licensing of the cards alone. It's like maybe (just a thought) Leaf didn't feel like paying the WWE for licensing rights to the wrestlers names given to them by the WWF/WWE (and is owned by them) so they thought that this statement putting the blame on the wrestlers would work??? That is very suspicious as to what Leaf would do to make money & how little the care about collectors.
I had a run-in with the owner of Leaf a few months back when I was owed a Daryle LaMonica Lombardi Autograph Redemption. Then I get a letter stating that they couldn't get LaMonica so they offered $30.00 worth of replacements. I asked politely for one card instead of a few commons. I also told them I collect 1967 players from SB I. There are DOZENS of these players in the Lombardi Set- so why didn't he send me one of those??? Then I was forwarded to Brian Gray.
After explaining to him about my physical disabilities (MD & MS+++), my charity work and my fighting hobby fraud all for free he sends me three COMMON NFL Draft RC's- exactly what I didn't want!!! If he was a jerk right off the bat that's one thing, but he made me believe that he was listening to me and stated he was going to take care of me & HE DID NOT! This made me decide to NEVER send a redemption to Leaf again!
When I blasted Brian Gray the moment I found out about these Leaf Wrestling screwed-up cards I told him & he threatened to sue me??? So I cannot do anything to help- IT'S UP TO YOU NOW! These could have been the HOTTEST Certified Autographs of 2012 IF THEY WERE CERTIFIED!!!
If you as a collector do not fight for your rights, then this hobby will continue to get worse until it's gone! I care more about the young collectors than ANYTHING & no one else seems to care about them anymore.
SO FIGHT LEAF FOR THEM TO OFFER CERTIFICATION FOR THESE LEAF WRESTLING CARDS!
They have a program called Leaf Authenticated already in place where they put matching serial numbered holograms on the autograph card & a separate COA card. If they do this to these UNAUTHENTICATED Wrestling cards if we request it, then the cards we get back will be worth drastically more! Most of these autographs can be had for $3.00-$6.00 now. Even Hulk Hogan can be found for $50.00-$60.00 (far less than ANY Certified Hulk Autographs)!
I RETURNED A HULK HOGAN I WON FOR $59 & IT WAS SERIAL #01/50!!! I ALSO WON A HOT BOX (WITH FIVE #'ED AUTOS PER BOX) FOR $83 WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE $179.00. I RETURNED THAT TOO!
Now regular boxes of (5) autographs can easily be had for $50.00 (they were $79.00). This is because of what I did tewlling the hobby the truth about these cards and all the collectyors who found this out themselves, often the HARD way!
Good luck & FIGHT ON!
I have been a Certified Autograph Insert expert since the mid-1990's. I interned with a famous Forensic Document Examiner for over 200-hours in 1999 & bustyed the largest forgery ring EVER on eBay soon after. I LOVE THIS HOBBY WHICH IS WHY I FIGHT SO HARD FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT FIGHT!
I either learn everything there is to know about something I want to get involved in- or I don't do it at all. As a collector, I started in general in 1987 at age 20. I was inspired by former NY Met & HOF'er Gary Carter to donate all the profit I could have made from this hobby to hospitalized children every year from 1989-2011 (so far). So I have a unique situation where nothing I've EVER done in this hobby was for personal gain in any way shape or form. 99%+ of what I ever bought on eBay was to donate in December of each year. I worked very hard to help all collectors & investigated just about every hobby rumor you could mention. I found the truth and exposed it. I caused two BIG card companies to lose their baseball licenses for fraud which banrupted both companies. I've done freelance writing for many hobby publications. I've also had dozens of stories done in hobby publications about my donations and one about the start of my 1997 web site when I fought the Score Board bankruptcy trying to save collector's redemptions. Fleer read my site and were very nice to donate 5,000 autographs to those who could prove they were owed autographs.
I am now 45 and am in severe pain 24/7 from ruptured disks in my low back & neck w/awful nerve damage. I rarely can walk just a short ways and am bed-ridden most of the time. Because I have MD (Muscular Dystrophy) & MS (Multiple Sclerosis) symptoms I cannot have any type of surgery, the anesthesia would kill me. As long as I can type I'm here for anyone who has any questions. email@example.com