Secession petitions filed in 20 states

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Originally Posted by JustAlex

What a sorry bunch of sore losers.

Where was the outrage by blue states when Bush was re-elected in 2004???

BTW, both times that Bush won, he did so by a VERY small margin compared to the overwhelming margins that Obama has won his 2 elections!

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Guess I am one of those "sore losers" b/c I live in North Carolina who is a state that some are getting people to sign the petition. I voted this year and actually wrote my own name in for the President. So I guess people will look at me different and say something about me b/c I didn't vote for Romney or Obama. I could care less!

Am I disappointed Obama won, yes. Thats my opininon.

While I have not signed the petition, I do not see a problem with any of this. Do I agree 100% with what they are saying? No, but do I think that our country is going into more of a Socialist type government, yes. But that is my opinion and I don't care what anyone else says. I am 1 credit short of having a history degree and I have studied the history of politics and general American History and things are eerily similiar from when the Civil War happened.

If someone wants to put their time and effort into this petition. Fine by me, it doesn't bother me b/c they have not threatened me to sign up. It is voluntarily and up to that person.

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Originally Posted by pghin08

Has this ever happened to you?

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Not that I am aware of, but do you think there is anything from stopping it?

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Originally Posted by Wickabee

Did that guy actually go to jail for the video?

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One year sentence for a "probation violation".

However, the MSM ignored this story:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...-That-Did-This

Speaking to the "Lars Larson Show," father of Seal Tyrone Woods -- who died defending the consulate and Benghazi -- told about his experience of meeting the President and Secretary Clinton at the memorial service for the fallen a few days after the attack. Charles Woods said that the President "couldn't look me in the eye" and "mumbled" an "I'm sorry" but that it didn't seem "genuine". He said the same of Secretary Clinton and that Clinton assured him that they were going to "arrest and prosecute" the man that made the scapegoated youtube video critical of Islam.

At least it shows knowledge of the process.

ugh. ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by tpeichel

Not that I am aware of, but do you think there is anything from stopping it?

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Well I think due process would stop it...
You have the same worry with hackers as you do of the government.

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Originally Posted by MadMan1978

Well I think due process would stop it...
You have the same worry with hackers as you do of the government.

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Really? Not according to these former NSA officials. This is what big government has become. Do not be surprised when true patriots rebel against the same type oftyranny that led to the formation of this country. Connect the dots and you'll see that once they have this database and software in place, they can ferret out the threats and take action. It's no small task to add a "dangerous" citizen to the terrorist "kill list" and then it's a simple matter of arming the drones that are currently patrolling the skies across the U.S and eliminating the threat.

Far-fetched? Absolutely. But who would have guessed in 2012 that the government would be gathering a huge database on each citizen. (Maybe this post will make it into my personal dossier one day.) Who would have guessed that the President would have a "kill list" for U.S. citizens that would circumvent their due process? Who would have thoughts we would drones patrolling the skies across the U.S.?


http://gigaom.com/cloud/does-the-nsa...-you-probably/

People who don’t like the idea of Google photographing their homes — and sniffing their wifi– will really hate this: The National Security Agency is compiling huge dockets of information on citizens including email and cell phone conversations, according to former NSA officials.


http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2...pg?w=300&h=300

Instead of government investigators figuring out which potential terrorists to investigate, the NSA technology will enable the automatic collection, search, and analysis of cell phone conversations and email of everyone. The tools then flag which people to watch, according to the former NSA hands.
William Binney, Thomas Drake, and Kirk Wiebe appeared Monday night on Current TV’s Viewpoint to discuss the NSA program with host Eliot Spitzer, the former New York State Attorney General. What was new to me — news of the eavesdropping program started breaking in 2005 — was their contention that the effort, which started after 9/11, will use tools developed under the Obama Administration’s Big Data initiative to increase the scope of government’s view into our lives. The technology will automate the process of sorting through all that data to determine — without human intervention — who is a threat.
They allege that the government is building a dossier on every citizen from that data — which will be stored in the secret Bluffdale, Utah data center. Software can then be run against that data to construct timelines about an individual’s personal life and a map of their social and business connections. Bluffdale, Binney said, will be able to store 100 years worth of the worlds’ electronic communication. “They’re accumulating [data] against everyone,” he told Spitzer. The website Technically Personal ran a good report on the show.
For the record, Binney, Drake, and Wiebe were investigated as possible leaks when the New York Times started breaking the news of massive government snooping on citizens back in 2005, and are now providing evidence for an Electronic Freedom Foundation lawsuit against the NSA.
There’s more unsettling news on this government spying front in Adam Liptak’s New York Times story about court-approved electronic surveillance. Liptak cites the concerns of Houston Judge Stephen W. Smith about the secretive nature of this information-gathering effort. Update: (Late last week, an NSA official acknowledged in a letter to a U.S. congressman, that the U.S. intelligence agencies had violated citizens’ Fourth Amendment rights at least once.)
“Courts do things in public,” Smith told Liptak. “That’s the way we maintain our legitimacy. As citizens, we need to know how law enforcement is using this power.”
But in an article Smith wrote for The Harvard Law & Policy Review, he said that court orders relating to surveillance might as well be “written in invisible ink.”
But at least in those situations, there is a court order. It looks like when it comes to the government collecting data on us, no court order is necessary at all.

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Originally Posted by Wickabee

Did that guy actually go to jail for the video?

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Yeah.... Here is a link to a story... Although I don't know how much of a reputation this site has but here it is;

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...es-to-jail.htm

Sorry, I realized someone had already posted a link with the story. I had just read the post/question and linked an article.

Hmmm it says he went to jail for something unrelated but I shouldn't believe that it was unrelated. Then it doesn't say what the actual charge was or anything else, just a bunch of "Obama sucks".

I'd like to know what the charge was at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Wickabee

Hmmm it says he went to jail for something unrelated but I shouldn't believe that it was unrelated. Then it doesn't say what the actual charge was or anything else, just a bunch of "Obama sucks".

I'd like to know what the charge was at the very least.

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Why does that matter when a grieving father is told by the Secretary of State that the man responsible for her son's death (the director of the video) is going to be punished and sent to jail? Doesn't that make it pretty obvious that his sentence had nothing to do with parole violations? Unless you think the seal's father is lying?