The bible - fact or fiction???

**AUTaxMan** · 05-04-2011, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post

What are they talking about here?

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Please stop pulling old Mosaic law out of the Bible and insinuating that it is was Christianity teaches. Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?

**AUTaxMan** · 05-04-2011, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Star_Cards View Post

I by no means want to stick up for Islam or any religion for that matter, but I find this post is a bit hypocritical. Most of the biblical passages posted by non believers in this thread has been said to have been taken out of context or wasn't meant to be translated literally. How do we know that these aren't as well?

I won't say that there's not some very disturbing text that you posted above, but I'd think that is one religious man request full context of his religious text he would respect that of another religion.

Read the article I posted. It seems pretty convincing to me.

**Star_Cards** · 05-04-2011, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post

What are they talking about here?

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

seems like these texts have the same basic ideal as the posted texts from the koran. At least in my opinion.

**mrveggieman** · 05-04-2011, 02:13 PM

Cruelty and Violence in the Bible

For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast.--Ex.12:12
The God of the Old Testament has got to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous, and proud of it, petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist. -- Richard Dawkins, The Root of All Evil?

Genesis
Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8
"I will destroy ... both man and beast."
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
"Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
"All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household because the Pharaoh believed Abram's lie. 12:17
God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6
"I will not destroy it for ten's sake."
I guess God couldn't find even ten good Sodomites because he decides to kill them all in Genesis 19. Too bad Abraham didn't ask God about the children. Why not save them? If Abraham could find 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or babies, would God spare the city? Apparently not. God doesn't give a damn about children. 18:32
Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "™™™™™™ daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

You see I can pick and chose verses of scripture to disprove the bible too. Does it serve a purpose no, I just want to show that the bible can be misquoted just like the Koran.

**Star_Cards** · 05-04-2011, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by AUTaxMan View Post

Please stop pulling old Mosaic law out of the Bible and insinuating that it is was Christianity teaches. Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?

Isn't this what SanFran has done to Islam? In my opinion Habs is simply stating that both Islam and Christianity have some very harsh entries speaking of how people of different religions should be handled. If you can say that this is not the teaching of Christianity today why can't the same be said for Islam?

**Star_Cards** · 05-04-2011, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post

You are such a hyprocrit. You just insulted Islam three or four posts back and have the nerve to post this comment.

this thread has taken quite an ironic turn if you ask me.

**AUTaxMan** · 05-04-2011, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Star_Cards View Post

Isn't this what SanFran has done to Islam? In my opinion Habs is simply stating that both Islam and Christianity have some very harsh entries speaking of how people of different religions should be handled. If you can say that this is not the teaching of Christianity today why can't the same be said for Islam?

I invite you to find me something that refutes it. Did you read the article I posted above?